Who is your favourite villain?

[EliteF50]

Mine would have to be Bane. I like Bane the most because I find his origin very interesting. The way he was portrayed in TAS/TNBA scared me when I was younger, but I always liked him because of that.

Not to mention he broke Batman's back. I think he was the most successful villain because he came closest to killing Batman.

Let's face it, if someone as big as Bane broke your spine in two, you'd be dead by now.

http://www.mwt-studios.com/comics/estate/bane.jpg

[KillerCroc]

As the name implies Killer Croc. My favorite villain besides him...would have to be Gorilla Grood. Mad ape skills!

[EliteF50]

Well, why do you like Croc so much?

[Drazar]

Jason Todd (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yWjfmSMdvSo/Sb3IrRDRoqI/AAAAAAAAAd0/Y8Af5Nd034s/s1600-h/BMBFC+1.30_100.jpg) is building up to become a great new villain that might be my new favorite. Loved his transmission from anti-hero (Under the hood) to now becoming a villain. Presuming he is the new Red Hood. :]

Otherwise Joker takes the spot due to the thematic battle between him and Batman. Black Mask and Two-Face are also on top due to the criminal gangster style they represent.

[KnowHowIGotTheseScars?]

Clayface PERIOD haha

http://wiw.org/~jess/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/clayface.jpg

[Batfan22]

I Have to give it to Riddler, just so ... Unique

[KillerCroc]

Well, why do you like Croc so much? I like Croc because he is the underused character that has progressed so much over the years as a villain the most (except for Catman, he got BA) and has awesome potential to be up right next to Joker and Two-Face. People see him as Gotham's merc, well that's not true, that's Firefly. Croc usually gets sucked into things by the writers at DC because they don't see how great of a character he can be (I dislike some writers of DC for this reason) and how he was the simple man with skin cancer that grew into a mutated, killing monster. Half-way there, but not close. I once made a Killer Croc: Year One story that I one day hope to pitch to some internet comic distributers (Renegade comics which I am a part of, just haven't pitched the idea yet, busy, busy, busy). Potential to be an awesome character, and he could be the missing member of Kiss is he wanted too. :p

[Jason Todd]

Jason Todd (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_yWjfmSMdvSo/Sb3IrRDRoqI/AAAAAAAAAd0/Y8Af5Nd034s/s1600-h/BMBFC+1.30_100.jpg) is building up to become a great new villain that might be my new favorite. Loved his transmission from anti-hero (Under the hood) to now becoming a villain. Presuming he is the new Red Hood. :]

Once again I find myself agreeing with Drazar...But anywho, to me Jason is as close as we'll get to seeing Bruce Wayne with no morals. Their physical matches, trained the same...possibly better because he has training from all of Bruce's Masters and Bruce himself. Plus he doesn't mind killing to get the job done. Besides him would be Joker & Hush.

[ambush king]

Clayface PERIOD haha

http://wiw.org/~jess/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/clayface.jpg

my brotha can i give + rep clay face is my villian.

[Batman-DCU]

My favorite villain would be the man that shot Bruce's parents. The end result of that catastrophic event gave us this unique character of Batman.

[Jason Todd]

My favorite villain would be the man that shot Bruce's parents. The end result of that catastrophic event gave us this unique character of Batman.

Joe Chill

[Batman-DCU]

Joe Chill

Is that his name?

[Jason Todd]

Is that his name?

Yessir. Some comics he doesn't have one, but usually he's identified as Joe Chill

[KillerCroc]

Yessir. Some comics he doesn't have one, but usually he's identified as Joe Chill Sounds like Mr. Freeze would have some really bad puns for him.

[Batman-DCU]

Yessir. Some comics he doesn't have one, but usually he's identified as Joe Chill

Well then, I'm sticking to Joe chill.

[Jason Todd]

Sounds like Mr. Freeze would have some really bad puns for him.

Lol, Im surprised he doesn't work for Freeze..seems like an obvious henchman

[KnowHowIGotTheseScars?]

my brotha can i give + rep clay face is my villian.

Clayface will always be the #1 BA

[Batman-DCU]

Clayface will always be the #1 BA

That dude blew up the Daily planet lol

[EliteF50]

Clayface will always be the #1 BA

Nah, I think Bane could take him on. And Batman is even more of a bad-ass.

[D.A.V.E.]

1. Joker - Cause he's awesome.
2. Two-Face - A very tragic character with a good gimmick.
3. Mr. Freeze - See number two.

Honorable mention: Killer Moth.

[The Joker 1]

The Joker because he laughs for anything. And because I am The Joker He,he!

[Game Weasel]

Catwoman and Poison Ivy are dead even for me.

Catwoman I've always loved. I loved her for being one of the few villains in Batman's Rogues gallery who wasn't totally insane.
She's just a woman who knows how to run a theme... And she was a lot cooler back in the 90s than she is now. This is a thief, gymnast and martial artist who had a photographic memory. She was able to stand toe-to-toe with Batman in combat, why? Because after he'd used a move on her once, she had it memorized. She remembered the expression on his face, the twitch of his muscles, the stand he used. He couldn't used traditional martial arts with her, he had to improvise if he wanted to defeat her because once he tried a throw, or a certain move, she knew how to counter it Every. Single. Time.
She was never more intelligent, cunning, dangerous or interesting than when Brubaker was writing her; though I do also have a certain soft spot for Jeph Loeb's version of Selina.
It also helps that I'm a cat person...

Ivy I adore just because I can understand and relate to her.
I'm a "one-strike you're out" kind of person, and people often have to go a long way to garner my trust and respect. My general philosophy is that people are general selfish, foolish, short-sighted beings. I apply that philosophy to every person I meet. It is up to the individual to prove to me that he or she is not selfish, foolish, or short-sighted.
I'm also a major environmentalist, and one of the biggest reasons I dislike people so much is that every time I go somewhere I see more trees cut down to make room for more apartments. I see more plastic cups sitting along the shores of the lake near my house. I see more broken bottles tossed out the window along the highway.

I see all this and I wonder just what the hell is wrong with people, It's like a dove who comes to a feeding tray and craps while he's eating! People pollute their own habitat, they destroy it, irrepairably scar it, and lay waste to it on a day to day basis. It's sickening.
In Ivy I find a kindred spirit, which is why I adore her.

[EliteF50]

The Joker because he laughs for anything. And because I am The Joker He,he!

ORLY?

I'm Batman... The Elite version.

[Jason Todd]

And im Jason Todd...the...original

[EliteF50]

And im Jason Todd...the...original

:O

Jason...? I thought Joker killed you?!

[Jason Todd]

Nah...im back, thanks to Superboy-Prime, a Lazarus pit, Talia Al Gul...You know how I do it..lol

[EliteF50]

Are... are you going to... kill me?

[JawsFanJesse]

I like Joker he is My fav. Not because he Laughs at Everything its because he is like the Other side of batman and Joker has no powers and He dosen't want money or Revenge he dose not have a Motive he just wants to make a Point.

But now :( Everybody trys to act like him and it gets very Annoying

[EliteF50]

i like joker he is my fav. Not because he laughs at everything its because he is like the other side of batman and joker has no powers and he dosen't want money or revenge he dose not have a motive he just wants to make a point.

But now :( everybody trys to act like him and it gets very annoying

Bob Sagget!

...

[Jason Todd]

Are... are you going to... kill me?

Nah because you and I have similar Signatures...for this..J. Todd will spare you

[JawsFanJesse]

Bob Sagget!

...

Yes I know :(
Besides Joker is Killer Croc Then Bane

[EliteF50]

Nah because you and I have similar Signatures...for this..J. Todd will spare you

Hahaha! You make EliteBat laugh! Foolish zombie, you cannot take on EliteBat.

[EliteF50]

Yes I know :(
Besides Joker is Killer Croc Then Bane

Huh? You make EliteBat confused.

[Jason Todd]

Hahaha! You make EliteBat laugh! Foolish zombie, you cannot take on EliteBat.

hm...never really thought about the fact Jason's a zombie...I..need to be alone. :(

[EliteF50]

hm...never really thought about the fact Jason's a zombie...I..need to be alone. :(

No, you need to get a haircut! MMMMM-HHHHM.

*Snaps in Z motion*

[Jack J Napier]

My favorite villain in the dc univese is the joker. Marvel would either be Ghost or Red hulk

[The Joker 1]

I like Joker he is My fav. Not because he Laughs at Everything its because he is like the Other side of batman and Joker has no powers and He dosen't want money or Revenge he dose not have a Motive he just wants to make a Point.

But now :( Everybody trys to act like him and it gets very Annoying

Whats that in there? I heard some understandment for what The Joker said? Well, let me tell you something. I did heard some things that were a little logic for The Joker's twisted mind in The Dark Knight. Like this one: If tomorrow I tell the press that a gang-banger will get shot, or that a truck load of soldiers will be blown up, nobody panics, because it's all part of the plan. But if I say that one little old mayor will die, then everyone loses there minds! That has some logic, because we don't panic when we hear on television that more soldiers will go to war, we just think that it's so unfair and unnecesary. But if we hear something bad will happen, like a bomb or something, we really begin having fear. I would have fear. But his point is that we only have fear when we are in danger not when others that we don't know are. Well, I think that Nolan tried to bring a point with a lunatic, He,he! :D

[Jason Todd]

No, you need to get a haircut! MMMMM-HHHHM.

*Snaps in Z motion*

...Bob Sagget!!!

[EliteF50]

...Bob Sagget!!!

AYYEEE! I told you not to use EliteBat's phrase!

[Jason Todd]

AYYEEE! I told you not to use EliteBat's phrase!

Nah you didn't and you stole it from Tourette's guy. Ha ha! Jason Todd prevails again

[EliteF50]

Nah you didn't and you stole it from Tourette's guy. Ha ha! Jason Todd prevails again

Hmm, maybe EliteBat should re-think his tactics against you.

*Runs to a shadow; disappears*

[JawsFanJesse]

Wait any Villian Ever ?? I thought only Ment Batman My Favorite Villian of all time is Carnage I loved him since i was 6 :D

[EliteF50]

Wait any Villian Ever ?? I thought only Ment Batman My Favorite Villian of all time is Carnage I loved him since i was 6 :D

Just Batman. ;)

[JawsFanJesse]

Just Batman. ;)

Bob Sagget :(

[thedeadpool]

I would have to say Hush. But Im starting to like Jason Todd if he is the new Red Hood. My favorite villian if you want to call him a villian is me Deadpool!!! Oh and the yelow little boxes!

[Stargate21]

I have to go with Ra's Al Ghul as being my favorite Batman villain.

http://www.adherents.com/lit/comics/img/r/RasAlGhul.jpg

[Riddling Artist]

riddler because hes just so normal. its not like he has a permagrin, or half his face burned off, or "immortal". he just seems so human.

[brodudeman1]

I would have to say the Joker and then Bane.

[FearTheScarecrow]

Gosh, I'm gonna have to give Scarecrow some props, since no-one else will. Scarecrow rules 'cause he's the only villain that can actually scare the Batman so badly he needs psychiatric help (Dreams In Darkness). He can take anything ANYONE is scared of and expand on it until they're reduced to a blubbering baby crying for their mommy. He doesnt have to deal with the physical battles all these other villains have to fight, Scarecrow plays the mind games.

It's a shame he's been reduced to some stupid croney lackey in the new movies. ::cries a little::

[Jason Todd]

Gosh, I'm gonna have to give Scarecrow some props, since no-one else will. Scarecrow rules 'cause he's the only villain that can actually scare the Batman so badly he needs psychiatric help (Dreams In Darkness). He can take anything ANYONE is scared of and expand on it until they're reduced to a blubbering baby crying for their mommy. He doesnt have to deal with the physical battles all these other villains have to fight, Scarecrow plays the mind games.

It's a shame he's been reduced to some stupid croney lackey in the new movies. ::cries a little::

hm...I dont recall but didnt he try to scare someone and they had no fears so they just beat the hell outta him? May have been Joker

[thewrongvine]

Let's face it, if someone as big as Bane broke your spine in two, you'd be dead by now.

:rolleyes:

Correction!

Let's face it, if someone broke your spine in two, you'd be dead by now.

My favorite would be the Joker. Strange obsession with him I have. But since it seems unoriginal with you guys, I think Ra's Al Ghul would be my second favorite.

[akaWarMachine]

Poison Ivy is smart, sexy, strong and probably grows some killer Sour Diesel.
http://www.alexross.com/CP1289-Pretty-Poison.jpg

[Mr.B]

yeah, well, i'm Mr.B

you don't hear me bragging about it

[Game Weasel]

hm...I dont recall but didnt he try to scare someone and they had no fears so they just beat the hell outta him? May have been Joker

It was indeed the Joker. If I recall right, it was basically revealed that Joker is so far gone that the concept of fear is just inconceivable for him.

That also reminded me of one of the other things I love about Ivy... Joker's laughing gas, Crane's fear toxin, police tear gas, all of that... Totally useless on her. It's both amusing and utterly terrifying to think about someone who is completely immune to any sort of biological attack.

[evilmajikman]

My favorite is Joker because well, he's unpredictable. I mean the other villains are all you know. Poison Ivy has plans to kill people with plants, Freeze has plans to kill people with ice, Bane has plans to kill people with his muscles. For me, knowing less is more, and that's why I like the Joker. Not even Xavier from X-Men would be able to tell wtf the joker is thinking. Trying to get inside Jokers head is just pointless.

My second favorite would have to be Mr.Freeze I guess because I just hate winter and when I think of Mr.Freeze making everyday of the year winter, it makes me already feel ice cold.

[thedarknight2016]

I like Croc because he is the underused character that has progressed so much over the years as a villain the most (except for Catman, he got BA) and has awesome potential to be up right next to Joker and Two-Face. People see him as Gotham's merc, well that's not true, that's Firefly. Croc usually gets sucked into things by the writers at DC because they don't see how great of a character he can be (I dislike some writers of DC for this reason) and how he was the simple man with skin cancer that grew into a mutated, killing monster. Half-way there, but not close. I once made a Killer Croc: Year One story that I one day hope to pitch to some internet comic distributers (Renegade comics which I am a part of, just haven't pitched the idea yet, busy, busy, busy). Potential to be an awesome character, and he could be the missing member of Kiss is he wanted too. :p

can you post the story and i beleive it was a skin diesease

[curiousgerbil]

It's a tough choice, but I'll have to go with the Riddler.

[k1ll1ng j0k3]

I have to stick with The Joker, although he has been used and reused time and time again and the last movie increased his popularity to the point where his overwhelming overexposure was so tiresome and now we have a whole gang of adolescents that think that The Joker is cool because he is some sort of anarchist, it doesn’t matter to me, I will always love the character. I believe that he goes beyond comic books to be one of the most intriguing characters of modern literary world. The philosophy resembles that of Frederick Nietzsche and his twisted mind is so appealing to me. Another factor that I find so attractive is that he is completely free! That is impossible in the real world and even in a literal world; every person, every character is bounded to something. Batman is not free because he is haunted by the ghost of his parents and the dead of his loved ones, including Jason Todd, and his morality, but The Joker is completely free, free even from his Super-ego because he does not have that conscience that punishes his bad behavior and he seeks to please himself, sometimes even in very unrealistic ways which might indicate that he is free even from the ego itself.

[CaptainMcMulla]

The Joker, i have too many things about him. He is funny, sadistic, mad-man, the list will just go on.

[KillerCroc]

can you post the story and i beleive it was a skin diesease No it was skin cancer in all versions I heard and read. I don't know, I am in Renegade Comics so we might do it.

[bouncybullet]

two face.

[angleslam99]

The Joker because he laughs for anything. And because I am The Joker He,he!

Seek help

[GibsonSGBat]

Id have to say bane or riddler.

[Pibbman]

Male Villian: Joker, especially so when it involves Mark Hamill. I'd say Mr. Freeze is in a close second.

Female Villian: This one is actually a tie between Harley Quinn and Cat Woman. Harley because of her obsession with the Joker, and how she is very sweet around him. Even though she is pretty crazy herself, she is pretty much a stark contrast to the Joker in some ways when shes around him.

Catwoman, well because she is probably the most levelheaded female villian. She has her heart in the right place, but how she goes about solving the problems is wrong. Plus who doesn't like a woman in tight spandex?

[Elpy]

I love the Joker for some of the things he's done, both in the movies and in the comics.

I was watching a French fan film called Ashes to Ashes, and the Joker was pretty sick in that movie; tying and gagging a man whilst having wild sex with his cheating wife.

He always makes the scenario's entertaining, diverse and thrilling.

[scarecrow22]

do i really have to say it?
just the thought of twisting peoples fears against them is so sadisticly awesome

[Gee]

Gotta be the Riddler, I don't know why.

[Kai Rei]

My favorite [male] villains are usually Bane or Scarecrow, depending on my mood.

Bane, for some of the reasons Elite added. Bane's broken the Batmans back and his will before, which ranks him up there on the list of DC's American badasses.

And Scarecrow because I love how despite being a scrawny "pencil-neck", using his fear toxin he can still bring down large and powerful individuals such as Bane. [assuming, I wonder if it's ever happened?]


As for female villains, it would have to be Harley Quinn for her sexy characteristics and voice, her crazy mallet she uses on people, and just her overall design. She's even greater when teamed up with Ivy, who is another great villainess for the reasons Game Weasle posted above.

[amadeus_arkham]

joker, especially jack nicholson

[batmanthedarkknight]

it's a tie for me between joker and the riddler

[Linconan]

joker, especially jack nicholson

Agreed, movie wise.

Though good acting from Heath, the crown will always remain with Jack.

[Abandoned Nightmare]

Male Villian: Joker, especially so when it involves Mark Hamill. I'd say Mr. Freeze is in a close second.

.

Catwoman, well because she is probably the most levelheaded female villian. She has her heart in the right place, but how she goes about solving the problems is wrong. Plus who doesn't like a woman in tight spandex?


I Know i Do Like A Woman In Tight Spandex :D

I Agree But Second Comes Scarecrow

[Bruce-Wayne]

:O

Jason...? I thought Joker killed you?!

holy alternate identities batman and im you alter ego WOW

[umibozu]

Joker, mad hatter, poison ivy and bane

[Lockdown325]

Mr. Freeze loved him since i was a kid, he's awesome, atleast, not the Batman ad Robin one......FAIL
I like the animated Freeze.:)

[scarecrow29]

Scarecrow. I've always found him interesting. Physical wounds can heal, but mental scars may never go away, and that's what makes Scarecrow almost the most dangerous villain. Also, Dr. Crane is by no means a dumb criminal; he knows what he's doing, and he uses his smarts for his personal gain. And we can all relate with him, as we've all been bullied in our lives, and probably wanted to get revenge against our enemies, but Crane just gave into his cravings a bit too easily. That, and he's one of the more realistic villains as well. There obviously are drugs out there that can make people hallucinate, and a few of them can bring out chemicals in the body to make us afraid.

[D.A.V.E.]

I've recently developed a taste for Scarecrow. A friend of mine is a HUGE fan of him, and he convinced me to like him too.

Same with Maxie Zeus. He's the only villain who's crazier than Joker! That's quite an achievement.

[NoMoarDedCawpz]

Im a fan of Killer Moth.
He reminds me of a serious version of Arthur from The Tick.

I first came across him in Lego Batman The VideoGame...really thought he was awesome.
After that i started checking out comics and even picked up the action figure.

An awesome character!

[the scarecrow]

scarecrow

[D.A.V.E.]

Agreed with Killer Moth. Though I watched Killer Moth in Teen Titans, I wasn't a fan until I watched him in The Batman, and enjoyed him in that. He's like the "Little Engine That Could" of Villany.

Hopefully he gets a small, nonspeaking cameo in this game, or a role in the sequel.

[kazinya91]

for me i know its played out but i have to say its the joker.mostly because he is nuttier then squirrel ***** and i love how he has no want for material things he just wants chaos that the part about the joker i love he is the chaos factor.

[SalmonKing]

Man-Bat, just cause I liked him when I was younger...

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/19739/763362-198461_142368_man_bat_super_large.jpg

[HG131]

Harley, Ivy, Joker, and Two-Face. Quite simply, they are the coolest, and most elaborate villains around.

[chadam813]

To me The Joker will always be my favorite male villain and female villainess Harley Quinn, second fav male villain Bane all the way

[HarlenQuinn]

harlyey quinn

[BatmanOfTheFuture]

I would have to say KILLER CROC

[Kai Rei]

Man-Bat, just cause I liked him when I was younger...

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/1/19739/763362-198461_142368_man_bat_super_large.jpg

Agreed. Man-Bat is another favorite villain of mine. He's kind of like "The American Werewolf In London" of Gotham save for the fact that he's a bat and not a wolf, but what I'm implying is that Just like the man who becomes a werewolf in his movie, Kirk Langstrom becomes the monster in the Batman series.

Both men violently turn into animalistic beasts, basically. :p

[A Dark Hunter]

So many!

Hmmmm my favorites would have to be Clayface, Scarecrow, Bane, Two-Face, Harley Quinn, Joker, and Hush.

[SolidSnake_123]

Bane.. Because even though he's so big and strong he's so intelligent, i mean he broke the bat's back, thats gotta count for something, also his origins are so interesting with the military tests and venom are sweet. My favorite with the Joker as a close runner-up.:cool:

[E.Nygma]

Strange, I have this feeling like I've already replied in this thread, and yet I didn't...

1) THE RIDDLER
Superpowers, superstrenght, bha, they're all toys. The Riddler uses what REALLY is an human being's most dangerous weapon: intelligence. This makes him the best villain in my opinion. Nothing is more dangerous and nothing can be scarier than the power of the human brain. Unfortunately, I saw that a lot of times this character is represented as some pathetic nerd wearing some kind of ridiculous pijama. Nah, I disagree. I think the Riddler should be a lot more like the classy, smart, outgoing, apparently sane person we see in the '90s animated series:
http://riddler.batbad.com/sketch_nygma_right.gif
...Now that was how the Riddler should be. Add to that the obsessive insanity and stalking side that the character had in that otherwise extremely awful "Batman Forever" movie, and you've got the perfect Riddler and one of the most charismatic comic book villains.

2) TWO-FACE
He is actually kind of a silly, somewhat childish character, if you ask me. But I'm just in love with his visual design. His split personality and the fact he decides everything just by the toss of a coin, spices him up.
http://thehealingtouch.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/two_face_piece.jpg

3) THE PENGUIN
He's, like, the only one of the Batman series' villains who is not completely insane? That already makes him quite special. When everyone in a series is a raving maniac, the one character who is somewhat mentally sane ends up being the one that stands out. I really liked his monstrous design in the Tim Burton movie.
http://manolobig.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/penguin.jpg
...Besides, he loves birds. That already makes him awesome.

[Kai Rei]

Strange, I have this feeling like I've already replied in this thread, and yet I didn't...

1) THE RIDDLER
Superpowers, superstrenght, bha, they're all toys. The Riddler uses what REALLY is an human being's most dangerous weapon: intelligence. This makes him the best villain in my opinion. Nothing is more dangerous and nothing can be scarier than the power of the human brain. Unfortunately, I saw that a lot of times this character is represented as some pathetic nerd wearing some kind of ridiculous pijama. Nah, I disagree. I think the Riddler should be a lot more like the classy, smart, outgoing, apparently sane person we see in the '90s animated series:
http://riddler.batbad.com/sketch_nygma_right.gif
...Now that was how the Riddler should be. Add to that the obsessive insanity and stalking side that the character had in that otherwise extremely awful "Batman Forever" movie, and you've got the perfect Riddler and one of the most charismatic comic book villains.

2) TWO-FACE
He is actually kind of a silly, somewhat childish character, if you ask me. But I'm just in love with his visual design. His split personality and the fact he decides everything just by the toss of a coin, spices him up.
http://thehealingtouch.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/two_face_piece.jpg

3) THE PENGUIN
He's, like, the only one of the Batman series' villains who is not completely insane? That already makes him quite special. When everyone in a series is a raving maniac, the one character who is somewhat mentally sane ends up being the one that stands out. I really liked his monstrous design in the Tim Burton movie.
http://manolobig.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/penguin.jpg
...Besides, he loves birds. That already makes him awesome.

Nice choices, but for the record, Catwoman and Bane aren't insane either, so Penguin ain't the only one. :D

[Sir Legendhead]

Bane.

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s173/sirlegendhead/banejail.jpg

[E.Nygma]

Nice choices, but for the record, Catwoman and Bane aren't insane either, so Penguin ain't the only one. :D


My impression of Catwoman is the one I got from the Tim Burton movie, and the one that stood with me. So I see her as being as insane as Batman is (which is why the two of them are good together): not quite completely crazy, but there still is something slightly wrong with an adult who goes around every night wearing an animal costume. So, I don't see her as very normal.
But I'm sure comic books and other medias gave many other different interpretations of her, just as with almost every character of the Batman universe.

As of Bane...... alas, I don't know him. The first time I heard of him? In this videogame. :P

[Kai Rei]

My impression of Catwoman is the one I got from the Tim Burton movie, and the one that stood with me. So I see her as being as insane as Batman is (which is why the two of them are good together): not quite completely crazy, but there still is something slightly wrong with an adult who goes around every night wearing an animal costume. So, I don't see her as very normal.
But I'm sure comic books and other medias gave many other different interpretations of her, just as with almost every character of the Batman universe.

As of Bane...... alas, I don't know him. The first time I heard of him? In this videogame. :P

You do make a good point there actually, as in reality, both Catwoman and Bane wouldn't be "sane" be any stretch of the imagination.

Catwoman, for the reasons you stated and Bane, simply put, because he murders people. It doesn't matter to him how he does it, because he's a simian leg breaker of sorts, but to me any "normal criminal" who murders people to prove a point has clearly lost it.

[Sir Legendhead]

As of Bane...... alas, I don't know him. The first time I heard of him? In this videogame. :PTrust me. This was the best Batman villain ever.

http://scoop.diamondgalleries.com/public/news_images/4/79474_195955_12.jpg

[E.Nygma]

and Bane, simply put, because he murders people. It doesn't matter to him how he does it, because he's a simian leg breaker of sorts, but to me any "normal criminal" who murders people to prove a point has clearly lost it.


The Penguin murders people, but he's not insane, he's just a criminal. The matter here is: why Bane murders people. If it's only to "prove a point", then I guess he is indeed touched in the head.



Trust me. This was the best Batman villain ever.

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Mmmh, I don't know... visually, he's not giving me a good impression. He doesn't stand out for having a particularly clever design... he's.... a buff dude with a mask...?

I suppose he compensates the lack of visual charm, with a good background story or a complex personality??

[Kai Rei]

The Penguin murders people, but he's not insane, he's just a criminal. The matter here is: why Bane murders people. If it's only to "prove a point", then I guess he is indeed touched in the head.

Exactly. :D

Bane was, I believe, a Mexican wrestler-turned criminal for some reason, and he once released ALL of Batmans villains from Arkham and waited for Batman to be worn-down and exhausted after the battle, then once Batman got to that state, Bane simply ambushed Bruce in his own home and broke his will and his back.

Bane is one of Batmans most... knowledgeable foes of all time.

Edit, and he had to server his dead fathers Santa Prisca prison sentence from a young age, and went through a really rough life from there surviving in prison, until he was used as an experiment to test the venom drug. Because of all his mental training, he survived the experiment...

So I'm not really sure where the "Mexican wrestler" part comes in...

[Sir Legendhead]

So basically, you guys are telling me that I'm the only one here who has read Vengeance of Bane.

[Onomatopoeia]

Clayface
Hush
Croc
Joker
Bane
Zsasz
Reaper
Hugo Strange
Two-Face
Mr. Freeze



In no particular order, of course.

[deathsshadow]

harley quinn.
is my favorite american comic book character of all time.
I prefer manga.

[Joker's Jolly Jester]

if i had to pick it would be Killer moth, scarecrow, joker, bane, and harley
if i had to pick just one harley FTW

[Game Weasel]

Just a pet peeve of mine, as a psych major I want to make it known here: Being willing to murder, or actually killing someone does not make you insane. Dressing up in a costume to commit a crime doesn't make you insane either.

Just because a person does something that you, personally, could not imagine or understand, doesn't mean they're out of their mind. Insanity is far more complex than that.
The Tim Burton version of Catwoman most certainly is insane; but not because she dresses up like a cat and runs around at night on roof tops. It's because she ripped apart her whole ward robe to make the costume, giggling and muttering to herself as she did it. It's because she was often talking to her own reflection and her cats; because she stuffed a live bird in her own mouth to try and goad the Penguin, and because she had no regard for her own life and truly had come to believe herself to have nine lives.

Penguin in Tim Burton's flicks actually displayed many signs of psychosis himself.

Actually it was The Joker that seemed to be the only sane villain. He may as well have been just a mobster in make up with a power-hungry possessive streak.

[CaptainMcMulla]

i listed just the joker earlier on because hes my favourite. However i do like scarecrow alot along with bane

[E.Nygma]

Just a pet peeve of mine, as a psych major I want to make it known here: Being willing to murder, or actually killing someone does not make you insane. Dressing up in a costume to commit a crime doesn't make you insane either.

Just because a person does something that you, personally, could not imagine or understand, doesn't mean they're out of their mind. Insanity is far more complex than that.
The Tim Burton version of Catwoman most certainly is insane; but not because she dresses up like a cat and runs around at night on roof tops. It's because she ripped apart her whole ward robe to make the costume, giggling and muttering to herself as she did it. It's because she was often talking to her own reflection and her cats; because she stuffed a live bird in her own mouth to try and goad the Penguin, and because she had no regard for her own life and truly had come to believe herself to have nine lives.

Penguin in Tim Burton's flicks actually displayed many signs of psychosis himself.

Actually it was The Joker that seemed to be the only sane villain. He may as well have been just a mobster in make up with a power-hungry possessive streak.


Interesting post.
Of course, we all know that it's not just wearing a weird costume that defines you as an insane person (otherwise, all cosplayers are crazy - hey, wait a minute... :P ). We know that Catwoman was mad because of those reasons you described. But the secret identity and the fancy costume element, in Tim Burton's movie, and sometimes in the Batman universe (depending on the current author), is the key to define the character as being "outside" the normality. Notice when in the dance scene, Catwoman and Batman are really the only ones not wearing a mask: when everyone is masked, they define their anormality by not being masked.
As of Penguin, he's not insane at all. Just very bitter, and has lived an hard life without a moral upbringing.

The Joker.... yes, sometimes to me he does seem a mostly sane person that just likes to ACT crazy. His schemes and his way of speaking are sometimes too smart for a psychopatic maniac? That's also another reason why I don't like the Joker very much. I can't seem to be able to define him. Is he a gangster, or is he a psychopath?

[Kingblivious]

My favorite would have to be Joker, for obvious reasons. After him, I'd say Bane, followed by all the others. :cool:

[Mr_Scarecrow_Goes_To_Town]

Mine of course would be Scarecrow. :D

[vinny d123]

scarecrow is cool looking but is not so powerful... but other than him clayface. he is nearly is unstoppable.

[scarecrow13]

scarecrow. i love the idea of scaring the hell out of people. even if the fear toxin doesn't work on the joker or poison ivy it's still really cool. also they portray him as not being good in hand to hand combat in the new movies so i can relate to him. scaring people is fun... :whistle:

[scarecrow22]

wow everyone is forgetting the true coolest villain... the condiment king!!!

[tonyx1]

Catwoman and Poison Ivy are dead even for me.

Catwoman I've always loved. I loved her for being one of the few villains in Batman's Rogues gallery who wasn't totally insane.
She's just a woman who knows how to run a theme... And she was a lot cooler back in the 90s than she is now. This is a thief, gymnast and martial artist who had a photographic memory. She was able to stand toe-to-toe with Batman in combat, why? Because after he'd used a move on her once, she had it memorized. She remembered the expression on his face, the twitch of his muscles, the stand he used. He couldn't used traditional martial arts with her, he had to improvise if he wanted to defeat her because once he tried a throw, or a certain move, she knew how to counter it Every. Single. Time.
She was never more intelligent, cunning, dangerous or interesting than when Brubaker was writing her; though I do also have a certain soft spot for Jeph Loeb's version of Selina.
It also helps that I'm a cat person...

Ivy I adore just because I can understand and relate to her.
I'm a "one-strike you're out" kind of person, and people often have to go a long way to garner my trust and respect. My general philosophy is that people are general selfish, foolish, short-sighted beings. I apply that philosophy to every person I meet. It is up to the individual to prove to me that he or she is not selfish, foolish, or short-sighted.
I'm also a major environmentalist, and one of the biggest reasons I dislike people so much is that every time I go somewhere I see more trees cut down to make room for more apartments. I see more plastic cups sitting along the shores of the lake near my house. I see more broken bottles tossed out the window along the highway.

I see all this and I wonder just what the hell is wrong with people, It's like a dove who comes to a feeding tray and craps while he's eating! People pollute their own habitat, they destroy it, irrepairably scar it, and lay waste to it on a day to day basis. It's sickening.
In Ivy I find a kindred spirit, which is why I adore her.


In a way, I see what your talking about with Poison Ivy. Where I say people are always cutting down trees to make apartments and bussiness and just makes me sick to my stomach. When I hear about how different kind of forest animals be coming inside of people's house or apartments, they wonder how it happened. I'll tell you how it happened.
People be cutting down animals homes, that's what happened. It's so Not Cool!

But my favorite bad guys are "The Bad Girls". Poison Ivy,Harley Quinn and others.

[RedHoodSecondSon]

Mine's proabably Riddler, John Glover did a great job voicing him in BTAS as did Robert Egerlund in The Batman (its only saving grace) both also had intresting takes on the character, Wronged enterpuneur (sp?) from BTAS and Jilted and humlitated scientist from the Batman.

Although i can't help but feel saddened that there's no love for the Ventriloquist as of yet, he always struck me as a very intresting foe for Batman, i mean how awesome would it be to blame all your robberies/murders on another personaality?

[cplgiffin]

Definitely Bane and The Joker. The Joker 'cause he is not like the other villains. He is always making jokes and laughing but he is still evil. And Bane because he is super tough.:D

[Maxii]

Mine would have to be Joker and Bane :)

[LemonLoafer]

I like Scarecrow because he doesn't use jokes or conflict to kill Batman as others do, he uses fear as does Batman himself. It's intresting to see the fear in people's minds.

[Jay Prospero]

In order...

1. Joker
2. Harley Quinn
3. Catwoman
4. Riddler
5. Poison Ivy
6. Penguin
7. Bane

The rest I like about the same

[Turn and Face the Strange]

Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow

'Cos I want to be a doctor of forensic psychiatry, and seeing an evil forensic psychiatrist (at least, he is in the Nolanverse) manipulating people's fears and phobias and using them as weapons is just disturbing and incredibly cool at the same time.

There is nothing to fear but Scarecrow himself

[LemonLoafer]

Iz right.

[Zur-En-Arrh]

Just a pet peeve of mine, as a psych major I want to make it known here: Being willing to murder, or actually killing someone does not make you insane. Dressing up in a costume to commit a crime doesn't make you insane either.

Just because a person does something that you, personally, could not imagine or understand, doesn't mean they're out of their mind. Insanity is far more complex than that.

Mass murder isn't insane? Hmm. I think it's not entirely unreasonable to consider The Joker as "insane" since he is a mass murderer who flaunts the societal norm in a flagrant, bloody way. He certainly has sociopathic tendencies, surely?

No offence but psychology is often criticized as a pseudo-science since a lot of theories are based on things that cannot be measured and lack empirical evidence (emotions, thinking etc); many diagnoses, certainly not all, are arbitrary at best.

Not only that but isn't the label "insanity" defined by the society and time in which said insane person is in? For instance, slaves in America (the land of the free, ironically) who wanted to escape were considered insane, whilst Psikhushka hospitals in Russia were used to hide and silence political opponents under the banner of being schizophrenic. In those societies those people are considered legitimately insane. Some great thinkers believe that labels like “sane” and “insane” are mechanisms of social control.

Pet peeve of mine - heh, heh, heh.

[scarecrow22]

There is nothing to fear but Scarecrow himself

hahahaha :lol:

[E.Nygma]

Mass murder isn't insane? Hmm. I think it's not entirely unreasonable to consider The Joker as "insane" since he is a mass murderer who flaunts the societal norm in a flagrant, bloody way. He certainly has sociopathic tendencies, surely?

No offence but psychology is often criticized as a pseudo-science since a lot of theories are based on things that cannot be measured and lack empirical evidence (emotions, thinking etc); many diagnoses, certainly not all, are arbitrary at best.

Not only that but isn't the label "insanity" defined by the society and time in which said insane person is in? For instance, slaves in America (the land of the free, ironically) who wanted to escape were considered insane, whilst Psikhushka hospitals in Russia were used to hide and silence political opponents under the banner of being schizophrenic. In those societies those people are considered legitimately insane. Some great thinkers believe that labels like “sane” and “insane” are mechanisms of social control.

Pet peeve of mine - heh, heh, heh.

So interesting, I'm almost tempted to go offtopic and make a general discussion about psyche, psychiatry, psychology and other psych-things. :D

Personally, I think "sanity" and "insanity" exist, or we wouldn't name them. The trouble is what the word stands for. Someone who thinks himself to be Napoleon is clearly insane. But there are much subtler kinds of insanity, which is why one could even arrive to the point of thinking that the Joker (who should be the emblem of insanity) is actually almost perfectly sane.

Anyway, to keep this on topic, I think the sanity/insanity of the characters in Gotham City depends, again, on who is the author depicting them (and the time and era on which they're writing the specific comic/movie/else). Some author may decide that Batman is an hero. Another author that Batman is a sociopath. Same goes for all the characters. This is why sometimes I have difficulty understanding american comics - each of their characters never is one, but many, since he or she changes depending on the current author's interpretation.

I think we could speculate wether certain characters are sane or not in THIS videogame, and the interpretation it gives of them.

[Kai Rei]

Mass murder isn't insane? Hmm. I think it's not entirely unreasonable to consider The Joker as "insane" since he is a mass murderer who flaunts the societal norm in a flagrant, bloody way. He certainly has sociopathic tendencies, surely?

No offence but psychology is often criticized as a pseudo-science since a lot of theories are based on things that cannot be measured and lack empirical evidence (emotions, thinking etc); many diagnoses, certainly not all, are arbitrary at best.

Not only that but isn't the label "insanity" defined by the society and time in which said insane person is in? For instance, slaves in America (the land of the free, ironically) who wanted to escape were considered insane, whilst Psikhushka hospitals in Russia were used to hide and silence political opponents under the banner of being schizophrenic. In those societies those people are considered legitimately insane. Some great thinkers believe that labels like “sane” and “insane” are mechanisms of social control.

Pet peeve of mine - heh, heh, heh.

"Some great thinkers beleive that labels like "sane" and "insane" are mechanisms of social controle"

I believe this to be true.

What if one day the small minority of "insane" people suddenly grew and overtook the population to such an extent that the insane took controle?

Would the "sane" people be labeled insane by the so called "insane" people themselves?

And like you said, the term insane is used too often and too loosly, and cannot really be measured. Everybodys differnet n' all.

[Azkadellia93]

my favorite Batman villain would have to be the Riddler. BTW i think the next Batman film (if there is) should have a Riddler who is portrayed like Hannibal Lector & the villain from the Saw films.:hmm:

[E.Nygma]

my favorite Batman villain would have to be the Riddler. BTW i think the next Batman film (if there is) should have a Riddler who is portrayed like Hannibal Lector & the villain from the Saw films.:hmm:

I disagree. Why would he need to be turned into a darker, gorey character? That just wouldn't be the Riddler.
The Riddler is already fine as he is. He's just way too classy for mere psychopatic gore and bloodshed. His villain side comes from his obsession with proving his intelligence, expecially to Batman. The creepy factor in him comes from his subtle compulsive, egocentric way of thinking. NOT because he does gorey stuff. On this, the animated cartoon version of that character was just perfect: I've just very recently saw "Riddler's reform" on youtuber. And The Riddler there was depicted PERFECTLY. He was such a social, brilliant, charming, successful character, and yet you could always see the madness seething under him.

My point is, the Riddler should be subtle in his ways. Somehow, Hannibal and the Saw guy aren't exactly subtle. Hannibal ate humans, and even if I didn't see the Saw movies, I think I know that the villain there is a person who forces his victim to go through horrible pains. How can one possibly compare the Riddler to those two???????

Then again, maybe I'm just too old school. I still think that an evil character doesn't necessarily need to do gruesome acts of violence in order to look creepy or disturbing.

[Zur-En-Arrh]

So interesting, I'm almost tempted to go offtopic and make a general discussion about psyche, psychiatry, psychology and other psych-things. :D

Quite appropriate for an Arkham Asylum message board. Go for it.


Personally, I think "sanity" and "insanity" exist, or we wouldn't name them.

Lot's of things that don't exist have names. Examples: Odin, Stocks & Shares, Democracy, Lyndsy Lohan etc.

Someone who thinks himself to be Napoleon is clearly insane.

Except Napoleon, of course. Although he thought he was a sparrow - true story.


But there are much subtler kinds of insanity, which is why one could even arrive to the point of thinking that the Joker (who should be the emblem of insanity) is actually almost perfectly sane.

I like the Grant Morrisson interpretation of The Joker being super-sane, so sure.


Anyway, to keep this on topic, I think the sanity/insanity of the characters in Gotham City depends, again, on who is the author depicting them (and the time and era on which they're writing the specific comic/movie/else). Some author may decide that Batman is an hero. Another author that Batman is a sociopath. Same goes for all the characters. This is why sometimes I have difficulty understanding american comics - each of their characters never is one, but many, since he or she changes depending on the current author's interpretation.

I think we could speculate wether certain characters are sane or not in THIS videogame, and the interpretation it gives of them.

Well put. American comics, particularly Batman, have myth-like qualities. There are a few pure, key factors that remain (the death of the parents, the pearls, the gun, the Bat through the window, rich kid etc) whichever format or time you set it in.

[Zur-En-Arrh]

"Some great thinkers beleive that labels like "sane" and "insane" are mechanisms of social controle"

I believe this to be true.

What if one day the small minority of "insane" people suddenly grew and overtook the population to such an extent that the insane took controle?

Would the "sane" people be labeled insane by the so called "insane" people themselves?

And like you said, the term insane is used too often and too loosly, and cannot really be measured. Everybodys differnet n' all.

*salutes*

Back on topic - I like The Joker; he promotes intresting disscussions and is as flexible a symbol as Batman himself. Shoot me for my lack of originality, though.

[scarecrow13]

i'm gonna give the ventriloquist some points here since no one else is... he's not my favorite but he's pretty cool. Scarface is the dummy's name if i'm not mistaken.

[Azkadellia93]

I disagree. Why would he need to be turned into a darker, gorey character? That just wouldn't be the Riddler.
The Riddler is already fine as he is. He's just way too classy for mere psychopatic gore and bloodshed. His villain side comes from his obsession with proving his intelligence, expecially to Batman. The creepy factor in him comes from his subtle compulsive, egocentric way of thinking. NOT because he does gorey stuff. On this, the animated cartoon version of that character was just perfect: I've just very recently saw "Riddler's reform" on youtuber. And The Riddler there was depicted PERFECTLY. He was such a social, brilliant, charming, successful character, and yet you could always see the madness seething under him.

My point is, the Riddler should be subtle in his ways. Somehow, Hannibal and the Saw guy aren't exactly subtle. Hannibal ate humans, and even if I didn't see the Saw movies, I think I know that the villain there is a person who forces his victim to go through horrible pains. How can one possibly compare the Riddler to those two???????

Then again, maybe I'm just too old school. I still think that an evil character doesn't necessarily need to do gruesome acts of violence in order to look creepy or disturbing.

I respect your decision really i do:o but what i actually meant was that Riddler's personality would somewhat be like Hannibal and his traps would be more dangerous and much more life threatening. btw your not old school.

[Batman_Sauce024]

My personal favorite is Two-Face.

[E.Nygma]

Well put. American comics, particularly Batman, have myth-like qualities. There are a few pure, key factors that remain (the death of the parents, the pearls, the gun, the Bat through the window, rich kid etc) whichever format or time you set it in.


Good thinking; I hadn't thought about comparing them to myths. But it's true... like with ancient myths, the same character could be different depending on the author.

To discuss the "sanity/insanity of the characters in this videogame", it appears that in there, all of the main villains and then even Batman himself are a bit touched in the head. Makes sense for a game set into an asylum. Considering the game's authors said they took inspiration from "The Killing Joke" (which was very bad because it demistified the Joker in a very unsatisfying manner - but which was good because it presented batman to be almost no different than his archenemy), and considering that already in the demo the Joker has made comments about Batman's weirdness... I can assume the possible insanity of Batman may be a recurring theme in the plot.
Besides, am I the only one who thought that those shadowy bats which appear everytime you knock an enemy, are an hallucination that Batman is having....?


I respect your decision really i do:o but what i actually meant was that Riddler's personality would somewhat be like Hannibal and his traps would be more dangerous and much more life threatening. btw your not old school.

I understand you point, I guess. :)
But, if I am correctly interpretating this screenshot, you won't have to worry about how the Riddler is in this game:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/2008/255/952337_20080912_screen016.jpg

I'm kind of slightly surprised that the Riddler leaves blood around, but those are question marks, and that on the wall is a riddle. Mmh, I'm curious.

[welshy80]

Jonathan Crane/Scarecrow

'Cos I want to be a doctor of forensic psychiatry, and seeing an evil forensic psychiatrist (at least, he is in the Nolanverse) manipulating people's fears and phobias and using them as weapons is just disturbing and incredibly cool at the same time.

There is nothing to fear but Scarecrow himself

actually in the nolanverse dr crane studies psycopharmacology not sure what that means though

[BatM24]

Mine would be Mr. Freeze. love how he's a skinny Science "Nerd", then his accident turns him into a cold hearted man (literly speaking).





Another fav Villian is, well don't think she's a villian as much she is the daughter of one of Batman's villians. Talia Ghul. She's sexy and reminds me of Emma Frost. Just so.. gourgoues and yet so fancy.


Another villian is Clayface. I love the fact that he can change into anyone, yet he's tragic because he escapes Police and (sometimes) Batman by having to change his appearance and his personality. That has to build up and then pop with so many personalities and appearances.


And of course Man-Bat. Love the concept of changing into a monster or a human/giant creature.



See if I choose just one, then.... Two-Face. Funny story. Never really cared or gave much study into him. But when I saw The Dark Knight version, the effects were stunning. And I also feel sorry for him.

[Zur-En-Arrh]

I can assume the possible insanity of Batman may be a recurring theme in the plot.
Besides, am I the only one who thought that those shadowy bats which appear everytime you knock an enemy, are an hallucination that Batman is having....?


Probably more like 'Serious House on Serious Earth' than 'Killing Joke' in that respect. I love Alan Moore but that story does damage The Joker a little. I'm really digging Morrison's Joker/Bowie monster. Much more like it.

Also: Bat's as his hallucination? I wish I'd thought of that!

[scarecrow13]

actually in the nolanverse dr crane studies psycopharmacology not sure what that means though
psychopharmacology is the study of drug-induced changes in mood, behavior, and thinking. it focuses primarily on the psychoactive and chemical interactions with the brain. so that's what his toxin does............... just letting everyone know............

[SolidSnake_123]

Its the Mad Hatter, Zsasz and Calendar man. They are all flippin psycho's. one is obsessed with dates and holidays, one thinks the world is Alice in wonderland, and the other one murders everyday and tallies them up by carving mark into his body...

[vicsage]

I'm glad there aren't a bunch of people who are just writing "Joker" everywhere.

He's Batman's archenemy and a great villain but in my opinion, he's a bit overused.

My favorites:

Mad Hatter-He's a pedophile (depending on the incarnation) living in his own storybook dreamland, hypnotizing, drugging and even pimping children. In many ways, one of Batman's most insane and disturbing villains simply because of what he does. Not so much a threat physically.

Bane-He's a skilled tactician who is an almost unstoppable force of destruction. Not just a mindless muscleman. Plus, how many villains do you know who physically "Broke the Bat"? He's one of the few who's actually come close to eliminating our favorite hero.

Scarecrow-The power to control someone through their fears is just brilliant. I think the Nolan films did a great disservice to the character. This game really portrayed him in his full glory with his frightening appearance and made him a real threat to Batman instead of some second-banana enemy like in Begins and The Dark Knight. He could be the sole villain in a film.

[vicsage]

Its the Mad Hatter, Zsasz and Calendar man. They are all flippin psycho's. one is obsessed with dates and holidays, one thinks the world is Alice in wonderland, and the other one murders everyday and tallies them up by carving mark into his body...

Always nice to see some Calendar Man love.

:cool:

[warvibe24]

Mine would have to be Kevin Conroy he is a villain he is batman he is a super hero he is EVERYTHING!!

No but seriously probably dead shot or joker. Dead Shot because i love that he has like 99 %percent accuracy and joker because well... he's joker lol

[B2ru7]

My favorites are The Joker and Scarecrow.

[harley quinn 1990]

i really like harley, as you can tell by my name lol. but i can really relate to her, sometimes i can love a little too much =) and im really violent lol

[stubs182]

http://thefaust.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/riddler.jpg

with Hush and Joker as close seconds

[Mr_Scarecrow_Goes_To_Town]

Scarecrow was my favorite, but now my new favorite villain has to be Firefly.

[SolidSnake_123]

Scarecrow was my favorite, but now my new favorite villain has to be Firefly.

Really, well now you can expect a cameo in my fan fic, its all about the fans... haha.

[ThatGuyHarris]

The Joker, easily. He's actually had some success unlike most villians who simply get beat up and tossed back into jail ad nasuem. Killing Jason Todd, Sarah Essen Gordon, and crippling Barbara Gordon are all classic moments to me, most of which have had long lasting ramifications on the Batman universe. Plus I actually find the Joker to be funny.

[Arkhamar]

Scarecrow, for all the above aforementioned reasons. But I would like to see Black Mask, Prometheus, Great White Shark, Firefly, or Hush come to life in a game or movie!

[Prince Daka]

My favorite villain has been The Riddler for awhile now. My favorite portrayal of the character came from Frank Gorshin. He made the character popular, & that portrayal (in the 60s batman show) convinced me that the Riddler was completely bizarre, insane, a genius, and someone who really got on Batman's nerves. I think what makes him a dark character is how he doesn't really care about anyone and people are just game pieces (most that he deem unworthy of the game). He is hateful, but with a delightful personality. He doesn't care to kill many people, he'd rather trap them, mess with their head, humiliate them, & make a lot of money in the process. I also find Riddler to be funnier than Joker, & his character flaw is rather amusing because anyone who ever had bad OCD knows how self-defeating it can be. I kind of wonder what his spoiled final plan was in the story mode of AA. He should have set explosives in the trophies & blew up Arkham...

Oh, & Echo & Query, the 2 riddler girls, are my favorite female villains in Batman ever.

I also really like Scarecrow because he gives people bad trips, & Scarface/Ventriloquist because it's a very unique idea to have a weak gangster guy have a multiple personality disorder to create a more aggressive personality in his dummy.

[faceofmonkey]

my favorite is zsaz because someone who needs to kill must have an interesting back story

[Prince Daka]

my favorite is zsaz because someone who needs to kill must have an interesting back story

ever notice how he prefers to kill women?

[nealsaviking]

This was a tough one so I got a few. They are in no specific order, just my top 6:

1)Scarecrow-- He can alter your mind and bring out your greatest fears.

2)Joker-- The villain who does everything with a smile on his face. He is set out just to prove everyone is corruptable, including Batman. Plus, although it is different in the comics, if you go by the Dark Knight movie he gave us Two Face.

3)The Riddler-- A normal guy who is just very smart. Although Jim Carey ruined him, he was a great villain who made many comic series longer, like the Hush one for example, by just leaving Batman without a clue.

4)Bane-- The story of his past is excellent. And he broke Batman's spine which puts him in top 5.

5)Poison Ivy-- She is irresistible and even gained control of Superman. Not to mention she can control plants.

6)Harley Quinn*-- I know you all are probably like "WHAT?!" but she got the closest to killing Batman. She would have done it if the Joker hadn't saved him. But other than that I think she's annoying.

[hunter1014]

I like Catwoman the best. Reason being ..She's pretty..Pretty and dangerous..I like the colorful characters like the Joker as well..Joker, Riddler,Catwoman, and Poison Ivy..The rest are good too.but the ones mention are my Favs.

[Prince Daka]

This was a tough one so I got a few. They are in no specific order, just my top 6:

1)Scarecrow-- He can alter your mind and bring out your greatest fears.

2)Joker-- The villain who does everything with a smile on his face. He is set out just to prove everyone is corruptable, including Batman. Plus, although it is different in the comics, if you go by the Dark Knight movie he gave us Two Face.

3)The Riddler-- A normal guy who is just very smart. Although Jim Carey ruined him, he was a great villain who made many comic series longer, like the Hush one for example, by just leaving Batman without a clue.

4)Bane-- The story of his past is excellent. And he broke Batman's spine which puts him in top 5.

5)Poison Ivy-- She is irresistible and even gained control of Superman. Not to mention she can control plants.

6)Harley Quinn*-- I know you all are probably like "WHAT?!" but she got the closest to killing Batman. She would have done it if the Joker hadn't saved him. But other than that I think she's annoying.


Harley was using Joker's plan though. All she thought of was figuring out a way to make the piranhas look like they were all smiling from Batman's POV.

& Jim Carrey didn't ruin the Riddler character imo. He based the character off Frank Gorshin's Riddler. Most people think Jim is playing himself, & I could get the misunderstanding... if anyone deserves the blame it is Joel Schumacher for ruining Tim Burton's Batman universe.

*Edit: Harley's way of tricking Batman into thinking she'd rat out Joker & having a robot(?) Joker shoot at him to distract Bats while she injected him with a drug was brilliant though.

[Solomon Grundy]

as the name implies i love joker,scarecrow,two-face,and bane but i do have some mad love for solomon,zsaz,killer moth,and kite-man

[mothy]

The Riddler is my favorite villain. He's well dressed, smooth talking and quirky. Got to love his mammoth ego and use of technology, too. He's not a physical threat at all and he does not kill. Though he's an obsessive compulsive, he is in control of himself and isn't insane like the other villains. He's a thinking man's character.

[Talvrae]

Me my favored Villain is Ra's Al Ghul. He is as smarth as Batman, he is as strong, he is evil, he is calculating, and he is immortal, what ask of more?

[Kaddis]

In no particular order:

Catwoman - strong independent female who plays by her own rules. You never know which side of good and evil she'll end up on and most times, it's a little of both.

Mr. Freeze - As "cold" as Mr. Freeze wants to be, he has a huge vulnerability with Nora (his wife) that kinda makes you feel for him. I think for all great villains there has to be something empathetic about them, and Mr. Freeze can sometimes pull at your heart strings....then blast you with a freeze gun. I only wish he could be properly immortalized on the big screen.

Scarecrow - Everyone has fears and every great hero that has ever been written about going back to Greek mythology has to battle these fears in order to persevere and win the day. The fact that Dr. Crane, at any moment, can make your true fears come to life is daunting. His cold, clinical approach to what his victims are experiencing is what makes him creepy.

Great White Shark - I know, I know, not too menacing or as higher up the rogue gallery food chain as many others. I just like the fact that he started out this low-life, conniving jerk, and ended up just as insane as all the other Arkham inmates. I think he takes the "We all go a little mad sometimes" quote to a whole new level.

Harley Quinn - I think Harley proves that love can be a dangerous thing, which I think we've all felt at one point or another. I think she's a very sympathetic character and can be just as dangerous as any of the other villains on Batman's list.

[Talvrae]

Wow i'm really original i feel only two others person than me mentioned Ra's Al Ghul on the whole topic

[BatPoli]

Scarecrow...

[zx16]

Thomas Elliot aka Hush is my favorite his battles with batman can run so deep his like the joker but not insane and his not trying to get rid of gotham his just after Batman much deeper rivialy.

[kalle90]

The Riddler is my favorite villain. He's well dressed, smooth talking and quirky. Got to love his mammoth ego and use of technology, too. He's not a physical threat at all and he does not kill. Though he's an obsessive compulsive, he is in control of himself and isn't insane like the other villains. He's a thinking man's character.

The Riddler because of all that :D

Ivy also deserves to be mentioned. Her reason for her actions is something more than pure madness or 1 dead or suffering relative. Probably the only villain I can truly understand

Plus they both like green

[Kai Rei]

Killer Croc is another favorite of mine. Just something about a snarling prehistoric beast as a villain is awesome.

[M0i]

Joker, Riddler and Scarecrow.

Bane, Mr. Freeze, Two-Face and Killer Croc are close seconds.

[Prince Daka]

The Riddler is my favorite villain. He's well dressed, smooth talking and quirky. Got to love his mammoth ego and use of technology, too. He's not a physical threat at all and he does not kill. Though he's an obsessive compulsive, he is in control of himself and isn't insane like the other villains. He's a thinking man's character.

Riddler is my favorite but some of what you said is inaccurate. Sure, he doesn't have a thing for mass killing like the other villains, but he has murdered more than a few people before (I can give you specific comic issues - I'm not referring to the Batman Forever scene). Even in the game, Dr. Young mentions how he has killed people before & he justifies it by saying that he was weeding out the idiots. And if he has OCD he can't be in total control of himself. I have OCD myself I would know. I consider him insane... but I'm thinking you meant to say he isn't a full-blown psychopath, which I agree with.

[PunisherLH]

Mine has always been two face. Tommy Lee jones portrayed the character well, However, In the Dark Knight, I feel that the Two face character wasn't done well. Aaron Eckhart did an alright job, i just don't think the character of Two Face was portrayed as a Super Villain. More like a man whose girlfriend died and he cries and moans about it. Not a criminal who has to think twice.

[kalle90]

There are no supervillains in Nolan's realistic Batman. All villains from Scarecrow to Joker could be real people. That's probably why Riddler, Catwoman and Penguin are the most popular guesses for cast of next Batman, all could be real. Batman isn't superhero either, just "a crazy man dressed as bat"

And over half the time Aaron was a healthy human. Tommy Lee Jones was crazy villain from the start. There wasn't much depth to it.

Still, so far I've liked every villain performance from DeVito to Ledger to Carrey. Tommy was ok too but the new movies were bland camp action while the Burton ones were too gothicy (like all Burton) for my tastes. Thankfully Nolan wanted realism.

[Zombie_in_zen]

Joker hands down...

then:
2 Face

[M0i]

Mine has always been two face. Tommy Lee jones portrayed the character well, However, In the Dark Knight, I feel that the Two face character wasn't done well. Aaron Eckhart did an alright job, i just don't think the character of Two Face was portrayed as a Super Villain. More like a man whose girlfriend died and he cries and moans about it. Not a criminal who has to think twice.

You can't be serious.

Nolan's Two-Face was brilliant, he was realistic, Batman Forevers Two-Face was stupid, I mean, the good and bad girlfriend? It was too childish, I couldn't even relate him to the comics.

I really like the universe of B:AA, because it sticks to the comic book, but it tries to be realistic as well... the problem with the comics, is that there are far too many twists ( now apparantly Bruce Wayne ain't batman anymore ), and that the fact that Batman is from the DC universe, he has to coexist with all powerful beings such as Superman, Green Lantern, and hell even Wonderwoman... with villains from outer space, greek gods... it's just too much in my opinion.

If I were to create a new Batman universe, it would be like the one in B:AA except with no metropolis, JLA or anything like that, just Gotham, Batman and it's villains.

[zx16]

You can't be serious.

Nolan's Two-Face was brilliant, he was realistic, Batman Forevers Two-Face was stupid, I mean, the good and bad girlfriend? It was too childish, I couldn't even relate him to the comics.

I really like the universe of B:AA, because it sticks to the comic book, but it tries to be realistic as well... the problem with the comics, is that there are far too many twists ( now apparantly Bruce Wayne ain't batman anymore ), and that the fact that Batman is from the DC universe, he has to coexist with all powerful beings such as Superman, Green Lantern, and hell even Wonderwoman... with villains from outer space, greek gods... it's just too much in my opinion.

If I were to create a new Batman universe, it would be like the one in B:AA except with no metropolis, JLA or anything like that, just Gotham, Batman and it's villains. Agreed though sometimes I don't mind superman but when you get into some of the stuff you said it isn't batman really. Also on the Nolan side ANY Batman villain can be used in Nolanverse it just depends on how you see it. Killer Croc doesn't have to be like he is in Batman:AA (Though I prefer him as a giant more crocish yet still human form.) He can be a tall strong man who was a circus freak that has a skin disease (Hell you can even let him die from it if you wanted to.) he filled his teeth to be sharper and he is strong it's not that hard to do.

[Prince Daka]

While I do agree Two-Face from Batman Forever was a bit far fetched & stupid looking I don't see how Nolan's version of the character is all that more brilliant. Joker in TDK was brilliant, but Two-Face's career as a villain in Nolan's universe lasts about a weekend or so, doesn't it? He kills a few people because he can't get over Rachel & then he becomes the first person to be killed by Batman. That's kind of lame. He actually did more devastating things in Batman Forever, like killing Robin's entire immediate family. Batman Forever gets unfairly treated. It wasn't complete garbage. TDK gets treated like The Godfather, but it is more like Godfather 3. I don't really get it.

[Kaddis]

While I do agree Two-Face from Batman Forever was a bit far fetched & stupid looking I don't see how Nolan's version of the character is all that more brilliant. Joker in TDK was brilliant, but Two-Face's career as a villain in Nolan's universe lasts about a weekend or so, doesn't it? He kills a few people because he can't get over Rachel & then he becomes the first person to be killed by Batman. That's kind of lame. He actually did more devastating things in Batman Forever, like killing Robin's entire immediate family. Batman Forever gets unfairly treated. It wasn't complete garbage. TDK gets treated like The Godfather, but it is more like Godfather 3. I don't really get it.

I disagree...it is not proven that Mr. Dent is actually dead. Like Moroni says, a fall from that height wouldn't kill anyone. Hell Batman falls that same length AND has been shot and still comes up breathing. I think Gordon locked Dent away in Arkham to protect the citizens from knowing what has become of their "White Knight". And in essence Harvey Dent IS dead, hence the funeral, but Two Face I do believe is alive and well in Arkham. At least this is my theory. I think this might play out in Batman 3...we shall see.

In Batman Forever, I think Tommy Lee Jones is a great actor and he has my respect but the way the character was written was too campy for my tastes. Not to mention he was overshadowed by Riddler. True, Aaron Eckhart was completely overshadowed by Ledger's performance but the way it was written Two Face fell into Joker's plan. He was part of the chaos that Joker was trying to inflict on the city. In Batman Forever, Two Face was just some muscle for The Riddler to use to execute his plan. Two Face was a glorified henchman. TDK's Two Face actually had depth and was treated as equally as dangerous as The Joker. I think this is why I prefer Mr. Eckhart's performance over Tommy Lee's, just has more drive and empathy to the character.

[XxScarecrowxX]

as you can see scarecrow is my favorite villain

[Kai Rei]

I disagree...it is not proven that Mr. Dent is actually dead. Like Moroni says, a fall from that height wouldn't kill anyone. Hell Batman falls that same length AND has been shot and still comes up breathing. I think Gordon locked Dent away in Arkham to protect the citizens from knowing what has become of their "White Knight". And in essence Harvey Dent IS dead, hence the funeral, but Two Face I do believe is alive and well in Arkham. At least this is my theory. I think this might play out in Batman 3...we shall see.

We can only hope so. Aaron Eckhart IS Two-Face as far as I'm concerned.

In Batman Forever, I think Tommy Lee Jones is a great actor and he has my respect but the way the character was written was too campy for my tastes. Not to mention he was overshadowed by Riddler. True, Aaron Eckhart was completely overshadowed by Ledger's performance but the way it was written Two Face fell into Joker's plan. He was part of the chaos that Joker was trying to inflict on the city. In Batman Forever, Two Face was just some muscle for The Riddler to use to execute his plan. Two Face was a glorified henchman. TDK's Two Face actually had depth and was treated as equally as dangerous as The Joker. I think this is why I prefer Mr. Eckhart's performance over Tommy Lee's, just has more drive and empathy to the character.

[E.Nygma]

The Riddler is my favorite villain. He's well dressed, smooth talking and quirky. Got to love his mammoth ego and use of technology, too. He's not a physical threat at all and he does not kill. Though he's an obsessive compulsive, he is in control of himself and isn't insane like the other villains. He's a thinking man's character.


What an adorable description. I feel like quoting this as it really hits the spot on why the Riddler is my most favorite of the Gotham rogues.


Riddler is my favorite but some of what you said is inaccurate. Sure, he doesn't have a thing for mass killing like the other villains, but he has murdered more than a few people before (I can give you specific comic issues - I'm not referring to the Batman Forever scene). Even in the game, Dr. Young mentions how he has killed people before & he justifies it by saying that he was weeding out the idiots. And if he has OCD he can't be in total control of himself. I have OCD myself I would know. I consider him insane... but I'm thinking you meant to say he isn't a full-blown psychopath, which I agree with.


Now, now, it all merely depends on the author. And the Riddler is one of the characters that got the most varied and different and contrasting representations, through the years. And we could say that even Batman kills a lot of people too, if we were to judge it from his apparent behaviour in the Tim Burton movies.

Like Mothy, I too prefer to imagine the Riddler as someone who does not kill people. He wouldn't mind at all if someone ended up accidentally caught up in the line of fire of one of his most dangerously concocted riddles, but he does not actively aim at killing people.

[ArmoredFist]

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[Prince Daka]

I disagree...it is not proven that Mr. Dent is actually dead. Like Moroni says, a fall from that height wouldn't kill anyone. Hell Batman falls that same length AND has been shot and still comes up breathing. I think Gordon locked Dent away in Arkham to protect the citizens from knowing what has become of their "White Knight". And in essence Harvey Dent IS dead, hence the funeral, but Two Face I do believe is alive and well in Arkham. At least this is my theory. I think this might play out in Batman 3...we shall see.

In Batman Forever, I think Tommy Lee Jones is a great actor and he has my respect but the way the character was written was too campy for my tastes. Not to mention he was overshadowed by Riddler. True, Aaron Eckhart was completely overshadowed by Ledger's performance but the way it was written Two Face fell into Joker's plan. He was part of the chaos that Joker was trying to inflict on the city. In Batman Forever, Two Face was just some muscle for The Riddler to use to execute his plan. Two Face was a glorified henchman. TDK's Two Face actually had depth and was treated as equally as dangerous as The Joker. I think this is why I prefer Mr. Eckhart's performance over Tommy Lee's, just has more drive and empathy to the character.

I'm pretty sure the writer of the movie made an official comment about how Harvey is actually dead. I know Maroni said a height like that can't kill a man, but Harvey had third degree burns on half his body. That fall killed him. I'm not trying to rain on your parade or anything, because I also felt he should be kept alive, but I'm sure he is dead (& yeah, I do acknowledge the Joker graphic novel that is a unofficial continuation of the movie & has Two-Face alive but that is not Nolan's writing so it doesn't count).

And you are right, he was the muscle in Batman Forever & he was used by Riddler just like Joker used him TDK, & he is indeed dangerous, but I doubt he will be in Batman 3 alive & in Arkham because Nolan meant to have him dead. Even if he isn't dead, he should be in a long coma... falling off a building & hitting the concrete with no armor & third degree burns on your body would kill any person.

[Prince Daka]

What an adorable description. I feel like quoting this as it really hits the spot on why the Riddler is my most favorite of the Gotham rogues.





Now, now, it all merely depends on the author. And the Riddler is one of the characters that got the most varied and different and contrasting representations, through the years. And we could say that even Batman kills a lot of people too, if we were to judge it from his apparent behaviour in the Tim Burton movies.

Like Mothy, I too prefer to imagine the Riddler as someone who does not kill people. He wouldn't mind at all if someone ended up accidentally caught up in the line of fire of one of his most dangerously concocted riddles, but he does not actively aim at killing people.

Batman did originally kill (even in the serials from the 1940s) but that was changed early in his character history, until Tim Burton's universe which seemed to try & bring back that dark side of the Batman by having him kill Joker, Penguin, etc. Sure, that can be debated, but Riddler never had a moral code for killing. I don't think any writer has written him to be someone who valued human life. Even the current reformed Riddler will give a savage beating to someone. Remember that comic where Riddler had a Pirate TV Game Show & offed anyone who couldn't answer a riddle right & let those who did free? Now that's the dark side of the character. I think all those who have written for Riddler saw him as someone who killed rarely because he isn't a fighter & he likes to prove his mental strengths but at the same time he's someone who doesn't value human life, so he sets up death traps & gives the victim a chance of using their intellect to save themselves. He only respects the mind, so bodies are expendable to him. I just think it would be weird to have a character who uses death traps if he has a moral code for killing. He even kinda killed Batman once by knocking him off a tall building (Batman died, had an out-of-body experience, & came back to life lol).

[Velderik]

Bane, Penguin, Two-Face, Joker and Mr. Freeze, those are my 5 favorites.

[Zombie-Gamer]

Harley Quinn is my all time fav but I like others for different reasons, like:
Poison Ivy: Cause she's awesome ....... like me :)
The Joker: cause he's a total psycho....... like me......:)
Two Face: cause of his duality and the fact he used to be a good guy..... like me :)
Scarecrow: cause when he's done right he's dark and creepy and plays on peoples fears..... like me :)

[Turn and Face the Strange]

actually in the nolanverse dr crane studies psycopharmacology not sure what that means though

Psychopharmacology is the practice of using drugs, herbs and other toxins to alter the mood and psychological state of a subject (ie. fear gas)

Forensic psychiatry is a psychiatric sub-specialty, specilalising in diagnosing and attempting to heal mentally-ill criminals (ie. Crane all-but-runs Arkham, admits criminals to the asylum, etc)

Thus Crane, in the Nolan verse at least, is a forensic psychiatrist. Psychopharmacology is just his primary field - his main area of work consists of experimenting with drugs to "help" patients.

//end big post

[Kaddis]

I'm pretty sure the writer of the movie made an official comment about how Harvey is actually dead. I know Maroni said a height like that can't kill a man, but Harvey had third degree burns on half his body. That fall killed him. I'm not trying to rain on your parade or anything, because I also felt he should be kept alive, but I'm sure he is dead (& yeah, I do acknowledge the Joker graphic novel that is a unofficial continuation of the movie & has Two-Face alive but that is not Nolan's writing so it doesn't count).

Well when you put it that way, the third degree burns that were sustained would've killed him. Sure Nolan is trying to put Batman into reality but it is a hyper reality. In fact, it was said that with the injuries the character sustained, he wouldn't be able to talk or move his jaw so it's not like everything is technically realistic. I mean hello, a man dressed as a bat, in all reality is pretty silly. However, if they were to go that route it is an option. I wouldn't like it to be forced though due to Ledger's untimely death, just to give Two-Face another go, etc. If there's a way to work it in though I would not mind at all.


And you are right, he was the muscle in Batman Forever & he was used by Riddler just like Joker used him TDK, & he is indeed dangerous, but I doubt he will be in Batman 3 alive & in Arkham because Nolan meant to have him dead.

My point of this is explaining why people like TDK a LOT better than Batman Forever, with the point that in TDK, Two-Face was empathetic. A psychopath took everything away from Harvey and turned him into the monster he was trying to combat. There was a creation story that made you feel for Harvey, which I think is a lot of what makes Two-Face such a cool character. You want him to turn back to good and defeat "his other side" but there's so much rage and anger that it's hard for him to succeed. With TDK, you see where he gets this anger from and why he is killing who he's killing. You feel bad for him. Which is much more interesting instead of Batman Forever with well he's just crazy, he'd fit in good with Riddler and be able to kill. Most all great villains makes you empathetic towards them and is what draws you in, Hannibal Lector, Norman Bates, all the way into the Rogue's Gallery. There is something in that character that you can relate to on a certain level. As soon as you pass them off as just crazy, or a homicidal maniac, then there is nothing to relate to anymore. Which is what they did with Two-Face in BF. Just a crazy dude with a split personality who likes to kill. Who can relate?

Sorry my explanation is so long winded. You may go about your business now.

[E.Nygma]

Batman did originally kill (even in the serials from the 1940s) but that was changed early in his character history, until Tim Burton's universe which seemed to try & bring back that dark side of the Batman by having him kill Joker, Penguin, etc. Sure, that can be debated, but Riddler never had a moral code for killing. I don't think any writer has written him to be someone who valued human life. Even the current reformed Riddler will give a savage beating to someone. Remember that comic where Riddler had a Pirate TV Game Show & offed anyone who couldn't answer a riddle right & let those who did free? Now that's the dark side of the character. I think all those who have written for Riddler saw him as someone who killed rarely because he isn't a fighter & he likes to prove his mental strengths but at the same time he's someone who doesn't value human life, so he sets up death traps & gives the victim a chance of using their intellect to save themselves. He only respects the mind, so bodies are expendable to him. I just think it would be weird to have a character who uses death traps if he has a moral code for killing. He even kinda killed Batman once by knocking him off a tall building (Batman died, had an out-of-body experience, & came back to life lol).


Uuuhmm, excuse me, but have we not been saying the exact same thing? It seems you've basically repeated the same things I have wrote in my previous comment. ;)

I never said that the Riddler has a moral code: after all he still is an insane villain - an Arkham patient! I just stated that I don't see him someone interested in killing people. If accidentally someone dies because of his more or less direct involvement in something, he would not bother. But his aim NEVER should be to openly kill someone, if the author is a good writer who understands what the character is really about.

[fatal shadow]

Scarecrow. I respect the mind's power over the body.


Then Joker. Bane too.

[Solomon Grundy]

Come on what about kite-man. he uses a hang glider(awesome) and he wears pink.

I posted earlier but out of the five or so i said i think joker because the guy is crazy and the exact oposite of batman

[Talvrae]

I disagree...it is not proven that Mr. Dent is actually dead. Like Moroni says, a fall from that height wouldn't kill anyone. Hell Batman falls that same length AND has been shot and still comes up breathing. I think Gordon locked Dent away in Arkham to protect the citizens from knowing what has become of their "White Knight". And in essence Harvey Dent IS dead, hence the funeral, but Two Face I do believe is alive and well in Arkham. At least this is my theory. I think this might play out in Batman 3...we shall see.


Seriously -_- Think it was blantant in the movie that Two-Face is dead... But what bother me the most in your post is that part: "Like Moroni says, a fall from that height wouldn't kill anyone." WRONG!!! Yes that's not high, but depends always how you fall,a simple fall of 3 or 4 metter high is enough to kill... if you fall on your head and you neck broke it's the end sorry thouse kinds of thing happen... belive me i work in the Emergency service as a Nurse and Sometimes it dont take much to someone to end up dead.

[Kaddis]

Seriously -_- Think it was blantant in the movie that Two-Face is dead... But what bother me the most in your post is that part: "Like Moroni says, a fall from that height wouldn't kill anyone." WRONG!!! Yes that's not high, but depends always how you fall,a simple fall of 3 or 4 metter high is enough to kill... if you fall on your head and you neck broke it's the end sorry thouse kinds of thing happen... belive me i work in the Emergency service as a Nurse and Sometimes it dont take much to someone to end up dead.

Not saying it doesn't happen in real life but hello we're talking the movies, even if the movie is being realistic and all, in the context of the MOVIE!, the fall might not have killed him. We also don't have people running around with half their face all blown up like that or grown men who have trained in martial arts flying around in bat suits now do we?

[Prince Daka]

Uuuhmm, excuse me, but have we not been saying the exact same thing? It seems you've basically repeated the same things I have wrote in my previous comment. ;)

I never said that the Riddler has a moral code: after all he still is an insane villain - an Arkham patient! I just stated that I don't see him someone interested in killing people. If accidentally someone dies because of his more or less direct involvement in something, he would not bother. But his aim NEVER should be to openly kill someone, if the author is a good writer who understands what the character is really about.

I had a feeling we were pretty much in agreement, hehe

[Prince Daka]

My point of this is explaining why people like TDK a LOT better than Batman Forever, with the point that in TDK, Two-Face was empathetic. A psychopath took everything away from Harvey and turned him into the monster he was trying to combat. There was a creation story that made you feel for Harvey, which I think is a lot of what makes Two-Face such a cool character. You want him to turn back to good and defeat "his other side" but there's so much rage and anger that it's hard for him to succeed. With TDK, you see where he gets this anger from and why he is killing who he's killing. You feel bad for him. Which is much more interesting instead of Batman Forever with well he's just crazy, he'd fit in good with Riddler and be able to kill. Most all great villains makes you empathetic towards them and is what draws you in, Hannibal Lector, Norman Bates, all the way into the Rogue's Gallery. There is something in that character that you can relate to on a certain level. As soon as you pass them off as just crazy, or a homicidal maniac, then there is nothing to relate to anymore. Which is what they did with Two-Face in BF. Just a crazy dude with a split personality who likes to kill. Who can relate?

Sorry my explanation is so long winded. You may go about your business now.

The biggest problem with Two Face in Batman Forever was that in Batman (1989) Harvey Dent was played by Billy Dee Williams & he doesn't flip a coin once, & suddenly he becomes white & has a special quarter (which he doesn't always listen to in the movie). They also don't have him enraged at the mobsters he was trying to imprison while he had the accident that left him burned. He just hates Batman (like Joker). Those problems really hurt the movie.

TDK did a much better job in explaining the deal with the coin (special sentimental two-sided coin that gets burned to develop a 2nd side). Two-Face's hate was also on the corrupted cops/mobsters/Batman instead of solely just Batman, which was also an improvement over the Forever movie... but he lets Joker live? Did he really believe Joker had nothing to do with Rachel? What a sucker, man. My only gripe with TDK is that even if you can empathize with Two-Face you can't really respect him... because if you were face-to-face with your lover's killer and you were given a gun & then you leave it up to chance I think you must be an idiot.

But yeah I see what you mean.

[Kai Rei]

The biggest problem with Two Face in Batman Forever was that in Batman (1989) Harvey Dent was played by Billy Dee Williams & he doesn't flip a coin once, & suddenly he becomes white & has a special quarter (which he doesn't always listen to in the movie). They also don't have him enraged at the mobsters he was trying to imprison while he had the accident that left him burned. He just hates Batman (like Joker). Those problems really hurt the movie.

TDK did a much better job in explaining the deal with the coin (special sentimental two-sided coin that gets burned to develop a 2nd side). Two-Face's hate was also on the corrupted cops/mobsters/Batman instead of solely just Batman, which was also an improvement over the Forever movie... but he lets Joker live? Did he really believe Joker had nothing to do with Rachel? What a sucker, man. My only gripe with TDK is that even if you can empathize with Two-Face you can't really respect him... because if you were face-to-face with your lover's killer and you were given a gun & then you leave it up to chance I think you must be an idiot.

But yeah I see what you mean.

But wasn't Harvey supposed to be dyslexic or something? Hence Rachel saying to Bruce "Maybe Harvey doesn't realize when you make a fool of him, but I do" or something along those lines...

[stubs182]

But wasn't Harvey supposed to be dyslexic or something? Hence Rachel saying to Bruce "Maybe Harvey doesn't realize when you make a fool of him, but I do" or something along those lines...

Uh I dont think so, that line was just referring to rachels more intimate relationship with bruce. Dyslexia is a learning disability it doesnt mean your stupid

[Kai Rei]

Uh I dont think so, that line was just referring to rachels more intimate relationship with bruce. Dyslexia is a learning disability it doesnt mean your stupid

I never said it ment their stupid, ffs. It means they have a mental inadequacy and find it difficult whilst learning.

[Talvrae]

Not saying it doesn't happen in real life but hello we're talking the movies, even if the movie is being realistic and all, in the context of the MOVIE!, the fall might not have killed him. We also don't have people running around with half their face all blown up like that or grown men who have trained in martial arts flying around in bat suits now do we?

Yeah sure... but it's not like they make a ny mysteries about that... they show us is corpse lying on the ground dead where he fall... There is no mysterie there he is simply dead... I know some poeple are disapointed by that but face it...

[batmanboy11]

For me it goes:
1. The Joker
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2. Two Face
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3. Mr. Freeze
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[kazinya91]

i gotta say after reading hush and a few other grapic novels ive really come to enjoy the riddler he's one of my favorite villians!

[mothy]

Sure, he doesn't have a thing for mass killing like the other villains, but he has murdered more than a few people before (I can give you specific comic issues - I'm not referring to the Batman Forever scene). Even in the game, Dr. Young mentions how he has killed people before & he justifies it by saying that he was weeding out the idiots. And if he has OCD he can't be in total control of himself. I have OCD myself I would know. I consider him insane... but I'm thinking you meant to say he isn't a full-blown psychopath, which I agree with.

Indeed. Compared to the likes of The Joker, The Riddler is quite in control.

The Riddler will not kill an opponent when he has the upper hand. He will place them in a death trap, or give them an intellectual challenge. He has the capacity to vengefully kill in certain instances, but he does not do it very often. He's a cautious person most of the time.

[frater 101]

favourite batman villan at tha mom would have to be riddler, just because at time he can just be so different to a typical villan.

i espically love it when they put him as a crook looked on as a joke and trying to get his rep back like in hush

i do think joker is the perfect villan for batman, but i think the dark knight as good as it was and as good as heath was has kinda made the joker to popular and people really dont know the character as much as they think they do.

all time favourite villan would have to be the maestro from hulk: future imperfect such an awesome idea for a villan

also deadpool is kick ass

[GibsonSGBat]

Scarecrow.

[frater 101]

also id like to say that scarecrow is awesome and from what ive read( i could be wrong) hes so underused as a villan i mean he really is cool i mean attacking someones fears is just so evil.

actually now i think about i love just about all batmans villans when written properly all these characters are so deep and compelling although i dont really get into the supernatural characters i figure batman is mortal with no poweers so he should fight morta lvillans

[ButterflyHarlequin~]

The Scarecrow [[Dr Jonathan Crane]]. I Think he is such a great and intresting villian. I love the way he uses mind games and fear toxin, though he is quite weak :P and i didn't expect much from him at all but the whole story behind the scarecrow fasinated me, i was so glad, and surprised to hear that the charcter was going to be used in 'Batman Begins' :) I think The scarcrow is one of the most underrated villians, such a shame. :/
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