Batman VS Spider-Man... Again

[DarkKnightReturns]

Hey there, well, while awaiting the release of the second game, I was reminded of an old topic I brought up a long time ago about Batman and Spider-Man, and that was more about which one people liked better... http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=88194

Now, recently, I was inspired to write a fan fiction by a topic on a different forum which is more about which of them would beat the other in a fight. The writer of the article that spawned this discussion wrote a scenario in which Batman was the victor, but the replies on the forum were largely supportive of Spider-Man.

http://www.mania.com/spiderman-vs-batman_article_118074.html

As I theorized in one of my older topics, Spider-Man fans usually hate Batman and vice versa, and thus aren't interested enough in the characters to properly understand them and exactly what they're capable of. One particular poster in that topic, this poor guy savagelee, was out on a limb for being one of the only avid supporters of Batman. Assuming this is a forum where most people would favor Batman and expect him to win, I'm interested in hearing your opinions, and how you think he would win.

All this conversation inspired me to write a fan fic where the two do battle, and the reader gets to select who they want to win, since, in my opinion, it's a pretty close fight. I mean, looking at it, Batman is one of DC's best, and Spider-Man is one of Marvel's best, both have completely beaten almost everyone they have ever encountered in their respective universes. Some might say it's largely thanks to their iconic status as popular characters, but thinking about it enough I think their capabilities go hand in hand with it. I think a fight between the two would be really exciting, maybe among the best in comic books, IMO anyhow. Since neither of them kill it wouldn't be a fight to the death, but I'd try my best to make it both brutal and exciting. To anyone who's interested in reading it, let me know and I'll put it up when it's done. Anyhow, I'd like to hear your thoughts on the matter.

[LIGHTS]

Bats will beat up Spidey. :)

[King Con G 88]

Im a huuuge fan of both!!I always found them the most human of the DC and Marvel franchise heroes, (granted i know Spiderman has super powers and Batman doesnt) but what i mean is their personal lives,the way Peter Parker has so many demons,but has all aspects of his life to juggle, and like wise with batman...and i would very much be ineterested in reading your fan fic by the by!! i honestly couldnt give an opinion on who should beat who given that i love these characters so much! In my opinion the ending should be that they have both beaten eachother up greatly, and as they both rise to their feet they hear/see a news report of a huge attack in their location, so they're at a cross roads, continue their fight or attempt to save the people but ultimately fail given that they exhausted themselves on fighting eachother and....YEAH I KNOW ITS A LAME IDEA BUT I DONT WANT MY FAVORITE HEROES TO FIGHT! lol...

[We Are The Archers]

If Batman can beat Superman, Spidey has no chance (though, Spider-man might just be my second favorite hero ever.)

[Riddler's Rampage]

If I chose, then i would choose Batman to win becase he's Batman. But who would win in reality? (superhero reality that is) I have no idea. Batman could sneak up on him but then there are the spidey senses spidey has. Hand to hand (no gadgets or webs) i think Batman would win. I like both heros though. I just like Batman better.

[Wooba]

Well I'm a fan of them both, and although I don't read Batman comics, I'm aware of his capabilities and his general story. While I couldn't really see why they would fight, other than perhaps some sort of misunderstanding.

Their abilities would render eachother mostly ineffective. Batman couldn't sneak up on Spider-Man or try to get the drop on him, due to Spider-Man's "Spider Sense" and Spider-Man's webbing would easily be destroyed by Batman with his many tools. If they had multiple enocunters, then they could prepare for the next one, but I can't really see it being horribly interesting to be honest.

Unless of course spider-Man were in his Man Spider stages, as seen in the Animated 90's series.

[The Hylden]

If I chose, then i would choose Batman to win becase he's Batman. But who would win in reality? (superhero reality that is) I have no idea. Batman could sneak up on him but then there are the spidey senses spidey has. Hand to hand (no gadgets or webs) i think Batman would win. I like both heros though. I just like Batman better.

Hand-to-hand, no gadgets, Spiderman wins. Spiderman has super strength, able to lift a car over his head, can leap like 20 feet into the air. Batman may have trained to the peak of human conditioning, but he can't do that. Spiderman also has super reflexes and an edge on speed.

With gadgets, it would be a crap-shoot. Whichever writer decided to make whomever win that day:p Just because Batman has sort of bested Superman with a krypto ring and another non-cannon story in another universe, doesn't mean he really beat Superman one-on-one. Not knowing Spidey's weaknesses, of course he can't just go in there and win the day on him.

Alas, these threads...

[batmanboy11]

If Batman can beat Superman, Spidey has no chance

:thumb:

[PS3/PSPGamer7]

LOL at that link you showed us, very biased IMO. Spidey can take more than two punches. It would not be over that fast. That being said though I am a huge Spidey fan, more so than Batman, but I have no idea who would win tbh. I love both these characters though

[Drazar]

If Batman can beat Superman, Spidey has no chance (though, Spider-man might just be my second favorite hero ever.)

But he can't. Not alone at all.

Batman and Spider-man have clashed like 1-3 times and it's always been like this:

Batman: I dont want your help
*Spider-Man does some attack*
Batman: Okay okay, lets not waste our time. Lets go.

Spider-Man has more endurance because of his powers, so he'd last far longer, but the guy is extremely depended on his web shooters which can run out as much as Batman with his equipment, but if were talking about pure endurance, then Spidey wins.

[Velderik]

Edited version

Spider-man is one of the most unimaginative heroes ever created....
Just give me plain old Batman, who will kick his spidey-ass every day.

The heroes in the spider-man series are so unoriginal: The green goblin, venom, doctor octopus, lizard, .... Batman's villains kick their asses, long live Joker, Freeze, Bane, ...!

I'm not saying that Batman is the best character ever created, or something like that, because a lot of other characters beat him with great ease, like Kratos from God of War.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

If we had Bale Vs Magurie i'd go with Bale, not sure bout the comics, but just because spyder man can lift a car dont mean he could beat Batman, i mean Batman took on Darkseid

[Drazar]

i mean Batman took on Darkseid

The only thing Batman did was shoot him with a gun to weaken him for the other heroes and he died doing so. Thats hardly implying that Batman actually could defeat the God. He simply used the same bullet Darkseid used and broke his rule to help the other heroes kill the god of evil.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

The only thing Batman did was shoot him with a gun to weaken him for the other heroes and he died doing so. Thats hardly implying that Batman actually could defeat the God. He simply used the same bullet Darkseid used and broke his rule to help the other heroes kill the god of evil.

Well Bats could shoot Spider-man if neccesary

[Drazar]

Well Bats could shoot Spider-man if neccesary

Ah yes because having a gun and having a plan equals a win, right? I mean thats what villains do all the time, but how many times has it worked?

Also Batman would never break his gun rule just to defeat another hero. comparing a possible mutant to a god of evil now thats just crazy! Maybe Batman will shoot you Demon Hunter in the sequel! :( :p :rasp::flowers::wave::eek::scratch::D:o;):nut:

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Ah yes because having a gun and having a plan equals a win, right? I mean thats what villains do all the time, but how many times has it worked?

Also Batman would never break his gun rule just to defeat another hero. comparing a possible mutant to a god of evil now thats just crazy! Maybe Batman will shoot you Demon Hunter in the sequel! :( :p :rasp::flowers::wave::eek::scratch::D:o;):nut:

Ha ha ha very funny....



Batman Meets Demon Hunter = CsvdDxSygf0

[Riddling Artist]

spider-man.

why? cuz im a marvel fanboy lol no... just kiddin. but i think spidey would win but just barely. both have very similiar ways of handling situations. both of them are very smart. (bruce is a detective, spidey a nerd) both have their own combat moves (i like spideys moves in Marvel vs Capcom 2... seems more spider-like) spidey has webshooters or organic webbing... i forget which it is due to comics confusing the hell outta me. batman has gadgets. both would analyze each other. but heres the difference... spidey pulls his punches, and he can still take down as many dudes as bats. plus theres the whole do whatever a spider can tidbit. so add a vote to spidey for me :D

[thebatman226]

Heyyyyy look at me! I'm a silly guy who can climb on walls like a spider! Heyyyyy just call me spider-man!
Heyyyyy look what's that black alien-stuff-thingy! Aaaaargh! Now I'm a black spider-man! Heyyyyy just call me symbiotic spider-man!
...

Spider-man is one of the worst heroes ever created....
Just give me plain old Batman, who will kick his spidey-ass every day.

(Sorry if I'm being too rude, but common it's just a stupid silly guy who can't do anything else then crawling around and eating flies....)

The heroes in the spider-man series suck so hard: The green goblin (give me a break), venom (oooh I'm so scared now), doctor octopus (anyone ordered sushi?)
Batman's villains kick their asses, long live Joker, Freeze, Bane, ...!

I'm not saying that Batman is the best character ever created, or something like that, because a lot of other characters beat him with great ease, like Kratos from God of War.

Is this a joke? :S

[Wooba]

Heyyyyy look at me! I'm a silly guy who can climb on walls like a spider! Heyyyyy just call me spider-man!
Heyyyyy look what's that black alien-stuff-thingy! Aaaaargh! Now I'm a black spider-man! Heyyyyy just call me symbiotic spider-man!
...

Spider-man is one of the worst heroes ever created....
Just give me plain old Batman, who will kick his spidey-ass every day.

(Sorry if I'm being too rude, but common it's just a stupid silly guy who can't do anything else then crawling around and eating flies....)

The heroes in the spider-man series suck so hard: The green goblin (give me a break), venom (oooh I'm so scared now), doctor octopus (anyone ordered sushi?)
Batman's villains kick their asses, long live Joker, Freeze, Bane, ...!

I'm not saying that Batman is the best character ever created, or something like that, because a lot of other characters beat him with great ease, like Kratos from God of War.

You realize Batman is a guy that dresses up like a bat and tries to take himself seriously, right?

Also Calendar Man isn't very creative either. You're also not sorry for being too rude, because you're intentially being too rude, so don't lie to us and appologize when you obviously don't mean it.

[metalhead_dave]

I USED to love Spider-Man... until OMD... now my liking for him is all but killed and I couldn't care less about his comics. I ADORE the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon though! Its the BTAS of today, or at least it's to Spidey the way BTAS is to Batman.

Anyway, Spidey stomps Batman 9/10 times.

[GOGO]

Lucky Batman carries Mortein (http://www.globalpackagegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16247&g2_serialNumber=4) around jsut for this situation

[LIGHTS]

@rt ( )

[Drazar]

I bet Batman has equal or near strength as Spidey with his enhanced strength from his powers. And Batman's trained in all types of martial arts, while Spidey relies only on Spider sense and reflexes... .

Nomatter how hard Bruce would train his muscles, he doesn't have the genes that make Spider-Man so powerful in endurance, strenght, speed and whatnot. Batman surely has trained in all martial arts but that doesn't mean people who don't know all martial arts couldn't beat him.

Spidey has his grandma and Mary Jane and throughout the Spiderman movies, Green Gob kidnaps MJ, frightens Peter's grandma, Doc Oc also kidnaps MJ and so did Sandman and Venom. Batman doesn't have anyone close (except Alfred) but that's because nobody really knew his identity.

Batman has:
- Alfred
- Leslie Thompskin
- Dick Grayson
- Tim Drake
- Damian Wayne (his son!)
- James Gordon

Eh the list goes on way too long, and hey why do movies matter to this discussion? Spider-man never had spider-nipples or spider-credit card.

Lucky Batman carries Mortein (http://www.globalpackagegallery.com/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=16247&g2_serialNumber=4) around jsut for this situation

Haha. :D Outrageous!

[LIGHTS]

@Spidey ( )

[illisghost]

dont wanna be hated or anything but i think hands down spidey wins. he has superpowers and spidersense so he can react to whatever batman throws at him. he doesn't have any known weaknesses like superman where if u show a flashing rock to his face he falls on his knees.

So i give the shiny belt to spiderman

[batmanboy11]

...But Peter Parker rarely pays rent. That's a menace to society, "/.

That didin't cross my mind so... Batman should hunt down that criminal! :rasp: :wave:

[Riddler's Rampage]

Hand-to-hand, no gadgets, Spiderman wins. Spiderman has super strength, able to lift a car over his head, can leap like 20 feet into the air. Batman may have trained to the peak of human conditioning, but he can't do that. Spiderman also has super reflexes and an edge on speed.

With gadgets, it would be a crap-shoot. Whichever writer decided to make whomever win that day:p Just because Batman has sort of bested Superman with a krypto ring and another non-cannon story in another universe, doesn't mean he really beat Superman one-on-one. Not knowing Spidey's weaknesses, of course he can't just go in there and win the day on him.

Alas, these threads...

True......Eh, i still am on batman's side. He would pop up behind spider man and then spiderman would crap himself and run away......jk. Batman's still cooler.:p

[The Hylden]

Again, Spiderman has SUPER STRENGTH and SUPER SPEED, and SUPER ENDURANCE. He can LIFT AND THROW A CAR. LEAP 20 FEET INTO THE AIR. SENSE ANY ATTACK BEFORE IT GETS CLOSE TO HITTING HIM.

I love Batman, but Batman has none of these super abilities. He never will. He's supposed to be a human being only, just one that's trained really hard. Does NOT equel Super Strength. Batman will never lift and toss a car... Period. Unless he builds a suit that does it for him, like Iron Man. Love you guys. :p

Edit: meant the above here as a comment to earlier posts. :) lol, I didn't see the second page here!

[LIGHTS]

@Riddler ( )

[Velderik]

You realize Batman is a guy that dresses up like a bat and tries to take himself seriously, right?

Also Calendar Man isn't very creative either. You're also not sorry for being too rude, because you're intentially being too rude, so don't lie to us and appologize when you obviously don't mean it.

Mate chill out, it was just an overstatement/joke.....
Guess i'll edit it because no one seems to understand it.
Btw calenderman IS original, do you know any other villain who only murders on holidays, I don't think so.

Is this a joke? :S

Most of it is.

But I mean it when I say that spider-man & co isn't very creative.

[Riddling Artist]

Exactly. :whistle: The fact that Batman has no powers is what makes him unique. I mean, look @Spidey... Ain't he pretty scrawny... He's just like Nightwing if you ask me. He relies on web, which is similiar to Ivy's vines and Batman has more ways than one to break free and not to mention if they were to brawl, Batman would always think ahead, ftw. :nut:

you havent seen spidey recently have you? but there are different versions of spidey as there are batman. if you were to pit modern bats against modern spidey then yeah... spider-man, (hes actually pretty muscley) And my votes still in favor of Spider-man. Marvel ftw

[Wooba]

Mate chill out, it was just an overstatement/joke.....
Guess i'll edit it because no one seems to understand it.
Btw calenderman IS original, do you know any other villain who only murders on holidays, I don't think so.



Most of it is.

But I mean it when I say that spider-man & co isn't very creative.

Well I know of one villain which only commits crimes on Mondays. And Spider-Man and his villains are creative, you just fail to see it. I'm also assuming you've never read a Spider-Man comic.

And I'd also like to mention this isn't a "Who do you like more" contest. It is about who would win in a fight.

[LIGHTS]

@Supes ( )

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Lets look at from the animal side...
Spiderman = Spider
Batman = Bat
Bats eat Spiders
Bats > Spiders
Batman > Spider
Batman is would defeat Spiderman

[LIGHTS]

@Venom ( )

[Riddling Artist]

Lets look at from the animal side...
Spiderman = Spider
Batman = Bat
Bats eat Spiders
Bats > Spiders
Batman > Spider
Batman is would defeat Spiderman

lol but they arent both tose animals (though apiser-man is pretty close) an dits not like batman would eat spider-man lol... would he?

[LIGHTS]

He eats punks for breakfast. Surely a spider man could add to his appetite.

[The Hylden]

Batman opens up his mouth to chomp down on Spidey and gets a CAR SHOT THROUGH THE AIR, SMASHING HIM IN THE FACE!! :p

Spiderman shakes his head and calls 911. To this day, Batman still remains in a coma...

I like Batman more, btw, so that bucks the above logic. I'm simply facing "facts." (Comic book logic facts, but facts, nonetheless:p)

[royal flush]

if kraven can do it, it would be a cakewalk for batman!!

[Riddling Artist]

if kraven can do it, it would be a cakewalk for batman!!

quiet you! your not helping the spider-man fanboys lol

[Drazar]

if kraven can do it, it would be a cakewalk for batman!!

But Spider-Man won that eventually. :p This is like saying Bane could defeat Batman so it must be a cakewalk for Spider-Man. :p

[Sir Legendhead]

Spider-man has obvious psychological exploits that can easily be taken advantage of.

Batman does not have this problem.

[The Hylden]

lol, of course he doesn't :rolleyes:

[Drazar]

- Jason's Death
- Wayne family CORPSES
- Talking about how people like Harvey Dent have suffered because of Bruce's Batman crusade.

Yeah getting on Bruce's nerves is pretty easy, and he's easily blackmailable if you kidnap his parents' corpses like Ras' al ghul did in Tower of Babel arc.

[kalle90]

Hate each other? Those 2 are practically the only comic heroes that interest me. I can't hate either one.

I have to say Spiderman would win. Spidersense beats Batmans stealth; superhuman reflexes, strength, speed and web beat gadgets and punches. Neither of them are stupid or weak minded. The only hope Batman has is batmobile and some complex storyline arcs someone could write.

Actually someone had the picture with Splinter Cell lurking over some thug and Batman lurking over Splinter Cell. Spiderman would easily go even higher than Batman.

Their villains aren't very comparable either. Batman has much tamer and more realistic enemies. Doc ock, Scorpio, Venom, Goblins and most others can move almost anywhere and seek to kill Spidey. Riddler, Penguin, Calendar Man etc. have completely different techniques and goals.

[Sir Legendhead]

Actually someone had the picture with Splinter Cell lurking over some thug and Batman lurking over Splinter Cell.

....

...Spiderman would easily go even higher than Batman.OMG INTERNET LOGIC FTW

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/5101/voicesxs1.jpg

[kalle90]

Atleast it can't go the other way

[Sir Legendhead]

Atleast it can't go the other wayThe cute little kitten could take either one of them. Just be a man and admit it so Batman can win, ok?

Because, dude. Batman.

http://batman.manyfacesof.com/art/mark_bagley_Spider-ManandBatman-Disordered_MindsFC.jpg

"Oh yeah, I'm faster than that old martial arts teacher. I'ma show hi- *SMACK*"

If this has never happened to you, then you've never studied martial arts. Let's not e-bs each other about this, ok?

Batman fought the Devil in RIP and won. Spider-man fought the Devil in One More Day, which resulted in one of the worst abortions of storytelling that the comics industry has ever seen.

Tell me Spider-man wins. I dare you.

[Drazar]

Spider-Man didn't fight Mephisto in One More Day. Besides comparing Batman and Spider-Man because of 1 storyline is ridicilous.

Also you really haven't demonstrated how Batman can win, besides your claims that Batman can't be psychologically attacked which by the way is pretty wrong. =S Batman no matter the equipment is still a human, sure peak conditions but still Peter Parker has the endurance, strenght and speed to win.

[Sir Legendhead]

Spider-Man didn't fight Mephisto in One More Day. Besides comparing Batman and Spider-Man because of 1 storyline is ridicilous.

Also you really haven't demonstrated how Batman can win, besides your claims that Batman can't be psychologically attacked which by the way is pretty wrong. =S Batman no matter the equipment is still a human, sure peak conditions but still Peter Parker has the endurance, strenght and speed to win.Parker is known to make poor decisions, though. He doesn't have the cold-blooded lack of emotion that Wayne grew up with.

This was illustrated really well in the comic I linked to...as I remember it, Spidey tried to jump on Batman and got body-slammed into a wall, just like Harley did in the game.

Come to think of it, isn't Harley faster and stronger than Batman? Maybe she'd be a better match for Captain Retcon-um-what-wife?, seeing as how it seems like we're only counting physical attributes here.

Also, Batman can be psychologically attacked...just not successfully. You know this...remember Morrison's RIP?

[Drazar]

You're going to argue with the same comic that had Batman give up and agree Spider-Man to come along? Really now? Also lack of emotion? C'mon now. :p

[Sir Legendhead]

You're going to argue with the same comic that had Batman give up and agree Spider-Man to come along? Really now? Also lack of emotion? C'mon now. :pOf course he let Spidey come along -- Robin was busy.

I could write a full article on the similarities between Peter Parker and Tim Drake, by the way. Main difference is, only one of them is man enough to be a superhero without powers.

Also, obvious bait is obvious. :p

edit: also also - Tim Drake > Peter Parker. Yeah. I went there. :D

[LIGHTS]

@Bats ( )

[Drazar]

Of course he let Spidey come along -- Robin was busy.

The thing is in all DC meets Marvel comics Batman never truly has a fight excluding the 1st fight with Captain America where Batman just says "you had more prep time!" and the second time they met Batman just gave up and snirked "you could beat me! so i give up!" Same things with Spider-Man.

Now we all know superpowered people underestimate Batman and that gives Batman an edge, but Spiderman has worked so long with normal human heroes to super powered onces he surely knows not to underestimate a man in bat dress. :p Putting it all down to endurance, strenght and speed we both know Spider-man wins in these. What can Batman do to get the winning edge? You tell me that! :p

And trust me i love Batman more than.... Pie and Cake together! I just can't always love the idea of Batgod and i do like my Batman with flaws. Which is why i probably have been enjoyning Dick Grayson-Batman so much lately. ^_^

I could write a full article on the similarities between Peter Parker and Tim Drake, by the way. Main difference is, only one of them is man enough to be a superhero without powers.

Yeah well where we're you when the Robin discussions were hot! :( </3 Tho Tim is too grim dark compared to Pete. I'd compare them with the original boy wonder. :D


Also, obvious bait is obvious. :p

http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae216/Drazlol/Randomness/Meh.jpg

Come to think of it, isn't Harley faster and stronger than Batman? Maybe she'd be a better match for Captain Retcon-um-what-wife?, seeing as how it seems like we're only counting physical attributes here.

Well Spider-Man is stronger than both of them. Remember in "Mad Love" Harley did outwit Batman!


Also, Batman can be psychologically attacked...just not successfully. You know this...remember Morrison's RIP?

Dr. Hurt did the grave mistake of acknowleding his presence to Bruce. :D God damn do i love R.I.P so much tho.


edit: also also - Tim Drake > Peter Parker. Yeah. I went there

How do you like Red Robin? I liked that Morrison finally opened the doors for Tim Drake to become a grown man hero instead of being Robin.

Exactly! That's similar to what I said. But it seems mostly everyone on here is on Spidey's side. But what about Superman? He's at least 10x faster (if not), stronger or better than Spidey and Batman could still kick his behind with a simple Kryptonite ring? (Spidey has to have some kind of lame weakness, too...)

No he can't. Batman can't defeat Superman alone no matter how much kryptonite the guy could muster. He's never done it alone in the comics againts a full powered Superman. Superman ISN'T that weak as people here seem to believe. =(

And yeah Spider-man has the same lame weakness as Batman. ;) They're mortals.

[Sir Legendhead]

@ Drazar - Do you remember the Amalgam crossover where Batman clearly beat Captain America? Shield missed, Batarang connected -- all there is to be said about that, honestly.

Also, as far as Spider-man vs. Batman goes, how do you think other Disney properties would match up? I'd LOL hard to see Hannah Montana vs. Damien Wayne myself -- of course it'll never happen, seeing as how DC has artistic integrity and all.

Heh, I know. Famous last words.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v638/tinpanorama/mcart1943-img600x242-super_heros.jpg

[LIGHTS]

@Naru ( )

[Sir Legendhead]

Naruto > Sasuke? (Hey, it's on Disney now.) :pNaruto > Spider-man

Because Spider-man can't turn into a girl and wasn't trained by an old pervert. Oh wait...

The first story depicts a young boy who is molested by his baby sitter. Peter Parker lives in the next apartment and hears the boy’s protests. He goes next door as Spider-Man and defuses the situation for the most part. Then, in an attempt to encourage the boy to tell his parents, Peter tells the young boy a story about another lad who was molested. This other boy told his aunt and uncle what had happened to him and everything turned out all right. The shocker is that this other boy was actually Peter Parker himself.

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/westcott3.jpg

*link* (http://www.atomicavenue.com/Atomic/titledetail.aspx?TitleID=1721)

And suddenly, being orphaned by billionaire parents at a young age doesn't seem like such a bad deal after all...

[Drazar]

@ Drazar - Do you remember the Amalgam crossover where Batman clearly beat Captain America? Shield missed, Batarang connected -- all there is to be said about that, honestly.


Hmm how many JLA/Avengers stories are there? I'm aware of the 2000 one but what comic are you specificly talking about? I've obviously missed this one.


And suddenly, being orphaned by billionaire parents at a young age doesn't seem like such a bad deal after all...

Haha this is almost as bad as the TDKR treatment on Spider-Man where he ended up killing Mary Jane with his radiactive sperm.

[Sir Legendhead]

Hmm how many JLA/Avengers stories are there? I'm aware of the 2000 one but what comic are you specificly talking about? I've obviously missed this one.The one where Batman beat Cap was in the Amalgam series, where DC and Marvel crossed over for a few months. Same crossover that gave us this:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/bruce-wayne-agent-of-shield/1-1.jpg

Haha this is almost as bad as the TDKR treatment on Spider-Man where he ended up killing Mary Jane with his radiactive sperm.Oh no. This was much, much worse. I started to not even post that. The Reign storyline wasn't anywhere near that horrible.

[Drazar]

The one where Batman beat Cap was in the Amalgam series, where DC and Marvel crossed over for a few months. Same crossover that gave us this:

http://www.coverbrowser.com/image/bruce-wayne-agent-of-shield/1-1.jpg

Hmm interesting. Oh well it's still 2/3 on Cap's side! :D

[Sir Legendhead]

Hmm interesting. Oh well it's still 2/3 on Cap's side! :DYeah, we all know how well that last Cap film did at the box office...

[Drazar]

Yeah, we all know how well that last Cap film did at the box office...

I love these kind of comic nerd debates.

I raise your argument with battnipples and bat credit cards!

[Wooba]

I love these kind of comic nerd debates.

I raise your argument with battnipples and bat credit cards!

No love for the Batcrack. =(

[The Hylden]

Yeah, we'll see how the new Captain America movie fares and then come back to this argument. I've put it in my queue for 2012 :p

[Riddling Artist]

lol drazar i raise you one spider-man jazz number and an emo haircut... DAMN wrong evidence for my side lol

[Wooba]

Drazar, I'll see your Batnipples and Bat Credit Card, and I'll raise you a Luchador Mask and a ***** Enlargment (Brought to you proudly by "Geneticly Modified" Spiders.)

[The Hylden]

Never read that as a side effect of the bite :p

But, since we're talking luchador masks and enhancements, and whatnot...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/pgson/bane.jpg

[LIGHTS]

@ivy ( )

[The Hylden]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/pgson/multiple-villains-01.jpg

:rolleyes:

[Wooba]

It's times like these I wish my work didn't have a proxy up that blocked 3/4 of the pictures on this site.

in the first Spider-Man movie they changed the "Radioactive" Spiders for "Geneticly Modified" Spiders. After Peter got bit and went home, he was checking out his new bulky self in the mirror and Aunt May knocked on the door asking if he was alright. He was at the time looking into his pants and with a big grin on his face said "Great!" Maybe my imagination is dirty, or maybe Sam Rami was trying to imply that Super Powers give you Super Luggage.

[Sir Legendhead]

Never read that as a side effect of the bite :p

But, since we're talking luchador masks and enhancements, and whatnot...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v105/pgson/bane.jpgWow, that's awesome! When did the Hulk start wearing that cool mask? :D

[Riddling Artist]

Wow, that's awesome! When did the Hulk start wearing that cool mask? :D

HULK SMASH PUNY LEGEND... and thanks for an idea for a "Hulk vs Bane" Thread.

[DarkKnightReturns]

I find all your replies very interesting. There's a lot of things I agree with here and there, but I feel tempted to point some things out.

The reason some argue that Batman can beat nearly anyone is because the proof is in the pudding. Before you stop me, let me explain. In multiple incarnations, continuities, etc., Batman has studied the strengths and weaknesses not only of countless supervillains, but superheroes as well, in the event that they go rogue, always without their consent or knowledge, and always being able to apply said knowledge successfully in a face-to-face encounter. True, some of them are remarkably strong beings with arguably simple weaknesses (Superman to Kryptonite, Green Lantern to the color yellow, etc.), but others have taken a lot more homework, like Wonder Woman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, etc.

Yes, Batman is entirely human, yes, he has been defeated numerous times, sometimes brutally (Bane, Catman, Joker), but more often than not he uses the peak of his ability, not with some drug like what Captain America got, not with genes that the X-Men were born with, not with the ridiculous amount of unpredictable power the Hulk got, but with his own willpower, aspiring to the closest thing there is to mental and physical perfection, and being able to back it up even more with a lot of money (it helps to use those smarts for accounting, too), a concrete mental focus along with lots of deep rage that can be tapped into on demand (parents dying, Jason Todd being killed, Barbara Gordon being crippled, etc.), and, when necessary, some help from friends (Robin, Gordon, Alfred, and occasionally Superman and others), though that last part is more scarcely used in his triumphs. I'd dare even say that Batman is just as underestimated by his friends and foes as he is by comic fans and sometimes even his own fans. It's time like these where in retrospect I'm REALLY glad Batman is one of the good guys ._. if the case were different, the world might as well be doomed.

Now, in defense of Spider-Man (as I do like him equally as much as Batman), his powers are a big advantage, but they don't make him entirely. He has the advantage of willpower given to him by his sense of guilt and responsibility, an on-the-fly sense of humor that can drive even the most composed villains crazy out of irritation, a wholly unique fighting style no one has ever been able to completely mimic, and other factors. He's smart, maybe not as smart as Batman, but smart enough to clash minds with the likes of geniuses like The Lizard, Mysterio and Dr. Octopus. One thing I do find he shares in common with Batman is his ability to improvise with his surroundings, often being fortunate enough to match available objects with his enemy's known weaknesses. However, in the case of both Batman and Spider-Man in a fight, this may not help as much, as the only real weakness both of them have is that they're only human. His capabilities are just as impressive as Batman's; he defeated the entire X-Men in Secret Wars (Xavier himself admitted Spider-Man could have killed them all if he really wanted to), stood toe to toe with the Hulk and beat him single-handedly, and has semi-regularly juggled the entire Sinister Six in whatever team they're assembled of, sometimes all at once or in the span of merely hours.

Also, I like Robin, be it Dick Grayson or Tim Drake, but I still think Spider-Man is a more worthy character, at least IMO. Don't get me wrong, Robin is very valuable, but Spider-Man has worked alone for the longest time, when he was merely fifteen years old, just as young and as fresh experience-wise, and has stood his own against countless villains that would make other heroes tremble in their boots. All this, and he manages it with the stress of being an Average Joe, middle class, with strained family and friend relationships, being guilt-ridden constantly, the list goes on and on.. Batman may be deeply disturbed, but he has a mansion he can go home to and access to countless potential dates, though one could argue this is compensated by the stress of running an entire company AND secretly funding a largely successful vigilantism lifestyle with very few confidants (not to mention that, again like Spider-Man, his social life isn't the world's greatest either; it seems there's things like Harry Osborn is to Spider-Man as Harvey Dent is to Batman, etc.). Hmm...

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Batman is an A-list DC Hero, and Spider-Man is an A-list Marvel hero. Neither of them would have an easy time defeating the other.

[Drazar]

Yes, Batman is entirely human, yes, he has been defeated numerous times, sometimes brutally (Bane, Catman, Joker), but more often than not he uses the peak of his ability, not with some drug like what Captain America got, not with genes that the X-Men were born with, not with the ridiculous amount of unpredictable power the Hulk got, but with his own willpower, aspiring to the closest thing there is to mental and physical perfection, and being able to back it up even more with a lot of money (it helps to use those smarts for accounting, too), a concrete mental focus along with lots of deep rage that can be tapped into on demand (parents dying, Jason Todd being killed, Barbara Gordon being crippled, etc.), and, when necessary, some help from friends (Robin, Gordon, Alfred, and occasionally Superman and others), though that last part is more scarcely used in his triumphs. I'd dare even say that Batman is just as underestimated by his friends and foes as he is by comic fans and sometimes even his own fans. It's time like these where in retrospect I'm REALLY glad Batman is one of the good guys ._. if the case were different, the world might as well be doomed.

Doomed? Please lets not get any fanwankery ideas. It doesn't take more than Superman using his actual eye lazer beams to cripple Batman. Ofcourse writers would never do that but atleast us fans don't need to pretend like Batman actually could defeat Superman now, shall we? It's just silly. :p

Oh yeah and since we're playing with the big guns now... I present you:
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[The Hylden]

Wow, that's awesome! When did the Hulk start wearing that cool mask? :D

Since Schumacher got so stoned one night, he forgot which was which, Hulk, or Bane, and whether or not either was into dungeon fetishes :p

Edit: Geez! It's like someone's yanking out my suppressed memories and forcing me to relive them again! Just what was up with the complete lack of physics in that movie? Bats, Robin, Batgirl, huge-ass Freeze! All hopping and floating around like they weigh -2 lbs... Driving the dildo-mobile down the arm of that statue, sliding down the bridge? Oh, ok, it's a comic book film, so there aren't any actual physics applied:p Got it...

[DarkKnightReturns]

Doomed? Please lets not get any fanwankery ideas. It doesn't take more than Superman using his actual eye lazer beams to cripple Batman. Ofcourse writers would never do that but atleast us fans don't need to pretend like Batman actually could defeat Superman now, shall we? It's just silly. :p

... Did you miss this part of my post? >.>

The reason some argue that Batman can beat nearly anyone is because the proof is in the pudding. Before you stop me, let me explain. In multiple incarnations, continuities, etc., Batman has studied the strengths and weaknesses not only of countless supervillains, but superheroes as well, in the event that they go rogue, always without their consent or knowledge, and always being able to apply said knowledge successfully in a face-to-face encounter. True, some of them are remarkably strong beings with arguably simple weaknesses (Superman to Kryptonite, Green Lantern to the color yellow, etc.), but others have taken a lot more homework, like Wonder Woman, Flash, Martian Manhunter, etc.

Let's put this in retrospect... Superman himself has called Batman the most dangerous man alive. Alive. Superman knows what he's talking about. That means he's more dangerous than Lex Luthor, more dangerous than Bruno Mannheim, hell, more dangerous than Joker. Think about it like this; Batman, whose non-lethal methods will only go as far as beating one within an inch of their life or leaving them with a permanent injury, who always uses non-lethal weaponry, most of which are throwing objects, NOT guns, regularly takes on criminals wielding firearms who may as well not hesitate to commit murder, sometimes in brutally sadistic ways. And Batman always triumphs over these people, usually with frightening ease. Even if they're highly trained, part of a country's military, even. Now, if Batman were a force of evil, not of good, then there would be no reason for him to hold back from using lethal weapons and killing people. Hell, if he had only a pair of handguns he'd be plenty more devastating than he already is, and that's saying a lot. If Batman were evil, he'd be among the greatest villains to ever live, and I'm sure he would triumph a lot. Good, evil, Batman is still Batman.

The very same could be said about Spider-Man. He's so strong that he always has to pull his punches to keep regular human foes he fights from being completely splattered. In the event Spider-Man ever went rogue or decided to use lethal methods he'd be plenty more devastating than he already is, and that, too, is saying a lot. In fact to me it's sometimes a miracle that he's never killed anybody while enveloped by the symbiote suit. Probably because some small part left of him in there remembered he was a force of good and still saw killing as immoral.

[Drazar]

Yeah i read your post, but i still stand by my point.

Sure Superman told those martians that Batman is dangerous, but why did he say this? Because they we're cocky and very underestimating. The Justice League won the day thanks to the villains being all cocky and belittling everysingle Justice League Member.

Now Batman going lethal? He's still a human. See it's Batman alone versus the whole world, and sure he has *plans* againts enemies and allies alike. The Tower of Babel showed how easily Batman can be taunted/black mailed by taking his parents copses as hostages.

More importantly Superman doesn't even need to get close to Batman to confront him. All he needs to do is get to space atmosphere or so. Use his eye lazer beam and voilá its done.

Plans or no plans. The superheroes won't underestimate Batman and thus Batman loses his edge. Not to mention the Green Lanterns don't fear Batman and whatnot whatnot.

So yeah i stand by my point. Killing Batman isn't hard if it's needed. Superman in modern ages has killed over 5 people and Batman? He's only helped to kill 1 villain. So Superman is more than prepared to get his hands dirty if he needs to.