This used to be on top of my must-have list

[kerosene]

I've been really looking foward to this game since I first heard about it, always been a big Batman fan and really want to finally see a game that captures the "feeling" of playing Batman. I was pretty impressed with what I've heard and seen so far...until this weekend that is.

I sat down and watched some of the videos on gamespot. I was watching the video of the playable Joker and thought to myself, "That's too cool, I have to get this game." Then a nice big "Exclusively for PS3" popped up.

Yeah, that pretty much burst my bubble. The game quickly dropped off of my list of games to get.

Why should I support a 3rd party developer that punishes me for what system I have? I think it would have been bad enough if you did what Soul Caliber did and had different exclusives for each system (Vader for PS3, Yoda for 360...) but to just outright make the PS3 version a "better" game is a horrible move.

I'd love to have a PS3 right next to my Xbox and Wii, but I don't. This has nothing to do with being a fanboy or which is "the better platform" , this is about you locking fans of a HUGE franchise out of content.

I've always enjoyed and supported Eidos games, but I will not be buying this game. In fact this just leaves such a bad taste for Eidos in my mouth, I'm not really looking foward to anything else you guys work on, either.

I think it was a very bad idea to pick sides in the console wars, considering the immense fanbase of this franchise. These console wars are stupid and in the end, are only hurting the gamers. :mad2:

[Kai Rei]

Quit belly-aching, we've known the Joker has been exclusive for a month or two now.

[Darkwing_Duck]

Cool. We don't care. We may have cared on the first topic about this, but once you hit the hundred mark, it gets pretty tiresome.
Nothing you say will get the Joker on the 360. Sony paid for the rights to the exclusive, and that is that. If you've got a few million lying around you could pay for the 360 to get it. Otherwise, leave it.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Kero, there's been news that they are also announcing a 360-specific Villain Map soon, in much the same way that Soul Calibur had Vader for the PS3 and Yoda for the 360. In fact, a moderator on here even told us, "Keep your ears peeled for forthcoming announcements as the release date nears."

[SilentGuardian]

Well i own a PS3 so i dont feel ur pain but i see where ur coming from. i see why u would be mad and i understand but i really wouldnt let that one downside keep you from playing this game. I think B:AA will be an awesome game no matter what console you play it on. The Joker challenge maps are just an extra for ps3 owners.

[XxBatmanxX]

cry me a river... i only said that cas batman once said it to superman :D

[Keir]

Not a lot I can say here I'm afraid, but here's the official response from Eidos and WB:



Partnering with Sony was an ideal opportunity to bring The Joker to life as a playable character exclusively on PS3, and what you see is the result of this collaboration. Warner Bros., Eidos and Rocksteady are extremely happy with how this unique gameplay has turned out.

Batman: Arkham Asylum on Xbox 360 still offers owners of the console a fantastic gameplay experience; however there are no plans for the Play-As-The Joker Challenge Maps to become available on this format.


It is a shame because the Joker is a sick character, but it is separate from the main game and that's the most important part.

[stoobytoons]

Not a lot I can say here I'm afraid, but here's the official response from Eidos and WB:




It is a shame because the Joker is a sick character, but it is separate from the main game and that's the most important part.

True; Joker WOULD be cool, but my feeling is it would be more of a nostalgic "cool" and less of a "finally someone got the Joker right in a game" kind of "cool."

It's Sony's deal -- big woop. I don't agree with it, but apparently Microsoft doesn't really give a crap one way or the other if we get this game. Ah well... I guess there's always another monotonous Halo game to look forward to at some point.

[Ensanguined Walls]

No matter what, I don't think any add-on would get a character "right". I think what's important is that each version still has the full game, and the Joker is done correctly there - with Mark Hamill! :)

[metalhead_dave]

I've been really looking foward to this game since I first heard about it, always been a big Batman fan and really want to finally see a game that captures the "feeling" of playing Batman. I was pretty impressed with what I've heard and seen so far...until this weekend that is.

I sat down and watched some of the videos on gamespot. I was watching the video of the playable Joker and thought to myself, "That's too cool, I have to get this game." Then a nice big "Exclusively for PS3" popped up.

Yeah, that pretty much burst my bubble. The game quickly dropped off of my list of games to get.

Why should I support a 3rd party developer that punishes me for what system I have? I think it would have been bad enough if you did what Soul Caliber did and had different exclusives for each system (Vader for PS3, Yoda for 360...) but to just outright make the PS3 version a "better" game is a horrible move.

I'd love to have a PS3 right next to my Xbox and Wii, but I don't. This has nothing to do with being a fanboy or which is "the better platform" , this is about you locking fans of a HUGE franchise out of content.

I've always enjoyed and supported Eidos games, but I will not be buying this game. In fact this just leaves such a bad taste for Eidos in my mouth, I'm not really looking foward to anything else you guys work on, either.

I think it was a very bad idea to pick sides in the console wars, considering the immense fanbase of this franchise. These console wars are stupid and in the end, are only hurting the gamers. :mad2:

:rolleyes:

God, you want some cheese with that whine? Jesus Christ.

360 owners got the Lost and Damned DLC but that didn't mean I'd refuse to buy GTA4... or join a GTA4 forum JUST make a thread complaining and declaring I wouldn't buy the game.

Go cry about it somewhere else. It's noobs like this, that are keeping me (a noob also) from making any type of threads any time soon.

[jackskellington17]

:rolleyes:

God, you want some cheese with that whine? Jesus Christ.

360 owners got the Lost and Damned DLC but that didn't mean I'd refuse to buy GTA4... or join a GTA4 forum JUST make a thread complaining and declaring I wouldn't buy the game.

Go cry about it somewhere else. It's noobs like this, that are keeping me (a noob also) from making any type of threads any time soon.
you do know thats coming to the ps3 right same with the fallout dlc..

[Drazar]

The Joker gameplay is 3-6 extra hours of gaemplay only, not anything storywise or so. Its not that much of a big deal compared to GTA4 and Fallout 3 stuff. =p

[jackskellington17]

I've been really looking foward to this game since I first heard about it, always been a big Batman fan and really want to finally see a game that captures the "feeling" of playing Batman. I was pretty impressed with what I've heard and seen so far...until this weekend that is.

I sat down and watched some of the videos on gamespot. I was watching the video of the playable Joker and thought to myself, "That's too cool, I have to get this game." Then a nice big "Exclusively for PS3" popped up.

Yeah, that pretty much burst my bubble. The game quickly dropped off of my list of games to get.

Why should I support a 3rd party developer that punishes me for what system I have? I think it would have been bad enough if you did what Soul Caliber did and had different exclusives for each system (Vader for PS3, Yoda for 360...) but to just outright make the PS3 version a "better" game is a horrible move.

I'd love to have a PS3 right next to my Xbox and Wii, but I don't. This has nothing to do with being a fanboy or which is "the better platform" , this is about you locking fans of a HUGE franchise out of content.

I've always enjoyed and supported Eidos games, but I will not be buying this game. In fact this just leaves such a bad taste for Eidos in my mouth, I'm not really looking foward to anything else you guys work on, either.

I think it was a very bad idea to pick sides in the console wars, considering the immense fanbase of this franchise. These console wars are stupid and in the end, are only hurting the gamers. :mad2:
i agree with you that the joker being only for the ps3 is poo but you never know he could show up as dlc for the 360, but that doesnt mean you should not buy the game it looks amazing and your not the only one pissed about the joker exclusive.

[metalhead_dave]

you do know thats coming to the ps3 right same with the fallout dlc..

Well it wasn't when I first got GTA4, and there will probably be Joker DLC for the 360 eventually too.

[woody1444]

Dude, are you serious? How could not getting extra content force you to make the choice to drop this game? I am buying his game FULL STOP end of sentence NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, I really do think you should reconsider getting this game, it will be well worth the money, I promise you.

[jackskellington17]

Well it wasn't when I first got GTA4, and there will probably be Joker DLC for the 360 eventually too.
i hope so

[EliteF50]

We don't care. Get over it.

[DarkKnight11]

I've been really looking foward to this game since I first heard about it, always been a big Batman fan and really want to finally see a game that captures the "feeling" of playing Batman. I was pretty impressed with what I've heard and seen so far...until this weekend that is.

I sat down and watched some of the videos on gamespot. I was watching the video of the playable Joker and thought to myself, "That's too cool, I have to get this game." Then a nice big "Exclusively for PS3" popped up.

Yeah, that pretty much burst my bubble. The game quickly dropped off of my list of games to get.

Why should I support a 3rd party developer that punishes me for what system I have? I think it would have been bad enough if you did what Soul Caliber did and had different exclusives for each system (Vader for PS3, Yoda for 360...) but to just outright make the PS3 version a "better" game is a horrible move.

I'd love to have a PS3 right next to my Xbox and Wii, but I don't. This has nothing to do with being a fanboy or which is "the better platform" , this is about you locking fans of a HUGE franchise out of content.

I've always enjoyed and supported Eidos games, but I will not be buying this game. In fact this just leaves such a bad taste for Eidos in my mouth, I'm not really looking foward to anything else you guys work on, either.

I think it was a very bad idea to pick sides in the console wars, considering the immense fanbase of this franchise. These console wars are stupid and in the end, are only hurting the gamers. :mad2:

Sorry, but you're a idealistic fool. Exclusives are just the way the industry works. Sony wanted something to make their system look better so that everyone that has an Xbox360 and a PS3 would choose PS3 over Xbox360. It's silly to think that you'd refuse an amazing game just because you don't get the Joker exclusive. It's old news and everyone else has made their peace with it. Next to the whole storyline playing as the Joker probably won't be all that exciting anyway. The Joker is just a gimmick.

[CaptainMcMulla]

just because of an exclusive you dont buy a game lol

next thing i'll be saying that im not buying modern warfare 2 because xbox has timed exclusives

[NoMoarDedCawpz]

Let it go dude...
Boycotting the game isnt gonna put The Joker on Xbox 360.

Besides, the game is called BATMAN: Arkham Asylum.
Playing as The Dark Knight himself, should be enough :thumb:

[Ensanguined Walls]

Yeah, I'm not gonna ignore what looks like an amazing game because of an exclusive that doesn't impact the main storyline/gameplay mechanics.

[chip5541]

But a cool gimmick :D

The thing that amazes me is a lot of people were going to get the game before any DL content was even mentioned.

BTW. I would like to mention that the last Tomb Raider game had exclusive content for the 360. No one, including Eidos, is choosing sides.

[morbidshark]

Heck, though I'm equally disappointed that we dont get to play as the Joker if dont own a PS3, the mere thought that we get to play as the Dark Knight himself is enough to make me buy a new copy everyday !!
get over it sonny, i dont own a 360 or a PS3...it's my trusty ol' PC....so your worries are nothing compared to mine ;)

[Nightwing]

But a cool gimmick :D

The thing that amazes me is a lot of people were going to get the game before any DL content was even mentioned.

BTW. I would like to mention that the last Tomb Raider game had exclusive content for the 360. No one, including Eidos, is choosing sides.

I think this misses the point. We don't care about choosing sides. We don't care that you're NOT choosing sides. As an Xbox360 owner, I always had in the back of my mind the thought of getting a PS3 when they finally came to their senses about the crazy price. I'd say Sony are doing a decent job of alienating potential customers rather nicely in the same way Microsoft originally did. The PS2 was more successful than the original Xbox. This was back when Microsoft made a big hoo-har about Halo being exclusive and then as expected it came out on PC too. The way I explain it is simply the retardedness (yes, I like making up new words to suit what I'm trying to say) of the marketing departments. Nobody likes feeling pressured into buying a specific console for something exclusive... a normal reaction is resistance, specifically turning around and just going "now I'm not buying a PS3 for that you *insert your favourite swear word here*"

You can check this thinking in your own mind if you like... PS3 owners are all happy clappy about the exclusive because they have it already. Xbox360 owners, you feel peeved probably about it, you going to buy a PS3 for this? More importantly, are you more or less likely than before to be buying a PS3 in the future? Feel free to reverse that questioning for Tomb Raider fans. Things never really change, Dilbert is as right about marketing depts today as he was when Scott Adams first drew him. It's only hurting the gamers.

[whiston532]

A lot of games have console exclusive content. It's nothing new, besides, your making it sound like they are out to "punish" you. Paranoid much? This isn't the first time, it happens a lot, the 360 has it's own exclusives. Besides, I keep hearing about 360 exclusive maps. And if you lost interest this easy I doubt you even were excited to begin with.

[chip5541]

I was actually responding to this statement:

I think it was a very bad idea to pick sides in the console wars

As was proven by GTA:IV, DL content exclusivity does not impact hardware sales that much. It is the system exclusives that push hardware sales (The Wii is an exception to the rule). Just take a look at the Japanese market and on weeks that exclusives hit for teh 360 (Blue Dragon for example) PSP (Monster Hunter) PS3 (MGS4). DL content will usually help a person decide which version to buy not which system to buy.

Like I said earlier, most people wanted this game even before the DL content was mentioned.

[Mani-Man]

After watching the "old" invisible predator challenge room gameplay,i have a question does anybody know if you can "work" with the enviroment?,i saw that the room in this challenge mode had many lights and some (i think they are called "Fans"/ventilator),Can you shoot the lights out destroy windows and stuff like in batman begins(there you could scare the guys with some enviorment stuff)its not that bad if its not in the game but it would be pretty cool to scare the enemies like that.

[Black Mask]

*sigh* Another one of you whining 360-ers. Your buying a game depends on something you didn't even know existed until about a month ago. Sad. :(

We'd all love to play as the Joker. Who wouldn't? But you guys are going to get something exclusive, a villain map or something. But who cares? We PC people get NOTHING! :mad2:

...Besides the game. And that's all right with me.

[JD_Method]

While I do own consoles as well as a PC, it does kind of annoy me that PC NEVER really gets anything exclusive. So I assume that PC gamers see it as pathetic when 360 and PS3 owners are arguing over ONE exclusive.

Don't boycott this game because of not being able to play as The Joker. That would be very stupid. And as chip keeps saying, lots of people, including you, were going to buy this game before The Joker was announced as PS3 exclusive. Imagine you couldn't play as The Joker on any system. You would have still bought it. So quit complaining.

[Sir_Pennyworth]

*facepalm*

Like I said, you don't have to avoid the game to make the point. I can rent it on Day 1, enjoy it all I want, and at the end of the day not have given the publishers my money.

[Sir_Pennyworth]

I agree with you - Rocksteady has no fault in this :(

It's the little guy who always gets punished the worst. It's kind of like what's going on with Activision - they have some great developers making some great games, but after what Activision's doing with Brutal Legend and Scratch DJ, I can't bring myself to support them.

Btw, for the record: the moment Eidos announces something - *anything* - for the 360 version so that I do not feel like I'd be paying full price for an inferior product, I'll instantly reserve the CE at Amazon (but not Gamestop, because I try to avoid them whenever possible.... *sigh* sometimes I wish I didn't pay as much attention to the industry so I could enjoy it more.)

[chip5541]

please, no slam posting. They will be removed.

[Sir_Pennyworth]

What's a slam post?

[chip5541]

When post border or promote boycotts of a product.

[KillerCroc]

Ugh more whiners. Would you like some cheese with that whine? Sony paid for Joker, so what if you can't play as him? Deal with it and suck it up. You can't do anything, so quit belly-aching and either buy the game or don't. Not buying a game because of an exclusive is moronic.

[kerosene]

It was utter BS that microsoft locked out PS3 users from DLC on 2 of the biggest titles last year (though I'm glad to hear you'll eventually get it) yet PS3 users gladly lined up and shelled out their hard-earned money for those games anyway. That sent a big message to the industry: "It's ok for you to sell us an inferior product, we'll still line up and give you our hard-earned money for it because we're a bunch of suckers." Now it seems everyone wants a piece of that pie.

As consumers, we have one voice: our wallets. And mine is staying closed on this. These companies wouldn't be so quick to sell exclusive rights if they knew they were going to take a huge loss in sales because of it.

If they wanted to make this game only on PS3, that's their choice. But what they want is for me to pay the same price as a PS3 owner and walk away with less, so they can have their extra millions from Sony. They're having their cake, they're eating it too, and they're asking 360 and PC users to pick up the soap.

I'm a huge Batman fan and it seems like they are doing a good job with it but this just went from a must-have to a "I'll support my local video store and eventually rent it or grab it from the used bin in a couple weeks...."

Just saw the slam post comment...whatever, delete it, I said my piece...

[Sir_Pennyworth]

Ah. Gotcha. Oh, well. Nothing more to say I guess, since I'm obviously not drinking the Kool-Aid and letting this slide.

Thanks for letting me voice my opinions, though, for however brief a period.

Good luck with the game, even if I won't be supporting it as things stand. Heaven knows Batman deserves a good game.

[Ryanodamonkey]

Let it go dude...
Boycotting the game isnt gonna put The Joker on Xbox 360.

Besides, the game is called BATMAN: Arkham Asylum.
Playing as The Dark Knight himself, should be enough :thumb:

EXACTLY listen this man has wisdom :eek: It is BATMAN's game so technically your buying the game to play as BATMAN!

By the way what's in this Villain DLC pre-order thing?

[KillerCroc]

Joker is free. -.- Yes you really are losing so much. Do what I do and watch videos of it, it makes me feel better.

[Mani-Man]

So that i understand it,there are BATMAN fans out there who dont buy the BATMAN game because they cant play with the joker on the xbox360,thats a little bit stupid....that whole "exclusiv" thing sucks but anyway as a BATMAN fan you buy this awesome game to play as BATMAN and not to play with somebody else.Is there something i dont understand:scratch:

[gaiking2003]

plans,plans,plans
everyone has plans
eidoes have plans
rocksteady have plans
you had plans
and look what the joker did
he took your little xbox plan and turned it on it self
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Zombie-Gamer]

lol

[KillerCroc]

I could make one, but I don't think it's appropriate. It's a Joker joke redone. Will any of you 360 people be mad? Yes. Dumb question. I'm out.

[gaiking2003]

I was actually responding to this statement:



As was proven by GTA:IV, DL content exclusivity does not impact hardware sales that much. It is the system exclusives that push hardware sales (The Wii is an exception to the rule). Just take a look at the Japanese market and on weeks that exclusives hit for teh 360 (Blue Dragon for example) PSP (Monster Hunter) PS3 (MGS4). DL content will usually help a person decide which version to buy not which system to buy.

Like I said earlier, most people wanted this game even before the DL content was mentioned.
i agree you can add fallout3 to that little list
plus xbox have lots of exclusive game like star ocean ,fable 2, halo and meny more
so can i start a tread complaining?
or you can do what i did
get a job
save your money
then buy a ps3 too
problem fixed

[kerosene]

i agree you can add fallout3 to that little list
plus xbox have lots of exclusive game like star ocean ,fable 2, halo and meny more
so can i start a tread complaining?
or you can do what i did
get a job
save your money
then buy a ps3 too
problem fixed

It's not about exclusive games. It's about devs taking money from one side then releasing a game for all platforms and screwing the other 2/3 of gamers out of content. Who walks away from that situation as a winner? It's not you, and I know it's not me. Who does that leave?

[Ensanguined Walls]

It's not about exclusive games. It's about devs taking money from one side then releasing a game for all platforms and screwing the other 2/3 of gamers out of content. Who walks away from that situation as a winner? It's not you, and I know it's not me. Who does that leave?

Uh, Rocksteady doesn't make the final decisions on exclusive content. Eidos/Warner does due to a pre-existing Sony/DC deal that pre-dated the release of this game. The devs worked hard on this, and we both have the same game, same CE, etc. TBH, the Joker exclusive doesn't look game-changing, and it's free, after all.

[kerosene]

Uh, Rocksteady doesn't make the final decisions on exclusive content. Eidos/Warner does due to a pre-existing Sony/DC deal that pre-dated the release of this game. The devs worked hard on this, and we both have the same game, same CE, etc. TBH, the Joker exclusive doesn't look game-changing, and it's free, after all.

True, I'm sorry for saying the devs. I know they work hard to deliver us gamers quality products. Hell, I know they're gamers too.

The politics of it all are where I draw fault. I think I'm on the wrong board. I'm just sick of us gamers bowing down and taking whatever they deem to give us.

[whiston532]

360 is getting some content too dude. Just not Joker.

[Ensanguined Walls]

True, I'm sorry for saying the devs. I know they work hard to deliver us gamers quality products. Hell, I know they're gamers too.

The politics of it all are where I draw fault. I think I'm on the wrong board. I'm just sick of us gamers bowing down and taking whatever they deem to give us.

Hold out, mate. I think they might announce some new DLC soon, if the hints add up.

[MrBill]

Great, another Namco-ish marketing exclusives. Might as well go straight to the bargain shelf. The marketing team is really screwing up this release good. Just make it all the same, both PS3 and 360 and everyone is happy. Bad press will make a bad release. Sorry, I took this game off my pre-order list right after the news. There are much better games coming out the same time with a proper release. I just don't want to hear more nonsence about this game up until the release.

Sad that there were such good press up until now.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Great, another Namco-ish marketing exclusives. Might as well go straight to the bargain shelf. The marketing team is really screwing up this release good. Just make it all the same, both PS3 and 360 and everyone is happy. Bad press will make a bad release. Sorry, I took this game off my pre-order list right after the news. There are much better games coming out the same time with a proper release. I just don't want to hear more nonsence about this game up until the release.

Sad that there were such good press up until now.

Good God, it's ridiculous how some people will whine like entitled children when one console gets an insignificant exclusive. We both have the same gameplay and mechanics. There isn't any bad press, by the way - this game was nominated for Best of Show at E3, and the positive previews keep rolling out. Ranters don't count as "bad press".

This looks like the best Batman game ever (and the only game I'm interested in for the summer), and you're whining because of a small exclusive.

Great news. You probably weren't that interested in the first place.

[The Boshart]

TC:
How much is the Joker worth to you?
If you really are so intent on not paying an equal amount for it on a system without the Joker exclusive maps, then you could just wait a month then get it, or get it used. Do either of those, and you still get the games, cheaper than they would be when released on the PS3.
I mean, you're basically saying that you would pay 60$ just for the Joker challenge maps. Seriously, if the game is 12-15 hours long, the non-joker maps will get you 3-4 hours of play time. The Joker maps may get you 1-2. Basically, that's just under 10% of a product. I mean people buy cars without all the extra features, and guess what, they still work.
You could always walk into Wal-mart, gamestop, or wherever you get your games and just demand that you get 5 dollars off the game because they are missing content, and I'm pretty sure I know what they'll say.

[KillerCroc]

Wow, MrBill if you read the others your post will be closed. Sony paid extra for Joker, deal with it. Also, would you like some cheese with that wine? Just suck it up and if you don't want to game than why are you even here? Oh, my bad your not pre-ordering it. Seriously, stop whining and find something better to do, just because you don't think it's great doesn't mean you have to kill our mood.

[whiston532]

I like it how two people out of the 60 or so of us are upset about this decision and they act like them not buying the game will cripple it. My favorite part was the OT saying that we must stand up and voice our opinion with our walets and tell them what we think. This guy is the next Martin Luther King. Seriously though, if you dont like it deal with it, i dont like it, but i realize that nobody did anything wrong, Sony paid extra, they get extra, they bought the right to have the Joker playable, thats how Capitalism works, if you dont like it, go and live in a socialist economy.

[GR1NG0_SU4V3]

when did people get so stupid?
ugh it's infuriating.
not buying a game based on DLC?
And a challenge room at that?
We might as well take your Xbox and give you an N64 until you learn to quit complaining.

[kerosene]

I think everyone is missing the point. Forget about Joker, forget about Batman, forget about DLC, price tags and all that jazz.

Video game companies are taking huge sums of money from Sony or Microsoft. They then go ahead and make one version of their game have more features or be more desirable. All the while the other 2/3's are out of luck. If it was hardware issues or time constraints, it would be one thing. But it's not, it's them being greedy.

They continue to do it because they know that the other 2/3's will still clamor over each other for a chance to buy a "second-rate" product. Not only that but they'll walk away with a smile and gladly come back for more.

Now, who wins in those situations? It's not the gamers. It's the guys sitting in their new townhouses in Hawaii, drinking martini's and laughing at all the good, predictable little sheep.

It seems everyone here is totally cool with that, more power to you. But I'm not.

I will eventually play this game. But what I will not do is run out and buy a new copy off the shelf because I'm not going to support companies that expect me to settle for less so they can have a nice fat bonus.

Sorry Ensanguined, your quote is just too perfect...

What separates a man from a slave? A man chooses...a slave obeys!

[metalhead_dave]

I think everyone is missing the point. Forget about Joker, forget about Batman, forget about DLC, price tags and all that jazz.

Video game companies are taking huge sums of money from Sony or Microsoft. They then go ahead and make one version of their game have more features or be more desirable. All the while the other 2/3's are out of luck. If it was hardware issues or time constraints, it would be one thing. But it's not, it's them being greedy.

They continue to do it because they know that the other 2/3's will still clamor over each other for a chance to buy a "second-rate" product. Not only that but they'll walk away with a smile and gladly come back for more.

Now, who wins in those situations? It's not the gamers. It's the guys sitting in their new townhouses in Hawaii, drinking martini's and laughing at all the good, predictable little sheep.

It seems everyone here is totally cool with that, more power to you. But I'm not.

I will eventually play this game. But what I will not do is run out and buy a new copy off the shelf because I'm not going to support companies that expect me to settle for less so they can have a nice fat bonus.

Sorry Ensanguined, your quote is just too perfect...

What separates a man from a slave? A man chooses...a slave obeys!


Arrgh, now my brain AND my balls hurt. IT'S JUST A FREAKING GAME? Not something to start a French Revolution over. You act like the developers, console makers, and such are a bunch of royalty saying "let them eat cake." It's NOT that important.

It's like reccomending stitches for a paper cut, a fire extinguisher for a lit match, or a chaingun cannon against a guy who has a snubbed nose 6 shooter. You are overinflating the dissapointment to the NTH degree... over JUST one LITTLE difference between the two console versions of Batman Arkham Asylum.

Well you know what, go ahead? Be the "man" and not the "slave." You go chose to be some rebel who fights TEH MAN. I'm going to chose to enjoy THIS GAME when it comes out.

[Nightwing]

I think everyone is missing the point. Forget about Joker, forget about Batman, forget about DLC, price tags and all that jazz.

Video game companies are taking huge sums of money from Sony or Microsoft. They then go ahead and make one version of their game have more features or be more desirable. All the while the other 2/3's are out of luck. If it was hardware issues or time constraints, it would be one thing. But it's not, it's them being greedy.

They continue to do it because they know that the other 2/3's will still clamor over each other for a chance to buy a "second-rate" product. Not only that but they'll walk away with a smile and gladly come back for more.

Now, who wins in those situations? It's not the gamers. It's the guys sitting in their new townhouses in Hawaii, drinking martini's and laughing at all the good, predictable little sheep.

It seems everyone here is totally cool with that, more power to you. But I'm not.

I will eventually play this game. But what I will not do is run out and buy a new copy off the shelf because I'm not going to support companies that expect me to settle for less so they can have a nice fat bonus.

Sorry Ensanguined, your quote is just too perfect...

What separates a man from a slave? A man chooses...a slave obeys!

That's an interesting point of view. I hadn't considered it like that until now. However, I also think you should consider that Eidos didn't ask for the money, it was Sony who offered.

Think of it this way, if you're doing the same job for many different clients. Then one day, one client comes along and says "re-check the numbers and prove you've done that" or something else which is a little extra work, and he offers you a bonus for it. Are you going to refuse the extra work and bonus?

Do note: my views that only gamers lose has not changed. Nor has my view that it's all the overpaid, inept marketing depts who've caused all this trouble.

[k1ll1ng j0k3]

why were my posts erased?

[chip5541]

why were my posts erased?

Found. See your PM.

and I love Bacon sandwiches. Bacon makes everything better.

[k1ll1ng j0k3]

Found. See your PM.

and I love Bacon sandwiches. Bacon makes everything better.
Bacon does make everything better! peace to the world! thanks to Bacon

[whiston532]

I have something to add to this argument.

360 Version:
http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Arkham-Asylum-Xbox-360/dp/B001E8VB3C/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1244668190&sr=8-4

PS3 Version:
http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Arkham-Asylum-Playstation-3/dp/B001E8VB6O/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1244668190&sr=8-1

The Ps3 version costs $5 more than the 360 version, so your paying less for less. Happy ? Althought at Best Buy its the same: $59.99 for both ( in canadian $ ) and both $69.99 at future shop.


And yes i realize this was already posted on another thread, im just reposting this.

[The New Blueguy]

All that says is that Joker is PS3 exclusive and that will stay that way. I'm pretty sure the 360 exclusive content was the reason for the delay. And the funny thing about the Soul Calibur thing is that, at the time I didn't have both systems. I only had a PS3. And buddy had an Xbox 360. The funny thing is both if us wanted the opposite character. Him wanting Vader on 360 and myself wanting Yoda on PS3. Needless to say, we were both pissed.

Seriously though, the rumoured Scarecrow challenge levels for 360 will have to be amazing for me to switch to 360. I don't care as long as I get my Batman fix, but I'd rather keep Batman alongside his fellow master in stealth Solid Snake. It's funny because I was actually writing a Batman/Metal Gear crossover fanfic where HARDAC the AI had kidnapped Carl Rossum and Octacon, while forcing them to complete a new body for his program, he called it Metal Gear HARDAC.

I may finish it someday...

[KillerCroc]

Where do you get that Scarecrow challenge maps are exclusive for the 360? It's for both systems and 360 doesn't have an exclusives coming it's way so seriously just quit it saying that 360 will get something amazing. Just quit it, all of us try to talk sense into you guys and nothing, it just goes over your head. I'm sick of explaining this to everybody. Chip or Keir can you help me out? They listen to you. THERE IS NO 360 EXCLUSIVE CONTENT,NONE,ZIP,NADDA!

[knightbmb]

I am a 360 owner too, i feel your pain but just suggesting just because the joker is a exclusive on ps3 (god your lucky, but i guess have fun with the joker) shouldn't keep you from Batman:AA, think if neither system had it would you have gotten the game? And don't be mad at Eidos or Rocksteady they saw a HUGE business opportunity so they took it, if it was your choice to make some money what would you of done? :confused: ;)
Killer_Croc by the way is right there is no exclusive sadly for us 360 owners. :(

[KillerCroc]

Don't be sad, you didn't complain. I want them to be sad and to stop their whining.

[Sir_Pennyworth]

"Don't be sad, you didn't complain. I want them to be sad and to stop their whining."

So... people are ok in your book if they don't complain, and just accept what is given to them no questions asked.

If they complain about something they see is wrong, then you want them to shut up and suffer?

Man that's twisted... pre-civil-rights-movement twisted.

[KillerCroc]

"Don't be sad, you didn't complain. I want them to be sad and to stop their whining."

So... people are ok in your book if they don't complain, and just accept what is given to them no questions asked.

If they complain about something they see is wrong, then you want them to shut up and suffer?

Man that's twisted... pre-civil-rights-movement twisted. Your getting me wrong. And yes I am basically saying in a way that some of you need to shut up, I'm tired of these 360 gets this and that and the boycotts and the we want Joker and everything! But everybody is repeating the same thing over and over again, so yes, we pointed out the facts and truth and they still believe they will get something. And yes, some of you don't complain and I don't have a problem with you, it's the people that I constantly have to tell that they will not get anything exclusive and it goes over their heads. Can you see where I stand. Do you know how many thread there are like this? A good 1/3 of these forums is made up by threads like these, and i posted on everyone and they don't listen. Can you see where I stand?

[Sir_Pennyworth]

Ah. Gotcha.

Well, the thing is, nothing's going to stop these threads until the game's released because people simply believe that if enough of these topics are created, Eidos/Rocksteady will take notice.

Once the game is released and whatever happens with the DLC happens, all of these threads should stop - but until then, people will still have hope.

Personally, I found a compromise I'm happy with, so at the very least I won't be making any new "complaint" threads (even if the thread I made today is being treated as such... ugh)

[whiston532]

There's nothing wrong with getting upset about something you see as wrong, it's our right. But getting mad about such a little thing it rediculous, it's like getting mad because batman gets an alternate costume. Get over it.

[KillerCroc]

Ah. Gotcha.

Well, the thing is, nothing's going to stop these threads until the game's released because people simply believe that if enough of these topics are created, Eidos/Rocksteady will take notice.

Once the game is released and whatever happens with the DLC happens, all of these threads should stop - but until then, people will still have hope.

Personally, I found a compromise I'm happy with, so at the very least I won't be making any new "complaint" threads (even if the thread I made today is being treated as such... ugh) But that's the thing they won't stop. You say it will after the DLC but the won't be happy that we are playing as Batman while we get some rooms with Joker too and they won't stop, they only get to play as Batman they will say, but it's exclusive we will reply, we'll get some exclusive DLC later and the Joker they whine some more. Either way these forums are screwed.All of you know Joker isn't coming to the 360, Keir said it, heck, they paid Mark Hamill to say it. There isn't much more proof we can give. Just some of these guys need to quit whining and deal with the fact.

[kerosene]

That's an interesting point of view. I hadn't considered it like that until now. However, I also think you should consider that Eidos didn't ask for the money, it was Sony who offered.

Think of it this way, if you're doing the same job for many different clients. Then one day, one client comes along and says "re-check the numbers and prove you've done that" or something else which is a little extra work, and he offers you a bonus for it. Are you going to refuse the extra work and bonus?

Do note: my views that only gamers lose has not changed. Nor has my view that it's all the overpaid, inept marketing depts who've caused all this trouble.


Of course Sony offered, they know because of it being a Batman game as opposed to Generic-Crimefighter title, that this will be one of the biggest games of the year. And that is the same reason Eidos accepted. You know they had to weigh the bonus they got verses how many customers they might lose. Considering the magnitute of fans the IP will bring, they felt safe taking that little extra on the side.

As for your second point, I don't think there is a "right" answer. If what that company is asking me to do will in no way affect the service I'm providing to my other customers, then yes, it'd be silly not to accept the extra work. But if I'm providing a better service to one of my customers, yet charging all 3 the same price (yeah, I know the 360 is $5 bucks cheaper now, I'm looking at the big picture here, not what I spent on smokes this morning...) and all 3 know about it, I'd better be damn sure I'm not hurting my company in the long run, right? I'm pretty sure that's exactly what Eidos, Bethesda and Rockstar did. They knew the selling power of the name of the game alone is going to counter the % of customers they're going to lose by providing the other x/3 of their customer base with an inferior product.

One thing I'd like to add that I was thinking about. When Bethesda and Rockstar took the money from Microsoft to lock out PS3 customers, it had to have seemed like a pretty safe gamble because Microsoft has control over 2/3's of the market (PC and 360). I really think this is going to set a bad precedent for us gamers because Sony does have a smaller share in the American Market, yet this is going to go over without a hitch and it will further entice them to keep doing this back and forth while everyone wins but us, the gamers. (Note, I'm giving all 3 platforms an equal share, just to keep it simple and make a point.)

And as for your 3rd point, I couldn't agree with you more and I'm glad someone else finally sees that this is about the way us gamers are getting screwed over so some dude can have a condo in the Hamptons...yet most of us gladly line up and completely support them doing us dirty.

[kerosene]

I apologize for the double post but I can't seem to find the "Edit" button...

I'm going to say this again for the people who don't seem to get it, I'll use small words and be very specific.

I am going to play this game, I have no issue with Rocksteady and they seem to be doing an amazing job capturing Batman in a video game. I draw my fault with the executives at Eidos who took a bribe, for no one's benefit but their own, and screwed 2/3 of their customers out of content.

But I will not run out and buy a new copy off the shelves. The reasons being:

1) They will not see one penny from me, that would only let them know that it's ok for them to screw me over as a customer.

2) When this game sells amazingly well for PC and 360, which I have no doubt it will, other companies will see that and be more apt to accept money from Sony or Microsoft, cutting the other chunk of the market out of content. Why shouldn't they? They get the extra money and what they'll lose in sales isn't even worth putting into consideration. I mean, who doesn't want their cake and want to eat it too?

It's not like my choice is going to make a difference, but I refuse to condone this bull$%^!

[The New Blueguy]

Alright, my mistake. Number one, I'd only heard the Scarecrow levels were a rumour. I didn't truly believe they existed in any form. Which is why I refered to them as such. If indeed they are real, and NOT exclusive then I am bloody well beaming with happiness right now. However, if someone could link me to something actually stating that the scarecrow levels even exist that would be great. Thanks...

[The New Blueguy]

Alright I've done some poking and found that the Villian map pack on the CE is Scarecrow. I was aware of this, but I didn't know it would be Dr. Crane at the helm.

[KillerCroc]

people need to SHUT THE **** UP ABOUT THIS ******* JOKER THING

if it was at the top of your must own games list BEFORE you know about the joker thing then why should you hate the game because the ps3 gets like 5 mins of added content. it will probably become available to the xbox 360 as downloadable content later next year or even at xmas so shut the **** up.

p.s i only have an xbox so dont start with that **** like i dont understand
Let me make something clear. All of you were so psyched about this game, until Joker became a PS3 only and all these threads become useless and so of you just don't open your ears. All of you were looking forward to this game and then all of the sudden you can't play as Joker so now we have boycott and complaint threads galor about Joker. NOTE: Joker is a PS3 exclusive and is not coming to the 360 ever. 360 nor gets any exclusives.

There are two simple solutions to this. One: Go buy a PS3. Two: Quit your gripping and just realize how great a game this is going to be and listen to yourself when you are complaining about this. You frankly sound quite stupid.

So if you are going to continue with this and how unfair it is, leave is outside of the forums, we get that all of you are upset. But just starting all of these threads makes it harder on all of us. If you want help with this go see a therapist. I had one that gave me a coupon for $5 off.

[Sir_Pennyworth]

Wait... aren't therapists like hundreds and hundreds of dollars? Taking 5 bucks off is like a... .001% discount!

That, and I'm not sure I'd want to visit a discount therapist :)

[Stargate21]

I've been really looking foward to this game since I first heard about it, always been a big Batman fan and really want to finally see a game that captures the "feeling" of playing Batman. I was pretty impressed with what I've heard and seen so far...until this weekend that is.

I sat down and watched some of the videos on gamespot. I was watching the video of the playable Joker and thought to myself, "That's too cool, I have to get this game." Then a nice big "Exclusively for PS3" popped up.

Yeah, that pretty much burst my bubble. The game quickly dropped off of my list of games to get.

Why should I support a 3rd party developer that punishes me for what system I have? I think it would have been bad enough if you did what Soul Caliber did and had different exclusives for each system (Vader for PS3, Yoda for 360...) but to just outright make the PS3 version a "better" game is a horrible move.

I'd love to have a PS3 right next to my Xbox and Wii, but I don't. This has nothing to do with being a fanboy or which is "the better platform" , this is about you locking fans of a HUGE franchise out of content.

I've always enjoyed and supported Eidos games, but I will not be buying this game. In fact this just leaves such a bad taste for Eidos in my mouth, I'm not really looking foward to anything else you guys work on, either.

I think it was a very bad idea to pick sides in the console wars, considering the immense fanbase of this franchise. These console wars are stupid and in the end, are only hurting the gamers. :mad2:

Dude the only reason you are no longer interested in Batman: Akrham Asylum is because the PS3 gets the Joker. Sony payed for the rights for the exclusive content, hence that is why the PS3 gets the Joker and the XBOX 360 does not get the Joker. If Microsoft goes ahead and forks over some money, then perhaps the XBOX 360 might get an exclusive. This game is appearing to be the game that Batman has always deserved. This will be a great game and you are choosing to miss out on it because Sony paid for the exclusive Joker content. And yes I have an XBOX 360 and I don't have a PS3.

[Mani-Man]

You know whats funny,the ps3 owners didnt cried long over the XBOX360 exclusiv GTA lost and damned but if somebody is PS3 exclusiv the xbox user(not all but a lot of them) spam every board full they can find,make videos/pictures/storys about how unfair life is for them.:lol::lol:

[DarkKnightDanny]

You know whats funny,the ps3 owners didnt cried long over the XBOX360 exclusiv GTA lost and damned

hehe this made me lol in real life

this is the funniest generalization ive heard in my entire life

[SilentGuardian]

You know whats funny,the ps3 owners didnt cried long over the XBOX360 exclusiv GTA lost and damned but if somebody is PS3 exclusiv the xbox user(not all but a lot of them) spam every board full they can find,make videos/pictures/storys about how unfair life is for them.:lol::lol:

It's like us ps3 owners are poor african children dieing of hunger and the 360 owners are the rich fat Americans and when we get some food (or exclusive content) They try to steal it out of our mouths! :eek: but what am i saying. i own both a ps3 and xbox 360 and im american :lol:

[Sir_Pennyworth]

Whoa... I just realized how Eidos can put an end to all this argument!

Alright, so... follow me here... Eidos releases the Joker levels on the 360, right? ... but wait... instead of calling them "Joker" levels, they call them the "Clayface disguised as the Joker" levels!

Brilliant!

The Joker stays exclusive to the PS3, but appears on the 360 anyways! Woot! Take that evil corporate exclusives!

(Btw, before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I'm kidding!)

[whiston532]

Whoa... I just realized how Eidos can put an end to all this argument!

Alright, so... follow me here... Eidos releases the Joker levels on the 360, right? ... but wait... instead of calling them "Joker" levels, they call them the "Clayface disguised as the Joker" levels!

Brilliant!

The Joker stays exclusive to the PS3, but appears on the 360 anyways! Woot! Take that evil corporate exclusives!

(Btw, before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, I'm kidding!)


Im still liking the Keir Challange maps idea that i think was talked about in the Keir Appreciation thread.

[scottybro1970]

I can understand why all those who are upset about not being able to play Joker are so.

This may be just me, but lately it seems to me that Batman's saga is becoming all about Joker instead. The Dark Knight was really all about the Joker, not Batman. I still remember all the fuss and whining about how Joker was portrayed in Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe. They got to play him at least, but he wasn't shown their way.

I plan to get this game, and I wasn't expecting to play as Joker at all. So, PS3 people get the bonus to play him, so fine. The game is BATMAN: Arkham Asylum.

I think DC should just make the Joker his own franchise; no one other than Batman can stop him in Gotham, so he'd be totally invincible; then they can make a game where Joker is the star, and that way all the Joker fans will be happy. Neither console would get Batman.

Joker, Joker, Joker. I can't play Joker; so this game's off my list. OMG.

Oh, in the Joker's game, Heath Ledger's version would be the star. Joker fans happy for all eternity:)

I like the character too, but this is BATMAN's game. Enough raving:)

[jaggie4]

i know how that feels because i have both systems and was planning on getting it for xbox but then that news came out and so it changed my mind on what system to buy it for....but i dont think that one factor should change your decision on whether to get it or not because it will be one of the best games ever regardless of playing as the joker because the joker is only playable in challenge mode so its not that big of a deal.But i am tired of system wars and they need to stop choosing sides...but internet play is free on ps3...= )

[Rexie]

Now this is funny, when people started saying that Eidos hates Sony, after the TR-360 drama :P

[Sir_Pennyworth]

Now this is funny, when people started saying that Eidos hates Sony, after the TR-360 drama :P

Doesn't Sony technically own a (small) part of Eidos now that Squeenix acquired them?

[Samtheman53]

Maybe they can't fit the Joker onto a DVD with the rest of the game

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