Kain

[Dark_God_Anubis]

How long was Kain Dead for b4 mortanuis brought him back as a vampire i know that the guy that wouldnt give him ale in the start of BO1 ws still there so less that a life time obviously but my point is that since Ariel was killed Kain became the balance gaurdian ok fine but when he was killed why wasnt a new gaurdian chosen.... And could Ariel still be the balance gaurdian since she is still at the pillars, could it all have been organised simply to destroyed the vampires in Nosgoth ,Why is it that Raziel is able to change to the spectral realm yes yes the shift glyph ok yes but where did he get that from?????

[SherlokHolms]

hello

I did not understand your question about Kain , Ariel (with my bad English) But I can say an answer for the last your question.

Raziel from the Spirit Forge .

[hippiechk]

Um, I could be wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that Kain was made a vampire 500 years later? I dunno.

And yes, I do believe that Ariel is still the Balance Guardian, and not Kain. He will not be the Balance Guardian until Ariel's soul is freed. Hopefully we'll find out exactly how in Defiance. There is a very indepth theory about this on the gfaqs boards that Zenith is currently working on (again) with feedback from me and a few others. It's a very interesting read (go to the Defiance board and look for the topic "Question for Zenith").

[garbagefanuk]

It wasn't 500 years later. Was at most a few months, he was raised to take vengeance on the brigands who attacked and killed him. He was dead long enough to be buried because when he was raised he came from his tomb. Then he went for his vengeance.

But i disagree with Hippiechk on wether Ariel is still balance. When the guardian of the pillar dies the pillar chooses a new guardian instantly from birth and so when Kain refused to kill himself he corrupted the pillar of balance as he was the balance guardian. If he chose not to and Ariel was still balance guardian the pillar wouldn't have corrupted

[Dark_God_Anubis]

If Kain was dead long enough to be buried why wasnt there a new balance gaurdian chosen...... Im not sure what the times are but when was human raziel burn? or perhapps Turel?

[Dark_God_Anubis]

thats meant to to "Born" not "Burn"
QUESTION heheehe Could Ariel be Raziels Mother????? make things more interesting???

[warpsavant]

No. Ariel is not Raziels mother.

Ariel is not the Balance Guardian, she freakin died, and a new one was picked. His name is Kain.

Kain was dead for 4 days. When you wake up as the vampire Kain after getting killed by the brigands its day 4.

When Kain dies, the Pillars are corrupted, and incapable of picking a new guardian until the other 8 have all been killed. Kain is raised as a vampire by Mortanius before the circle could be cleansed(i.e all killed), and so Kain is still the Balance Guardian.

[Dark_God_Anubis]

B4 Ariel died it could be possible

[warpsavant]

No. It's not possible.

[garbagefanuk]

No Raziel died about 500 years before Kain was born.

[Azazel]

Ariel was born at the same day Raziel died.

[NoobSaibot]

Originally posted by Azazel
Ariel was born at the same day Raziel died.

Thats actually true because the wraithe raziel killed his human form brothers and himself at the same time Voridor assalted the circle for janos's murder. Ariel would then have been born to take the her place at that exact moment.

[LOKFan]

Originally posted by Dark_God_Anubis
Why is it that Raziel is able to change to the spectral realm yes yes the shift glyph ok yes but where did he get that from?????

Just ignore the shift glyph.

Raziel, when he stands on a shift portal, can will himself into Material Realm and gather matter around his spectral form to sustain himself in the Material Realm. This matter, however, decays over time.

When he is in the Material Realm, he can release this matter and be forced back into the Spectral Realm.

You can see this matter whenever you shift from either realm.

[Dark_God_Anubis]

Someone said that Ariel was born the day Raziel died doesnt that sound kinda odd... this sounds stupid but it almost sounds like Raziel was balance guardian when he was sarafan and when he was killed Ariel was born a balance guardian.... and with Ariel being Raziel mother forget the time thing of when she was born and so forth since Mobius was a member of the circle he could have taken baby raziel from her and sent him back though time

[Azazel]

Ariel was born when Vorador murdered the balance guardian (the one before Ariel).
Raziel killed his former self on that same day.

[garbagefanuk]

In SR2 you can actually hear Vorador assault the circle and kill 6 of the members. So Ariel is born about 15-20 minutes before Raziel dies. Which means Raziel isn't the Balance guardian, if he was he would have died in the circle chambers when Vorador attacked.

[Don don]

At the 1st checkppoint, or what, 9 days are written.

The Balance Pillar chose Kain for guardian when Ariel was killed.

[Don don]

Excuse me, 4 days

[Johnny_anoniem]

I don't get this anymore... Why did Vorador kill the 6 circle members? Someone stated that he did this because they killed Janos, but why would they kill Janos if they're not yet corrupted (they get corrupted when Ariel is murdered, because after this the psycho shock wave is released)??? I was thinking about this: The circle just kills Janos, because of the Vampire Purges started by Moebius?? If this is true, then why is Moebius evil while he isn't yet corrupted?? Or if this isn't true: Why would they kill an "innocent" vampire like Janos??

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by Johnny_anoniem
I don't get this anymore... Why did Vorador kill the 6 circle members? Someone stated that he did this because they killed Janos, but why would they kill Janos if they're not yet corrupted (they get corrupted when Ariel is murdered, because after this the psycho shock wave is released)??? I was thinking about this: The circle just kills Janos, because of the Vampire Purges started by Moebius?? If this is true, then why is Moebius evil while he isn't yet corrupted?? Or if this isn't true: Why would they kill an "innocent" vampire like Janos??

Vorador killed the six Circle members because it was the Circle of Nine who created the Sarafan, and the Sarafan who were responsible for the Vampire Purges and the death of Janos Audron. If you remember, Moebius, Malek and Mortanius were the three that *conveniently* weren't around to fall victim themselves.

Also, you seem to be confusing the corrupted Guardians with the Guardians Vorador slaughtered. (They are different groups of people, with the exception of the three I mentioned by name).

The reason for the Vampire Purges hasn't been fully disclosed at this point, and a few of us have contested how *innocent* Janos actually is.

[Nelo]

Well Malek did not live long after that he was punished by the circle.

But it is funny that the 3 survived, moe planned it in my opinion, perhaps the outhers gardians were not evil like moe and possable mort, i think moe planned it to have it where the new batch of gardians would be easy to minepulate as they would respect the sinour gardians.

So i bet moe started the brain washing at the time they became members of the circle.

[Lozza Mate]

Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen

The reason for the Vampire Purges hasn't been fully disclosed at this point, and a few of us have contested how *innocent* Janos actually is.

It's been mentioned a few times now that the reason the vampire purges began was simply because the vampire population was increasing too quickly. The saraphan were needed to control this exponential growth.

[Lozza Mate]

btw, it looks like the elder god gave raziel the shift glyph. Defiance shows that he has taken it away for being dissobediant (but that won't hold back our blue buddy.).

[Johnny_anoniem]

You were right Umah Blood Omen, I forgot the fact that the Guardians that were killed by Vorador where the guardians of a generation before the guardians that got corrupted. Thank you for helping me to get rid of that confusion . I guess this leaves us with one important question: Why is Moebius evil and what's the true story of Janos....but let's hope we find an answer to that in Defiance

[Jashugan]

I can't believe no one has contested this yet, Ariel was not born on the same day that Sarafan Raziel was killed. That was 500 years before BO1. So unless Ariel was about 470 years old when she was killed, that theory just doesn't work.