A revelation about Robin

[Old_BenKenobi]

Batman is widely known for being prepared for anything. He even has plans to take out his allies in the Justice League in case they ever got rogue.

But how do you take out Batman? Well, I think I have the solution.

Robin.

Robin is Batman's plan. If he is ever to go crazy and become evil, Robin is to take him out. Robin knows him as Bruce Wayne and as Batman. Robin knows how Batman fights, how all his equipment works and how Batman thinks. Robin knows anything and everything about Batman. As much as Robin is a partner and an anchor to humanity, he is Batman's emergeancy plan in case he goes rogue.

Thoughts?

[EliteF50]

I think Robin would have to explain to Superman how to take him out. I highly doubt Robin can do it alone.

[Drazar]

I think Robin would have to explain to Superman how to take him out. I highly doubt Robin can do it alone.

Jason Todd and Nightwing could take him out if you ask me. Ofcourse i can never imagen a situation where they would fight for a defeat/kill between the characters. Even Jason Todd couldn't bring himself into killing Bruce.

Tho since we're talking about Robins, may i show some scans from Tomasi's Blackest Night: Batman? It showed some brilliant moments between Richard, Damian and how there handling Bruce's "death".

[EliteF50]

Tho since we're talking about Robins, may i show some scans from Tomasi's Blackest Night: Batman? It showed some brilliant moments between Richard, Damian and how there handling Bruce's "death".

Yes, please.

[Drazar]

Thou shall ask, thou shall receive:
"Family Reunion" (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/illest_rebel/BlackestNight-Batman1004.jpg)
Damian talking. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/illest_rebel/BlackestNight-Batman1012.jpg)
Damian talking 2 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/illest_rebel/BlackestNight-Batman1013.jpg)
Richard explains why he isn't afraid of death and other stuff. (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/illest_rebel/BlackestNight-Batman1014.jpg)
Richard being Batman. :) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/illest_rebel/BlackestNight-Batman1020.jpg)

Really i love how Richard is the new Batman for now, theres a rumour going on that next summer two story arcs will come from Morrison called: Search for Bruce Wayne & Batman Returns.

PS. Oh and Old Man Kenobi sorry if you find this thread derailment. :( I agree with your post, you bring excelent points from the All Star Batman and Robin as in that universe Richard even QUIT as Robin, and you can see some reasons why, since Batman had went over the edge abit too soon.

Really one of the best things about Jeph Loeb's Hush is how Batman realizes he isn't alone, he has this whole organization (bat family) with him and thus Batman brought orphans together and whatnot, so they aren't that alone as they imagen.

[EliteF50]

I love Richard Grayson as Batman, as well. I think he's the perfect person to wear the cape & cowl after Bruce. But I just don't think he'd be able to take down Bruce if he'd ever gone rogue.

Oh, and if Bruce Wayne comes back somehow, I'll be a very happy man. :)

[Old_BenKenobi]

I don't think Robin could take Batman out, but he would be a great tool in doing so. Who else knows how Batman works and functions?

[lukeob94]

maybe not robin...
but nightwing!
night wing is so bada**
i mena he's the original robin who knows batman best
plus hes a young man
which means he'll proally be more athletic than bats and almost equally powered
also he doesnt have a cape
i mean rally you can't compare a cape to those flappy wing thingys
wing thingys>cape

[Drazar]

I don't think Robin could take Batman out, but he would be a great tool in doing so. Who else knows how Batman works and functions?

Eh plenty of people could takedown Batman. I'd say the easiest thing to do is just send Wonder Woman, since she can't be stunned with kryptonite. =p


wing thingys>cape

Disco costume ftw.

[Old_BenKenobi]

But Batman has the means to take down Wonder Woman. :p A nanite in the ear that traps her in a virtual reality world where she fights until her heart gives out (taking advantage of her refusal to back down).

Robin (and especially Nightwing) was trained by Bruce since he was a kid. Nobody knows him better, except maybe Alfred. And Nightwing is almost on par with Bruce in terms of strength and ability, and is above him in acrobatics and leadership (meaning he could rally together a force to take down Batman with).

[Drazar]

But Batman has the means to take down Wonder Woman. :p A nanite in the ear that traps her in a virtual reality world where she fights until her heart gives out (taking advantage of her refusal to back down).

So why didn't Joker manage to defeat Batman in this game? He had the means to take down Batman! See, its not just a plan that can confirm a victory, besides the two times (that i know of) where there was a real Wonder Woman vs. Batman fight, Batman lost them, you know why? He is just a normal man.

http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/Hiketeia2-5.jpg

[Old_BenKenobi]

We both know Joker would never kill Batman, so thats a moot point.

In Tower of Babel R'as al Ghul was able to use Batman's plans to take out the entire League. Batman can't win in a straight fight, but he can take them from afar. And if he ever went rogue, that's what he'd do.

[Drazar]

We both know Joker would never kill Batman, so thats a moot point.

No, there are times when the Joker does really wish to kill Batman. Thats the whole thing about his Super insanity. He almost killed Harley Quinn and wanted to kill Batman so he could become the Midnight Clown in one of Morrison's works.

In Tower of Babel R'as al Ghul was able to use Batman's plans to take out the entire League. Batman can't win in a straight fight, but he can take them from afar. And if he ever went rogue, that's what he'd do.

If we're going to go with the Tower of Babel story, then lets take a look at why Ras' al ghul succeeded and what he (and hence Batman's plan fails) failed also.

Ras' has an army of ninjas, he gained the shots to shoot the heroes when they were distracted or fightning his henchmen. Also J'onn J'onzz managed to evade his trap, as Batman had understimated him, not to mention Batman can't kill Superman, so he can only stun Superman until the Red Kryptonite fuels out, and if youre going to say "oh but he can keep just add more" we're talking so much Gary Sue talk here, it isn't even worth to joke about in my eyes. =p

Really again, just because someone has a plan doesn't mean it can work, unless you want me to bring this argument up:

Superman just shoots his eye lazor from the sky when Batman is patrolling, thus silently and withouth excepting gets head shotted, the end.

See, its really silly to have these VS. threads or whatnot.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Superman doesn't kill though. :p

And it's Batman, he'll find a way. :p

[lukeob94]

well really i doubt batman could handle poison ivy at her peak,he knows it. he's willing to save anyone else even the joker before her.watch chemistry,you know what happens? he leaves her to die,even in arkham asylum it's presumable he left her to die.she has the most powerful weapon against man,her sexual attraction and then she can in some version secret poisons or at least have the means to poison someone.also unlike other villains poison ivy isn't psychologically addicted to batman,but rather plants,so she would without hesitation kill him in the name of plants


also ,proally a superman rogue.i mean livewire seems super dangerous,i'm sure superman can handle her but i doubt any normal human could take elctricity very well,cuz IT'S extremely dangerous.

[Drazar]

Superman doesn't kill though. :p

And it's Batman, he'll find a way. :p

I actually wanted to edit the post and make it "Superman lobotomises Batman from the sky!!!" but really, you made a thread about defeating Batman and the only thing you say againts all the evidence thrown at you is: He's Batman!

So really it does seem you're just asking for Batman to go Gary Sue. =p

[Old_BenKenobi]

I actually wanted to edit the post and make it "Superman lobotomises Batman from the sky!!!" but really, you made a thread about defeating Batman and the only thing you say againts all the evidence thrown at you is: He's Batman!

So really it does seem you're just asking for Batman to go Gary Sue. =p

But being indestructable is Batman's superpower! :rasp:

Quit trying to poke holes in my theory. :p

[SolidSnake_123]

But being indestructable is Batman's superpower! :rasp:

Quit trying to poke holes in my theory. :p

Heh. He's the BATMAN! Superman is just... Superman... with every power in the book and the last son of krypton.... But Batman is the BATMAN!!!!

[Old_BenKenobi]

Superman is pretty interesting when he goes to the street level. And I mean really, really down to the street level. In No Man's Land he visits as Clark Kent, and uses his powers to help crops grow so people don't starve. I really liked it. The same book shows why Superman's broad heroism would be useless in sucha situation.

[ThatGuyHarris]

Defeating Batman would have to be a joint effort and even then I'm not sure it'd be possible. Assuming he doesn't lose his faculties he'd realize right off the bat (no pun intended) who he'd have to take down first to fulfill whatever plans he may have. If Batman truly went rogue to the point of killing he couldn't be stopped. Period. Batman can do anything with enough planning. He's the world's greatest detective. In my mind that means he can plan the world's greatest crime and nobody would be the wiser before it was too late. He'd use surgical precision. He wouldn't taunt his enemies with riddles, capture his foes and elaborate on his plans, or any of that crap. People would simply vanish. Batman's trap would be so elaborate nobody would ever see it coming.

Now that I think about it somebody should write an Elseworlds story about this. Heh.

[Drazar]

Defeating Batman would have to be a joint effort and even then I'm not sure it'd be possible.

It's been done before, so yeah it is easily possible.

Assuming he doesn't lose his faculties he'd realize right off the bat (no pun intended) who he'd have to take down first to fulfill whatever plans he may have. If Batman truly went rogue to the point of killing he couldn't be stopped. Period.

There was one universe which Jason visted that had Batman gone rogue, and he was stopped.

Batman can do anything with enough planning.

Pretty false to be honest, what makes you even say this?

He's the world's greatest detective. In my mind that means he can plan the world's greatest crime and nobody would be the wiser before it was too late. He'd use surgical precision. He wouldn't taunt his enemies with riddles, capture his foes and elaborate on his plans, or any of that crap. People would simply vanish. Batman's trap would be so elaborate nobody would ever see it coming.

So tell me how would he defeat Marvel, Super or Green Lantern family members? Really now, just because he has the title "world's greatest detective" doesn't mean Question, Tim Drake or Detective Chimp wouldn't be able to figure it out.

Now that I think about it somebody should write an Elseworlds story about this. Heh.

I really don't think we need more bad Batman comics. =p

Really now, as a big Batman fan, why on earth would people want to Gary Sue Batman? It totally takes away the "human vigilante" to "lol hes Batman, he can do it! thats just tasteless.

[ThatGuyHarris]

I guess I just give Batman more credit than some people. Batman's major strength stems from his strategic planning. I don't know how anyone can be a Batman fan and doubt that anything is possible for Batman if he's allowed to plan beforehand. Stopping a Batman gone rogue isn't going to be as simple as Superman lobotomizing him with heat vision or sending Wonder Woman to pummel him. We're not talking about a simple mano y mano fight, we're talking about a large scale takeover orchestrated by Batman. Sure, maybe he could be stopped, I'll relent on my opinion that it's impossible, but the scale that would be necessary to stop him would be VAST. Batman going rogue wouldn't be something overt that was in all the papers in Gotham. It wouldn't be something as obvious as Luthor becoming President either. It would be something that bubbled underneath the surface of the DCU for years. Batman wouldn't just suddenly knock out everyone in the JLA like Ra's did in The Tower of Babel and then shrug his shoulders like he didn't know what was going on. "I didn't do it." Give the character a little more credit than that.

[SpeDog]

Superman is pretty interesting when he goes to the street level. And I mean really, really down to the street level. In No Man's Land he visits as Clark Kent, and uses his powers to help crops grow so people don't starve. I really liked it. The same book shows why Superman's broad heroism would be useless in sucha situation.

Then you would really dig Alex Ross and Paul Dini's painter Superman oversize book. It was the first one they did together and really shows him putting his powers against worldwide hunger and why Clark can't really apply his powers as such on a large scale like that.

Back to the topic...I always had thought that Superman had probably gained enough respect from Batman that, particularly Superman had given Batman the means to permanently stop him if he went rogue, that Bruce has probably given Superman the means to stop him as well. It's kind of like the Cold War between them; mutally assured destruction means they'd never make a move against the other without really causing their own death. If either one were out of control and had to be "put down", each has the means to do it. Clark would have enough detachment to make it happen despite his vow of no killing. None of the former Robins could due to Bruce being their father in a lot of ways, but if Bruce would break his vow of using guns or killing to stop Clark, since that is his wish, Clark would probably do the same.

[SolidSnake_123]

Yeah, the best parts about Batman is that he can be defeated.. he is just a normal man with flaws and problems that we all have, thats why his character is so complex and dynamic. Because he can get his ass beat by wonder woman, but still.... it shows hes just a man.

[Gopher_777]

Yean, he's THIS man http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MvIwBTXkv0

[Old_BenKenobi]

My opinion of Batman can go two ways. I like him alone, because then he's a mortal man doing badass things, and that gives the character an approachable edge to it. But when he's with the Justice League, then he's a bad enough dude to ball with Supes and Wonder Woman. One is down-to-earth and mortal, the other is invincible through sheer-will. I think both are badass, but a balance is best.