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[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

Anybody else a little shocked about the demo where the player who was horrible by the way, snuck up behind 3 villans stealth killing each one. The best part being they were a few feet away form each other the guy grunts as he's getting taken down and the other guys are still poised guns up but don't hear or turn around. what are your thoughts....I'm still for this game but I hope they correct that...

[Black Mask]

I wouldn't have expected them to hear it... The grunt is just something they added in for Batman to hear, he is covering their mouths... Besides, even if they did hear something, they'd want to keep focus on the door, where they think Batman is coming in.

[Ensanguined Walls]

They probably had the demo on God Mode. I hope it isn't as easy as that.

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

sorry I disagree they were still two feet away and they would have heard something....

[Ensanguined Walls]

I wouldn't have expected them to hear it... The grunt is just something they added in for Batman to hear, he is covering their mouths... Besides, even if they did hear something, they'd want to keep focus on the door, where they think Batman is coming in.

You could still hear the grunting, as it would come through if he was holding their mouth. Their peripheral vision should have detected something two feet away, and the smack you hear when Batman grabs them should have caught the attention of one.

[Black Mask]

I'd still think they'd be keeping firmly focused on the other end of the room... And I don't think the smack and grunts are really 'there'... just something for us to hear... Do you know what I mean, or am I going over your heads?

[Ensanguined Walls]

I'd still think they'd be keeping firmly focused on the other end of the room... And I don't think the smack and grunts are really 'there'... just something for us to hear... Do you know what I mean, or am I going over your heads?

That makes absolutely no sense. The smack and grunts are both realistic reactions, and they are not something for the player to simply hear. Sounds and sights apply to the thugs and Batman. That's a bad way to justify poor AI, but I think it was simply on God Mode for demo purposes. I think they should at least react, instead of standing there as if they heard NOTHING.

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

HAHAH:nut: AHAHa remin me never to hire you as a guard.....I cant protect you boss Im focused on the door he may come in front of me but behind me is ok...:lmao:

[Black Mask]

Well, they're not supposed to be smart...

But really, I am just trying to justify it. Game-wise, it would be too dang hard to sneak up behind if they heard your every move.

[DarkKnightDanny]

Well, they're not supposed to be smart...

But really, I am just trying to justify it. Game-wise, it would be too dang hard to sneak up behind if they heard your every move.

i agree completely. this isnt the first time someone has bought this issue up.

im sure the first lvl is a tutorial so having 3 guards together like this is a great way to learn the basics of silent takedowns.im sure you wont be taking down multiple thugs this way anywhere else in the game.
also. you play as a dude dressing up in a bat costume fighting a massive croc,plant like women, and a man who gains his strengh through a green like substance. this issue should be the least of your worrys no?:)

[WarrENDeatH]

They probably had the demo on God Mode. I hope it isn't as easy as that.

Agreed, I think of all the settings they probably had it on recruit/rookie(below normal). I might play this game just on Hard to get the Batman feeling.

[Abeja]

Even when he gets out of the vent, and talking to Oracle, the thugs are right around the corner. It was just a demo, i expected it to be pretty easy.

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

I hope so not all flunkys are stupid.......but these guys are straight up retarded.

[Red Hood]

I think the grunts have really bad hearing (which I doubt) or its just supposed to be easy, kind of like a tutorial.

[HeartlessSystem]

well it aint called a silent takedown for nothin'
it wouldnt have a point if guards came when you kill stealthily

[DarkKnight11]

The sound of the strike is probably magnified for our enjoyment. I don't know how many of you have ever punched someone in the gut, but it's not all that loud. And it's pretty dark in the asylum, so maybe the thugs can't see so well.

The vent thing was kinda funny, but Batman pushed kinda slowly with his feet and removes the vent cover carefully after that, so maybe the guard is just oblivious. And his back was turned.

I think we can assume that Batman isn't yelling into his Batphone when talks to Oracle, unlike far too many people with cellphones. It's loud enough for us to hear, but Batman would probably be speaking very softly if we didn't need to hear what he had to say.

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

I appreciate you trying to defend it but it doesnt make sense...Im still gonna like the game but the ai on that demo is apparently every villan is deaf dumb and blind.:hmm:

[DarkCrusader67]

i really think batman shouldn't have to punch a dude in the back before he silently takes him down anyways... i can understand like a pressure point squeeze to make their legs collapse or something but it just doesn't seem as "stealthy cool" to me when he hits them first. I think Rocksteady should really consider changing some of the silent takedowns before release

[Ensanguined Walls]

i really think batman shouldn't have to punch a dude in the back before he silently takes him down anyways... i can understand like a pressure point squeeze to make their legs collapse or something but it just doesn't seem as "stealthy cool" to me when he hits them first. I think Rocksteady should really consider changing some of the silent takedowns before release

They're polishing the game, not changing the gameplay.

[DarkCrusader67]

They're polishing the game, not changing the gameplay.

i know i know but aren't they looking for feedback from E3 and these forums? it said in one of the interviews that they were constantly reading the forums to see what they can improve or change to make the game better for the fans.

idk, i don't know much when it comes to game development but i believe it sounds reasonable. and if all else fails, i can still hope! :D

[WarrENDeatH]

I doubt they over look the forums...


At this point in the video game process, going back and adding stuff that we want doesn't make sense seeing as the game comes out in two months. The best they can do is fix glitches, Make the graphics a bit better and fix sound. It's not like they are going to add like 8 more modes and 12 new levels are something.

[DarkCrusader67]

I doubt they over look the forums...


At this point in the video game process, going back and adding stuff that we want doesn't make sense seeing as the game comes out in two months. The best they can do is fix glitches, Make the graphics a bit better and fix sound. It's not like they are going to add like 8 more modes and 12 new levels are something.

we're not talking about "adding 8 more modes or 12 new levels or something". It's one type of silent takedown that im nickpicking about lol

and yes they do overlook the forums! ill get a quote for you in a sec...

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

there are silent take downs one where the cape gets wrapped around a villan and they get maced in the face with something that knocks them out....

[WallaMalla]

You guys are overreacting to a minor, unimportant detail. it's a game for Pete's sake, it wouldn't be cool if the goons heard you and shot you down just like that. It's part of the gameplay, you can't change that.

[BatNipples]

ye calm down. its like one of the first levels so of course its going to be easy to silent takedown someone. if it was too hard then people wouldnt be able to pass the first level because they wouldnt have experiance

[Silent Knight]

The game could have been on an Easy difficulty as well.

[DarkCrusader67]

So i know that Sefton Hill told us that there would be the three basic levels of difficulty but has anyone heard of there being a fourth level of difficulty being unlocked after you beat the game on hard or something? Something similar to like how in GearsOfWar you had to "unlock" insane mode

[whiston532]

As everyone else has said, there are many aspects to this.

1. It's the tutorial, so the AI would be dumbed down for the sake of learning
2. What would the point be of a silent takedown if it wasn't silent?
3. I'm pretty sure there isn't going to be many if any situations where grunts are just standing there. In the gameplay I've seen the bad guys are all wandering around a room separate, and even when they get scared and group closer together there's still the ability to pick them off.

Besides, you can't be too picky about realism in a game where a dude dresses up like a bat and goes to an insane asylum to fight a giant cocodile man, an ancient warrior who uses magic pits to heal himself, a guy who shoots ice and a woman who controls plants.

[WallaMalla]

Haha, you make it sound funny :lol:.

[PeaceTree]

They dont call it a silent take down for nothing...

[CaptainMcMulla]

Its a silent takedown the grunts there so you can feel the power of the bat

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

that sounded funny

[Vexta]

Wasn't this about the 1st mission. If it was its understandable but if not then NO!

[batman4747]

The only thing about the AI i don’t like is when batman knocks out the thugs they react the same they fall to the ground holding their heads well sometime anyway has anyone else notice that in the combat videos?

[Mani-Man]

Um, yeah. If a Silent Takedown wasn't "silent", then it would just be a Takedown. It would be pretty stupid for Batman to be like, "Hehe, I'm gonna use my Silent Takedown." and then when he did it, some random thug will come out of nowhere and be like, "I heard a Silent Takedown! Everyone, GET BATMAN!". And then you're dead. So yeah, Silent Takedowns are SILENT. You have to remember, this is Batman, the man who can do anything. He can see into your SOUL.

HELL YEAH he is the only person in the galaxy who can beat CHUCK F****** NORRIS:lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Dark Cape]

I kinda remember Sefton Hill in one of the E3 playthroughs saying that the generators in that room stopped the goons from hearing batman.

[WarrENDeatH]

This is obviously easy but I really don't think it will change since it is a 'silent' takedown. I think the biggest thing to point out here is the ability of a person to completely pick a part a game that has next to no known flaws. That's impressive.

[Ensanguined Walls]

For all we know, he could have been playing on God Mode or a toned down setting for the purpose of continuing the demo. When developers demo a product, they usually turn it on God Mode to ensure that they don't die during the course of the demo.

[WarrENDeatH]

Yeah, nothing more embarassing than seeing a developer get beaten at their own game.

[gaiking2003]

Anybody else a little shocked about the demo where the player who was horrible by the way, snuck up behind 3 villans stealth killing each one. The best part being they were a few feet away form each other the guy grunts as he's getting taken down and the other guys are still poised guns up but don't hear or turn around. what are your thoughts....I'm still for this game but I hope they correct that...
let me get this your complain about thugs not hearing there mate being killed
apart from the fact batman does not kill
your in a asylum full of stone gate thugs and loony inmates
who would be grunting, screaming and making lots of noise
the thugs would have been in arkham would think that sound like that would be normal
plus you got the joker talk into the P.A system all the time
who going hear that

[MCREF]

Wasn't there another vid where some guy tried to rush a silent takedown and another thug spotted Batman almost immediately? If I recall, the guy died under the hail of gunfire. I think I'll be agreeing with the it's probably just the tutorial side of the argument. Hopefully, when you takedown people mid sentence as they are talking to each other, they'll take notice and take you out. Or if you're fast enough, they turn around to see their buddy lying on the ground unconscious and they start freaking out even more because they were there and didn't hear or see a thing.

[gaiking2003]

plus the joker does say
note to self need to hire more thugs good one this time

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

appreciate your defense but that room was pretty quiet and if a thug cant hear somethign behind him a foot away REMND ME NOT TO HIRE THOSE GUYS:lol: seriously when ou hear someone behind you scream or whatever and you hear a punch to the head arent you gonna turn around or are you gonna keep facing forward.....cmon common sense.

[KillerCroc]

Again, Black Mask was very much so right on the guards focusing on the door. The guards know Batman is on his way, so they are scared. Every criminal in Gotham would be. And with their little grunt it's not loud enough for somebody to hear 5 ft. away. You overexaggerated with 2 ft. They wouldn't hear, it's a muffle btw, not a grunt. YOu can't hear muffles. You guys just need something to complain about. Complain about how Batman's boots aren't black enough. :eek: I mean Oh my God, have you seen those? They are almost black with a tint of purple! Geez. :rolleyes:

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

I can tell you like to make trouble....I'm sorry your life is lonely I will be your friend now, so you can be happy.....

[AnimatedMonster]

Yeah, I noticed that too. It has me concerned, but it's nothing game breaking.

Hopefully you'll have multiple ways of dealing with groups of thugs like that. I'm hoping that you'll be able to grab enemies without knocking them out (like in Splinter Cell, using them as a human shield). Whilst doing that, hopefully we can pull out equip our Batarangs and free aim. Just with those two abilities, I'd be able to do some pretty dynamic stuff taking down enemies.

[KillerCroc]

I can tell you like to make trouble....I'm sorry your life is lonely I will be our friend now you can be happy....someone cares for you. Um no? I find it nice to correct people by their mistakes as it is not true. This isn't trouble making, this is simply posting on the boards. We discuss the game wether that is the topic or how people look for the petty things in the game.

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

you like quoting me and then dissing me a lot so yeah thats where I say making trouble....your very angry for a 40 something year old....Im still your pal....:thumb:

[Ensanguined Walls]

Yeah, I noticed that too. It has me concerned, but it's nothing game breaking.

Hopefully you'll have multiple ways of dealing with groups of thugs like that. I'm hoping that you'll be able to grab enemies without knocking them out (like in Splinter Cell, using them as a human shield). Whilst doing that, hopefully we can pull out equip our Batarangs and free aim. Just with those two abilities, I'd be able to do some pretty dynamic stuff taking down enemies.

Have you considered that they were playing the demo on the dev-exclusive God Mode?

I don't think there's a grab option, by the way.

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

no grab option......thats not good.....still be a great game though.....:thumb:

[Ensanguined Walls]

There's enough options without needing to grab enemies, like stringing them to the ceiling, etc.

Still, I think the dev was playing on God Mode, which tones down the AI so they don't die while they show off the game. I've seen videos where the thugs saw the player and shot at him, even while he was running.

[KillerCroc]

you like quoting me and then dissing me a lot so yeah thats where I say making trouble....your very angry for a 40 something year old....Im still your pal....:thumb: Well that's because of people like you that I feel I need to correct. It used to be peaceful on these boards but now we have people challenging other members all the time. Just because I sound cranky is because sometimes you all need something to complain about, wether it's a sound the guards make or why someone just looks for a fight. You had no reason for following me around, and you don't, sp just let me do my buisness and you can do yours.

[KillerCroc]

There's enough options without needing to grab enemies, like stringing them to the ceiling, etc.

Still, I think the dev was playing on God Mode, which tones down the AI so they don't die while they show off the game. I've seen videos where the thugs saw the player and shot at him, even while he was running. Where do you get this God mode stuff from? Why would the developers use cheats for a demo? Um, the thugs didn't see him so how could they shoot at him?

[Ensanguined Walls]

Where do you get this God mode stuff from? Why would the developers use cheats for a demo? Um, the thugs didn't see him so how could they shoot at him?

God Mode isn't a "cheat". It's a developer mode used to ensure that they don't die while showing off the demo for a game. In God Mode, developers can't take damage during a demo, and it oftentimes tones down the AI. Furthermore, I was stating that the AI has reacted to player movements in other videos, even when sneaking from behind. I didn't specify which one, so it was a bit of an assumption to think that I meant this combat room.

I get this God Mode "stuff" from the fact that Eurogamer and Kotaku both mentioned that the developers had the game demo on God Mode to ensure that they didn't die while showing off the game to news networks for gaming. For example, in the IGN videos, they had God Mode on to make sure that an unexpected death didn't interrupt the flow of the demo.

[KillerCroc]

God Mode isn't a "cheat". It's a developer mode used to ensure that they don't die while showing off the demo for a game. In God Mode, developers can't take damage during a demo, and it oftentimes tones down the AI. Furthermore, I was stating that the AI has reacted to player movements in other videos, even when sneaking from behind. I didn't specify which one, so it was a bit of an assumption to think that I meant this combat room.

I get this God Mode "stuff" from the fact that Eurogamer and Kotaku both mentioned that the developers had the game demo on God Mode to ensure that they didn't die while showing off the game to news networks for gaming. For example, in the IGN videos, they had God Mode on to make sure that an unexpected death didn't interrupt the flow of the demo. Oh, did not know that. There was two videos on the same mission with different people playing I think, but I doubt the AI would've still heard the guy being taken down. Silent. Not loud.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Oh, did not know that. There was two videos on the same mission with different people playing I think, but I doubt the AI would've still heard the guy being taken down. Silent. Not loud.

I see what you mean, Croc. Not everyone knows about God Mode, but it's what developers use when they're showing off a demo. When they have a limited amount of time, they can't afford to die during the presentation, hence their reason for turning on a private mode that eliminates damage, dynamic AI, etc.

Also, the part with the thugs turned around was still in the Intensive Treatment tutorial. It's possible that the AI becomes more clever as the game progresses and you exit the beginning mission, which is supposed to show you the specifics of the game without making it too difficult. As Sefton said, thugs eventually receive "shock collars" from the Joker, the ability to shoot down your perches, etc. I wouldn't let this presentation worry me, truthfully.

[KillerCroc]

I see what you mean, Croc. Not everyone knows about God Mode, but it's what developers use when they're showing off a demo. When they have a limited amount of time, they can't afford to die during the presentation, hence their reason for turning on a private mode that eliminates damage, dynamic AI, etc.

Also, the part with the thugs turned around was still in the Intensive Treatment tutorial. It's possible that the AI becomes more clever as the game progresses and you exit the beginning mission, which is supposed to show you the specifics of the game without making it too difficult. As Sefton said, thugs eventually receive "shock collars" from the Joker, the ability to shoot down your perches, etc. I wouldn't let this presentation worry me, truthfully. What I think he means by that is more thugs looking in a lot more directions. The shock collars I thought show wether the thug is unconcious or not?

[Ensanguined Walls]

What I think he means by that is more thugs looking in a lot more directions. The shock collars I thought show wether the thug is unconcious or not?

They supposedly attract a lot more thugs to the body, making matters difficult for you.

[gaiking2003]

What I think he means by that is more thugs looking in a lot more directions. The shock collars I thought show wether the thug is unconcious or not?
that right but collars also let the joker talk to his thugs and let him tell them were you are
remember the joker has control of the asylum including the cameras
you see harley quin watching them at the start

[KillerCroc]

that right but collars also let the joker talk to his thugs and let him tell them were you are
remember the joker has control of the asylum including the cameras
you see harley quin watching them at the start Ah so you have to act faster, makes sense.

[Ryanodamonkey]

The only reason you hear the grunt is because you hear what Batman is hearing. You hear what it sounds like right where Batman is so you would hear the faint muffle as the pass out.
By the way the grunt's are s**t scared because they know he's near If I was a grunt I would be more focused on wetting my pants than the environment around me.

And to be honest the Joker doesn't care for his thugs in the slightest.... :p

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

hope it gets challenging on the hard mode...I wonder if anyone of the devs can answer this one...also if they can tell us what the a.i. was set on in the demo...normal easy or what.

[Reeper0278]

There a machines around in Arkham, and remember they are in an Asylum. So they must be pretty crazy to not be able to hear it.

[mczad69]

Anybody else a little shocked about the demo where the player who was horrible by the way, snuck up behind 3 villans stealth killing each one. The best part being they were a few feet away form each other the guy grunts as he's getting taken down and the other guys are still poised guns up but don't hear or turn around. what are your thoughts....I'm still for this game but I hope they correct that...

if u listen closely in that area theres a motor running or some noise that was loud enough to drown out that of the guards