Is Adam French Canadian? [Archive]

PenguinsFriend

06-09-2009, 10:14 AM

I read somewhere here that his apartment might be in Detroit - but that doesn't stop him being French Canadian - a lot of them live here in the States after all.

Go back and look at his face - you'll see what I mean. I think the jaw line and the chin def. make him more european. I would not be surprised at all to hear him with a Quebecois [/sp] accent.

Irate Iguana

06-09-2009, 01:46 PM

more european.

Would that be the people from the North? The people from the Mediterranean? The Balkan area? Near the Baltic? Or even the Turks? It is a big continent, not a single country.

FrankCSIS

06-09-2009, 02:19 PM

Don't know, the head's too large to be a typical urban frenchie, and too refined for the larger guys of woodrunners heritage. Features are a bit strong in certain areas, especially the cheekbones.

I see the point about the hairline, though. It's true ours is typically starting a little further back, hence why we tend to look a bit foolish with shaved hair.

Edit: Interestingly, though, a lot of French Canadians moved to nearby American industrial cities during the 1800's, including Detroit. It is to wonder if there is a link, somehow.

van_HellSing

06-09-2009, 02:20 PM

This thread makes me wonder what a phrenologist would have to say about Adam. Especially his famous hexagon. :P

Jerion

06-09-2009, 02:29 PM

Homo Hexagonus?

KSingh77

06-09-2009, 03:19 PM

He's Clint Eastwoodian

Pyronox

06-09-2009, 05:40 PM

I'm sure he will end up being the guy whose DNA was taken to create the Dentons (even though Paul was supposed to be a normie, but I'm sure he's a clone too, somehow) so, if he's Canadian that can only mean one thing...

All your base are belong to us.

Daedalus Ciarán

06-10-2009, 03:57 AM

I think he should be Irish. 'Cause everyone loves Irish people. Plus we're amazing people anyway. There is absolutely no bias towards Irish people in this post... nope! None.

PenguinsFriend

06-10-2009, 10:33 AM

LOL - gotta love the Irish!

Actually, have there been any sound files, i.e. voices released yet? Can we maybe listen to a line whereby Adam shoots an alligator at the sandiego zoo and then, cannling Arnie, says, "now you are luggage"

Digitaldruid

06-10-2009, 10:39 AM

lets just hope that he's from india. outsourced security could serve as great plot device

PenguinsFriend

06-10-2009, 11:01 AM

^
lol

Nathan2000

06-10-2009, 12:23 PM

All video game protagonists I know are either American or "Fantasylander". Well, except Lara Croft.

AaronJ

06-10-2009, 02:25 PM

It's just that with his sloping forehead and receeding hairline, the guy looks a little French Candian...

I know that sounds weird to say, and I'm not trying to offend anyone, but I used to work at the Canadian Embassy here in D.C. and the French Canadians there kind of had a similar look - well, without the ciggy at least :-)

That would be too lame. It's bad enough they made Montreal one of the locations.

PenguinsFriend

06-10-2009, 05:40 PM

That would be too lame. It's bad enough they made Montreal one of the locations.

what's wrong with Canada, eh? ;)

Jerion

06-10-2009, 05:47 PM

That would be too lame. It's bad enough they made Montreal one of the locations.

Hey now, Montreal is alright.

FrankCSIS

06-10-2009, 09:29 PM

That would be too lame. It's bad enough they made Montreal one of the locations.

You broke my heart :(

Daedalus Ciarán

06-11-2009, 03:28 AM

Montréal is nice. I was there two years ago. Lots of fun. I went down the east of coast of Canada. It doesn't seem to be a hive of conspiracy though. Did anyone see the Jackie Chan film The Medallion? Well in the film the Interpol HQ is located in Dublin (Ireland, if you suck at geography). I didn't buy it for a second. In fact the very idea that there would be a world Headquarters of anything in Ireland struck me as the most stupid thing in a very stupid film. As big of a money maker as Ireland was, and all the small technological innovations that were created there and the various important components, which are probably in your very computer, that were made, Ireland is still a relatively peripheral country on the world stage. I've never thought of Canada as any more central.

Personally I would've been really happy if you could choose your race thus affecting your gameplay options. Say you decided to be an American; you might encounter mistrust or silence from Chinese officials. But if you decide to be Chinese you are more welcomed in Shanghai. But if you end up running into a gang in Detroit you won't get as far as the American. Or you'd have to work harder to earn their trust and your questions couldn't be as penetrating without upsetting or raising their suspicions.

rokstrombo

06-11-2009, 06:00 AM

He does have a pretty sloped forehead (and prominent brow ridges), but I wouldn't say that his hairline is receded. I think he has a rather small, slender face, so he might be on the slim side.

It might be the perspective of the drawing, but it looks to me like he rolls his own cigarettes. Probably a good idea, because it can take up less inventory space! Since communication-based skills will be featured in this game, maybe the player will need to scavenge / bum smokes in order to keep Adam from getting moody. The choice of whether to annoy NPCs by acting like a total **** or bugging them for a cigarette should be left primarily to the player, of course. After all, Deus Ex is about choice! :o

FrankCSIS

06-11-2009, 01:48 PM

It doesn't seem to be a hive of conspiracy though.

It's quite a fact that no conspiracy can be taken seriously in Montreal, or anywhere else in Canada.

I didn't see it that way.

It is, however, the North American capital of night life clubbing. I guess that part fits the bill. That, and contact strip joints =P

spyhopping

06-11-2009, 02:41 PM

I think he has a rather small, slender face, so he might be on the slim side.

Yeah, I always got the impression that he was pretty slim and not massively muscular.

Possible clues about his build (from recent video):
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/933/thingyu.png

The small one on the far left looks like one of Barontieri's character sheets, maybe Adam's character model.

Anyway, if the male population of Montreal looks like Adam, I'll be visiting this summer :p

BlazeL

06-11-2009, 02:44 PM

Montréal is nice. I was there two years ago. Lots of fun. I went down the east of coast of Canada. It doesn't seem to be a hive of conspiracy though. Did anyone see the Jackie Chan film The Medallion? Well in the film the Interpol HQ is located in Dublin (Ireland, if you suck at geography). I didn't buy it for a second. In fact the very idea that there would be a world Headquarters of anything in Ireland struck me as the most stupid thing in a very stupid film. As big of a money maker as Ireland was, and all the small technological innovations that were created there and the various important components, which are probably in your very computer, that were made, Ireland is still a relatively peripheral country on the world stage. I've never thought of Canada as any more central.

Exactly. Detroit or Montréal isn't that world famous and/or central as New York, Honk Kong and Paris. (Just like Trier Seattle and Cairo. For me, it was one of the things where IW sucked. But at least, they explained it quite well with the raising enclave system after the collapse that changed the world order.)

van_HellSing

06-11-2009, 02:47 PM

I'd also like to remind everyone of this:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3111/n52004175414491782850.jpg

spyhopping

06-11-2009, 02:56 PM

Cause we can see his top? Or because he's an antihero? Great either way :)

FrankCSIS

06-11-2009, 02:58 PM

Love the colours, there. Didn't see that poster.

van_HellSing

06-11-2009, 03:11 PM

Cause we can see his top? Or because he's an antihero? Great either way :)

It's also in french :P.

KSingh77

06-11-2009, 03:18 PM

And now introducing SNAKE.http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1972/deussnakez.png

teknikal-vision

06-11-2009, 04:37 PM

Yeah, I always got the impression that he was pretty slim and not massively muscular.

Possible clues about his build (from recent video):
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/933/thingyu.png

The small one on the far left looks like one of Barontieri's character sheets, maybe Adam's character model.

Anyway, if the male population of Montreal looks like Adam, I'll be visiting this summer :p

Only desperate fans like us would get excited over such vague imagery! *stares* O.O Man I can't wait for the next media release!

Anyways... Yeah I agree. I see Adam as being fit and lean; not at all a big bulky guy.

I'll second that trip to Montreal spyhopping if that's the case!!! XD

spyhopping

06-11-2009, 04:51 PM

Right well that's two of us, anyone else coming? :p

Yes I am a pitifully desperate fan, and I did get very excited when I saw that. Check out this vid if you haven't already seen it. Got those stills from it :)

1sXQXt7F1Qw

FrankCSIS

06-11-2009, 04:53 PM

We can all storm their office and conspicuously acquire intel if you two make it here... :whistle:

KSingh77

06-11-2009, 05:09 PM

Lets send in Snake with a cloak augment,he's the best damn soldier we got.

PenguinsFriend

06-11-2009, 06:09 PM

...Anyway, if the male population of Montreal looks like Adam, I'll be visiting this summer :p

I sure hope you are a girl... lol

AaronJ

06-11-2009, 06:42 PM

what's wrong with Canada, eh? ;)

It's not the location, it's the "WE'RE-FROM-HERE-SO-IT'S-IN-TO-THE-GAME-ISN'T-THAT-COOL" complete lack of subtlety, and depth.

BlazeL

06-11-2009, 07:07 PM

It's not the location, it's the "WE'RE-FROM-HERE-SO-IT'S-IN-TO-THE-GAME-ISN'T-THAT-COOL" complete lack of subtlety, and depth.

Yeah, i had the same feeling about it. But Austin planned to be a level in DX1, too. :scratch:

So let me speculate: probably, they really badly want to live up the expectations; and they intended to have Montréal as a 'deleted scene' from the beginning, so they will be able to put another nice, paralel story in the DX3 Continuity Bible!!!

No, not likely. :rolleyes:

serrath

06-11-2009, 07:37 PM

I sure hope you are a girl... lol

Or gay. 10%

serrath

06-11-2009, 07:38 PM

And now introducing SNAKE.http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/1972/deussnakez.png

Looking at that image... I think the reason DX2 failed was a lack of sunglasses. Perhaps bringing back the hero's sunglasses adds a new depth to the game and makes it just "better".

KSingh77

06-11-2009, 08:02 PM

Something like this?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5898/blackopsh.jpg

BlazeL

06-11-2009, 08:02 PM

Looking at that image... I think the reason DX2 failed was a lack of sunglasses. Perhaps bringing back the hero's sunglasses adds a new depth to the game and makes it just "better".

:lmao: There's the point!! It wouldn't be just better, but an instant hit!!! Even with a rerelease!

But really, what happened to JC's sunglasses? That pawn who claims himself to be JC doesn't wear it anymore, and Alex didn't inherited it. Probably it wasn't the Denton bros. who disappeared in the collapse, only their accessoires... like looks, voices and identical glasses... Anyways, it would be at least a nice touch in IW having Alex wearing JC's glasses...

KSingh77

06-11-2009, 08:05 PM

Yeah I hated it when JC was dumb down to the point where he is like a hollow shell.

Hell I wish he was the main character rather than the wuss Alex but whats choosen is done.

Snake04

06-11-2009, 09:57 PM

The sunglasses was the main thing of DX

SemiAnonymous

06-11-2009, 10:08 PM

Canon be damned, I personally like to imagine that when Area 51 went up in a big, beautiful fire, JC found himself running fast, as fast as his augmented legs could carry him. As he flees, a huge spider bot attacks him, and the electricity causes him to trip and fall. As he falls the glasses slip off of his face, and he collapses, defenseless, his eyes exposed to the world at last. He struggles to get up, expecting another attack at any second when he realizes the spider is having a hard time moving. He glances and notices his glasses trapped in an important joint of the spider, and its keeping it from attacking. He takes advantage of this and flees, and moments before leaving the room, he glances back, and sees a large chunk of the ceiling collapse on the spider bot, destroying it and the glasses forever.

Although they were not human, a pain shoots through JC as though his best friend had been killed. It was icy and black, it was terrible. It was grief. Although JC would continue on to do many amazing things in the world, and his legacy would live on, he would never overcome the selfless sacrifice of the glasses, which may very well have saved his life that fateful day. He would never replace them, it would be like an insult to the glasses, as if he spat on their grave. He would honor them, however, 20 years in the future. He would place them on his greatest work, and it would be forever immortalized. Truly an honor for the greatest of sacrifices.

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/SemiAnonymous/ololo.jpg

On topic: I suspect that, given how much of the game has some obvious references to Canada (such as the entirety of Montreal), I wouldn't be surprised if the art director had AJ be designed to be at least slightly Canadian. I see a bit in him, but not enough to say he is Canadian.

spyhopping

06-12-2009, 02:23 AM

^ Hah, made me laugh!

I sure hope you are a girl... lol

Yes I'm a girl. Shouldn't matter though should it? :p

PenguinsFriend

06-12-2009, 04:27 AM

^ Hah, made me laugh!

Yes I'm a girl. Shouldn't matter though should it? :p

That's a joke, right? I know some elements of society think we should all be cool with it. But remember, if we are takling about men being gay, there's no getting past the pee pee in the poop shute. And most people find that, simply revolting.

There is more wider acceptance of homosexuality these days because of celebrities, talkshows, hollywood, etc, etc telling us it should be OK and, therefore over time, society changed.

But if I might draw your attention to a slightly different matter, but one that can be used as weak comparision. AMBLA (American Man Boy Love Association) are attempting to get the legal age of consent lowered. Why? Historicaly, back in medievial times, people used to marry as young as 12. They are saying that as a society we should revert to that.

So maybe in 20 years time our society will be think its normal and widely accept it, but deep down I'll still think it's gross.

So does it [being gay] matter? Well I could care less about your personal sexual preferences per se, but if we were to discuss the wider philosphy, then yeah - it sure does to most people :) lol

spyhopping

06-12-2009, 05:33 AM

Hmm took what I said out of context a bit there, I'm just trying to be lighthearted. It's up to the individual what they spend their personal time doing and it doesn't really matter to me, whether I'd want to do it or not.

This is an inappropriate subject anyway, so let's leave it at that :hmm:

gamer0004

06-12-2009, 06:20 AM

In Holland there was a political party who wanted to legalize teenagers playing in porn movies (it was soon dubbed the "pedofile party" :D). And yet all their members were straight.

Daedalus Ciarán

06-12-2009, 06:47 AM

You've got to remember that the concept of childhood is extremely new. Even five hundred years ago there was no stratification of knowledge. As a ten year old you could turn around and pick up a book on sex (if you could read) or war, or disease whatever you wanted. Knowledge wasn't withheld until the creation of formal education for the middle and upper classes. Then certain pieces of information were kept from children creating a 'childhood innocence' which has lasted 'til today.

Art from the Italian Renaissance from time to time have children in the same space a a pair having sex. Wish I could remember the name of one of the paintings though...

PenguinsFriend

06-12-2009, 10:21 AM

It sure is a strange world we live in. They have panty vending machines (used) in Japan and, I think, a lower legal age for consent - creeps me the hell out!

Hmm took what I said out of context a bit there, I'm just trying to be lighthearted. It's up to the individual what they spend their personal time doing and it doesn't really matter to me, whether I'd want to do it or not.

This is an inappropriate subject anyway, so let's leave it at that :hmm:

Oh, I wasn't upset or anything :)

serrath

06-12-2009, 12:08 PM

Something like this?

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5898/blackopsh.jpg

I want that! Let me buy it!

FrankCSIS

06-12-2009, 02:31 PM

For Penguins' sake, let's hope Adam doesn't visit The Village, in downtown Montreal. Watch out for the Sauna level and the gay techno clubs.

They do, however, have a tendency to attract the best damn electro DJ's. That'd be perfect for the DX universe. What with the long leather jackets :p

PlasmaSnake101

06-12-2009, 03:12 PM

Isn't it obvious. Adam is American. Rene just sent me some updated images cause we're best buds, he told me I could share this one. :rolleyes:

http://i658.photobucket.com/albums/uu301/PlasmaSnake101/DeusExplotline.jpg

Just kidding, but I have I high hair line and I'm American... Well Italian and Polish...

IN AMERICA

Jerion

06-12-2009, 04:15 PM

I always thought it was a little intriguing how DX was based in America, but wasn't at all America-centric.

PenguinsFriend

06-12-2009, 04:59 PM

rokstrombo

06-13-2009, 03:27 AM

The sunglasses was the main thing of DX

Agreed!

[...]Although they were not human, a pain shoots through JC as though his best friend had been killed. It was icy and black, it was terrible. It was grief.

Tragic :(

On topic: I suspect that, given how much of the game has some obvious references to Canada (such as the entirety of Montreal), I wouldn't be surprised if the art director had AJ be designed to be at least slightly Canadian. I see a bit in him, but not enough to say he is Canadian.

I think it's cool that Eidos Montréal are so passionate about their home city that they decided to make it a feature of the game. I don't think Melbourne has been featured in a videogame!

Pyronox

06-13-2009, 11:00 AM

Dude, we have like six different mafias in montreal, satanist cults and insane nightlife. Not to mention underground ecstasy manufactures and the hells angels bases...

Irate Iguana

06-13-2009, 11:43 AM

Dude, we have like six different mafias in montreal, satanist cults and insane nightlife. Not to mention underground ecstasy manufactures and the hells angels bases...

And milk in bags.

Pyronox

06-13-2009, 12:45 PM

And milk in bags.

Delivered door to door by the space shuttle arm.

ArcR

06-13-2009, 07:55 PM

Lots of great points made in this thread. For anyone that thinks Montreal is lame you obviously haven't been. It's an awesome city. This coming from someone thats spent time in San Francisco and is living in NYC.

When I first move to NYC I had to go down to Castle Clinton and run by the Memorial with the eagle. It is extremely surreal walking seeing and walking into the place you've been to virtually time and time again. They made it really damn accurate. I couldn't find the damn soda machine because the docks are different. Apparently where you arrive in the second level is host to the liberty island security checkpoint. They need a soda machine!

KSingh77

06-14-2009, 07:26 PM

The soda machine is a conspiracy and is plotting to rule the world.

Pyronox

06-15-2009, 09:23 AM

The soda machine is a conspiracy and is plotting to rule the world.

Not just that, vending machines around the world are a gigantic conspiracy by Majestic 12 to inject people's food with a dormant Grey Death virus.

Those clever bastards are making pizza-baking vending machines now... We are screwed

You know what's left to do... Put on a trench coat and fight them conspiracies!

Pyronox

06-18-2009, 10:20 AM

Just adding this:

It's not the location, it's the "WE'RE-FROM-HERE-SO-IT'S-IN-TO-THE-GAME-ISN'T-THAT-COOL" complete lack of subtlety, and depth.

First off, like 70% of game developers that live in the US make games that take place in the US. We're from here so it's in the game, isn't that cool? Massive irony detected.

Second, it would make sense that a real-life scenario of the future would have something to do with Canada since so many technological innovations come from here, not to mention all the medical advancements which are closely tied to DX.

spyhopping

06-18-2009, 10:43 AM

Yeah, I don't think I've ever walked round Canada in a game before. Aaron does have a point, but if you know every detail about a city you will capture the atmosphere of it much better, and you are bound to know the most interesting places.

It's harder for me cause I usually live in the countryside, but have you never walked round somewhere that is familiar to you and seen the possibilities bloom for what it would be like in a cyberpunk era?

No..? Right, just me then.

Jerion

06-18-2009, 11:39 AM

It's harder for me cause I usually live in the countryside, but have you never walked round somewhere that is familiar to you and seen the possibilities bloom for what it would be like in a cyberpunk era?

No..? Right, just me then.

I have, actually. :)

spyhopping

06-18-2009, 04:17 PM

Hehe good, I'm not alone! ;) I do love having an overly active imagination.

FrankCSIS

06-18-2009, 06:58 PM

Every time I walk through the miles and miles of underground tunnels and ridiculous underground shopping malls in the downtown area I think of how great it would fit in a game.

Speaking of countryside, you know what I was thinking about the other night? I would regain a huge amount of faith in the industry if a team of devs managed to make a good camping/outdoors adventure game. Not that I'd expect the game to be any fun, but everything about camping and cross-country expeditions embodies what a great adventure/rpg game should be about. Starting with what you pack according to destination/length of the expedition(in days or weeks), how you adapt to unforeseen situations, how you exploit the environment, and going all the way to who you bring with you depending on the situation and the required skills, and the kind of experience you're looking for.

Trying to organise various expeditions for the summer, we were making a list of who to invite for each expedition, and I found the experience greatly varies according to the "party", and how well, or badly, some of our mutual friends seem to mix during casual or hardcore expeditions. It's amazing how different some people act and react when thrown into the wild. The whole idea of lawful, neutral and chaotic seems to take life during those little adventures.

So yeah, I guess I've played too many RPG's, but it all appeared to me as the perfect setting to re-learn the basics of what a solid rpg/adventure should be and feel like. If a team could pull this off, they'd be set for the moon.

Ashpolt

06-19-2009, 01:00 AM

^^ It's not 100% what you're looking for, but have you played The Oregon Trail?

spyhopping

06-19-2009, 01:07 AM

Yeah, to pull it off would be impressive. I'm sure they could mix it in with a few more exciting elements to make it more fun.

I was out recently and I remember suggesting a mountaineering game, but that conversation quickly ended with "no, it would be boring. Just do it in real life". But I still remember the little spark that I felt when I realised I could climb up the mountains in oblivion, and then camp on the summits. Put your usual RPG settings into some kind of outdoor survival/expedition game, and it could be really good fun. The main problem with turning expeditions into games is that there is no ultimate goal, (as Mallory said, people climb a mountain just "Because it is there") but add a survival journey to some kind of RPG setting, and you have yourself a purpose.

van_HellSing

06-19-2009, 04:17 AM

And milk in bags.

Wait, Canada's communist?

Irate Iguana

06-19-2009, 04:34 AM

Wait, Canada's communist?

That is a typical communist trait having milk in bags? Try googling it. There are tons of pictures and sites dedicated to it.

van_HellSing

06-19-2009, 04:49 AM

It's just that I associate milk in bags with my early childhood. You know, born in the Peoples Republic of Poland 1984. Milk in bags has pretty much disappeared here somewhere through the nineties.

BlazeL

06-19-2009, 09:00 AM

Yeah, it was the same in Hungary. Nowadays there's no more milk in bags there, neither.

Irate Iguana

06-19-2009, 11:25 AM

Milk in bags never existed in my country. It wasn't until I hear about it on the 'tubes that I knew you could get milk in bags. We used to have glass bottles and that later changed to cartons.

spyhopping

06-19-2009, 12:56 PM

Well, milk bags or no- Montreal is in trouble.
http://vyle-art.com/gallery/albums/speedpaintings/crusaders.jpg
(by Vyle)

KSingh77

06-19-2009, 01:12 PM

Speaking of nationality,I wonder who's the voice acter for Adam.

spyhopping

06-19-2009, 01:17 PM

It's looking like it's a guy called Elias Toufexis (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1340118/)

FrankCSIS

06-19-2009, 02:26 PM

Ashpolt

06-19-2009, 03:43 PM

Hahaha what the hell, Spy, the Anglos from the future are invading?

Oregon Trail's a classic among the classics. Not sure how it could be modernised, though, and in which format/engine/perspective.

It's been updated for the iPhone, (http://uk.wireless.ign.com/objects/143/14321599.html) with swanky new graphics and a few mini games. It's been getting rave reviews everywhere too. I want to pick it up, but the app store inspires some weird logic in me whereby, while I can happily spend £70 on two PS3 games today, I find £3 for an iPhone app to be unacceptably expensive.

Romeo

06-20-2009, 05:58 PM

spyhopping

06-22-2009, 02:16 PM

Hahaha what the hell, Spy, the Anglos from the future are invading?

Oregon Trail's a classic among the classics. Not sure how it could be modernised, though, and in which format/engine/perspective.

I'd be all for integrating a lengthy expedition within a more traditional adventure/rpg setting. Sort of a survival mission, thrown into the mix with the kind of fantasy and horror you always end making up in your mind, once drunk or high, in the forest at night. You can't beat a deserted forest, in the mountains, with a lake and a few islands, for a fantasy setting. I think that would make for a bloody fantastic rpg mission, if made by someone who understands the thrill of it all.

Ah no, from the present! Anglos are much more technologically advanced than you'd think ;)

You've got my imagination running now! There are so many stories of survival and travel that could be told through a game, it could be epic. Could be paired with other elements too, not just role playing. I have sadly never played it, but the description I was given of Operation Flashpoint is ringing a (very quiet) bell. Something about navigating by the stars...

Oops this thread was once about Adams nationality :p