Harley Quinn Arkham City Action Figure

[The Batfan]

Check it out guys:


http://comics.ign.com/dor/objects/74...page=mediaFull

[Joseph Kerstein]

Originally Posted by The Batfan

Check it out guys:


http://comics.ign.com/dor/objects/74...page=mediaFull

Very cool. Also...


http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/im...4045224920.jpg

Want? I think I do... @_@

[SirRoscoe]

Theres also a Two-Face figure shown off http://toyfair2011.figures.com/showp...legacy&cat=613

[JackWinz]

I cannot get over how TERRIBLE this figure really is.. it's a shame because the sculpt is fantastic.

[Turn and Face the Strange]

Originally Posted by JackWinz

I cannot get over how TERRIBLE this figure really is.. it's a shame because the sculpt is fantastic.

First off, why's it blue? The in-game costume is black (yes, in a handful of scenes it looks blue, but (unless your monitor is messed up) the rest of the time it's pitch-black).

And even if they decided to go with the blue colour instead, why include a black cape instead of a blue one to match everything else?

[T-Perry]

Originally Posted by Turn and Face the Strange

First off, why's it blue? The in-game costume is black (yes, in a handful of scenes it looks blue, but (unless your monitor is messed up) the rest of the time it's pitch-black).

And even if they decided to go with the blue colour instead, why include a black cape instead of a blue one to match everything else?

First off, The in-game Costume is dark blue and grey. (yes a handful of scenes it looks black because of the dark lighting, but it is actually a dark blue. Many have confused this.)

Second, I have the figure, and the sculpt is FAR from fantastic. Even though it is about 20 times better than mattels piss poor Arkham City Batman. Compared to what it should look like, It isnt up to par. Its not the paint job that ruins it (even though it is VERY bad)

They went with the black cape to give the illusion of the different materials. They failed on that illusion though. I agree DCD should have went with either all black or blue. There wasnt that much of a noticeable difference between the cape and cowl in the game.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

um yeah the suit is black...even IF its blue its NOT that ugly

[JackWinz]

I could deal with it if the whole thing was blue, (I'd rather all black)
but seeing it halfway like that makes it look like some kind of knock-off toy.

[gotham_knight_lives]

Originally Posted by JackWinz

I could deal with it if the whole thing was blue, (I'd rather all black)
but seeing it halfway like that makes it look like some kind of knock-off toy.

I couldn't agree more. It pretty much is a knock off since they basically ignored certain vital details of how he was really represented in the game.

[JackWinz]

Look at those lips.. uuurhhhgghghgh.....

[Matches Malone]

I find that there really isn't a good answer to this debate. There are images where he could be either one, lighting could be the factor on either color.
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&s...=1920&bih=1017
The only way to tell for sure would be to open up the game's character texture in photoshop and get a color sample.

[JackWinz]

The point is, he was never obviously black and blue, not like that, depending on the light, it was one way or another. (And it was never blue like that)
Whoever designed this figure has some asplainin to do.

Hopefully we'll get a kickass figure for Arkham City.

[T-Perry]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

I find that there really isn't a good answer to this debate. There are images where he could be either one, lighting could be the factor on either color.
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&s...=1920&bih=1017
The only way to tell for sure would be to open up the game's character texture in photoshop and get a color sample.

Well the thing is, he cant be either one.. if he ever APPEARS blue in a shot, then the cape/cowl can not be black. Ya see what I mean. In any screenshot, if the costume was black, it would appear black or more grey as light hit it, no matter how intense the light source. Black cant magically change to dark Blue in any light. The only way that is possible is if its a hard blue light, but then everything on him and everything he is around would have to be blue because of the light.

This is the answer: The costume is Dark Blue and grey. It APPEARS black because the majority of the game is spent in dark areas. In any well lit situation you can turn the character model and see that the cape and cowl Isnt black, due to the contrast between the Bat Emblem (which is black) and the rest. I have many many pictures to prove this.

Also Gotham_Knight, I never disagreed about the gauntlets being metallic. They are, But they are certaintly NOT silver haha... your perception of color is off if you think they are silver, so theres no use in debating with you to begin with.

I agree with Jack Winz though, the thing is people seem to think its black. its not black, but again its NOT vivid blue. its a very muted dark blue. Like Ive said tiem and time again, Black can not be blue without actually being blue... so in turn, the costume is blue. Simple logic really I have many people who agree with me to boot, So I wouldnt say Im in the minority.

[gotham_knight_lives]

Originally Posted by T-Perry

Well the thing is, he cant be either one.. if he ever APPEARS blue in a shot, then the cape/cowl can not be black. Ya see what I mean. In any screenshot, if the costume was black, it would appear black or more grey as light hit it, no matter how intense the light source. Black cant magically change to dark Blue in any light. The only way that is possible is if its a hard blue light, but then everything on him and everything he is around would have to be blue because of the light.

This is the answer: The costume is Dark Blue and grey. It APPEARS black because the majority of the game is spent in dark areas. In any well lit situation you can turn the character model and see that the cape and cowl Isnt black, due to the contrast between the Bat Emblem (which is black) and the rest. I have many many pictures to prove this.

Also Gotham_Knight, I never disagreed about the gauntlets being metallic. They are, But they are certaintly NOT silver haha... your perception of color is off if you think they are silver, so theres no use in debating with you to begin with.

I agree with Jack Winz though, the thing is people seem to think its black. its not black, but again its NOT vivid blue. its a very muted dark blue. Like Ive said tiem and time again, Black can not be blue without actually being blue... so in turn, the costume is blue. Simple logic really I have many people who agree with me to boot, So I wouldnt say Im in the minority.

Whatever, I'm not trying to be technical, and I'm not sitting over here with a colour wheel.I was pointing out the fact that there is nothing blue about the gauntlets, boots, or trunks. Fact is there is plenty of points throughout the game where there is zero blue tint what so ever, so your arguement that he is blue 100% is moot.

You really didn't like me questioning you earlier, don't you? Seems you have a little bee in your bonnet.

[Matches Malone]

Originally Posted by gotham_knight_lives

so your arguement that he is blue 100% is moot.

Its really not. Look at this photo for example. Its not like there is a blue spot light on him. The lighting and room around Batman is mostly very warm, which doesn't create cool colors like blue, yet Batman's cape & cowl are indisputably blue.

I'm standing by my statement about black base with blue specularity.

[The Hylden]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

I find that there really isn't a good answer to this debate. There are images where he could be either one, lighting could be the factor on either color.
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&s...=1920&bih=1017
The only way to tell for sure would be to open up the game's character texture in photoshop and get a color sample.

Hey, T-Perry, reminds you of the good ol' days, doesn't it?

We had this debate in vivid detail the last time the action figures for the first game were shown (which were just as badly done).

You can view that all here:
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthr...n+color&page=3

As for Matches' statement: already took the textures and did that in that thread, but here they are again:









The only difference in two of these is one's from a cleaner Batman and he gets dirtier as the game goes along, so the other reflects that. It's basically three textures that meld into one for the body sections and also the face and cowl sections, shown below.







This one I will show with the color swath to note that yes, there is a very, very dark blue-gray in the cowl. You can see it's in the other sections also. However, the other textures darken it even further to wind up a very dark gray, most of the time.





This is under texture map for the cape. The funny thing is, it's a very dark gray up top, to near 100% black down below. There's no blue in it, and also, you can't change the color of it. I think it only works to darken the cape, actually. To change the color, you have to use this map:



This only, however, changes the sheen color of it. So, you can have the cape reflect any color at all by changing this to whatever color, but the first layer always darkens it greatly, if there's no light hitting it. However, there's no blue in either texture. How it reflects both blue and green in the game, or red, or yellow, is all dependent on the light hitting it. In the shot Matches showed where he's transporting Joker, there is white, or bluish light from the monitors up above in the elevator hitting both Batman and the joker. That's why it has the sheen it does.

So, in actuality, there's a little very, very dark blue in Batman's cowl, in one if the layers, but it's darkened to very dark gray by the other two textures and only ever shows up if cool light sources hit it, while the cape is purely dark gray with a little lighter gray specks in the sheen portion that reflect any source of light.

At the end of the day, the action figure, as we've all noted, is simply too extreme from the game's version. Batman never has that vivid a blue in him in any texture, or color. They do go way overboard in the difference of Bat's cape and cowl. I have no idea what they were thinking when they went to paint the thing.

[T-Perry]

Originally Posted by The Hylden

Hey, T-Perry, reminds you of the good ol' days, doesn't it?

We had this debate in vivid detail the last time the action figures for the first game were shown (which were just as badly done).

The only difference in two of these is one's from a cleaner Batman and he gets dirtier as the game goes along, so the other reflects that. It's basically three textures that meld into one for the body sections and also the face and cowl sections, shown below.

This one I will show with the color swath to note that yes, there is a very, very dark blue-gray in the cowl. You can see it's in the other sections also. However, the other textures darken it even further to wind up a very dark gray, most of the time.

At the end of the day, the action figure, as we've all noted, is simply too extreme from the game's version. Batman never has that vivid a blue in him in any texture, or color. They do go way overboard in the difference of Bat's cape and cowl. I have no idea what they were thinking when they went to paint the thing.

Well thats all Ive ever been trying to say haha... that the cape/cowl and such, aren't black. They are an extremely dark blue. Even if it looks more greyish than blue.. there is still a tint of blue, Making it blue. Like Ive said before, the only black thats on his costume is the Bat Emblem. Many people just go on that its either just straight black (which its not) or blue. It looks blue through out the game in various different light sources, so I can see why DC wanted to paint it blue.. he figure, if seen in the dark, Isnt AS bad. It looks similar to how he appeared in the game if displayed in natural warm room light.

That picture in this thread of the figure just reveal its true paintjob because of the intensity of the flash, making the figure look fugly as hell. Either way, the blue should have been darkened, but not to black.

Now with Mattels figure you can obviously see how ty and quite inaccurate it looks compared to the screenshots of Arkham City we've seen and Everything in AA. there NEEDS to be some kind of blue in the paint job. There needs to be slight highlights of blue/Blue-Grey. Having the figure molded in Black and Grey just looks UGLY, cheap and inaccurate. Not to mention Mattels sculpt *** SUCKS. At least DC Direct is on the right track even though they went overboard on the blue.

[Matches Malone]

It is possible for it to be both. The base color may be black but with 3d materials you can change the specular color, which basically allows you to change the way the material reflects light. So the specular color could be deep blue while the base color is black.

[gotham_knight_lives]

Yes, I can see. I was just stating that there is also numerous times throught the game where there is not even a single hint of blue either. As can be seen in the picture someone posted earlier. I would not deny that he does look blue at points in the game, but there are also many times where there is no trace of a blue colour at all. Making his claim that he can only be blue, moot.

[Matches Malone]

Its not though. He makes a valid point. Dark blue is easily mistaken for black until you put a lot of light on it. And just like in the image above if his cape and cowl were in fact all black then it wouldn't look blue when there is nothing blue for it to reflect.

His argument has no less weight than yours does. So lets just accept that I'm the one that's right and move on LOL.

[gotham_knight_lives]

I'm not claiming that his arguement holds any less weight than mine, I am just stating that it's still debatable. There is plenty of times when there is enough light on the suit where you can't get a feeling of there being any blue either. I am not even saying that he is black.

To me, it appears as if the suit might consist of different layers of colours, where some stand out more in certain lightings and settings. If this were the case, then both arguements could be correct.

[Matches Malone]

Originally Posted by gotham_knight_lives

I'm not claiming that his arguement holds any less weight than mine, I am just stating that it's still debatable.

You aren't? You seemed to suggest that earlier.

Originally Posted by gotham_knight_lives

so your arguement that he is blue 100% is moot.

Originally Posted by gotham_knight_lives

To me, it appears as if the suit might consist of different layers of colours, where some stand out more in certain lightings and settings. If this were the case, then both arguements could be correct.

Haha, no that means I'm right

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

It is possible for it to be both. The base color may be black but with 3d materials you can change the specular color, which basically allows you to change the way the material reflects light. So the specular color could be deep blue while the base color is black.

[gotham_knight_lives]

Originally Posted by Matches Malone

Haha, no that means I'm right

Haha my mistake, you're right then. I saw a picture of a batman arkham city figure earlier... Have you seen anything like this as well? To me, it doesn't look like anything special.

[Matches Malone]

No I have not?? Where is this?!

[gotham_knight_lives]

http://toyfair2011.figures.com/showp...legacy&cat=613

Would this just be custom made do you think, or could that be official?