Batman vs. Superman

[spike2966]

There is only one.

[CaptainMcMulla]

I am not saying anything for this because im a huge batman fan and i like superman too. They both have their individual strengths & weaknesses. So i am going to call this a tie.

Batman has beat superman before so who knows.

[kidt89]

Kryptonite Batarang = Superman Fail

end of discussion.

[Drazar]

Kryptonite Batarang = Superman Fail

end of discussion.

Lazor eye beams from above space = Batman fail

end of discussion. :rasp:

Now in all honesty we all know how comic char fights are made: the more popular one wins and the less popular one does stupid things. I mean in all honesty Superman could just shoot a lazor beam and kill Batman, but thats noway of killing the great Batman now is it? So ofcourse its done by a fistfight. ^^

[Ensanguined Walls]

They both have their strengths and weaknesses, respectively. I can't choose one over the other, since Batman & Superman are both such iconic heroes in the DC Universe. In fact, their partnership in several comics is one of my absolute favorite superhero duos in DC.

[curiousgerbil]

Why Batman Vs. Superman? Can't we all just get along? :D

[kidt89]

Lazor eye beams from above space = Batman fail

end of discussion. :rasp:

Now in all honesty we all know how comic char fights are made: the more popular one wins and the less popular one does stupid things. I mean in all honesty Superman could just shoot a lazor beam and kill Batman, but thats noway of killing the great Batman now is it? So ofcourse its done by a fistfight. ^^

superman is too much of a boyscout to fight dirty and shoot laser beams for outer space that will be his downfall

[Drazar]

superman is too much of a boyscout to fight dirty and shoot laser beams for outer space that will be his downfall

He can still just shoot Bruce from close distance or semi far. Also if the fight happens during daytime early morning Superman would get a power boost from the yellow sun.

Now the thing is what happens when Superman becomes immune to kryptonite? He has received this on stories where he is far older, so how will he be then stopped? Really you can write either one of them as victors as Batman can be killed by the easiest possible ways there is, but what makes Batman a Batman is that he is always there doing the good fight, no matter how dangerous or easy it could look.

[kidt89]

He can still just shoot Bruce from close distance or semi far. Also if the fight happens during daytime early morning Superman would get a power boost from the yellow sun.

Now the thing is what happens when Superman becomes immune to kryptonite? He has received this on stories where he is far older, so how will he be then stopped? Really you can write either one of them as victors as Batman can be killed by the easiest possible ways there is, but what makes Batman a Batman is that he is always there doing the good fight, no matter how dangerous or easy it could look.

Is superman becoming immune to kryptonite canon?

anyways it looks like where at a stalemate because we can both come up with a million scenarios where batman wins or superman wins.

[Gary_Bailey]

popularity seems to be only done in America, if Captain America owned Batman Drazar

like I said in a similar thread, the only thing that is holding Batman back is the use of guns, he'll kill if he really needed to.

I played the mobile game Batman & Superman and Batman was virtually going to blow up Darkseid's realm killing Darkseid, Superman and himself, and Darkseid backed out and stopped the invasion cause Superman was like "WTF dude you crazy?" when Batman wasn't bluffing.

also if you were to pit the same Superboy Prime that killed that other universe Batman, and Superman than yes, he will kill Batman, cause he's a nutcase and has nothing stopping him

[Drazar]

Is superman becoming immune to kryptonite canon?

canon Superman is still young so yeah, green kryptonite > him. :)

anyways it looks like where at a stalemate because we can both come up with a million scenarios where batman wins or superman wins.

Indeed, but Batman would definatly be the winner due to his insane popularity. =p Which sometimes gets out of hand if you ask me. :hmm:

[kidt89]

Indeed, but Batman would definatly be the winner due to his insane popularity. =p Which sometimes gets out of hand if you ask me. :hmm:[/QUOTE]

at least people recognize a good superhero when they see one

[batfan08]

All-Star Superman PWNS Batman.
Regular Superman,not so much.

[Matches Malone]

I just think Bruce's intelligence makes it impossible to rule him out against anything.

[Joker's Jolly Jester]

the problem with superman is the people of metropolis are dumb, really dumb so amazingly stupid in fact that he doesnt even have to wear a mask and they still cant figure it out sure lois wised up eventually but still that and if there are any linger questions about who would win just read the dark knight returns comes pretty damn close to deciding a victor

[robinsnotstupid]

He can still just shoot Bruce from close distance or semi far. Also if the fight happens during daytime early morning Superman would get a power boost from the yellow sun.

Now the thing is what happens when Superman becomes immune to kryptonite? He has received this on stories where he is far older, so how will he be then stopped? Really you can write either one of them as victors as Batman can be killed by the easiest possible ways there is, but what makes Batman a Batman is that he is always there doing the good fight, no matter how dangerous or easy it could look.

in the stories were superman becomes imune to kryptonite, he is always really old, and batman will have died of natural casue by then so it wont matter.

we are talking about now and i dont think supermans powers work like that. the sun dosent give him a quick boost, he's like a battery, being really close to the sun can overcharge him, but being out during the day dosent make him any stronger, unless they have made some big chages recenlty.

[door noob]

http://i42.tinypic.com/2en9rvt.gif
From funny picture thread.

[spike2966]

Kryptonite Batarang = Superman Fail

end of discussion.
Why didn't i think of that...hmmmmm.

[thedarknight2016]

batman no doubt first batman has beaten superman before on many accounts and do you wanna know why because hes the goddamn batman i mean you cant get better than this guy first because of his mind he a genous he has 5 plans for every move his enemies make and another 5 plans incase those plans dont work he will research everything about you and by the time he confronts you hell know how much hair you have on your head and wheter your virgin or not hes been under cranes fear toxin plenty of times and still makes it back to the batcave alive and well hes a great tactician and has knowledge in a bunch of different scientific areas, biology, chemistry, forensic science etc, simply put there is not a subject on the face of the earth he doesnt have a college degree in. some people describe him like if the only thing he has is brains he has plenty of brawn he is at the pinnacle of human perfection his skills and physical condition are nigh superhuman meaning if he got any more powerful it would have to be considered a superpower he is an expert in ALL the worlds martial arts and is one of the best fighters in dc universe he goes up agasint super human foes and drops them in the blink of an eye superman himself described him as the most dangerous man on the planet he technically defeated the whole league since ras al ghul used his plans to take them down he once defeated a group of superpowerd aliens to save his teammates need i go on ? some people say if superman were to give up his boy scout ways batman would be dead. i disagree he made plans for superman on the assumption he would give up his boyscout ways and as i said before he makes plans for everything that includes each one of supermans powers and every superman scenario so supermans laser vison he would get heat absorbing body armour his superstrength he would handle with an superpowered exo skeleton much like in the dark knight returns in conclusion batman is the best hero every coneived and will ALWAYS be in that position

[WarrENDeatH]

In all seriousness Superman could absolutely destroy Batman but as said many times before Clark is a completely different person than Bruce. Clark cares and deep down, Bruce doesn't. I really think Superman would win but you never know how dirty Bruce would get.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

I agree with Drazar and Warrendeath

[Darkwing_Duck]

Superman. If no one was holding back.

[daklog]

In all seriousness Superman could absolutely destroy Batman but as said many times before Clark is a completely different person than Bruce. Clark cares and deep down, Bruce doesn't. I really think Superman would win but you never know how dirty Bruce would get.

bruce likes to pretend that he doesn't, but he definitely does, he cares much more than he wishes he did.

[angleslam99]

Only Batman fanboys would say Batman would win. Superman wins, easily.

[LoboUDL]

All you have to do is go to the comics and look at every fight they've ever had with each other and look who won.

[Drazar]

All you have to do is go to the comics and look at every fight they've ever had with each other and look who won.

Define "won" because to me it hasn't never concluded. In "The Dark Knight Returns" Batman was punching for all his strenght to make sure Superman wouldn't get a chance to realize he faked the heart attack. Again this is a situation Superman could have fried Batman with his eye lazors but the writer ofcourse didn't want that to happen.

In Hush Batman just punches him a few times and evades the rest, counting on Catwoman to kidnap someone in hopes of saving their ass and Superman's mind control spell, if Catwoman had failed Batman would have died instantly.

[The Comedian]

If you know anything about Batman. You know that he already said Superman would win, in Hush he states that if Clark wanted to he could tear him to shreads, but deep down Clark is a good person and wouldnt have the stones to kill.

[scarecrow22]

batman because he always has some sort of kryptonite on him because he never entirely trusted superman.
and superman wouldnt use his eyelazers if it was in the city for fear of hurting civilians

[gaiking2003]

He can still just shoot Bruce from close distance or semi far. Also if the fight happens during daytime early morning Superman would get a power boost from the yellow sun.

Now the thing is what happens when Superman becomes immune to kryptonite? He has received this on stories where he is far older, so how will he be then stopped? Really you can write either one of them as victors as Batman can be killed by the easiest possible ways there is, but what makes Batman a Batman is that he is always there doing the good fight, no matter how dangerous or easy it could look.

this were batman invents a kryptonite force field bubble

[Drazar]

batman because he always has some sort of kryptonite on him because he never entirely trusted superman.
and superman wouldnt use his eyelazers if it was in the city for fear of hurting civilians

Yeah Superman gave Batman and the US Goverment kryptonite incase Superman would go evil. =) Also saying Superman wouldn't use eyelazers is like saying Superman wouldn't defend Metropolis because people might get "afraid" of him. :p

this were batman invents a kryptonite force field bubble

Because theres nothing better then some radiation!:rasp:

[GibsonSGBat]

Chuck Norris.

...okay batman....

[Amputechture]

Define "won" because to me it hasn't never concluded. In "The Dark Knight Returns" Batman was punching for all his strenght to make sure Superman wouldn't get a chance to realize he faked the heart attack. Again this is a situation Superman could have fried Batman with his eye lazors but the writer ofcourse didn't want that to happen.

In Hush Batman just punches him a few times and evades the rest, counting on Catwoman to kidnap someone in hopes of saving their ass and Superman's mind control spell, if Catwoman had failed Batman would have died instantly.

It's because Miller hates Superman. Just see All Star Batman and Robin for proof :hmm:

[Velderik]

Yea Superman would win this round :(
Poor old Batman, I'll sure miss him :(

[thedarknight2016]

If you know anything about Batman. You know that he already said Superman would win, in Hush he states that if Clark wanted to he could tear him to shreads, but deep down Clark is a good person and wouldnt have the stones to kill.

but yet batman plans for every situation and scenario including if superman where to lose his boyscout ways and truly become evil

[MCREF]

Superman > Earth

Just face it. His creators made him too powerful. If this were a box office battle, Batman would win no competition but since it's a throwdown then it's Supe's round. Batman is more popular and he's relatable where as Superman is larger than life and pretty much what we used to aspire to be before everybody else got on the scene. WB gave Superman a kid (out of wedlock and left Lois barefoot and pregnant. Not so boyscout when you think of that eh?) in an attempt to relate to us. Anyway, kryptonite only goes so far against the man of steel. Just ask Metallo. Batman would lose no matter what he came up with.

[thedeadpool]

batman usally beats superman but if it was a one on one fight fist fight with no kryptonite ring batman would get beat.

[LoboUDL]

Well, there was also the Dark Knight Strikes again you forgot to mention where he beat Superman down again with Kryptonite gauntlets and told him that he works for him now and I'm pretty sure he told him that he owned him.

Verbally in a comic he told Superman that he hasn't inspired anyone since he died....which IMO was a pretty good verbal beatdown. ;>

Then the last thing that comes to mind was when Ras Al Ghul got the files from Batman on the techniques to take down the whole JLA and left Superman totally incapacitated...sure he didn't do it himself...but it was his.

[dante13x11]

Superman Would win no matter what but if batman had some kind of Kryptonite contraption then he would win thats it Superman is invincible but when there's Kryptonite hes nothing

[CodeBlack]

All you have to do is go to the comics and look at every fight they've ever had with each other and look who won.

You mean no one?

Like I said in the last Batman vs Superman thread, in none of their fights has either of them ever pulled of an actual victory. Neither of them has beaten the other, at least not attempting to actually defeat them as apposed to stalling or outwitting each other, and I doubt that will change.

I call it either a tie, a draw, or the fight gets cancelled before the end.

[Bat_Fan]

give batman a kryptonite suit or green lantern ring or supepowers like superman and he will destroy superman a hundred times over and over again :D

[Drazar]

Well, there was also the Dark Knight Strikes again you forgot to mention where he beat Superman down again with Kryptonite gauntlets and told him that he works for him now and I'm pretty sure he told him that he owned him.


I love it how you ignore Green Arrow, Atom, Flash helping Batman to beat Superman in that fight. =) Great way to claim Batman > Superman.

[Game Weasel]

Simple and Sweet answer.

If the comic was written to be logical/realistic: Superman would win.
If it's written in the traditional comic book style: The Jobber aura kicks in and Superman goes down hard.

[TheBat]

All you have to do is go to the comics and look at every fight they've ever had with each other and look who won.

I like Batman the best. But superman would kill Batman If batman has no back up plan.If Batman has kryptonight gloves he might have the better chance of winning.But anyone with that green rock poses a threat to supes.

[Mandalore]

Even with kryptonite weapons I don't see how Batman could stand a chance against Superman in a fight. Lets ignore Batman's nearly impenetrable armor of popularity for a second and try to look at this logically.

If Batman has a kryptonite ring or kryptonite gloves or any other kind of melee weapon, why would Superman even get within melee range of Batman in the first place? He has x-ray vision, there's no way he couldn't have known ahead of time Batman had the weapons. All Superman has to do is stay out of range and hit Batman with ranged attacks, Superman wins.

What if Batman has a gun loaded with a kryptonite bullet? Well, Superman's faster than a speeding bullet so I doubt that bullet would make it more than a few inches out the barrel of the gun before Superman completely evades it. It'd be even more one-sided with a kryptonite batarang, Superman could hit it with heat vision before it even left Batman's hand.

The fact is the only way Batman could ever stand a chance against Superman is if you write in some lame blunder on Superman's part or some other kind of deus ex machina to pull Batman's ass out of the fire and both of these scenarios only happen because of Batman's aforementioned armor of popularity. Superman is just too powerful to have a decent, balance fight between him and Batman. In fact, I can only think of one other fight that would be more one-sided and unbalanced than Batman vs. Superman, and that's Batman vs. Dr. Manhattan.

[CodeBlack]

Even with kryptonite weapons I don't see how Batman could stand a chance against Superman in a fight. Lets ignore Batman's nearly impenetrable armor of popularity for a second and try to look at this logically.

For arguments sake, since I still say that they'd never actually fight to the end and, if they did, it would always end up either cancelled or in some sort of strange draw, I'll field all of these logically.


If Batman has a kryptonite ring or kryptonite gloves or any other kind of melee weapon, why would Superman even get within melee range of Batman in the first place? He has x-ray vision, there's no way he couldn't have known ahead of time Batman had the weapons. All Superman has to do is stay out of range and hit Batman with ranged attacks, Superman wins.

Alrighty then. From Hush, we see that, should Superman do that, all Batman has to do is watch him carefully and dodge right as soon as Supes tries to blast him. In fact, if he misses, the explosion from the impact would cause a distracting smokescreen, or drastically alter things so that Batman could hide out of sight, giving him the ability to both think on the spot and ambush Superman later. So... Supes doesn't win. Not yet, anyway.

What if Batman has a gun loaded with a kryptonite bullet? Well, Superman's faster than a speeding bullet so I doubt that bullet would make it more than a few inches out the barrel of the gun before Superman completely evades it. It'd be even more one-sided with a kryptonite batarang, Superman could hit it with heat vision before it even left Batman's hand.

Provided Superman can see Batman draw and fire it ahead of time, you mean? Remember both Supes and Bats have been able to sneak up on each other, and you're kind of assuming that Batman, who is a master of outwitting people and taking them by surprise, would be completely unable to do so against Superman, who is, despite all his power, is a bit outgunned against Batman when it comes to wits, and a little naive besides. There's no reason that Superman couldn't fall for some misdirection; if anything, X-Ray vision give Bats more ways to trick him.

This is kind of moot though, since I can't really see Batman seriously using a Kryptonite gun against Superman anyway.

The fact is the only way Batman could ever stand a chance against Superman is if you write in some lame blunder on Superman's part or some other kind of deus ex machina to pull Batman's ass out of the fire and both of these scenarios only happen because of Batman's aforementioned armor of popularity. Superman is just too powerful to have a decent, balance fight between him and Batman. In fact, I can only think of one other fight that would be more one-sided and unbalanced than Batman vs. Superman, and that's Batman vs. Dr. Manhattan.

I can actually see Bats vs Dr. Manhattan being a fight he can't win, but that's because Manhattan is omniscient (sort of). Superman is not, and he most certainly isn't invincible. There are ways to harm him even beyond Kryptonite. Sure, Bats would lose in a fistfight, but what's to say that's the way it has to be. Saying that only a poorly written deus ex machina can give Batman kind of cuts out thinking outside the box.

Still, the idea behind every Batman/Superman fight in the comics was to play on the duality of their characters, not to actually see which one would win. That's why neither of them has ever truly beaten the other. I don't see it ever happening either, it just wouldn't make sense to me to do it. The two are sort of like opposing but coinciding sides to a single coin in the DC Universe, it wouldn't work for one to completely triumph over the other, and neither of the characters would actually do it besides.

[AnimatedMonster]

Superman

I find it highly unrealistic (yeah I know, unrealistic in a comic book sense) that Batman would be able stand toe to toe with any of the main Justice League. Most of the time when Batman fights another member of the Justice League (or superhero in general), the writer usually writes the opponent as a brain dead retard (Frank Miller is notorious for this). I also hate that stupid excuse of "Batman can defeat anyone with enough planning". LAME.

I like my Batman to be in a self contained universe anyway.

[CodeBlack]

I also hate that stupid excuse of "Batman can defeat anyone with enough planning". LAME.

This excuse actually isn't used all that much in the comics. In fact, I've only actually seen it used once, ever. Pretty much all of Batman's victories come from thinking on his feet, and exposing his enemies' weaknesses as he's fighting them. That's why I can see him beating at least most of his teammates if they ever had to go against each other. None of them are perfect, and if Batman can stall long enough, he can think of a way to expose their weaknesses. Bats is far from the strongest person in the DC Universe, but he's good at making sure his opponent can't use his/her strength or ability against him.

Also, Tower Of Babel shows that Wonder Woman constantly beats Batman in spars. It's very, very unlikely, much like pretty much any time Batman fights one of his archenemies, that he'd fight any one of them straight up hand to hand.

[Gambit]

This is a stupid discussion.
If such beings actually existed, the "Super" one need only run into the other one a full speed...splat.

[CodeBlack]

This is a stupid discussion.
If such beings actually existed, the "Super" one need only run into the other one a full speed...splat.

Except Superman doesn't do that. He wouldn't do anything that'd kill another person outright.
Plus, Bats would expect it, and move the moment he saw something.

[xKataurx]

Most comments I didn't read because they're way too long. So this is my opinion. Both have high intelligence and strength. BUT Superman was made to be the best, Batman is made to be realistic. Superman has so many powers no one can really beat him.
Kryptonite also gives you cancer so Batman dies if using it.
In the end no one would win because they both don't kill.

[Enop80]

I like Batman in his own universe where it seems somewhat real. He works best a gangster/crime lord stopper than talking on Supes or other high powered/ supernatural beings.

[scarecrow22]

wat if batman just teamed up with the joker (i know unrealistic) and got him to set up a crazy joker kryptonite trap for superman

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

All you have to do is go to the comics and look at every fight they've ever had with each other and look who won.

As a Batman fanboy, based on every encounter they've ever had, including ones that may have seemed off character or involved some type of mind control, I'd have to say that the average looks to favor Superman. The odds favor Kal even more so if we were to toss in alternate time lines/worlds or similar archetypal versions of their characters, though I don't think they should be counted.

Most of Batman's victories were relatively minor, such as getting in a witty retort, making Clark feel bad about something or delaying him in some way. Even Tower of Babel had Superman being temporarily powered up thanks to the red kryptonite.

[Bat_Fan]

maybe batman can get zatanna or one of his other magicpowered friends to cast a spell that makes superman lose all of his powers and then beat the crap out of him

or get some magician like docter fate, zatanna, etrigan to make him magic based power suit then kick supes ass:D

[scarecrow22]

maybe batman can get zatanna or one of his other magicpowered friends to cast a spell that makes superman lose all of his powers and then beat the crap out of him

or get some magician like docter fate, zatanna, etrigan to make him magic based power suit then kick supes ass:D

Ok batman vs any other superhero that lost his powers= batman win

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

Heh, if you've gotta toss in other characters into the field to balance the fight, I think it's a good indication who's got the upperhand.

[Bat_Fan]

how does he have the upperhand, any magic based character can own superman

[Gary_Bailey]

gas mask

kryptonite smoke capsules,

lure Superman in, pop some smoke

Superman inhales, Superman dies

[stoobytoons]

Look. The only way to settle this is to put Superman and Batman in a lead box and take away Batman's utility belt. Make them fight like regular gladiators. I think it's fair to say that Batman is more then well-versed enough in martial arts to completely destroy Supes -- no contest.

[Bat_Fan]

Look. The only way to settle this is to put Superman and Batman in a lead box and take away Batman's utility belt. Make them fight like regular gladiators. I think it's fair to say that Batman is more then well-versed enough in martial arts to completely destroy Supes -- no contest.


very true

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

how does he have the upperhand, any magic based character can own superman


Well, that's the thing. The topic is about Superman and Batman. When people start bringing in a bunch of magicians to help Bruce out, it becomes a tad unfair. Same with giving him time to plan, in my opinion.

As I sad, given their averages, Clark's winning this one more often than not.

[Gary_Bailey]

Kryptonite smoke capsules!!

[batfan08]

Red filter for the sun!In all honesty,Superman.

[Gary_Bailey]

not really what is the situation?

did Batman or Superman go bad?

why are they gonna fight each other?

are they gonna fight to kill?

is it going to be melee or ranged?

Batman would win with the smoke capsules imo in close range

but Superman would win ranged hands down.

every character has their own flaw, everyone of them can be exploited

Batman is human, and he is also very cocky

Superman is immortal, having superpowers to begin with flaws his overall fighting ability without his powers.

Give Supes' powers to Batman and he is lethal, both with his years of being a human and dominating as a human, all he'd have to do is learn to use the new abilities and he's a powerhouse

Give Supe's Batman's mortality and he'll struggle ultimately.

Batman has a very sharp intellect and knows Superman well but Superman is also intelligent but never knows Batman so well.

Batman just needs to throw some smoke capsules composed from kryptonite and hope to God Superman isn't smart enough not to pass through it.

Another scenario Batman lures Superman into a building composed of lead, the building contains artificial red sun energy and kryptonite gas as a last resort. Who would that win that one?

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

If the two knew they were fighting, I doubt Superman would be stupid enough to enter a lead building that happened to be there.

I think one of the things that puts Batman in a huge disadvantage is Superman's speed. When asked who would win, several writers including Kurt Busiek, Mark Waid and Phil Jimenez all pointed out that Clark, at any given time, could have his friend unconscious before a thought passes through his mind.

[Gary_Bailey]

If the two knew they were fighting, I doubt Superman would be stupid enough to enter a lead building that happened to be there.

I think one of the things that puts Batman in a huge disadvantage is Superman's speed. When asked who would win, several writers including Kurt Busiek, Mark Waid and Phil Jimenez all pointed out that Clark, at any given time, could have his friend unconscious before a thought passes through his mind.

Superman clone in Superman Doomsday he chased Luthor into a lead room and got the crap beaten out of him in a slightly homo looking way

2nd time round was a different story

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

Of course that was the animated version, which isn't the best indication of how they behave or a proper gauge of their abilities, especially when it's a clone.

Superman in the comics, for instance, has had kryptonite gas used against him several times as you suggested in a previous topic. In the end, it only served to delay him.

[Gary_Bailey]

delay him and use a kryptonite explosive! anthing that will knock him out would be good

[Drazar]

delay him and use a kryptonite explosive! anthing that will knock him out would be good

For good would require Batman to lock him up beneath the earth to ensure he doesn't gain any solar, not to mention he would need to be paralyzed under kryptonite/red sun 24/7 to ensure he wouldn't regenerate himself.

[Gary_Bailey]

For good would require Batman to lock him up beneath the earth to ensure he doesn't gain any solar, not to mention he would need to be paralyzed under kryptonite/red sun 24/7 to ensure he wouldn't regenerate himself.

not for good but knocking him out briefly would ensure a win

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

Plus Batman's kryptontie arsenal isn't exactly unlimited. In fact, the k-ring he had(and I say had, since it was destroyed) was so rare that he only brought it with him whenever he went to Metropolis.

[Gary_Bailey]

Plus Batman's kryptontie arsenal isn't exactly unlimited. In fact, the k-ring he had(and I say had, since it was destroyed) was so rare that he only brought it with him whenever he went to Metropolis.

synthetic?

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

He's got some. They don't quite have the impact of the real deal, but he feels them, unlike Supergirl, who' somehow immune. I'd guess his k-bombs and such are all synthetic kryptonite while the real deal was kept on the ring.

[Gary_Bailey]

a magical artifact then?

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

Batman and Superman dislike magic. Bruce is more likely to stick to what he knows than depend on a magically imbued object that can blow up on his face.

[Gary_Bailey]

Batman and Superman dislike magic. Bruce is more likely to stick to what he knows than depend on a magically imbued object that can blow up on his face.

indeed, synthetic kyrptonite based poisonous gases?

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

Closest thing he's used were green-k smoke bombs. I think he even used it in their last encounter, which sadly ended with Bruce getting his ribcage punched in by a mind-controlled Kal.

[thedarknight2016]

Most comments I didn't read because they're way too long. So this is my opinion. Both have high intelligence and strength. BUT Superman was made to be the best, Batman is made to be realistic. Superman has so many powers no one can really beat him.
Kryptonite also gives you cancer so Batman dies if using it.
In the end no one would win because they both don't kill.

yeah you are right about kryptonite given you cancer but you have to be constantly wearing it for years for that to happen and batman keeps it in a lead box which blocks the radation

[Bat_Fan]

hey at the end of superman/batman search for kryptonite, didn't batman have a whole chamber filled with the stuff with different colours?

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

Yup, but at that point DiDio mentioned something about the book's place in continuity remaining ambiguous. Personally, I don't see the reason to do this since comics always found a way to tell the tales they needed without continuity always limiting them, but whatever.

[Bat_Fan]

i think that its in continuity since thats how they rebooted supergirl, superman/batman:supergirl

[Rareless09]

Batman would win for sure, Kryptonite makes Superman weaker than a schoolyard toddler. Not to mention he's used to handling fights with Supes by now, yeah no contest.
So Batman>Superman

And do you know who also shares a victory over Superman? Goku! He cooked Superman (to a crisp) in a special Wizard matchup issue.
So Goku>Superman too

But if Batman>Superman and Goku>Superman
Then Goku > or = Batman

So one day they both meet and Batman and Goku share with each other how they both gave Supes a good ole fashioned beatdown. But then Batman would eventually realize he hasn't trained in Goku's martial art (the last style he hasn't learned). So he'd demand that Goku train him.

And with Batman's discipline he trains to the highest possible level and gains the ability to fly for real. Then its definitely curtains for Superman:hmm: Even if he develops immunity to kryptonite, he'd still be in an uphill battle against a Goku trained Batman. Not to mention that Batman would absolutely insist on learning the Kamehameha:eek:

http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/8137/ssjbatman1copy.jpg
Its over Joker...permanently *teleports Joker to Arkham jail cell*

http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/8130/ssjbatman2copy.jpg
You thought I was overpowered before? Wait 'till you get a load of me now...

I like my Batman to be in a self contained universe anyway.
I apologize if the above images make your head explode.

[Gary_Bailey]

Classic!

[VanZarko]

Why Batman Vs. Superman? Can't we all just get along? :D

Lol, when I read "Can't we all just get along?"
it reminded me of a song from Biggie Smalls that in one verse
he said "Can't we all just get along?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHaTSxMuS6U

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

i think that its in continuity since thats how they rebooted supergirl, superman/batman:supergirl

I should have specified; I was talking about continuity post-New Earth.

[LoboUDL]

This is getting more out of hand than the super-sperm debate in Mall Rats.

[Bat_Fan]

I should have specified; I was talking about continuity post-New Earth.

but didnt suuperman/batman search for kryptonite happened after new earth was created?

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

Yup, and as far as I know, that hasn't been referenced in the other comics so far.

Right now it looks like a "we'll choose what's canon and what's not depending on what we need", which seems rather messy.

[Bat_Fan]

maybe batman can make gun that fires red sun radiation beams that render superman powerless then beat the crap out of him:D

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

That's probably his best bet, though one sided time to plan would be an unfair start.

[Black sabbith102]

Superman would win but im sure batman would put up a great fight. Now everyone brings up the fact that batman can use kryptonite or whatever but without it he's toast. If you ask me superman is way too overpowered and I guess that's kinda why i dislike him. Now please enough with these batman vs. threads there's so many of them.

[Bat_Fan]

That's probably his best bet, though one sided time to plan would be an unfair start.

i don't it would be unfair im mean its superman thats the overpowered one after all

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

That's the point of the match. I strongly feel that once people start bringing in extra time for preparation and other outside factors for one character, it should generally tell someone who should win the fight.

As I said earlier, I'm a huge Batman fan more than I am a Superman one, but on paper this one's not a challenge at all. Dramatic effect would give Batman better odds in the actual book, of course. Clark's just too powerful without giving Bruce a massive amount of time to work things in his favor. Is Superman overpowered? Nah, I don't buy that term. Overpowered compared to whom? The Spectre overshadows the Man of Steel, for instance. And it's not as if Supes spends all his time fighting petty thugs and bank robbers, either.

[Bat_Fan]

That's the point of the match. I strongly feel that once people start bringing in extra time for preparation and other outside factors for one character, it should generally tell someone who should win the fight.

As I said earlier, I'm a huge Batman fan more than I am a Superman one, but on paper this one's not a challenge at all. Dramatic effect would give Batman better odds in the actual book, of course. Clark's just too powerful without giving Bruce a massive amount of time to work things in his favor. Is Superman overpowered? Nah, I don't buy that term. Overpowered compared to whom? The Spectre overshadows the Man of Steel, for instance. And it's not as if Supes spends all his time fighting petty thugs and bank robbers, either.


to be honest bruce is never given a lot of time. he usually comes up with something on the spot to contain and get rid of the situation. of course the spectre has more power, hes like the right hand man of The Presence. ill tell u some one that's really overpowered, spawn, they made him way to overpowered not even supes or spectre can beat him

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

The Spectre was a quick example of how power scale is relative depending on whom you use. I could've chosen the Anti-Monitor, Imperiex Rex, Mageddon or many other characters as an alternative. Plus Spawn's powers have actually reverted to what they were before.

I never said Bruce wasn't quick on his feet, though for a fight like this, I strongly doubt he'd put together a red solar radiation gun while in the midst of combat.

[Bat_Fan]

but see that the funny thing about batman not to mention bullcrap, how do u know that he hasnt... already made one. he had a whole plan to take down the entire justice league if they went rouge and superman said himself that he always had a backup plan to take one of us down.







to bad Bruce didn't have a plan when he died:D what an idiot:lol:

[Drazar]

to bad Bruce didn't have a plan when he died:D what an idiot:lol:

Unless he decided to allow himself die due to breaking his moral rule after approx +10 years of fightning off crime.

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

^ According to Morrison, he technically didn't break his oath never to kill. He used a gun, which is rare for him, but his shot was meant to wound.

but see that the funny thing about batman not to mention bullcrap, how do u know that he hasnt... already made one. he had a whole plan to take down the entire justice league if they went rouge and superman said himself that he always had a backup plan to take one of us down.

Batman, to my knowledge, never used red sun radiation in-continuity. All of his anti-Superman tools were either kryptonite-based or heavy tech like sonics or explosives.

Plus he didn't have a plan for the entire Justice League, either. The Secret Files issue showed that he wasn't completely prepared for some of the secondary members, plus some the plans used against the "Big Seven" was just not well thought out. For instance, his anti-GL plan required the Lantern to be in a position where he can hypnotize him while he slept...if Bats caught a rogue GL sleeping, I think there's better options to take at this point than hypnotizing the guy. Then there's Superman made more powerful by the random effect of the red kryptonite, which, if he had gone evil, would be a horrible thing for the good guys. Oh, there's also his lack of forethought against his plan being stolen in the first place.

[Drazar]

^ According to Morrison, he technically didn't break his oath never to kill. He used a gun, which is rare for him, but his shot was meant to wound.

Yep, but he also has a oath for guns. =p Didn't Morrison say that aswell in the Wizard interview?

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

Not that I know. His oath focuses on him taking a life; hes used guns before, but as I said above, it's rare. Aside from the Darkseid event, the only other times I remember outside of his earlier years is the iffy Year Two event and his using a sniper rifle.

[Drazar]

Man are we even sure Reaper is canon anymore? Zero Hour wiped out Joe Chill and Reaper but then it got brought back in Infitive crisis when it came to Joe, but we've never heard of Reaper, and i'd daresay Morrison would have added him if he had wanted. =S Damn confusing comic book worlds! :P

Ah well atleast Batman had a sense of humour when he shot Darkseid, but yeah Superman does speculate (this text is towards Bat fan speficicly just saying) if Bruce just allowed himself to die after doing what he did.

[Bat_Fan]

Man are we even sure Reaper is canon anymore? Zero Hour wiped out Joe Chill and Reaper but then it got brought back in Infitive crisis when it came to Joe, but we've never heard of Reaper, and i'd daresay Morrison would have added him if he had wanted. =S Damn confusing comic book worlds! :P

Ah well atleast Batman had a sense of humour when he shot Darkseid, but yeah Superman does speculate (this text is towards Bat fan speficicly just saying) if Bruce just allowed himself to die after doing what he did.

true, why would he have let himself die, maybe he does have a back up

[Bat_Fan]

^ According to Morrison, he technically didn't break his oath never to kill. He used a gun, which is rare for him, but his shot was meant to wound.



Batman, to my knowledge, never used red sun radiation in-continuity. All of his anti-Superman tools were either kryptonite-based or heavy tech like sonics or explosives.

Plus he didn't have a plan for the entire Justice League, either. The Secret Files issue showed that he wasn't completely prepared for some of the secondary members, plus some the plans used against the "Big Seven" was just not well thought out. For instance, his anti-GL plan required the Lantern to be in a position where he can hypnotize him while he slept...if Bats caught a rogue GL sleeping, I think there's better options to take at this point than hypnotizing the guy. Then there's Superman made more powerful by the random effect of the red kryptonite, which, if he had gone evil, would be a horrible thing for the good guys. Oh, there's also his lack of forethought against his plan being stolen in the first place.



that's true about his tools, but he must of at least heard of it, we all know he's paranoid enough to make one. don't really remember but didnt superman say that hal jordon was also powerful enough to beat him, i mean with his ring and all. and so true about the plans being stolen.

Batman: c'mon ra's u really think u can take on the league
Ra's Al Ghul: yes thats why u made those plans after all
Batman: those plans, c'mon ras, i seriously doubt you'd ever find them
Ra's Al Ghul: then what are these im holding in my hands
Batman: even if u do have them, u would never be able to carry out those plans
Ra's Al Ghul: im sorry what thats behind u

batman turns and see's all the league members lying on the ground dead

Batman: 'sigh' oh poop

[Mister Mxyzptlk]

I wouldn't mind Year Two being banned from continuity at all. I haven't read it in years, but I remember not liking it at all.

Quick question- When did Clark speculate that Bruce let himself get hit? He wasn't even there to know the full story, right?

that's true about his tools, but he must of at least heard of it, we all know he's paranoid enough to make one. don't really remember but didnt superman say that hal jordon was also powerful enough to beat him, i mean with his ring and all. and so true about the plans being stolen.

I'm sure he's heard of it. He was even in the process of thinking up a device, but it wasn't completed until Superman ironically helped make a miniature version.
Hal Jordan's powerful enough to beat Carl, but I don't think he's admitted it himself. Being the meek type, I wouldn't be surprised if he ever did.

[Drazar]

Quick question- When did Clark speculate that Bruce let himself get hit? He wasn't even there to know the full story, right?


BATMAN #687

Nope he doesn't know the full story, but even he says "Batman always had millions of back up plans"

[Bat_Fan]

and if anyone can beat death its the dark knight. actually in blackest night didn't Hal and Barry say something about that batman would be coming up with a plan to come back to life or something like that, just a joke i think it was meant be. meh but he not really dead so ....

[xKataurx]

Superman is better I love a man with red underwear outside his suite ;D Isn't that right Dante? :]

[dante13x11]

Superman is better I love a man with red underwear outside is suite ;D Isn't that right Dante? :]

Ohh your a funny one you know well i dig a dude with black underwear outside his pants that why he would win ;)

[xKataurx]

yeah you would love men wouldn't you D: just kidding..

[dante13x11]

Lets agree to disagree

[xKataurx]

fa sho