I think the theory about Ivy/Venom is correct.

[Ensanguined Walls]

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/BatmanArkhamAsylumBlog/4-1.jpg

When Ivy walks out of the room and says "that feels better", notice the background. It's red, slightly glowing, and looks like a sort of toxin. Now, remember the trailer of Bane? When Joker activated the Venom release, the background went red -- the same shade as the one we see in the room that Ivy is in!

Re-watch the Bane trailer, and then notice the background he's in and the color change in the room when the Venom is activated. Doesn't it resemble the room Ivy walked out of? She "felt better" after leaving it.

[EliteF50]

Also, look at the wires up there.

Looks like the thing Bane was hooked up to. Nice catch, Walls.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Also, look at the wires up there.

Looks like the thing Bane was hooked up to. Nice catch, Walls.

Yup, the same wires were in Bane's "prison". Maybe Ivy regularly visits him due to her expertise with venoms?

[Kai Rei]

Sweet. So, we're pretty sure Ivy's on venom, just like Bane. Let's hope that Croc or Scarecrow don't get their hand's on it.

Edit: If Scarecrow took some venom, he might become something like the Scarebeast...

[EliteF50]

Yup, the same wires were in Bane's "prison". Maybe Ivy regularly visits him due to her expertise with venoms?

Hmm. Maybe she helped Joker create the venom in the first place.

Like you said, she has experience with venoms.

I think she helped him, but Joker will double-cross her in the end.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Hmm. Maybe she helped Joker create the venom in the first place.

Like you said, she has experience with venoms.

In the trailer, she acted like she didn't know what Venom would do to her plants, assuming that they were on it. So Maybe the Joker is manipulating her experience?

[EliteF50]

In the trailer, she acted like she didn't know what Venom would do to her plants, assuming that they were on it. So Maybe the Joker is manipulating her experience?

Oh, you're right. I forgot about that.

This is turning out to be better than the Venom storyline we anticipated.

[thebatman226]

n also, her eyes are that super vibrant green that banes were after the injection of the venom

[Ensanguined Walls]

I think this is the general idea:

Bane was in Blackgate, so the Joker arranged a fire on Gotham's facility to have him and the other sane inmates transferred to Arkham. Then he needed a way for Batman to take him to the asylum in a way that wouldn't draw attention, so he turned himself in so he could be in the same insane facility as Bane while Gotham was repairing Blackgate. He perceived this as an opportunity to also kill Batman, so he arranged the entire break-out after careful planning and used the sane Blackgate inmates to hold Batman off.

Bane is now being tortured in Arkham to weaponize his Venom, while Poison Ivy is lending her experience with toxins to assist the Joker. However, only he knows his true intentions.

[Kai Rei]

You know what'd be REALLY messed up? If the Joker started pouring barrel's of the venom drug down into Croc's sewer system... Oh boy...

[XxScarecrowxX]

nice catch

[Ensanguined Walls]

You know what'd be REALLY messed up? If the Joker started pouring barrel's of the venom drug down into Croc's sewer system... Oh boy...

That actually could be what he does, since, if every inmate is presumably on an altered form of Venom, tossing it into the sewer system would work. What if he wants it to then flow into Gotham to create disorder?

[Ensanguined Walls]

I think we're starting to accurately predict the flow of the storyline.

[Ensanguined Walls]

With the Scarecrow, maybe the Joker needs him so he can take what Ivy does with the altered form of Venom and weaponize it, like he did with the foreign flowers in Batman Begins. Therefore, he would have a form of Venom that could be released into the air to transform Gotham's residents into mindless slaves for the Joker.

[Kai Rei]

With the Scarecrow, maybe the Joker needs him so he can take what Ivy does with the altered form of Venom and weaponize it, like he did with the foreign flowers in Batman Begins. Therefore, he would have a form of Venom that could be released into the air to transform Gotham's residents into mindless slaves for the Joker.

Maybe!

We should be demanding job's for this s**t, rofl.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Indeed.

I think Harley is just tagging along because she wants to do whatever the Joker commands. I believe that Ivy and Scarecrow, along with the tortured Bane, will be some of the main villains for the Venom weapon storyline.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Also, at the beginning of the Bane trailer, before Batman opens the door, we see what looks like an abandoned greenhouse. The walls are made of clear glass, and, when Bane runs down after falling (you can see the wires overhead, which are the wires of the same room Ivy's walking out of), I think you see some plants in the background.

[Kai Rei]

Also, at the beginning of the Bane trailer, before Batman opens the door, we see what looks like an abandoned greenhouse. The walls are made of clear glass, and, when Bane runs down after falling (you can see the wires overhead, which are the wires of the same room Ivy's walking out of), I think you see some plants in the background.

Agreed 100%... So it would seem some of Batman's foe's have willfully been stored inside those greenhouse's on venom pump's and some had to be captured ala Bane.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Agreed 100%... So it would seem some of Batman's foe's have willfully been stored inside those greenhouse's on venom pump's and some had to be captured ala Bane.

Hm, maybe Ivy's plants do the capturing.

[Ensanguined Walls]

http://i691.photobucket.com/albums/vv275/BatmanArkhamAsylumBlog/2.jpg

Here's the greenhouse in the area where Bane is being tortured for his Venom, it even looks like there's a plant inside. So I think the Ivy theory is very plausible.

[Kai Rei]

& I agree, it does look truly plausible. We're onto something, Walls.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Our accounts will be deleted tomorrow and this thread will be taken off for us discovering the secret! lol

[The Joker 1]

I think that they should have made her without any cloth below because is the same thing! They made her almost naked. I mean, is she a martian from Star Trek or what? she is completely green!

[arOnex20]

wow

you guys are like, really observant.

[Ensanguined Walls]

I think that they should have made her without any cloth below because is the same thing! They made her almost naked. I mean, is she a martian from Star Trek or what? she is completely green!

I think it's supposed to show how deeply she's involved with her plant experiments.

[Ensanguined Walls]

wow

you guys are like, really observant.

I'm surprised no one mentioned this before my thread, lol. I didn't realize at first, but then I thought, "Wtf are those wires and red lights? Isn't Ivy walking out of Bane's room?" Then I realized, "What about that glass greenhouse building in the Bane trailer? It makes sense!"

[Kai Rei]

I think that they should have made her without any cloth below because is the same thing! They made her almost naked. I mean, is she a martian from Star Trek or what? she is completely green!

No s**t, Einstein. :P

[XxScarecrowxX]

it all adds up
you guys should be detectives

[Ensanguined Walls]

Private Detectives Kai Rei and Ensanguined Walls!

[EliteF50]

Our accounts will be deleted tomorrow and this thread will be taken off for us discovering the secret! lol

Lol.

I really hope we didn't just ruin the story for ourselves... :(

[EliteF50]

Private Detectives Kai Rei and Ensanguined Walls!

I would've been helping with the detective work, too. But I just finished downloading the InFamous demo. :(

[The Joker 1]

Private Detectives Kai Rei and Ensanguined Walls!

Forgot The Joker Einstein, HAaaa,ha,ha,ha,haaaa!:lmao: I would be like Dr. Spock or something:D

[Ensanguined Walls]

I would've been helping with the detective work, too. But I just finished downloading the InFamous demo. :(

GameTrailers gave InFamous a 9/10, it looks like a great game. Plus, I loved the Sly Cooper series, so Sucker Punch could never fail.

I think we actually figured out some of the story. It makes a lot of sense that there's a Bane/Scarecrow/Joker/Ivy ring. When Joker threatens Gotham in some of the trailers, remember when he said "I'll start detonating random bombs around the city"? What if this involves Venom? Joker's a chaotic guy; they wouldn't be any normal bomb!

[XxScarecrowxX]

GameTrailers gave InFamous a 9/10, it looks like a great game. Plus, I loved the Sly Cooper series, so Sucker Punch could never fail.

I think we actually figured out some of the story. It makes a lot of sense that there's a Bane/Scarecrow/Joker/Ivy ring. When Joker threatens Gotham in some of the trailers, remember when he said "I'll start detonating random bombs around the city"? What if this involves Venom? Joker's a chaotic guy; they wouldn't be any normal bomb!

usually joker gives the people of gotham joker gas to give them a smile

[EliteF50]

GameTrailers gave InFamous a 9/10, it looks like a great game. Plus, I loved the Sly Cooper series, so Sucker Punch could never fail.

It's a great game. Do you have a PS3 or 360?

I think we actually figured out some of the story. It makes a lot of sense that there's a Bane/Scarecrow/Joker/Ivy ring. When Joker threatens Gotham in some of the trailers, remember when he said "I'll start detonating random bombs around the city"? What if this involves Venom? Joker's a chaotic guy; they wouldn't be any normal bomb!

You have the mind of Dini! While I have the mind of Michael Bay!

:D

[Ensanguined Walls]

Didn't one of the papers in the trailer mention random storms around Gotham? Hmm...

Maybe the Joker can't control the experiments himself?

[Ensanguined Walls]

I would seriously want a medal if our theory is right.

If you don't hear from me a week after this thread is deleted, remember me in your hearts.

[EliteF50]

Yeah, the newspaper said "Freak storms terrorize Gotham".

[Ensanguined Walls]

Yeah, the newspaper said "Freak storms terrorize Gotham".

Maybe it's just a bad weather season. Haha.

Or maybe Venom can affect storms now? Lol.

[EliteF50]

Lol, of course! Venom can do anything.

Seriously though, why hasn't the government nuked Gotham yet? It's worse than Detroit.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Lol, of course! Venom can do anything.

Seriously though, why hasn't the government nuked Gotham yet? It's worse than Detroit.

I guess that comes with comics: suspension of disbelief. I've always justified logical failures (why haven't the feds raided/shut down Gotham, etc) by thinking, "What if comic book worlds, while set on the same planet and in the same nations, are still in a "universe" that has new laws and different ways of enforcement?"

[The Joker 1]

Maybe it's just a bad weather season. Haha.

Or maybe Venom can affect storms now? Lol.

They invented the Joker venom so that kids could watch people laughing histerically, instead of Joker killing peple with a gun. Because it was a tv show for kids. Can you believe that where I live, all the kids love The Joker of Heath Ledger? I laugh, because one of my aunts says: " Can you imagine all the crazy and psychpathic kids that are going to be in this country?" Haaaaaaaa, ha,ha,ha,ha,haaaa!:lmao:

[KillerCroc]

You say your theory might be right, and you got facts, but every detective knows that you have to get all of them. We don't know if she is on venom, and if she was, wouldn't she have the same effect Bane gets with the overmuscluarity and such? There is no way to temper with Bane's venom like that, it's his one of a kind. So I don't think that Posion Ivy is using the Venom on herself as much as her plants, they were big, so it fits the description. True Posion Ivy might have something to do with the venom by adding her mind-controlling pollen into it, but I don't see how she could change it to make it non-defective, there isn't a scientist-villain at Arkham that has the experience to do that, so I think it's a bust that she is on venom.

[Ensanguined Walls]

You say your theory might be right, and you got facts, but every detective knows that you have to get all of them. We don't know if she is on venom, and if she was, wouldn't she have the same effect Bane gets with the overmuscluarity and such? There is no way to temper with Bane's venom like that, it's his one of a kind. So I don't think that Posion Ivy is using the Venom on herself as much as her plants, they were big, so it fits the description. True Posion Ivy might have something to do with the venom by adding her mind-controlling pollen into it, but I don't see how she could change it to make it non-defective, there isn't a scientist-villain at Arkham that has the experience to do that, so I think it's a bust that she is on venom.

We never said she's on Venom, as we know Ivy is immune to toxins. The theory is that, as the trailer screenshot showed her walking out of Bane's "room" (which had a glass greenhouse in it), she's lending her experience with toxins to help the Joker modify Venom to potentially add new effects. However, our theory was that, as she was surprised that her plants are growing stronger, the Joker is keeping a few secrets from her.

Detectives don't necessarily need every fact, but you have to admit that this evidence is convincing

[Ensanguined Walls]

Also, Ivy was formerly a scientist herself, and since the Joker is controlling Arkham, she would have access to the scientist facilities that the doctors there use.

[Ensanguined Walls]

There has to be a reason the Joker needed some sane villains at Blackgate transferred to Arkham, despite his need for thugs to keep Batman at bay. With all of the hints we have seen in the trailers, it seems very plausible that he had a few specific villains in mind when burning down Blackgate and assuming control over Arkham's cells. The Joker is intelligent, but how could be handle Bane on his own and hook him up to all of that scientific technology? That's where Ivy comes in.

[KillerCroc]

We never said she's on Venom, as we know Ivy is immune to toxins. The theory is that, as the trailer screenshot showed her walking out of Bane's "room" (which had a glass greenhouse in it), she's lending her experience with toxins to help the Joker modify Venom to potentially add new effects. However, our theory was that, as she was surprised that her plants are growing stronger, the Joker is keeping a few secrets from her.

Detectives don't necessarily need every fact, but you have to admit that this evidence is convincing Okay, so she has experience with the toxins, I'm still not convinced until the day the game is released and I fight her, then I will find out, until then, like my pops said "When you assume, you make an a** out of you and me"

[Ensanguined Walls]

Okay, so she has experience with the toxins, I'm still not convinced until the day the game is released and I fight her, then I will find out, until then, like my pops said "When you assume, you make an a** out of you and me"

Your choice, but the hints are very convincing.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Not to mention the fact that she walks out of the room where Bane is presumably tortured in the new trailer, and there's also what appears to be a glass greenhouse with monstrous plants in the Bane trailer.

[EliteF50]

I just thought of a flaw in your story:

Once we defeat Poison Ivy, Batman's most likely going to go through that door.

But if you remember in the Bane trailer, Gordon was with Batman at that time and I highly doubt they'd make you fight one boss after another that quick.

[Ensanguined Walls]

I just thought of a flaw in your story:

Once we defeat Poison Ivy, Batman's most likely going to go through that door.

But if you remember in the Bane trailer, Gordon was with Batman at that time and I highly doubt they'd make you fight one boss after another that quick.

That assumes a linear path. Batman could find Bane first, learn that Ivy is involved after he inspects the venom and sees the surroundings, and then try to find her, or he could find Gordon after defeating Ivy so he has police back-up while he attempts to handle Bane, who would be uncontrollable in a one-on-one scenario.

[Kai Rei]

I just thought of a flaw in your story:

Once we defeat Poison Ivy, Batman's most likely going to go through that door.

But if you remember in the Bane trailer, Gordon was with Batman at that time and I highly doubt they'd make you fight one boss after another that quick.

Once on venom, Ivy probably wouldn't mutate immediety because she's resistent to toxin's, which mean's the venom would have a hard time infecting her on a large scale like Bane, but instead would mutate her slowly. Her eye's are brightm green, exactly like Bane's, and she went on about something to do with her plant's being in pain, but actually becoming stronger.

Has to be a venom reference right there.

Edit:

Poison Ivy trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwWLvWHf-Z4

Bane trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc7xrRThix8&feature=related


Ivy and Bane come out of the same room, from the same machine, except Bane break's it when he fall's off I believe.

[Ensanguined Walls]

If you look on the new thread for the magazine scans, Elite, it mentions that Bane is one of the first bosses, so Batman finding out about Ivy after locating Bane/observing the new Venom tanks still holds up.

[EliteF50]

Ah, I see.

Thanks for correcting me.

[Ensanguined Walls]

What he mean's is they were both in GREENHOUSE-esque room's, except in different location's.

Bane was in the asylum somewhere, probably intensive treatment, and Ivy was in the outside region's.

Once on venom, Ivy probably wouldn't mutate immediety because she's resistent to toxin's, which mean's the venom would have a hard time infecting her on a large scale like Bane, but instead would mutate her slowly. Her eye's are brightm green, exactly like Bane's, and she went on about something to do with her plant's being in pane, but actually becoming stronger.

Has to be a venom reference right there.

Not to mention the fact that she says "let's grow together", meaning that she believes she's slowly becoming stronger, like her plants.

[XxScarecrowxX]

i hope scarecrow has a big role in this game

[Ensanguined Walls]

i hope scarecrow has a big role in this game

According to a preview, he gasses Batman. There's a lighthouse level, and the magazine hinted that Scarecrow is hiding out in there, experimenting.

[XxScarecrowxX]

According to a preview, he gasses Batman. There's a lighthouse level, and the magazine hinted that Scarecrow is hiding out in there, experimenting.

that sounds cool

[CaptainMcMulla]

Scarecrow in the game would just put the icing on the cake.

[Ensanguined Walls]

He is confirmed. He was on the comic cover for the comic they're making to celebrate the release of this game. Apparently, he wears a gasmask and has red eyes peaking out of his mask. He also wears a hood. David Keye from the Resistance series is voicing him.

[CaptainMcMulla]

OH YES!!! "Taste of your own medicine, doctor"

[Ensanguined Walls]

OH YES!!! "Taste of your own medicine, doctor"

"Dr. Crane isn't here right now...but if you'd like to leave a message..."

*Batman shakes his head and knocks Scarecrow out.*

[The Comedian]

wow

you guys are like, really observant.

It's called "obsessing"

just kidding

[KillerCroc]

Scarecrow Year One was good, there was a graphic novel with him and Two-Face Year One, I highly recommend it. You know that giant Penny in the Batcave? It also explains how that came to be. o_O

[Ensanguined Walls]

Also, when Ivy walks out of the room, I think those wires were the ones that held up Bane, and they were not too far from the greenhouse in the Bane section. She claimed that she felt a lot better after leaving, and the glowing red lights only appear when someone activates the Venom machine. Did she recharge herself?

[Ensanguined Walls]

I just looked, and the shade of Ivy's glowing green eyes are the same as Bane after the Joker filled him with Venom. Perhaps Ivy's resistance to toxins makes the Venom increase her strength/abilities, but it slowly impacts the size of her exterior? Maybe she developed an alternative juice that doesn't turn her into a hulking beast?

She even said she would "grow together" with her presumably juiced plants.

[Ensanguined Walls]

What if there are more of these "Venom machines" around Arkham? Since the Joker needs to keep Bane on one for partial imprisonment, they must need more for the others. Or have they found a way to mass distribute Venom via the air or another weaponized source?

[Ensanguined Walls]

Harley Quinn also looked like she was interrogating the Head of Arkham in her trailer by hitting him across the face while he was being held! Maybe he knows something about the capabilities of the facility that the Joker needs? Hmm...

[Ensanguined Walls]

I wonder if Keir will comment on this, lol.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Maybe the history of the Arkham family and their deeds will tie into this, as well.

[Kai Rei]

Maybe the history of the Arkham family and their deeds will tie into this, as well.

I hope so. That'd be awesome. And you and I share the same opinion on Ivy being so resistant to toxin's that venom can't instantly mutate her exterior.

[Ensanguined Walls]

I hope so. That'd be awesome. And you and I share the same opinion on Ivy being so resistant to toxin's that venom can't instantly mutate her exterior.

Yeah, that's why I think she has the same eye shade as Bane and the same apparent strength, but less of a mutated exterior due to the fact that her body is resisting the other effects of the toxin. The same applies to her supposedly juiced plants: they seemed the same at first, but they were slowly changing until they became the ultimate killers.

[Kai Rei]

Yeah, that's why I think she has the same eye shade as Bane and the same apparent strength, but less of a mutated exterior due to the fact that her body is resisting the other effects of the toxin. The same applies to her supposedly juiced plants: they seemed the same at first, but they were slowly changing until they became the ultimate killers.

Exactly! And another thing which I think hint's at the venom-enhanced strength of the plant's is that when Batman crushes the vine in his hand, he "grunt's" in a way which seem's as if he's struggling to crush the vine. Their growning stronger alright....

[Ensanguined Walls]

Exactly! And another thing which I think hint's at the venom-enhanced strength of the plant's is that when Batman crushes the vine in his hand, he "grunt's" in a way which seem's as if he's struggling to crush the vine. Their growning stronger alright....

The green juice that comes out of them may seem normal for a huge plant, but it looks like the same shade as Venom. Just a guess.

[Kai Rei]

The green juice that comes out of them may seem normal for a huge plant, but it looks like the same shade as Venom. Just a guess.

It does... I'm sure Ivy is in on this venom gag.

So we know Ivy's on it, Bane is evidently on it and Joker is behind thing's some how. Now we need to ask ourselve's what the other member's of the rogue's gallery would want with venom...

[Ensanguined Walls]

It does... I'm sure Ivy is in on this venom gag.

So we know Ivy's on it, Bane is evidently on it and Joker is behind thing's some how. Now we need to ask ourselve's what the other member's of the rogue's gallery would want with venom...

I have some ideas with Scarecrow, and I know Harley probably has no specific plans due to the fact that she does whatever the Joker commands, but I'm not sure what Croc would want. Like Ivy, some of them may be partially ignorant to the nature of the Joker's ultimate plan.

[Darkwing_Duck]

It does... I'm sure Ivy is in on this venom gag.

So we know Ivy's on it, Bane is evidently on it and Joker is behind thing's some how. Now we need to ask ourselve's what the other member's of the rogue's gallery would want with venom...

Hopefully none. I don't want to see every single villain hyped up on Venom. That would be pretty cheap to me.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Hopefully none. I don't want to see every single villain hyped up on Venom. That would be pretty cheap to me.

Some of them are probably being manipulated by the Joker. Maybe he brought Batman to Arkham with his tricks simply to ensure their cooperation, due to the fact that they have always wanted to kill him?

[Kai Rei]

I have some ideas with Scarecrow, and I know Harley probably has no specific plans due to the fact that she does whatever the Joker commands, but I'm not sure what Croc would want. Like Ivy, some of them may be partially ignorant to the nature of the Joker's ultimate plan.

Croc could be ignorant, as he's alway's been a bit dumb intelligence wise and is probably oblivious to Joker's master plan's... Damn it.. With Dini writing the story we'll probably never know until we know. lol

[Ensanguined Walls]

Croc could be ignorant, as he's alway's been a bit dumb intelligence wise and is probably oblivious to Joker's master plan's... Damn it.. With Dini writing the story we'll probably never know until we know. lol

Like I said, I think the Joker surrendered himself and then trapped Batman to ensure their cooperation, as he knew that having Batman there would make them want to listen to the Joker in order to suceed.

[Kai Rei]

Like I said, I think the Joker surrendered himself and then trapped Batman to ensure their cooperation, as he knew that having Batman there would make them want to listen to the Joker in order to suceed.

Good point. Also, I think it was "unofficially" confirmed that Hush is in this somehow. He may fit into the bigger picture of thing's... Hush on venom.. Holy s**t.

Wasn't it confirmed AGE'S ago that the villain who is a magician is in this? The woman who is a magician or something and wear's a black and white magician suit?

[Drazar]

So your saying that:

Yo dawg, we heard you liked poison so we putted poison in your poison ivy!

The theory is good, and the idea of Bane venom playing a central part on the story is good to be honest, i mean Paul Dini even made Scarecrow use the bane venom ona freaking 9 YEAR OLD kid.... yeah imagen the stereoids on that kid haha.

[Darkwing_Duck]

Good point. Also, I think it was "unofficially" confirmed that Hush is in this somehow. He may fit into the bigger picture of thing's... Hush on venom.. Holy s**t.

Wasn't it confirmed AGE'S ago that the villain who is a magician is in this? The woman who is a magician or something and wear's a black and white magician suit?

Zatanna? Seriously? She's in Arkham?

[Ensanguined Walls]

Good point. Also, I think it was "unofficially" confirmed that Hush is in this somehow. He may fit into the bigger picture of thing's... Hush on venom.. Holy s**t.

Wasn't it confirmed AGE'S ago that the villain who is a magician is in this? The woman who is a magician or something and wear's a black and white magician suit?

Villains like Hush aren't necessarily in the game, they simply said that a lot of villains are mentioned by the Riddler in his challenges. As for Catwoman, they're simply mentioned in the prisoner logs, but they aren't major characters.

[Ensanguined Walls]

So your saying that:

Yo dawg, we heard you liked poison so we putted poison in your poison ivy!

The theory is good, and the idea of Bane venom playing a central part on the story is good to be honest, i mean Paul Dini even made Scarecrow use the bane venom ona freaking 9 YEAR OLD kid.... yeah imagen the stereoids on that kid haha.

Specifically, the image shows that Ivy exited a room similar to the one Bane was trapped in, and her dialogue indicates that Venom was used to some extent. In the Bane trailer, remember the glass greenhouse-looking building that zoomed into distance as Batman opened the door to the laboratory?

[Kai Rei]

Zatanna? Seriously? She's in Arkham?

Maybe. I'm sure she'd been confirmed... Could have been a long-standing rumor though.

We've got to remember that many inmate's from Blackgate have been transferred over to Arkham. This could even include Deadshot and Penguin.

Could they have specific role's on a venom storyline?

[Drazar]

Well it could be multiple doors, we can't tell. But the venom on the plants is also reasonable. Since Ivy first states she beleived they were in hurt (just like bane venom injection hurts first since your muscules go boom powered up) but then she sees they evolved. This actually reminds me of the poisonous venom plant in resident evil 1 abit. ^^;

EDIT: Zatanna is Paul Dini's love, her being on the story as a cameo is very likely, but as a important part? Nah this is all about Batman & Joker's relations, really thats how its been advertised and told by almost everyone from Sefton to Paul Dini.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Maybe. I'm sure she'd been confirmed... Could have been a long-standing rumor though.

We've got to remember that many inmate's from Blackgate have been transferred over to Arkham. This could even include Deadshot and Penguin.

Could they have specific role's on a venom storyline?

Some of them are simply mentioned in riddles. I believe they said Hush is simply mentioned in the game, like some villains that don't make a physical appearance, but appear on pictures throughout the asylum.

[Kai Rei]

Some of them are simply mentioned in riddles. I believe they said Hush is simply mentioned in the game, like some villains that don't make a physical appearance, but appear on pictures throughout the asylum.

So I see. :P

Ivy on venom is kinda scary to be honest. This will rule.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Besides, having too many villains is never a good thing, I don't want mere cameos. I want relevant baddies.

[Kai Rei]

Besides, having too many villains is never a good thing, I don't want mere cameos. I want relevant baddies.

Is Hush really that big of a villain that he'd botch the storyline? I don't know too much about him due to not being a comic book reader.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Is Hush really that big of a villain that he'd botch the storyline? I don't know too much about him due to not being a comic book reader.

I have no idea how he would fit at all. I'd rather have about 6 main villains that actually contribute to the storyline than a bunch of worthless cameos.

[FearGasVictim09]

i thought about this venom-theory too, but i did it because when she talks with batman, she says something about her plants and that she thought that they were in pain and now she realized that they're evolving and growing stronger

[thebatman226]

I have no idea how he would fit at all. I'd rather have about 6 main villains that actually contribute to the storyline than a bunch of worthless cameos.

Same here.

And also in an interview somewhere they said they arnt throwing in villains just for sake of it, so maybe theyll all have some sort of higher contribution to the story.

[Drazar]

I'll explain about Hush, hes loved in these boards but too few people have read "The Heart of Hush" which to be honest is far supriour, while Hush story was a good 1-year event of Batman vs. baddies, so yeah here goes. I WARN YOU tho for the SPOILERS. Just typing in caps to make sure people know what they will read. :)


Dr. Thomas Elliot used to be a good childhood friend of Bruce Wayne, infact he was practically the only friend Bruce ever had (yeah he wasn't that good with socializing or school popularity) and both were in a wealthy family. The thing is tho that Thomas hated his parents. Simply because his father was a alcoholic and his mother a total *****, so the kid broke their car breaks and the parents got into a car crash, killing the father but the mother survived due to Thomas Wayne surgery. So this is where Jeph Loeb started with Hush being "hurrr i hate you Bruce, your father saved my mother hurr i hate you" yeah it sounds really poorly developed but luckily Paul Dini established this alot more.

So yeah Bruce and Thomas were in a boyscout camp and Thomas' mother was being really protective, oh yeah his Mother had the bandage bound on her head which is where Hush's mask originates from, its the same cotton bandage that he uses to this day. :) So yeah Thomas got psycho at a boy who called him a mama's boy and Thomas met a doctor in Arkham Asylum for therapy, Wanna guess who the doctor was? ;) Thats right readers, its Jonathan "Scarecrow" Crane.

Moving on to their teenager days this is where the real hatred for Bruce Wayne began for Thomas. His mother was constantly blapping about Bruce being so good and well mannered and she pretty much treated him like a complete trash, always complaining and nitpicking. Also Thomas fell in love with Peyton Riley (the second, sexy blond Ventriloquest nowdays) who was in mob family, so ofcourse she opposed this too and when they decided to get married she declared she won't give any money to thomas in her will... Well you can prolly guess why the mother died by now.

So really thats the reason Hush hates Bruce, because of him beng such a perfectionist, thomas' mom adoring him and all that personal hate because Thomas saved the mother and whatnot, pretty much got him into obsessive hatred.

I can continue giving more details, especially since the guy took a plastic surgery and you can probably guess who he looks like nowdays. ;)

[Ensanguined Walls]

They seem to be using more traditional Batman villains, so I don't see how Hush would fit.

[Drazar]

Hush has no relations to Arkham Asylum outside Dr. Crane. Really Hush works for Gotham City perfectly.

[Darkboy]

Call me a picky pessimist, but I'd hate to think that EVERY villain ends up on Venom. That'd be a sad copout IMO.

Regardless of what happens I'm still sure this game will be great.

[Drazar]

If Ivy is in venom we see her as it is now, and you can see it doesnt make her some IM ON STEROIDS RAWR. But really, even Joker could be on venom but not as buffed up monster, but as a guy with greater agile and tougher skin so he can battle an armored batman better.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

If any one has seen "The Batman" take on ivy she can control people with some sort of powder coming from some plant spores. Perhaps this is used in the game and Joker gets her to control Croc to go make a distraction meanwhile Ivy and Bain do like yall say with the serum. I think Harley has a bigger role (mainly because she gets new dudes and that can only mean one thing). Also me and my bro were joking but what if Joker somhow manages to put all Arkhams Super's (Freeze, Bane, Ivy, Scarecrow...etc) powers and abilities into the serum and injects himself with it. Would be an taugh and awesome twist

[GR1NG0_SU4V3]

Call me a picky pessimist, but I'd hate to think that EVERY villain ends up on Venom. That'd be a sad copout IMO.

Regardless of what happens I'm still sure this game will be great.

I'm afraid of that as well, but I doubt EVERY villain is in on the plan.
After all,
most, if not all of the villains have issues/rivalries with one another.
I'm sure Joker doesn't have everyone in on the Venom dealio.

Is Hush really that big of a villain that he'd botch the storyline? I don't know too much about him due to not being a comic book reader.

personally,
I don't think so.
I'm not saying a boss battle with him is needed,
but a little conversation cutscene with him would be nice.
I'm really pulling for this game to go into the psychology of Batman,
and not just the fun run and gun story that the animated series/comics have.
For every graphic novel like Arkham Asylum, though, with it's serious setting and topic matter,
you have ones like Hush, which is fun little narrations that have the usual twists and turns.

In the end,
every villain will serve their purpose, I'm sure.

[DarkKnight11]

Also, when Ivy walks out of the room, I think those wires were the ones that held up Bane, and they were not too far from the greenhouse in the Bane section. She claimed that she felt a lot better after leaving, and the glowing red lights only appear when someone activates the Venom machine. Did she recharge herself?

How can you know how far they are? You do recognize that the room she emerges from is not at all the same room as the one Bane is held in, right? The doors are totally different.

Also, for the red light and smoke, doesn't Bane trying to tear out of the machine cause the smoke? And the red lights may not be attached to the device itself.

[Ensanguined Walls]

How can you know how far they are? You do recognize that the room she emerges from is not at all the same room as the one Bane is held in, right? The doors are totally different.

Also, for the red light and smoke, doesn't Bane trying to tear out of the machine cause the smoke? And the red lights may not be attached to the device itself.

You need to calm down a bit. We're proposing theories, not saying, "OH GOD THIS IS EXACTLY HOW IT WILL HAPPEN!" In fact, I clearly remember saying that it could be a different door and the same general area. The red shade in the background looks the same, so it's quite plausible that it's the color that indicates the Venom has been activated.

[Ensanguined Walls]

In the OP, notice the wires by Ivy resemble the wires that were suspending Bane.

[B47M4N]

In my opinion, I've found that dini's storylines aren't very predictable. I think ya'll may be close but knowing dini... He'll probably pull a complete 180 on us.

I've never had a doubt as far as the plot in this game is concerned, because dini is a master at his trade. I'm sure he came up with something to completely "wow" us.

[DarkKnight11]

The OP doesn't say anything about the wires. Regardless, I am simply pointing out that your theory assumes the geography of Arkham, but there is no evidence to support such a belief. Also, the red smoke could be some kind of flower pollen. Red smoke is commonly associated with Poison Ivy and doesn't mean any warning system has been activated on the Venom injection device.

I just feel your theory has some major holes. That said, I agree that Ivy has been messing around with Venom.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

You people better stop now or else they might delay the game even longer because you guessed the storyline!

[Jables_Kage]

seems they are all on venom drugged up bastards!

[Lunar]

It's a great game. Do you have a PS3 or 360?:D
ELITE do you know about the Ps3 exclusive Heavy Rain?

[Kai Rei]

seems they are all on venom drugged up bastards!

Blame Bane. :D [and Joker]

[FearGasVictim09]

The OP doesn't say anything about the wires. Regardless, I am simply pointing out that your theory assumes the geography of Arkham, but there is no evidence to support such a belief. Also, the red smoke could be some kind of flower pollen. Red smoke is commonly associated with Poison Ivy and doesn't mean any warning system has been activated on the Venom injection device.

I just feel your theory has some major holes. That said, I agree that Ivy has been messing around with Venom.

i think the theory is very plausible. of course we can't be completely sure how it will turn out, but before i read this stuff about the wires, i also thought that the room ivy comes out looks a lot like the one bane was in.
and i think that this isn't red smoke, it's just smoke that appears to be red, because of the red lights that get turned on, when the venom machine is activated, watch the bane-trailer again and you have to agree that it at least looks similar. also the green eyes...bane gets the exact same green eyes ivy has, when joker fills him up with the venom.
of course these are only theories, but these are things you can see in the trailers and why shouldn't we speculate a bit, before the game comes out? it's more fun than just waiting and denying everything that's not confirmed yet ;)

[Ensanguined Walls]

The OP doesn't say anything about the wires. Regardless, I am simply pointing out that your theory assumes the geography of Arkham, but there is no evidence to support such a belief. Also, the red smoke could be some kind of flower pollen. Red smoke is commonly associated with Poison Ivy and doesn't mean any warning system has been activated on the Venom injection device.

I just feel your theory has some major holes. That said, I agree that Ivy has been messing around with Venom.

Well, we know the basic area of Arkham since we have seen images of the facility's map on the story demos, and the smoke looks remarkably like the smoke the altered form of Venom produced. Same shade and everything. Since Ivy waked out of a room with wires, and the room that Batman found Bane in had a greenhouse in it, I think Ivy has visited him.

[Kai Rei]

Well, we know the basic area of Arkham since we have seen images of the facility's map on the story demos, and the smoke looks remarkably like the smoke the altered form of Venom produced. Same shade and everything. Since Ivy waked out of a room with wires, and the room that Batman found Bane in had a greenhouse in it, I think Ivy has visited him.

Agreed. Well... Aslong as nobody else get their hand's of venom, we should be ok. Ivy and Bane will be enough to deal with on venom. Anyone else is overkill.

[FearGasVictim09]

the weird thing is that ivy should be immune to any kind f venom :confused:

[DarkKnightDanny]

the weird thing is that ivy should be immune to any kind f venom :confused:

i think her body would embrace it more, think thats whats happening

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

i think her body would embrace it more, think thats whats happening

Yeah cuz she wouldnt need a constant supply of venom like bane does.


And i think they may be making miniture whatyamacallit thingys like bane has. Cuz in the Break Bane trailer that suped up thug has a humpback. It may be becuase they like gave him a venom backpack and somehow his skin grew over the pack.


Yeah probable not just tossing in my scarred lucky coin

[Ensanguined Walls]

Bump for more detective work! Right now I'm thinking about what secrets Arkham may harbor. It has to be more complex than what we believe at the moment. Perhaps the Joker knows that there are greater secrets within the walls? In the Harley Quinn trailer, she was interrogating the Warden. Maybe she was being sadistic, but maybe she also needed critical information.

I found a bunch of new previews online, too. I'll have to submit them soon.

Also, I remember seeing concept art for this game somewhere. I need to find it again. It showed concept art for Batman and his cowl. One of the pieces showed his cowl with green-shaded eyes. Venom? Technology?

[Zombie-Gamer]

The wires in the pic are coming out of a flower.... look at the top of the pic

[Ensanguined Walls]

Doesn't look like a flower to me.

[Zombie-Gamer]

Doesn't look like a flower to me.

It looks like the plant you fight in the first resident evil. There are like petals near the "tubes".

[Ensanguined Walls]

Doesn't look that way at all. ;P

[Zombie-Gamer]

Doesn't look that way at all. ;P

Ok maybe not then lol .... leave me alone I just got up :D

[Kai Rei]

Would venom have any effect on Clayface?... He can shapeshift and everything so I wonder if venom would have any effect on his liquid-like body...

[Ensanguined Walls]

Hello, fellow investigators.

In the recent IGN commentary, Sefton said that Poison Ivy plays a significant role in the game, giving a bit more credibility to our heavily discussed theory. This significance could mean that she's very much involved in the production of a new Venom for distribution amongst the thugs, and it would explain why Bane's chamber is filled with plants and a greenhouse near the entryway. Now, this is still speculation, but I think we are certainly on to something story-wise.

[Ensanguined Walls]

Would venom have any effect on Clayface?... He can shapeshift and everything so I wonder if venom would have any effect on his liquid-like body...

Not necessarily. Venom doesn't work with every substance, and it would be difficult with Clayface, since he could theoretically shift into every strong object imaginable (as long as it works within reason). Maybe the Venom would harden his exterior and increase the impact of his shapeshifting weaponry, but that's about it. I don't know if his bodily structure makes him more resistant to the effects of Venom, which is probably intended for less supernatural targets.

[CodeBlack]

When Ivy walks out of the room and says "that feels better", notice the background. It's red, slightly glowing, and looks like a sort of toxin. Now, remember the trailer of Bane? When Joker activated the Venom release, the background went red -- the same shade as the one we see in the room that Ivy is in!

Re-watch the Bane trailer, and then notice the background he's in and the color change in the room when the Venom is activated. Doesn't it resemble the room Ivy walked out of? She "felt better" after leaving it.

I'm pretty much behind the current theory going around the thread, but I did think of an alternative.

Given how incredibly sadistic Ivy is, it might instead be that she is in charge of torturing Bane and uncovering the secrets of Venom, rather than being on it or having herself or her plants tampered with without her knowledge. In that vein, "that feels better" would instead be her expressing her sadistic pleasure at torturing someone.

That way, Ivy would be more like the guardian for the area; beating Ivy would leave the pathway to Bane open, as part of the sequence of events.


I like the other theory better, it's much more... interesting.

[Ensanguined Walls]

I'm pretty much behind the current theory going around the thread, but I did think of an alternative.

Given how incredibly sadistic Ivy is, it might instead be that she is in charge of torturing Bane and uncovering the secrets of Venom, rather than being on it or having herself or her plants tampered with without her knowledge. In that vein, "that feels better" would instead be her expressing her sadistic pleasure at torturing someone.

That way, Ivy would be more like the guardian for the area; beating Ivy would leave the pathway to Bane open, as part of the sequence of events.


I like the other theory better, it's much more... interesting.

Yeah, we established that Ivy could also have a role in experimenting on Bane directly. It was confirmed in a preview magazine that Bane is one of the first bosses in the game, so I think that you discover him first and then link his torture to Ivy's experimentation by investigating his chamber.

[Ryanodamonkey]

what about Amygdala?

And is there any other confirmed villains?

[CaptainMcMulla]

what about Amygdala?

And is there any other confirmed villains?

We shall find out in the next few weeks.

[Ryanodamonkey]

I was really hoping for Freeze to be in this game because he would test the game's mechanics really way.

Ah well one can hope :rolleyes:

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

Shoulda put a spoiler on your title douche....dont spoil this game for everyone you shouldnt have put nything in the title except poison ivy spoiler....way to go.....ds

[Ensanguined Walls]

Shoulda put a spoiler on your title douche....dont spoil this game for everyone you shouldnt have put nything in the title except poison ivy spoiler....way to go.....ds

These are not spoilers. They are theories that could very well be wrong.

[Batman:THE DARK KNIGHT]

no offense but its still a spoiler.......Please label carefully next time....Most games Im like most of you I research until I know whats going on but this game is very near and dear to me I grew up on the animated series and I dont want anything ruining the gameplay experience I want ot be completely surprised....be careful next time please.

[Ensanguined Walls]

no offense but its still a spoiler.......Please label carefully next time....Most games Im like most of you I research until I know whats going on but this game is very near and dear to me I grew up on the animated series and I dont want anything ruining the gameplay experience I want ot be completely surprised....be careful next time please.

These are not spoilers, mate. They are theories and guesses that could be very wrong. If you were worried about "spoilers", the thread title should have been a sufficient warning, as it stated that this was a thread for theories. I understand how you feel about this game, but none of the information in this thread is guaranteed to be accurate. It's the same as any other theory thread on this forum, of which there are many.

[Ensanguined Walls]

But I will oblige and ask a moderator to put a warning in the title. You are the only one who has reacted negatively to it, as we have all been discussing the theory, but I do understand where you are coming from as a dedicated fan.

[curiousgerbil]

But I will oblige and ask a moderator to put a warning in the title. You are the only one who has reacted negatively to it, as we have all been discussing the theory, but I do understand where you are coming from as a dedicated fan.

Very diplomatic.:thumb:

[PeaceTree]

heh i really hope you guys are way off...