FORUM FEEDBACK - General Discussion (Launch/Design/Questions etc.)

[van_HellSing]

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Seriously, Thief and l33t sp33k don't mix.

[Subjective Effect]

Stop being grumpy all over the net.

[TheJoker]

I think it looks pretty neat..

[kin]

I hope the ingame ideas are better than the title idea.

[VIKTORIA]

I actually love it, it works well. :thumb:

[van_HellSing]

I actually love it, it works well. :thumb:

That's your job.

[René]

It's just a working title for now. As you can see, we are using www.thief4.com and the name of this forum is Thief 4 not THI4F. So don't worry!

[Thievingtaffer]

I don't mind it. Could be better, but I'm certainly not complaining.

[van_HellSing]

It's just a working title for now. As you can see, we are using www.thief4.com and the name of this forum is Thief 4 not THI4F. So don't worry!

I hope so. ;)

[VIKTORIA]

That's your job.

On the contrary, I am a devoted Thief fan since the original game and a long-term member of TTLG forum. I express an honest opinion, always. :cool:

[the resolute girl]

if the maturity in designing the new title card is any indication of the design quality that went into the game we can be prepared for large-scale swordfights and female sidekicks with oversized porch all done with a context-sensitive one-button 3rd person camera control scheme.

Yo GARRETT, what's cookin' ?

just joking......will judge once the REAL info gets out. and I mean gameplay, not screenshots or prerendered trailers.

[dark_angel_7]

Its kind of grown on me actually! However I need to now go and play all 3 Thief games. :P

[Orest Reinn]

I registered only to protest against l33t speak.
No matter how well it looks for average gamer, almost none of Thief players use such a tounge and probably most of us find it disgusting. It's because of specific quiet and serious climax of that game, such different from typical atmosphere of the internet. Linking both together makes a sense of grotesque and makes me feel afraid of your plans about "Thi4f". I'm afraid that actual Thief fans aren't your target group and you are going to create a game for stereotypical 12-years old gamer thinking only about mindless action. (no offence, Artass, I don't mean all of 12-years old gamers ;])

PS. 4 is for A, not E.

[Thievingtaffer]

Am I the only one who still has to deal with the '-' for www.thief4.com?

[spyhopping]

The title looks good, if unconventional... but trying not to pronounce it the way my brain is telling me.... Thifourf

[van_HellSing]

No, th4r4's still nothing th4r4.

[kin]

Wh4r4 is St4ph4n Russ4ll

[StalinsGhost]

Thi4f has to go. A series of this calibre shouldn't have such nonsense. Glad to see that it's not set in stone :)

[BrokenArts]

At least the forum colors are great! I'm kidding. Another forum to visit! :)

[TheJoker]

Am I the only one who still has to deal with the '-' for www.thief4.com?

Same here

[kin]

Does not work for me too

[Neb]

At least they even put a 4 in there. All of the Deadly Shadows kids who didn't know it was the third in the series will be baffled.

[Thievingtaffer]

It seems finicky for me. Try http://www.thief4.com/? for some reason the ? helped me on another computer. Not much there though, guys, so I'll save you the effort. It just links you back here. Still nice to look at and warms me up inside.

[karacho]

I liked THIEF, i think it was a good title. THIEF sounds good and it suits the theme of the game.

Why is the new title THIAF?

What is a THIAF, and how do you even pronounce it?

[Dominus]

Fixed!

http://i43.tinypic.com/11ceefa.jpg

[mister_riz]

Oh dear...

[van_HellSing]

Ind44d.

[Barsavian]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v603/Reverberon/1242049800172.jpg

[br4thr4n]

What's wrong with th4 titl4, I kind of lik4 it. :D

[René]

Am I the only one who still has to deal with the '-' for www.thief4.com?

Refresh your browser or clear your cache?

[UrUkUs]

Refresh your browser or clear your cache?

pwnt!:D

[vorob_]

René

Is this "4" the final point, or there is a chance that it could transform in normal Thief IV?

[Barsavian]

Theft4Loot

[Smiffydude]

Get rid of Thi4f, its terrible. Numbers replacing letters in words isn't clever, its smug. Keep the roman numerals.

[Thievingtaffer]

Refresh your browser or clear your cache?
Yes, thanks Rene'. :)

[VIKTORIA]

René

Is this "4" the final point, or there is a chance that it could transform in normal Thief IV?

It's just a working title for now.
We are using www.thief4.com and the name of this forum is Thief 4 not THI4F.

[Nate]

Ok, I agree that 'Thi4f' is a bit lame....but easily forgivable.

How would you pronounce that? 'Thifarrrfff'?

[kin]

Can we make the background more luminous my eyes hurts reading white letters on a black background?
Anyone with the same problem?
Is there a quick fix?

[Garrett Vega]

The letters are blue and the style fits the Thief theme perfectly.

However I do think that there should be a more bright theme for people who have eye problems.

[Keir]

Hiya - sorry to hear about your eyes, I'm the one to blame D:

Admittedly the skin is a bit on the darkside isn't it </darthvader>

I will do some fiddling soon to lighten things up a bit. Bear with me :)

[kin]

Hiya - sorry to hear about your eyes, I'm the one to blame D:

Admittedly the skin is a bit on the darkside isn't it </darthvader>

I will do some fiddling soon to lighten things up a bit. Bear with me :)

Thank you so much:thumb:

[Bloodwolf806]

Eh, I think it's alright.

[Bukary]

I will do some fiddling soon to lighten things up a bit. Bear with me :)
Great news! Thanks!

[DCH]

I googled and found a prefect example for a more subtle dark coloring in this website:

www.nanocake.com/forums

[kin]

I googled and found a prefect example for a more subtle dark coloring in this website:

www.nanocake.com/forums

That looks alot better (as a tone) for my eyes at least.

[Garrett Vega]

Hiya - sorry to hear about your eyes, I'm the one to blame D:

Admittedly the skin is a bit on the darkside isn't it </darthvader>

I will do some fiddling soon to lighten things up a bit. Bear with me :)

Better yet, add a new theme but keep this one as well. I, for one, like it a lot.

[Hmuda]

The whole "Thiaf" thing is so hillariously moronic that I can't help but like it. :)

Although if they can't get the most childish net thing right (namely 3=E and 4=A in 1337-speak), then they really need some professional help in the marketing department. :)

[Bono]

van_HellSing finally turned to the side of EM critics! :)


Seriously, guys, it's not an easy thing to piss off the fans just with the logo.

Bravo.

[NewHorizon]

It's kind of a major relaunching of the series. If it were my company, I would really want to make the best impression possible.

Leet speak would have worked for Thief 3...lets forget deadly shadows happened. ;)

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs024.snc1/4264_195415305787_644095787_6869572_7888281_n.jpg

In the meantime, please...please consider replacing the Thi4f with something a bit more Thief oriented. Something like Leet Speak works for Deus 3X, but not in a Thief title. Bad choices like this right out of the starting gate do not give me a hell of a lot of faith in the team at all. :(

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs024.snc1/4264_195427485787_644095787_6869931_2049918_n.jpg

[Noceur]

Haha... I laugh every time I look at that Thiaf logo. :lol:

Seriously, though... since it's just a working title, it doesn't matter. Maybe not the best working title to throw at some already abused Thief fans, but still. :P

[vorob_]

Thi f: Abomination

[Hmuda]

When they enable sig pictures, this one is soooo going into mine.

http://www.sg.hu/forumkepek/2009_05/Thief4Header.jpg

[Nate]

Errrr, you mean an age of dyslexia is upon us?


They could call it 'T$$$F4' and I wouldn't care as long as the gameplay rocks!

[Hmuda]

Lighten up, just poking fun at a temoprary thing...

[Buccura]

I'm not particularly upset but I do hope it's just a working title. Keep in mind that the game is in the early stages of development.

[van_HellSing]

van_HellSing finally turned to the side of EM critics! :)

What? There are no sides here, when I like something say it, when I don't like something I say that too. Sometimes in unpleasant ways. But I'm neither a blind fanboy or a frothing-at-the-mouth basher.

[vorob_]

You know, guys, that's absolutely insane.

This is the WORST way to announce the game you could possibly come with.

Just think about the situation. We've got a new team with no completed games in its portfolio, and the only thing we know about this team is that they are making Deus Ex 3 full of controvercial design decisions (regenerating health, yeah). Until today we also knew that this team was most probably working on Thief 4, a game with a very strong hardcore fanbase that is EXTREMELY conservative. The PR persons in Eidos Montreal repeatedly told us that they've learned their lessons and surely know what the fans of the games want.

And today they announce the game.

They give us nothing - no artworks, no teasers, no details, absolutely no information about the game. Nothing whatsoever. Besides the logo. Yeah, they just reveal the logo. On logo, it is Thi4f.

Just think about it: a new, ambitional team willing to succeed on making a long-awaited sequel to a classical game KNOWS that there is conservative fan-base dreaming about Thief 4 to be a game made as close to the original games as possible, and they GIVE THEM THIEF 4 WITH THE L33T LOGO. This is absolutely ridiculous.

It's not an easy think to make the fans of the game angry just with the logo. The geniuses in Eidos Montreal, however, completed this difficult task. We've got just the logo, but we are ALREADY angry, making conclusions about the game's target audience and wondering how much more stupid could these guys be and which 'fantastic' design decisions they are going to make.

Even if it is 'just a working title', this is THE WORST POSSIBLE way to announce the game to the fans.

Bravo, THAT is the achievement.

[kewlazme]

in 1337 speak terms.... shouldn't it be Thi3f .... 4=A and Thiaf doesn't really work.

However, it still seems to get the point across

Maybe take it further:
7h14F

[StalinsGhost]

You know, guys, that's absolutely insane.

This is the WORST way to announce the game you could possibly come with.

Just think about the situation. We've got a new team with no completed games in its portfolio, and the only thing we know about this team is that they are making Deus Ex 3 full of controvercial design decisions (regenerating health, yeah). Until today we also knew that this team was most probably working on Thief 4, a game with a very strong hardcore fanbase that is EXTREMELY conservative. The PR persons in Eidos Montreal repeatedly told us that they've learned their lessons and surely know what the fans of the games want.

And today they announce the game.

They give us nothing - no artworks, no teasers, no details, absolutely no information about the game. Nothing whatsoever. Besides the logo. Yeah, they just reveal the logo. On logo, it is Thi4f.

Just think about it: a new, ambitional team willing to succeed on making a long-awaited sequel to a classical game KNOWS that there is conservative fan-base dreaming about Thief 4 to be a game made as close to the original games as possible, and they GIVE THEM THIEF 4 WITH THE L33T LOGO. This is absolutely ridiculous.

It's not an easy think to make the fans of the game angry just with the logo. The geniuses in Eidos Montreal, however, completed this difficult task. We've got just the logo, but we are ALREADY angry, making conclusions about the game's target audience and wondering how much more stupid could these guys be and which 'fantastic' design decisions they are going to make.

Even if it is 'just a working title', this is THE WORST POSSIBLE way to announce the game to the fans.

Bravo, THAT is the achievement.

Saying we're all "angry" is probably an overstatement. Granted, I don't want it to be quite so ridiculous a title, and I've expressed those sentiments repeatedly, but to be honest, I'm nothing but overjoyed the franchise is being revisited. Especially since Rene has already said the title is a working one, and in the infrastructure it's known as Thief 4. I think it's safe to say Thi4f will be dropp4d.

[NewHorizon]

As for Thi4f, I wouldn't exactly call it a working title, would you. ;)

[sfury]

I'm happy as every fan about the announcement, but "Thi4f"? :D

As for Thi4f, I wouldn't exactly call it a working title, would you. ;)

touche, sir ;)

Come on guys, I just regged here only to post in this thread - that's a horrible title/logo. I know it's not the official name but please remove it from the page because it stabs me in the heart every time I see it.


Now with that out of the way - I wish you luck and I hope you develop a deserving sequel to the series. :)

[Thievingtaffer]

THI4F was a joke, get over it.

[nicked]

So option a) Eidos Montreal has some great ideas for Thief 4 and are beavering away at making a great game to please the fans, while Eidos PR department study demographic charts while sipping skinny lattes and put together "Thi4f" to inadvertently appeal to everyone except Thief fans. Eidos Montreal don't really care one way or the other about the marketing, they're just gonna make a damn good game.

Option b) Eidos realises that Thief fans don't make up a very large demographic in the grand scheme of things, but in these times of economic crisis they need to dredge up anything even remotely marketable from the company's history, polish it to be as close to Gears of War as possible (demographics again) and shovel it into the open mouths of anyone with more money than sense. Hence Thi4f is a jolly good way to appeal to the lowest common denominator sludge who masturbate over Master Chief.

I'd really like to believe in option 1 but I fear that would be naive. However I'll reserve final judgement for when we have more than a crappy logo to debate.

[Garrekko]

Multiplayer? how about Thieves...

[Princess_Frosty]

I'm not thrilled with it, hopefully just a working title.

[Blue Sky]

You know, guys, that's absolutely insane.

This is the WORST way to announce the game you could possibly come with.

I can think of a million worse ways to announce it, to be honest. Why get angry over a temporary logo? Is it really worth it?

It's Thief 4. It's great that it exists. It's great that they're honouring the fact that it's the fourth game in a franchise.

And it's not L33T, is it? It's just incorporating the 4 into the logo in the same way that Deadly Shadows incorporated a sideways III into the logo by changing the E. Hardly unprecedented. Just a bit of fun.

It's not an easy think to make the fans of the game angry just with the logo.

Heh...this comment reminds me that I've been through this all before when they brought beloved TV series Doctor Who back five years ago:

http://www.contactmusic.com/new/xmlfeed.nsf/mndwebpages/dr%20who%20staff%20inundated%20with%20death%20thre ats

It was all very much exaggerated but it was bizarre to see posted all across the world via Ananova and the like that the BBC staffers who had designed the new logo had "gone into hiding" (they just asked for their names to be taken off the website) due to receiving "death threats" (hate emails) from "hoardes of Doctor Who fans" (a couple of losers).

And now look, five years' on and the new revived series of Doctor Who is the biggest drama on the BBC with a huge output of related merchandise and its logo is instantly recognisable. Jolly good show all round.

So no, I don't think anyone should get worked up about the WIP logo. It's not the official design at all. Wait until the game is actually named to vent your frustration, I think!

[ZylonBane]

Just a bit of fun.
Over the entire course of human civilization, this phrase has never been used to defend anything that wasn't a product of pathological stupidity.

[maddermadcat]

It's quite silly to judge the game based on an early logo. Not that I like it much either, but come on, wait for them to provide something of actual substance before you start getting angry.

I'm actually quite disappointed that DX3 got a fancy pre-rendered trailer (with an irritating voice-over, unfortunately) at announcement, and Thief gets nada. I understand you're a bit low on employees, though. :)

[ZIGS]

To keep things short on my end, here's my reaction to the announcement in the form of a comic:

http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/8317/fuuuuu.png

[Dominus]

epic ZIGS! :D

[VIKTORIA]

Haha. :D

[Blue Sky]

Over the entire course of human civilization, this phrase has never been used to defend anything that wasn't a product of pathological stupidity.

Personally I think getting even mildly annoyed at a non-final logo is a product of pathological stupidity, but there you go!

(Though I do admit my phrase you quoted there was a really bad defence. Doesn't stop you from being a grumpy ol' wombat, though.)

[Stalin828]

I am a huge Chicago Bears fan. The day I heard about the Jay Cutler trade I was walking down the hallway talking to my friend on the phone and he told me ESPN just said the Bears landed Cutler. I got so excited I nearly dropped the phone, and I got weak in the knees and had to sit down. After regaining my composure I walked to my computer and checked out the Chicago Bears website. They confirmed what my friend told me and my heart fluttered. The rest of the week I was giddy. My job performance was top notch. Food tasted better. I felt like someone who thought they were going to die of cancer and was just told that the cancer had gone into remission and they would make a full recovery.

Today I was walking around my living room and the same friend called. He told me to prepare myself for awesome news. Then he laid it on me. THIEF 4. I was so excited; I felt dizzy. I stumbled to my computer to make sure this wasn't some cruel joke. I loaded up the Eidos webpage. Staring back at me was something that was meant to be glorious. This was going to be a day that I would remember for the rest of my life. I looked at the logo. T. My heart fluttered. H. My man parts rushed with blood as if Megan Fox had just walked into my room. I. The excitement had swelled to such tremendous size that it could no longer be contained; it coalesced into a beautiful unicorn that was begging me to brush its hair. 4.

Suddenly I lost my breath. The world began spinning. I experienced cognitive dissonance and nearly passed out. I pulled myself together thinking maybe I had gone dyslexic in that split second and had read it wrong. I opened my eyes for another glance.

THI4F.

Since that moment my life is in tatters. I have taken to drinking. My wife has left me. I have to smoke crack cocaine to get through the day. I stopped going to work. I now struggle just to get out of bed.

5/11/09 is a day that will always live in infamy. It is the day the dream died.

[TheJoker]

Many seem to be overreacting a bit here...It's just a logo. I couldn't care less about a games logo tbh :P
It's like you are out hunting for errors and mistakes with this announcement, give them a break. They've just announced that there will be a fourth game in our beloved serie, let's enjoy that now and help out in the best way we can to make sure that Thief 4 will be as good as the first two games.

Sure it would look better with IV,I agree but even so I don't think we should smash EM to the ground for making a logo, that is still a working-title logo as previous mentioned on the first page here.

As long as the game is good I can live with a logo like that. So we should just continue to contribute with our own words in what we'd like to see in the 4th game in all other threads available here.

Even so I do think that they are seriously thinking about sorting the logo out now after all the hate they've recieved :P Thief IV will look great imo :D

[ZylonBane]

Personally I think getting even mildly annoyed at a non-final logo is a product of pathological stupidity, but there you go!
No you don't.

[WhatsHisFace]

Get ready for THIAF!!!

The "4" looks like an "A".

[Blue Sky]

No you don't.

But I do :(

[NewHorizon]

Get ready for THIAF!!!

The "4" looks like an "A".

In Leet Speak, 4 is an A. lol

[okih]

OMWOW! how did you do that?!!^^

i just had to post after seeing the intro image. TIAF? REALLY? Is that like a taffer and a thief combined?

[lurker667]

Suggestions:

4HIEF
T4IEF
TH4EF
THIE4
THIVF

Any of those look right?

[van_HellSing]

No.

How about, I don't know, Thief 4?

[ZylonBane]

But I do :(
Then you're not very bright. The logo itself is irrelevant. The point of consternation is that this logo was dreamed up by the same people who will be developing the game. This is a window into what they consider to be good judgment.

[van_HellSing]

Hey, maybe the name was used internally to avoid leaks? Nobody would be so stupid to search for "Thi4f" rather than "Thief 4" or "Thief IV".

[maddermadcat]

This is a window into what they consider to be good judgment.

You'd have to want these people to have bad judgement to think so. Knowing you, that's not unlikely.

[ZIGS]

No.

How about, I don't know, Thief 4?

Humm, I dunno. I don't think consoletards would find that appealing. And we don't want to upset the consoletards now, do we?











Just pulling your leg Eidos :rasp:

[spyhopping]

Ah, EM is just trying to cover up a typo. E is fairly close in proximity to 4 on a keyboard.

[VIKTORIA]

Hey, maybe the name was used internally to avoid leaks? Nobody would be so stupid to search for "Thi4f" rather than "Thief 4" or "Thief IV".

Mmmm, perhaps the design is much more clever than we initially thought. ;) :D

[CurtX]

Let's hope it was just a placeholder logo used just for the sake of teasing. Surely a sensible person at Eidos will realize that all is needed is Thief IV: the ???? ???.

[VIKTORIA]

Sure, as Rene has already explaiined:

It's just a working title for now. As you can see, we are using www.thief4.com and the name of this forum is Thief 4 not THI4F. So don't worry!

[Macsen]

Don't worry game designers. Thief fans are so conservative they'll only be happy if you actually re-release Thief II. Anything else will be an abomination unto the Builder.

Just make the game you want to make, with whatever logo you see fit, a lot of people will enjoy it and the conservative Thief fanbase who'd just complain anyway can stick to making FMs for Thief Gold.

[ZylonBane]

You'd have to want these people to have bad judgement to think so. Knowing you, that's not unlikely.
No you're a towel.

[Subjective Effect]

I hope that this insane "backlash" against something so silly makes EM decide they can't be arsed with making it after all.

Seriously guys, don't do it. Look at the idiots you'll have to put up with.

[Dia1]

Seriously, Thief and l33t sp33k don't mix.

Stop being grumpy all over the net.

OhGod; here we go again.


:rasp:

[ZIGS]

I hope that this insane "backlash" against something so silly makes EM decide they can't be arsed with making it after all.

Seriously guys, don't do it. Look at the idiots you'll have to put up with.

As if they didn't know what they were getting themselves into :p

[Gillie]

People sounding of already! It is just so cool to me. Why can we not just wait.
I never played Thief until TDS was made, then went from the start.
To be honest in a way I was pleased I did. I did not then or now, pass judgement beforehand
I love them all for different reasons. T2 was a favourite but TDS had some great play levels too. Like the infamous cradle.
Give it a chance. :rolleyes:

[Unstoppable]

I think its to early to tell. Its a big change to put the 4 instead of the E. Lets see in a couple days, weeks, months what everyone thinks.

[Wamplet]

Seriously, Thief and l33t sp33k don't mix.

I liked it. Hopefully, it's Glyph-speak.

[Smiffydude]

If we don't let eidos montreal know what we think of the current logo now, it will end up on the box, and it'll piss everyone off. Better to just get it out of the way early on.

[CurtX]

Thief fanbase who'd just complain anyway
Explain to us why going from Thief to Thief II did not spark alot of complaints, but going from Thief II to Deadly Shadows did? Things happen for a reason. We're not delusional. If I have an old Porsche and want to buy a new one, I expect it to be Porsche like and not VW like. Get the idea?

[maddermadcat]

No you're a towel.

I laughed. Outrage over the logo is really quite petty though -- I sincerely hope you're trolling or just being sarcastic.

[Garrett21]

Dominus im really wishing you are part of this project concept drawing the logo great work..although im ok with the design on here now

[pha]

Explain to us why going from Thief to Thief II did not spark alot of complaints, but going from Thief II to Deadly Shadows did? Things happen for a reason. We're not delusional. If I have an old Porsche and want to buy a new one, I expect it to be Porsche like and not VW like. Get the idea?

QFT. People don't complain just because they want to sabotage games.

[fouytr_le_taffer]

I laughed. Outrage over the logo is really quite petty though -- I sincerely hope you're trolling or just being sarcastic.

Outrage over the logo may be petty, but let's be honest - so is using leetspeak in a lame attempt to target the lowest common denominator, market-wise.


Seriously, if anyone from Eidos marketing (or representing Eidos) is reading this: that logo is er, kind of insulting. And as a marketing ploy, it's a little 1994.


PS: In case you can't tell, a lot of people are rapt about Thief4 =)

[ZylonBane]

Sadly, this sort of l33t-speak gibberish is apparently all the rage amongst the marketing morons these days.

http://joshmock.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/mtn-dew.jpg http://i16.tinypic.com/4orx1mq.jpg
https://www.gaminggenerations.com/store/images/2fast_2furious_dvd.jpg
http://pclove.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/left4dead.jpg

http://bongeekbongenre.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/tron2.jpg

See also: SE7EN, ID4.

[maddermadcat]

using leetspeak in a lame attempt to target the lowest common denominator, market-wise.

I honestly think someone just thought it looks good and you're reading too much into this.

Is that really hard to believe? Leetspeak doesn't even make sense here.

[ZylonBane]

I honestly think someone just thought it looks good and you're reading too much into this.
But it doesn't look good. A "4" does not look anything like an "E".

No matter how you slice this, duncery abounds.

[GmanPro]

Oh wow MTN Dew?!?!?
http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo255/GmanPro/ea04f091.gif?t=1242088425

[maddermadcat]

No matter how you slice this, duncery abounds.

You've got a point. It isn't the brightest idea for a logo, but that doesn't mean Thief 4 will inevitably, likely, probably (or whatever) be a pile of crap. It really isn't that big of a deal -- all this reeks of preconceived opinions.

It doesn't matter that much! Just "hey guys, that looks kind of dumb" would've been enough. Getting so worked up over something so simple and inconsequential seems like greater duncery to me -- I HAVE SEEN NOTHING OF THE GAME BUT THE LOGO AND THE LOGO WAS KIND OF BAD THEREFORE THESE PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING AND THE GAME WILL BE HORRIBLE RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE.

I was hoping not to have to use cruise control, but what's done is done.

[hem dazon 90]

lucasarts has a good color scheme

[FrankCSIS]

Regardless of title, I'm just generally amazed by the PR department. It's been suspected for months now that Thief 4 was to be announced, and so it is, without balloons or fireworks. Was anyone actually still counting on the surprise effect?

Why is there even a board, really? You'd think the DX 3 board discussing to death the same 2-3 controversial topics, for lack of actual updates in months, would be a lesson not to announce anything before having any meat to throw at the dogs. I just hope no one is taken aback about the backlash on the working title. The title is, literally, the only thing to discuss so far. I'm a tad curious about the reasoning behind this strategy.

I'll hold judgment for now, and pretend this was just the prequel to a larger teasing phase that will escalate with E3.

Grumpy comments aside, I'm still very much excited about the game announcement itself. I'm now anxiously waiting for more news about two games, incredibly enough made by the same studio.You guys have a huge opportunity to live up to two epic franchises, use it well ;)

[ZylonBane]

http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5828/left4garrett.jpg

[Pipinowns]

I hadn't even thought of the possibility of them actually naming the game Thi4f. I'm pretty sure that they were just trying to make a clever poster...

[maddermadcat]

The title is, literally, the only thing to discuss so far.

That's a damn good point, but it doesn't justify judging the entire game based on a logo.

[Mr McGee]

Actually when I saw that I thought it was pretty cool. >.> <.<

[Smiffydude]

That's a damn good point, but it doesn't justify judging the entire game based on a logo.

I can understand why people are judging though, as so many sequels to great PC games have turned out to be a bit poo. Fallout3, Commandos Strike Force, even Thief Deadly Shadows. People are just afraid it will happen with this game.

I just noticed that of the games i just listed, the second game in each series is the best. IMO

[maddermadcat]

I just noticed that of the games i just listed, the second game in each series is the best.

So much for third time's the charm, eh?

[Martek]

I think it is funny - for now. Pokes a stick into the too-serious "what is a sense of humor" crowd. Let it stay up a bit. But of course, eventually it must be replaced with a "real logo... :)

[kin]

:D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4b.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4c.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4d.jpg
The "F" actually looks like "4" with litle effort, please change it

[Jables_Kage]

Seriously, Thief and l33t sp33k don't mix.

i think it looks kinda cool, shows that eidos are moving with the times

[GmanPro]

i think it looks kinda cool, shows that eidos are moving with the times

That's what I'm afraid of. Moving with the times

[kin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4e.jpg
I wonder why it couldn't be that way. Simple and clear hiding 4 and showing it the same way.

[Jables_Kage]

That's what I'm afraid of. Moving with the times

there is moving with the times as in having a different look to the title of the game and staying with the old style gameplay but adding a few new features that will enhance the thief experience.

[Bono]

The logo itself is irrelevant. The point of consternation is that this logo was dreamed up by the same people who will be developing the game. This is a window into what they consider to be good judgment.

Absolutely. Actually, Stéphane D'Astous has just confirmed ZylonBane's words:

Presently the only asset that we're able to release is the logo, which we're pretty proud of as it's very respectful of the franchise and you can recognise it very rapidly

http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/183/Thief-4-Developer-Interview

The most terrible thing is that they just don't get what's wrong. They just don't get it!

Don't worry game designers. Thief fans are so conservative they'll only be happy if you actually re-release Thief II. Anything else will be an abomination unto the Builder.

Just make the game you want to make, with whatever logo you see fit, a lot of people will enjoy it and the conservative Thief fanbase who'd just complain anyway can stick to making FMs for Thief Gold.

I don't see it as the appropriate irony, Macsen. Personally I'd better get no new Thief at all than get it as Thi4f.

[Jables_Kage]

Personally I'd better get no new Thief at all than get it as Thi4f.

if you would rather have no thief game than accept a new logo then you are no thief fan at all.

[Macsen]

Sadly, this sort of l33t-speak gibberish is apparently all the rage amongst the marketing morons these days.

See also: SE7EN, ID4.
These days? Se7ev and ID4 came out before the first thief.

[VIKTORIA]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4e.jpg
I wonder why it couldn't be that way. Simple and clear hiding 4 and showing it the same way.

That looks good. :thumb:

[Terr]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4e.jpg
I wonder why it couldn't be that way. Simple and clear hiding 4 and showing it the same way.

I like. It's much more subtle, and Thief is a game of subtlety ;)

By contrast, the current "THI4F" looks like someone's trying out their L33tsp33k.
Or NUMB3RS.
Or SE7EN.
Etc.

[Keir]

I googled and found a prefect example for a more subtle dark coloring in this website:

www.nanocake.com/forums

Thanks for the example. When I get some time I'll come up with an alternative.

Better yet, add a new theme but keep this one as well. I, for one, like it a lot.

Cool, good call. Will do :)

[Gabriel]

I think you can keep the black background and maybe ease into a lighter gray for the content area. It would be perfect if you could enrich the style of the forum with elements from the Thief games (perhaps create a Thief theme?), but I know that's going to take a lot of work. :)

[turian]

how bout this :lol:
http://www2.pic-upload.de/thumb/12.05.09/gpa7wu.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-2087964/Unbenannt.jpg.html)

[Thievingtaffer]

how bout this :lol:
http://www2.pic-upload.de/thumb/12.05.09/gpa7wu.jpg (http://www.pic-upload.de/view-2087964/Unbenannt.jpg.html)
LOL, clever. :lol:

[Vlad27145]

Absolutely. Actually, Stéphane D'Astous has just confirmed ZylonBane's words:



http://www.incgamers.com/Interviews/183/Thief-4-Developer-Interview

The most terrible thing is that they just don't get what's wrong. They just don't get it!


Ahi... That got me a bit worried. "Bringing the series to a new generation of fans"... "Can't confirm if the classic Thief mechanics will remain"...
Ok, I need to not lose hope... Please make this good.

[Gabriel]

Got to admit that interview made me a bit suspicious about what the devs are up to...Sounds to me like they want to change important game elements...I sure hope they don't change the ones that actually worked.

[Yandros]

Another thing, Keir, is that some of the smileys have rough edges on this dark background. I borrowed some smileys from here and TTLG for my personal forums a year or so ago, and fixed the ones with this problem (gave them distinct, dark edges) so that they work well on both light and dark backgrounds. I can send them to you if you like.

[Keir]

Another thing, Keir, is that some of the smileys have rough edges on this dark background. I borrowed some smileys from here and TTLG for my personal forums a year or so ago, and fixed the ones with this problem (gave them distinct, dark edges) so that they work well on both light and dark backgrounds. I can send them to you if you like.

I think you can keep the black background and maybe ease into a lighter gray for the content area. It would be perfect if you could enrich the style of the forum with elements from the Thief games (perhaps create a Thief theme?), but I know that's going to take a lot of work. :)

We recently updated the forum software which resulted in the return of the dreaded anti-aliased smilies and their white pixels of doom. Yandros, I have got another set of smilies which I like, but I'm aware people are fond of these old school multicoloured ones, if you have them with a hard edge please do mail them to me at keire@eidos.co.uk and I'll take a look at them.

I'll be able to change the smilies, buttons and forum colour once the web boffins have set-up FTP access to the forum server again so I can upload stuff :)

Thanks dudes.

[Necros]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4e.jpg
I wonder why it couldn't be that way. Simple and clear hiding 4 and showing it the same way.
:hmm: I don't like it, the Thi4f logo looks better than this...

[kin]

:hmm: I don't like it, the Thi4f logo looks better than this...

From what i read thi4f logo is going to change so I am just giving some ideas:D

[Yandros]

Will do tonight when I'll have local access to the files.

[NewHorizon]

Don't worry game designers. Thief fans are so conservative they'll only be happy if you actually re-release Thief II. Anything else will be an abomination unto the Builder.

That's hardly a fair assessment at all.

[NewHorizon]

If anyone would like to use it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3346/3526199584_995a3e8a08_o.jpg

[ZylonBane]

Don't worry game designers. Thief fans are so conservative they'll only be happy if you actually re-release Thief II. Anything else will be an abomination unto the Builder.
Yeah, just like what happened with Doom II, System Shock 2, Half-Life 2, GalCiv II, GTA IV... oh, wait.

Gee, it's almost as if fans are only unhappy if the devs fvck up what people liked about the games in the first place.

[hawk047]

A new Thief game.

People should be joyed. And OP comes up with a way to whine about it before having seen ANYTHING.

[BrokenArts]

Like the title says. You go to reply, it resorts back to original forum colors, and I get a blank page. Anyone else? I can't be the only one here. Or.......am I.

[BrokenArts]

Testing.........

[Direlord]

In one of the top threads there is a link to an issue thread. Myself replies are about 50:50 they'll go through or give me a URL not found error.

[NewHorizon]

I think it's important to put this all into context. A great many of us were left with a bad taste in our mouths from TDS. We should be joyed? Yes, we should...but when the first piece of artwok we get is a leet speak inspired Thief Logo...well, you know what it probably reminds a lot of people of?

This!

http://www.the-nextlevel.com/previews/pc/thief-deadly-shadows/thief-deadly-shadows-logo.jpg

Yup, the 'altered' E in Thief Deadly Shadows. If I were trying to assure that the game was in good hands, it would have been wise not to mess with something so simple as the logo. People have waited a long time, and with no LGS employees working on this title yet, I think Eidos M should have been a little more thoughtful about their first impressions..given the history of the franchise.

A new Thief game.

People should be joyed. And OP comes up with a way to whine about it before having seen ANYTHING.

[turian]

If anyone would like to use it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3346/3526199584_995a3e8a08_o.jpg

yes, that i like!

iDos take this please!

[Blue Sky]

If kin's getting a special easy-on-the-eyes backdrop, can I have a multicoloured strobing backdrop with animated pole dancing marshmallows please?

Ta very much.

[theBlackman]

.
Gee, it's almost as if fans are only unhappy if the devs fvck up what people liked about the games in the first place.


DOH! :lmao:

[NewHorizon]

yes, that i like!

iDos take this please!

I would be happy for them to use it. It's free for the taking. It belongs to them anyway, I just put it together. :)

[NeonNoodle]

It looks good in the title.
And that is what they're going for.

[abr4]

DOH! :lmao:

That was a very serious response for game developers to be told, don't ridicule it, it might come back to you.

I like this one:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4c.jpg

Way better then what EM made.

You get Thief on the first look, the subleties unfold when you take a second look.

[AntiMatter_16]

Does nobody see what is ALREADY there?

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/2206/thief4subtle.jpg

[GmanPro]

Ahah, good point sir. Why didn't I notice that before?

[theBlackman]

And that, my fellow taffers, is what makes THIEF such a great game. You must SEE what you look at.

I don't know about the rest of you, but many's the time I have looked right at what I needed and never saw it. Even when it was in plain sight and not disquised.

There is very little "Guessing" in THIEF. You need to SEE, think about what you SEE and then put the pieces together to do the dirty deed. :D

[kin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/t4ief.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/t4ief4.jpg

[theBlackman]

Help! I'm missing a leg. And the moving of the symbolic 4 is just as bad! But good for a laugh.

[Stalin828]

I thought the sting of THIAF would wear off after a day. It hasn't. Every site I go to has the announcement of THIAF and that logo all over it. Every site has a thread of people ripping on how crappy THIAF is. Every site has a quote from that interview with the guy saying he is proud of the logo and thinks it fits in with the themes of the previous games. Every site makes me want to go deeper into the bottle.

[GmanPro]

Over at EM they are probably getting a good laugh out of this epic logo discussion.

[josh1122]

this game wont be out this generation

http://kotaku.com/5251520/when-game-announcements-go-bad-thief-4

[GmanPro]

Well. That's not for certain really. But its likely I think.

We are probably only a year and a bit away from the next generation of consoles anyway, so no worries.

[Bono]

Over at EM they are probably getting a good laugh out of this epic logo discussion.

Or, if there are at least a few sane people at Eidos, someone at EM has already had his butt kicked.

[VIKTORIA]

I have received a PM regarding a registration problem and not receving a confirmation email.
Is anyone else having the same issues?

If so, we would advise that everyone checks their spam/junk box. Also, ensure that your email settings/rules do not instruct that all junk mail be immediately deleted. This is a common cause and explains the absence of any reply in either your inbox or junk folder.

If the above does not solve the problem, please let us know in this thread and we will look into this matter further.
Thank you.

[Subjective Effect]

Actually thiaf is Frisian for thief and if you don't know what Frisian is or where they speak it (without looking it up) then you don't qualify.

Who cares anyway? Give it a rest guys, it's boring now.

[VIKTORIA]

UPDATE:

If problems continue, please post here:
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=88645



Hi folks, apparently a couple of users are having problems with the forum software, but we can not pinpoint the source yet. Now we need your help. But please only post if you are currently (today) experiencing problems.

Here are a couple of things we need to know from you.

Please describe what you are trying to do and what exactly happens (or does not happen) Do you get an error message or just a blank page?

Please tell us what forum you tried it in and what forum skin you use.

Please (if you know how to do it) disable your virus scanner for one try and tell us wether that worked or not.

Again, please only post here if you are having problems TODAY and try to be as specific as possible.

Thank you.

[kin]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/THI4Flogo1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/crap.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/TESTE.jpg

[VIKTORIA]

I merged your separate posts together, you can always use the edit button if you wish to add more to a current post. :)

[kin]

Now that's better.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/finalcrap.jpg

[sterlino]

what about a title like that:

THIEVES

?? ._.

[Platinumoxicity]

what about a title like that:

THIEVES

?? ._.

No, no that would be Thief 5, you see:

THIEVES :D

[VIKTORIA]

No, no that would be Thief 5, you see:

THIEVES :D



^
Haha, very apt! :D

[Petike the Taffer]

THIEVES :D

Bloody brilliant ! :D :D :D

[sterlino]

No, no that would be Thief 5, you see:

THIEVES :D

HAHAHA damn right.. ! :D

[Herr_Garrett]

No, in fact the whole franshise's titles are screwed up, LGS really messed it up. You see, the title of Thief !V should be 'The Final Glyph', because that way everything falls into place:

Thief: The Video Game
Thief II: The Wrath of Gamall
Thief III: The Search for Artemus
Thief IV: The Final Glyph
Thief V: The Undiscovered Loot
Thief VI: The Little Girls from the Market (like, Generations)

And so forth...
This is how it works :rasp:
Live long, and prosper!

[Fiddlesticks]

I smell a Left 4 Dead reference....

[sfury]

If anyone would like to use it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3346/3526199584_995a3e8a08_o.jpg

+1

Please!


p.s. THI4F reads F4ITH if you move around the characters a bit, a friend of mine just noticed that

still, the logo - not a good place 4 your wodplays guys :rolleyes:

[Corvin25]

Just thought I'd say that I'm actually impressed with the amount of regulation/moderation that this forum is receiving. Threads get moved to their proper areas, posts that don't contribute anything are removed (some of mine included), and I assume outright offensive stuff is removed on sight.

This actually gives me some hope and confidence for Thief 4, as it means that official people ARE reading these forums. And if they actually take our complaints/suggestions seriously, we may very well have the game we're looking forward to, instead of another TDS. :)

So assuming that the ideas are passed along to the devs (even if they are rejected), and that none of our concerns are outright ignored, I've created this Thief 4 mod appreciation thread. :) Thanks for not slacking off!

[Nate]

Seconded!

[Hellion]

Usually board moderators have absolutely nothing to do with the actual Designers, so to assume that our suggestions are constantly being taken into account and analyzed based solely on the fact that the moderators are doing their job is quite the leap of faith...

Not that I'd want to discredit the moderators' work, of course.

[VIKTORIA]

Just thought I'd say that I'm actually impressed with the amount of regulation/moderation that this forum is receiving. Threads get moved to their proper areas, posts that don't contribute anything are removed (some of mine included), and I assume outright offensive stuff is removed on sight.

This actually gives me some hope and confidence for Thief 4, as it means that official people ARE reading these forums. And if they actually take our complaints/suggestions seriously, we may very well have the game we're looking forward to, instead of another TDS. :)

So assuming that the ideas are passed along to the devs (even if they are rejected), and that none of our concerns are outright ignored, I've created this Thief 4 mod appreciation thread. :) Thanks for not slacking off!

A very kind gesture, thank you. :flowers:

Although, I would like to set the record straight. The only threads/posts I would physically "remove" are those that are completely inappropriate (with regard to the rules) or are duplicated posts. All others are either merged or locked. With regard to your own thread, it must have fallen back some pages? With so much discussion going on at the moment, a thread's lifespan on first page is relatively short.
But I hope the 'Keeper Diary' thread has helped - as it is a fast, easy way to find a particular topic without having to use the search function. :cool:

To separate fact from fiction, I can confirm that I am not part of the development team. However, I know they do read this forum (of course!) and, again, hopefully 'Keeper Diary' will be a useful tool for them too.


Thanks again. :)

[WVI]

Ah, so they are reading. That's great to know.

[Myth]

The mods are doing a good job as i just noticed with my own post :) This is indeed encouraging.

[GmanPro]

Yes, we are all very grateful for the time you put in to these forums mods. Thank you very much!

[Thieffanman]

Seconded!

Thirded :). Mods, please keep it up. I keep posting here because it is well-regulated.

--Thieffanman

[WVI]

Hooray interweb police!

[van_HellSing]

You know, I'm using google alerts for Thief 4 and Thi4f. And guess what the news is usually like:

"Thief 4 announced, real name is Thi4f"

"*THI4F* confirmed… (urgh)"

"Thief 4 announced, gets annoying new name"

Yeah, really nice marketing there.

I blame St4phan4 D'Astous. I mean, he seems really proud of that stupid logo in the interview, and just look at his linkedin profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/stephanedastous

"4F" indeed, 4 feck's sake.

[kin]

After all this time I still can't used to it. It looks retarded.

[oji-sama]

No, no that would be Thief 5, you see:

THIEVES :D

You mean

THIAVES

don't you? :D

[Necros]

No, in fact the whole franshise's titles are screwed up, LGS really messed it up. You see, the title of Thief !V should be 'The Final Glyph', because that way everything falls into place:

Thief: The Video Game
Thief II: The Wrath of Gamall
Thief III: The Search for Artemus
Thief IV: The Final Glyph
Thief V: The Undiscovered Loot
Thief VI: The Little Girls from the Market (like, Generations)

And so forth...
This is how it works :rasp:
Live long, and prosper!
:lol: :thumb:
Peace and long life.

[VIKTORIA]

THI4F reads F4ITH if you move around the characters a bit, a friend of mine just noticed that


Observant! :eek: We have been slow... a tankard of ale for your friend! :cool: :thumb:

I wonder if there is a hidden meaning in that... :scratch:
Perhaps not... but, maybe... :)

[Myth]

Ok for those of you who have not majored in Design, as long as they use the same typeface, colors, placement, the graphic sign stays the same. the 4 is a neat addition and IMO makes the design more interesting. It still relays the information in the first 3 seconds which is the most important thing for a graphic sign. The flavor i like, and it's hardly leetspeak when in the game's logo.

[DoomyDoomyDoomDoom]

I may not have majored in 'Design' but Thi4f is stupid. The only information relayed to me in 3 seconds was "w.t.f."

[Myth]

I may not have majored in 'Design' but Thi4f is stupid. The only information relayed to me in 3 seconds was "w.t.f." i could say the same thing about your user name... From a design point of view it's a good decision, but design is subjective so i can't press my opinion on the others. Just to let you know though, someone drew dozens of variants on a sketchbook before making this in Photoshop and present it to his supervisor/head of design whatever. Concept art isn't created on a whim and this official logo hasn't been pulled out of someone's arse.

[kin]

The only information relayed to me in 3 seconds was "Thi4f?" WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?!!:(

Just to let you know though, someone drew dozens of variants on a sketchbook before making this in Photoshop and present it to his supervisor/head of design whatever.

This makes it even worse.

[DoomyDoomyDoomDoom]

Just to let you know though, someone drew dozens of variants on a sketchbook before making this in Photoshop and present it to his supervisor/head of design whatever. Concept art isn't created on a whim and this official logo hasn't been pulled out of someone's arse.

It's sad isn't it? It's like when I hear a really stupid jingle in a commercial. "Someone MADE that? Somebody got PAID to do that?"

[pha]

"4F" indeed, 4 feck's sake.

We have a winner.

[Master Taffer]

This whole "Thi4f, WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!?" thing is paltry in meaning and I hope this strange thing ends soon

[VIKTORIA]

^

"What's the matter? Are you afraid of the big bad guard?"

:D
Not wishing to bump this thread up the board again, ( :o ) ... but I just couldn't resist that quote! :D

[DoomyDoomyDoomDoom]

heh I thought the same thing. This board has been open for how long? and there are only 4 pages? Wow. I constantly see threads merged. You guys really are on the ball here. I usually see an official forum go to hell when a new game is coming out or just released. Thief is a more mature and non-mainstream game though so I guess we automatically get help from that.

[WVI]

^

"What's the matter? Are you afraid of the big bad guard?"

:D
Not wishing to bump this thread up the board again, ( :o ) ... but I just couldn't resist that quote! :D

Hey, live in NY long enough...>_>

[Mr. Perfect]

The comment have been kept clean, and the trolls weeded out, but do you guys actually like the merging? We're ending up with only a handful of mega-threads, each with about a dozen discussions all jammed up like some Tokyo traffic jam. The same thing is going on in the Deus Ex 3 forums, and after a year or so our "main threads" are reaching out into the thousands of posts. Each thread is a forum in itself!

[GmanPro]

We need to write it/pronounce it like Thiaf until someone at EM wakes up and fixes it.

[Espion]

No, in fact the whole franshise's titles are screwed up, LGS really messed it up. You see, the title of Thief !V should be 'The Final Glyph', because that way everything falls into place:

Thief: The Video Game
Thief II: The Wrath of Gamall
Thief III: The Search for Artemus
Thief IV: The Final Glyph
Thief V: The Undiscovered Loot
Thief VI: The Little Girls from the Market (like, Generations)

And so forth...
This is how it works :rasp:
Live long, and prosper!

I thought Thief IV was "The Sneak Home" and Thief V was the the Final Glyph, VI was the Undiscovered Loot, etc.

[VIKTORIA]

Hear what you say, but just imagine you are one of the devs...
What would be easier? Locating one thread regarding one topic and being able to read all discussion in there.... or, having a whole mish-mash of threads extending for pages and pages, all of which will end up discussing points that were not even relevant to the topic title?
I don't know about you, but I'd get bored of trying to 'find' what I am looking for if things were not organised properly. :p
This is also why I have created 'Keeper Diary' thread too. :)

[Espion]

The comment have been kept clean, and the trolls weeded out, but do you guys actually like the merging?

To be honest, yes. It's all kinds of confusing when there's five threads on the same subject all over the front page.

I'm also pleased that the Mods are actually fans of the games as well, instead of just shepards to keep our flock in line.

I do wonder though, are you actually Eidos employees? That would be a pretty cool job... Paid to talk about your favourite game all day :cool:

[VIKTORIA]

Moderators are usually volunteers... and, of course, they are real 'fans', as you say. :)

[kin]

This thiaf logo reminds me the thief 3 subtitle when i first heard it. Deadly shadows:lol: It was miserable. Come on someone must have a better idea.:)

[Helegad]

I don't mind. It doesn't look all that bad, but I admit that it really didn't have to be done.

[Psychomorph]

If anyone would like to use it.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3346/3526199584_995a3e8a08_o.jpg
The kids would misunderstand it and read "THIEFIV".


THIEVES :D
The fourth would be then like this? :D

THIEIVES

Guess it would be something like the "French Age"? ...kinda fits.

[Stath MIA]

Thi4f is pretty dang lame, better to keep it simple:
Thief IV

[Mr. Perfect]

Oh the Keeper diary is great, no question. A quick link to any topic you want without using search is a big time saver. Thanks for taking the time to catalog all that.:)

It's just that you can't find anything in the big mash-up threads once you get there. I suppose you could read them from beginning to end, but once they get past a couple pages that takes a really long time. For example, there are probably some great discussions in the Weapons/Equipment Discussion Thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=88479&page=7), but you'd have to read seven pages to pick out the ones about the blackjack from in between the discussions on arrows, swords, lock picks and what have you.:nut:

[hellwalker]

It's just too hilarious :D

It's like something Garrett had to do with :D like stealing all their E letters and devs had to go with Thi4f.

[Mikkowl]

I'm a grammar & spelling Nazi. However, I think it looks just exotic in this case, rather than 733t. All pagan looking.

[VIKTORIA]

Yes, I understand what you say and completely agree with you. However, the only other option is to allow all (or many more) threads to remain independent, but that would result in having tons of threads to plough through... and in my experience, discussion in these separate threads pretty much end up saying the same thing in another thread of similar topic. It is difficult to keep a balance, what with limited front page room and active discussion going on 24/7.

Where certain posts stand out a bit more and warrant attention, I've allowed them to remain individual threads and have linked via the Keeper Diary. For example, the armoury/general weapons thread you mention works fine for general discussion, but there is also a standalone blackjack thread, and a sword thread etc., for more detailed discussion. Same goes for factions; we have a general discussion thread and then also separate threads that concentrate on just one faction, etc. etc.

So, believe me, I am trying my best to keep a good balance here. Obviously, the system is never going to be perfect for everyone but I believe it works for the majority. Hope so anyway... :)

[Corvin25]

Well PERSONALLY, I'd like for people to have their own idividual threads, but if moving them around is the best way for the devs to take in as much information from us as they can, then I don't have a problem with it. ;)

[René]

VIKTORIA and all the other Eidos moderators have been great. I'm not managing posts quite as much as maybe I could but I'm making sure the dev team is aware of certain threads and discussing fan expectations with them. Good times!

[Corvin25]

VIKTORIA and all the other Eidos moderators have been great. I'm not managing posts quite as much as maybe I could but I'm making sure the dev team is aware of certain threads and discussing fan expectations with them. Good times!

Any word on that Dark Engine that works only in DOS? ;) Because I'd love to play Thief on my 386.

[Abelo]

My feeling is they are perhaps doing too much moderation. I mean, it's good, but feels slightly intrusive when they move your post to a thread thas hasn't got too much to do with what you wrote or rename your thread title changing the topic intentions. Anyway, nice to see they aren't playing pool or something :P

[Myth]

people read the first and last letter of a word only. Thief, Theif, Tehif, Tihef, they are all equal for a brain that is accustomed to the language. I still think that Thi4f is not a bad design choice, but since a lot of the forum lurkers are big time internet nerds they can't accept the 4 as an "e" since they used it as an "a" so many times themselves.

[pha]

I still think that Thi4f is not a bad design choice, but since a lot of the forum lurkers are big time internet nerds they can't accept the 4 as an "e" since they used it as an "a" so many times themselves.

Tough ****. Do you really think Thief fans who dislike "Thi4f" are internet nerds who use leetspeak?

[Psychomorph]

I still think that Thi4f is not a bad design choice, but since a lot of the forum lurkers are big time internet nerds they can't accept the 4 as an "e" since they used it as an "a" so many times themselves.
Haha, good argument. Personally I didn't see it as a leet "A", but a four placed instead of the E, just like often a symbol, relevant to the game/movie replaces a similar shaped letter in the title, it's an artistic and creative concept.

However, I always thought the letters of the Thief title looked creepy and the "E" was the creepiest. I think the main aspect of any Thief title (the word "Thief") must remain untouched, other things can be added.

[Espion]

VIKTORIA and all the other Eidos moderators have been great. I'm not managing posts quite as much as maybe I could but I'm making sure the dev team is aware of certain threads and discussing fan expectations with them. Good times!

Thanks for doing so :)

I think many fans will still be apprehensious until solid information starts trickling out but knowing that you're actually listening to us is encouraging.

[kin]

I think the main aspect of any Thief title (the word "Thief") must remain untouched, other things can be added.
:thumb:
And yes Thi4f is a bad design choice.

[Direlord]

Don't think i've seen any non Eidos mods other than Viktoria. So this thread is a more of a kudos to Viktoria thread? Not that there is anything wrong with that. They have been doing a good job consider every post is speculation or what we want or don't want with the game.

The real test will be when some info is released for us fans to examine tear apart and judge in the most ruthless manner possible. Then we'll probably see the rampant start of the whine thread.

[GmanPro]

http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo255/GmanPro/DisappointEM.jpg?t=1242928416

[Master Taffer]

I think at this point there should just keep it "Thi4f" to punish all those who over reacted over something so minor and completely lost their taffing minds.

[GmanPro]

Oh yes. Don't change it now. Its too funny

[Master Taffer]

That and the "Thiaf" thing was old after ten minutes.

[GmanPro]

If by "old", you mean "win". Then yeah.

Maybe if EM thinks its getting old too, they'll fix it.

[Anakara]

"Thiaf"...heh...
It got old fast as many have said

[kin]

Funny thing is that when i showed the logo to someone that had no idea what thief is he said "what is this thhhhiiifortinef:lol:" th14f:lmao:

[VIKTORIA]

My feeling is they are perhaps doing too much moderation. I mean, it's good, but feels slightly intrusive when they move your post to a thread thas hasn't got too much to do with what you wrote or rename your thread title changing the topic intentions. Anyway, nice to see they aren't playing pool or something :P

Firstly, I sincerely apologise if you created a new thread and it was subsequently merged.
I do only merge threads that discuss the same general content, otherwise I wouldn't do so. Whilst one independent new thread/first post may indeed discuss a specific point (or a mixture of different things) essentially the topic is exactly the same - and in this case I do merge. As previously explained, it is important that the devs can easily find one thread regarding one topic. That way, they get to read all your input. Some threads that are very specific do remain independent... it just depends really. I always try my best to either perform a sensible merge or to just 'leave alone'.

As for renaming threads. Often discussion widens so much that the original title doesn't fit. The main topic of the title will always fit, I should mention, but the little bits OP's may have added initially are best removed because conversation has since moved on, so to speak. A good, relevant title means that everybody can understand what the content inside is about, without any needless confusion.

Again, I do apologise to anyone who finds the merging or title editing intrusive. This is not my intention. I just want to make sure that the devs can find what they need, and that all fans' comments are contained in that thread. I think this is very important for all of us... but perhaps some of you disagree? I appreciate feedback as it is important to me that you guys feel that I am performing my duties as fairly as I possibly can. I remain your humble servant. :)

[Psychomorph]

Th-fourteen-f... haha, that's new. Any more suggestions?

[Abelo]

Again, I do apologise to anyone who finds the merging or title editing intrusive. This is not my intention. I just want to make sure that the devs can find what they need, and that all fans' comments are contained in that thread. I think this is very important for all of us... but perhaps some of you disagree? I appreciate feedback as it is important to me that you guys feel that I am performing my duties as fairly as I possibly can.
You convinced me! No problem, you're doing fine :)

I remain your humble servant. :)
Yuck, servants. They always called the guards.

[VIKTORIA]

You convinced me! No problem, you're doing fine :)
Yuck, servants. They always called the guards.

Haha, time for you to brush up on your sneaksie skills and make sure I don't see or hear you! :p

[Fiddlesticks]

Communication between the community and forum admins/community represatives is very important, it shows they care about their fanbase.

The devs could also make it like Valve create a blog for the game and post achievment in the development there, this also builds anticipation and binds the fanbase.

[VIKTORIA]

Yes, I am sure a dev blog will be coming our way sometime in the future. :)

[Cyclops1101]

It's just a working title for now. As you can see, we are using www.thief4.com and the name of this forum is Thief 4 not THI4F. So don't worry!

I was just looking at the Eidos store and they have T-shirts with the THI4F logo on them?
I thought this title was just a working one (I hope) So why are there T-Shirts with this logo on them?

I really dont like the look or sound of THI4F, but then Im not entirely convinced that THIEF IV is the right call either. My preference would be something like ' THIEF - Burricks Darkness ' but without knowing the story that could be the wrong move also (for me - at least).

I do hope the title evolves with the development! But I guess the telling will be in the gameplay. I look forward to another Thief Tale. Please be kind to us EIDOS, afterall you guys rock!

[ToMegaTherion]

Maybe EM are just Old Frisian (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/thiaf)

[DoomyDoomyDoomDoom]

It is annoying when threads are too general in discussion and become many many pages long. The Weapons/Equipment Discussion Thread is a perfect example of this. I don't mind seeing separate threads for lethal items, non lethal items, and talk of how the player acquires them. Having them all mashed up is annoying after so many pages. So as long as you can prevent threads from becoming TOO general in discussion then I'm cool.

[WVI]

Weird how Blackman repeatedly violates rule 6 and no one bats an eyebrow. Not like it bugs me, but it's poor form for a mod.

Not flaming anybody here. Not trying to incite anything, either; I just figure it has to be said. I also think everyone's doing a very fine job regardless. There, so no one gets the wrong idea. <_<

[van_HellSing]

<-See avatar.

[VIKTORIA]

Weird how Blackman repeatedly violates rule 6 and no one bats an eyebrow. Not like it bugs me, but it's poor form for a mod.

Not flaming anybody here. Not trying to incite anything, either; I just figure it has to be said. I also think everyone's doing a very fine job regardless. There, so no one gets the wrong idea. <_<

Okay, you've said it now... though this is not your first public post on the matter, I believe. :(
It would be good if you can take this disagreement off the board and discuss any grievances directly with the person in question, via PM. It's always best to communicate privately because this is an issue between yourself and another person. It isn't really fair to make other people read comments that have nothing to do with them, or have to experience any kind of negative atmosphere etc. If you get what I mean.
So, yeah, PMs are the way to go. Hopefully, you two taffers can make amends. Thank you very much for your cooperation. :) :thumb:


It is annoying when threads are too general in discussion and become many many pages long. The Weapons/Equipment Discussion Thread is a perfect example of this. I don't mind seeing separate threads for lethal items, non lethal items, and talk of how the player acquires them. Having them all mashed up is annoying after so many pages. So as long as you can prevent threads from becoming TOO general in discussion then I'm cool.

Hi, thanks for your feedback. :)
As is the nature of discussion boards, there will always be a need for one general discussion thread for just about every topic we can think of. With the Armoury/Weapons thread, for example, I merge posts that discuss various types of weaponry and this is the best place for these posts to go and it offers quick reference for the devs. Without a general discussion thread, forums get full of individual threads that all eventually say the same thing in the end and it becomes confusing for everyone to decide which thread to read, to reply in and even to find the said thread after a short absence. Believe me, individual threads in this context do not work.

There is a solution/compromise to this situation and it is already utilised on this board. For example (and sticking with the same subject) individual threads discussing a particular weapon only, do indeed remain unmerged and I link them from 'Keeper Diary' thread too - again for the convenience of the devs and members here. At the moment we have separate Blackjack and Sword threads. There is nothing to stop anyone creating a discussion about 'Arrows', for example, and that would remain a standalone thread in its own right.

So, this system is the same for most topics - we have both general threads and individual threads. There are also separate Poll threads which are listed in 'Keeper Diary' too.

General discussion threads do indeed become many pages long, this is inevitable. But the important point is that everybody's opinions are all in one place. This is what the devs need if they wish to study our feedback - there is no way they are going to have the time to wade through lots of individual threads all discussing different weapons, and all ultimately saying the same thing. I think this is the same for most members here too.

I hope you can understand that we do need some kind of 'law and order' on this board, even if we are all taffers. :D

[WVI]

Okay, you've said it now... though this is not your first public post on the matter, I believe. :(
It would be good if you can take this disagreement off the board and discuss any grievances directly with the person in question, via PM. It's always best to communicate privately because this is an issue between yourself and another person. It isn't really fair to make other people read comments that have nothing to do with them, or have to experience any kind of negative atmosphere etc. If you get what I mean.
So, yeah, PMs are the way to go. Hopefully, you two taffers can make amends. Thank you very much for your cooperation. :) :thumb:

Thanks for not freaking about it. You're pretty cool about the whole thing, I like that.

Yeah, I probably should keep it to PMs, but I hadn't because I thought he probably wouldn't take the thoughts of one person seriously. That's my own issue, though. I must correct you on something - though I did mention his manners in one post, which isn't nearly as big a deal, it never occurred to me until now that it was in direct violation of one of the rules. I've expressed disappointment, but not on this one issue. But yeah, I'm probably getting too personal about it and I'll cut it out. Thanks for listening.

[VIKTORIA]

I understand. :)
But give the PM option a chance - I think keeping this sort of problem a strictly private matter does warrant respect from the other party, you may find he will take your thoughts seriously - definitely much more so than having to read comments on public display, i'm quite certain.
Like I said, I hope you taffers can settle this amicably. :cool:

[Psychomorph]

Haha, good one.

[DoomyDoomyDoomDoom]

I guess I understand the need for general threads, Viktoria.

It's not a big problem or anything. It's just hard to keep up with them. Better those threads than the forum itself though. I just hope you're not robbing us of good discussion by keeping it all general where it's hard to find ;) I appreciate that the blackjack thread is separate rather than adding another 8 pages to the general items discussion.

I wonder if you guys will end threads to try and manage them a bit. Like after so many pages or posts just close it and start a 'part 2'. This works really well at the Elder Scrolls Forums. I think over there the limit is 200 posts or 11 pages before a thread is locked. Things that were done being discussed don't get in the way and the discussion stays fresh.

[Psychomorph]

I love the forum theme, it fits perfectly. The buttons (edit, quote, etc) look just perfect with the glow, couldn't make it any better.

[DoomyDoomyDoomDoom]

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/9027/disappointem.jpg

They haven't seen the shirts yet.

[DoomyDoomyDoomDoom]

I like it too. I usually force my own colors in firefox though. I hate pages with white backgrounds. I usually have grey on black.

[Jables_Kage]

get the **** over the name change tards this thread is boring know

[kin]

It won't stop being funny if the logo stays as it is.

[VIKTORIA]

I guess I understand the need for general threads, Viktoria.

It's not a big problem or anything. It's just hard to keep up with them. Better those threads than the forum itself though. I just hope you're not robbing us of good discussion by keeping it all general where it's hard to find ;) I appreciate that the blackjack thread is separate rather than adding another 8 pages to the general items discussion.

I wonder if you guys will end threads to try and manage them a bit. Like after so many pages or posts just close it and start a 'part 2'. This works really well at the Elder Scrolls Forums. I think over there the limit is 200 posts or 11 pages before a thread is locked. Things that were done being discussed don't get in the way and the discussion stays fresh.


I understand exactly what you are trying to say. :)

The idea to lock threads and start afresh sounds a reasonable one, but I'm not so sure if it would be a popular decision to make. The problem is that other members might not think it is such a good idea in practice. For example, say I lock the Armoury/Weapons general thread and begin a new one... what would that actually achieve? We now have two (or three, four etc. as time goes on) separate general discussion threads about weapons - and, guess what, each of those wouldn't stand apart from the other. They would have exactly the same content, ie. everyone's opinions and thoughts. Also, the people that posted in the original thread (particularly those who gave very detailed, lengthy replies) might not be too happy that the thread has been locked because, once closed, threads drop off first page and are eventually buried under subsequent pages, never to see the light of day again. Nobody reads a locked discussion thread if they are unable to find it or post in it. So, I think it is better/fairer to keep original/important threads open, active and alive because if someone does wish to quickly scan through the entire thread and reply to a much earlier post, they still can. At least the choice is still there, whereas in a locked thread, it is not.

Having said all that, locking certain threads is possible, BUT at a later date, I would suggest. Once further information on T4 is released, many existing threads will no longer be relevant - including the current Armoury thread (should the devs reveal full details on the weaponry range for T4). Once we receive official news we can move on from what we know of earlier games, 'wishlists' and speculation, etc and discuss what is now factual for T4. So, yes, I do think locking certain threads at a later stage will be appropriate.

[VIKTORIA]

I was just looking at the Eidos store and they have T-shirts with the THI4F logo on them?
I thought this title was just a working one (I hope) So why are there T-Shirts with this logo on them?

Well, as another member here pointed out earlier, THIAF is an anagram of 'FAITH'. :)

This hidden word(?) may not have any significance whatsoever, or be intentional... but then again, it might. It's fun to speculate...

It could relate to Garrett's new direction in life. He became the one true keeper in the end of T: DS and this could mean that faith plays an important part in his future. But faith in what, we may ask. Perhaps to restore the keeper Order and return balance? The Keepers (themselves) were not actually destroyed - only the power of the Order was diminished. So, perhaps the plotline for T4 is that Garrett must decide if he has faith in this Order and what it is that ties himself to it, and how its restoration may be beneficial to the world. Any good plotline could be based on this word... 'faith' can mean different things to people.

Otherwise, it might just be a playful message to us fans to have faith in EM, and in them delivering an amazing game for us. :cool:
Either way, the fact that Rene has actually said that 'THIAF' is just a working title and not to worry needlessly, says to me that there really could be a hidden meaning. My imagination might be running away with me here..:o.... but if this is the explanation, then the use of THIAF is a very subtle one. If so, it's clever and intrigues me.

So, the t-shirts could be a batch of one-offs to make the most of this 'tease word'. Only t-shirts are available, there is no other merchandise with this name on it. They could be a desirable item for thiefy-fans once stocks sell out and the subsequent correct title is printed on future merchandise. ;)

Just sharing my thoughts on this... :D

[Hellion]

But let's not forget that the numerical value of "THI4F" using the ancient Greek method of numerology is 300+8+10+4+500=822!!!! Most certainly a mystical number that holds the key to the ENTIRE GAME UNIVERSE!!11ololo11

Someone over at EM is definitely laughing his heart out when reading about that kind of one-word speculation :P

It's a working title. THIEF. 4. The fourth THIEF. THI4F. Lame? Quite. But just a working title, nothing more, nothing less.

[kin]

But let's not forget that the numerical value of "THI4F" using the ancient Greek method of numerology is 300+8+10+4+500=822!!!! Most certainly a mystical number that holds the key to the ENTIRE GAME UNIVERSE!!11ololo11

Someone over at EM is definitely laughing his heart out when reading about that kind of one-word speculation :P

It's a working title. THIEF. 4. The fourth THIEF. THI4F. Lame? Quite. But just a working title, nothing more, nothing less.

Lol:lol: Epitelous kai enas ellinas:wave:

[VIKTORIA]

But let's not forget that the numerical value of "THI4F" using the ancient Greek method of numerology is 300+8+10+4+500=822!!!! Most certainly a mystical number that holds the key to the ENTIRE GAME UNIVERSE!!11ololo11

Someone over at EM is definitely laughing his heart out when reading about that kind of one-word speculation :P

It's a working title. THIEF. 4. The fourth THIEF. THI4F. Lame? Quite. But just a working title, nothing more, nothing less.

Yes indeed..., absolutely. :)
But if this is the case, I would question why not just use "THIE4" then? With the top tip of the 4 extending out (and to the right) to show a clear 'F' but at the same time still displaying a clear numerical '4'?
The fact that the current position and style of the # 4 can be interpreted more as a letter 'A' is a fair observation... albeit perhaps a stupid one. :o

I don't know, you are probably right... but it's fun to wonder about it, I can't help it - put it down to a bad habit of mine! :D

[kin]

I would question why not just use "THIE4" then? With the top tip of the 4 extending out (and to the right) to show a clear 'F' but at the same time still displaying a clear numerical '4'?
Because they didn't had that kind of idea maybe?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4e.jpg

[VIKTORIA]

Because they didn't had that kind of idea maybe?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/Selisios/various/thief4e.jpg



Yes, that is exactly what I mean, thank you. :)

You may be correct to think that they did not think of this one... but maybe they did (it isn't that hard to miss, is it?) and as it didn't fit in with the 'FAITH' idea, they used the current design.

Perhaps you are right and I'm just barking up the wrong tree (a suitable Viktoria phrase, right there! :D ), but I like to investigate every possibility. I can be very annoying in that way, I admit.
I'm so sorry.:o

[DarknessFalls]

i'm not a fan of the above logo. doesnt look right, doesnt work for me. nor did any of the other variations ive seen. not saying it should remain th4f, but no other proposals seem to look any better so far, imo. they look odd. i'd prefer thief 4 over thi4f long-term wise.

[Herr_Garrett]

I thought Thief IV was "The Sneak Home" and Thief V was the the Final Glyph, VI was the Undiscovered Loot, etc.

Yes, yes, sorry about that. I posted it right in another thread... I was a bit dizzy or drunk or whatever, I guess :D

[Thieffanman]

But if this is the case, I would question why not just use "THIE4" then? With the top tip of the 4 extending out (and to the right) to show a clear 'F' but at the same time still displaying a clear numerical '4'?

I'll admit, I've seen that design repeatedly on this thread, and I'm starting to like it. I think it has potential.

The fact that the current position and style of the # 4 can be interpreted more as a letter 'A' is a fair observation... albeit perhaps a stupid one. :o

Not that stupid. Unfortunately, l33tspeak hijacked the number 4 to symbolize the letter "A" long time before Thief IV went into production. As a result, looking at "Thi4f" translates to "Thiaf". The fans of the game are having enough trouble with it; imagine someone who's never seen the franchise before. :D

I've repeatedly seen the "Thief IV" and "Thief 4" logos on here as well; I hope Eidos eventually releases the game with either roman or arabic numerals instead of the working title . . .

Or ditch the numbers altogether and make it a completely worded title, again. Maybe "Thief: Shadow Prophecy" can follow "Thief: Deadly Shadows", or perhaps another title that doesn't require a "4" in it. :)

--Thieffanman

[sfury]

The kids would misunderstand it and read "THIEFIV".



The fourth would be then like this? :D

THIEIVES

Guess it would be something like the "French Age"? ...kinda fits.

Why not THIV ?

Kids will love it :whistle:

[VIKTORIA]

I'l
Not that stupid. Unfortunately, l33tspeak hijacked the number 4 to symbolize the letter "A" long time before Thief IV went into production. As a result, looking at "Thi4f" translates to "Thiaf". The fans of the game are having enough trouble with it; imagine someone who's never seen the franchise before. :D

You misunderstood me. :) When I said 'albeit a stupid one', I was talking about my opinion/thoughts about the word possibly being an anagram of 'faith'. ;)

[Subjective Effect]

I think they should actually change the name of the game to Thiaf now.

[Herr_Garrett]

I'm just hoping they won't make the Pagans speak in 733t-tongue now...

[DoomyDoomyDoomDoom]

"Sneaksie thief get pwnzored, lolz."

[Thieffanman]

You misunderstood me. :) When I said 'albeit a stupid one', I was talking about my opinion/thoughts about the word possibly being an anagram of 'faith'. ;)

*Re-reads* Ah! Got it. My bad.

My mistake; spank me and throw me into Pavelock for the night :D.

--Thieffanman

[Sierra Oscar]

I would love if we could use the Thief 4 theme forum wide, or at least when we go to our CP's. The sudden change from darkness to white hurts my eyes!;)

[VIKTORIA]

Poll Creation Update

If any members with high status are unable to see the poll option, or those with status 'new gamer' that require a poll created for them, please send a PM to @m ( http://forums.eidosgames.com/private.php?do=newpm&u=17) and help will be on its way. :)
Please make sure you link to thread that you want poll created and list the options you require.
If you are just reporting a problem, give as much detail as possible.

[Hypevosa]

It's strange, it says I'm a new player even though I've reached 100 posts (which seems to be when it changes for other people to "Gamer") and since that's involved in creating polls, it seems rather inhibiting. Any reason why mine wouldn't change? o.O

Actually FlashArt is a protagonist at 80 posts... which has me even more confused...

[Stalin828]

Thi4f is retarded. I wish someone else got the rights to make this game. It is going to blow if the best logo this team can come up with is Thi4f.

[WhatsHisFace]

Thi4f is retarded. I wish someone else got the rights to make this game. It is going to blow if the best logo this team can come up with is Thi4f.

I agree. As a title it just makes no sense. Was this the idea of 4idos, or Squar4?

--Thieffanman

PS: Eidos Montr4al.

--Thieffanman

[hellwalker]

speaking of the logo, did any of you notice absence of the second title? Dark Project, Metal Age, Deadly Shadows.

Just Thief 4 or Thi4f looks wrong to me, I want cool second title :D

[Bono]

4idos

Brilliant.

[ToMegaTherion]

If it doesn't get a lame subtitle, then I refuse to buy it, since it is not Thief without one.

[VIKTORIA]

You guys are still worried over this working title? :eek:
*chuckles* :D

[VIKTORIA]

It's strange, it says I'm a new player even though I've reached 100 posts (which seems to be when it changes for other people to "Gamer") and since that's involved in creating polls, it seems rather inhibiting. Any reason why mine wouldn't change? o.O

Actually FlashArt is a protagonist at 80 posts... which has me even more confused...


This must be an error with the software options, I'll report it.
Apologies for the inconvenience.

[Master Taffer]

You guys are still worried over this working title? :eek:
*chuckles* :D

Well, it's all they have of the game so far, Vik. They have to whine about something...

[Anakara]

Well, it's all they have of the game so far, Vik. They have to whine about something...


:D
Ah getting worked up over a working title....geez.

[Gabriel]

Hey admins, any way that we can upload animated avatars, please?
Thanks! :D

[wenny]

just no thi4f plsssssss!!!!!

[huzi73]

you guys must b4 r4ally v4ry bor4d.still whining about th4 4 b4ing turn4d into a four.G4t a lif4

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[VIKTORIA]

Hey admins, any way that we can upload animated avatars, please?
Thanks! :D

Nice idea but unfortunately animations are not permitted on any of the forums, sorry.

[Gabriel]

That's too bad.
Thanks anyway :)

[Nikoladze]

They pulled this off with Driv3r, but an Arabic numeral three resembles a mirrored E, 4 doesn't.

[Master Taffer]

They pulled this off with Driv3r, but an Arabic numeral three resembles a mirrored E, 4 doesn't.

It's temporary.

[agrash]

F4w, that's a r4li4f!
I was thinking the sam4 thing like th4 topic start4r and with th4 logo on top and all..

[ZylonBane]

Phew, th4t's 4 relief!
I w4s thinking the s4me thing like the topic st4rter and with the logo on top and 4ll..
Fixed.

[agrash]

Fixed.

Why did you change the a's instead of the e's?
They edited thief into thi4f

[Direlord]

Why did you change the a's instead of the e's?
They edited thief into thi4f

If you are going to use a number for a letter 4 would be A and not E.

[ZylonBane]

Poor agrash had no idea he was posting in the THIAF forum.

[agrash]

If you are going to use a number for a letter 4 would be A and not E.

Like i said, i'm not the one who first changed the E into 4

[VIKTORIA]

May I please check with everyone that the issue with creating polls is now sorted out?
I think it was initially a problem caused by user group status settings. This has since been rectified.

If you are still having problems, please report in this thread. Thank you. :)

[Knight]

Thief IV is better!!!

[BG_HHaunt]

I don't care what the sign is it's a little disapointing but it,s not that bad.And why does e say 4 stands for A like THI4F=THIAF isn't it E.Anyway I am not good at l33t.Seriously Rene said it's just a working title :)

[AbysmalGale]

Hi!

Sorry about this thread. It has nothing to do with Thiaf. I just want to know how to make a poll in this forum. I read the FAQ and there were some instructions there. Sounded fairly simple to me. This is what it said:

"To create a poll when you post a new thread, simply click the 'Yes, post a poll with this thread' checkbox at the bottom of the page, and set the number of possible responses you want to include." (found at http://forums.eidosgames.com/faq.php?faq=vb3_reading_posting#faq_vb3_polls)

Well, guess what? There is NO such checkbox at the bottom of the "new thread" page. :mad2: How on earth did you other taffers manage to create polls? Am I just totally blind? Could someone take a screenshot, put a big red circle around the checkbox and post it here so that I can find it.

Forum moderators: please don't delete this post before I get the answers I need. I know it might violate the forum rules, but since the FAQ is to no help, I need to do it this way. :flowers:

[Hypevosa]

you need to become a "Gamer" first, you're still a new player... would you like me to create a poll for you? If you send me the text to copy and paste in a PM I'll do it.

[Sierra Oscar]

I think you need 100+ posts?

[AbysmalGale]

you need to become a "Gamer" first, you're still a new player... would you like me to create a poll for you? If you send me the text to copy and paste in a PM I'll do it.

Ah! Thanks for the fast answer! Actually that thought first crossed my mind, but since the FAQ did not mention it, I assumed I'm just plain stupid since I couldn't find the checkbox. How many posts before I become a gamer?

And thank you for your kind suggestion. I don't want to post a poll right now. Just wanted to know how to do it when I eventually come up with a good question :) But when/if I do, I'll PM it to you. :thumb: (unless I become a "gamer" before that.)

Now this thread may be deleted :) But a suggestion to the moderators: Include this information in the FAQ for those who wonder.

[AbysmalGale]

I think you need 100+ posts?

Ah, ok! Thanks.

[Hypevosa]

I think it takes like 3 days for it to register that you've reached gamer status (at least that's what happened to me...) if you want, like I said, I can make it for you if you send me what to copy and paste.

[AbysmalGale]

I think it takes like 3 days for it to register that you've reached gamer status (at least that's what happened to me...) if you want, like I said, I can make it for you if you send me what to copy and paste.

Ok. I'll just wait 'til tomorrow then (or longer) :p Thanks, but I don't have any good poll idea right now. Too tired. But I might PM you tomorrow though. I'm thinking about a poll related to my "Forget about th kid in TDS"-thread. Need to come up with good alternatives though. Maybe you have some good ones?

Another question though. I looked through the posts and found a poll made by a guy called "1N54N3". He had only made 48 posts but was nevertheless a "gamer". How come? Is he a moderator or something, although his nick wasn't blue or anything?

[Hamadriyad]

I wonder that too.

[kabatta]

That is interesting.

[Inbred Pageboy]

I'm surprised you didn't get banned or something as spamming is against forum rules

:whistle:

:lmao::rasp:

[VIKTORIA]

Ok. I'll just wait 'til tomorrow then (or longer) :p Thanks, but I don't have any good poll idea right now. Too tired. But I might PM you tomorrow though. I'm thinking about a poll related to my "Forget about th kid in TDS"-thread. Need to come up with good alternatives though. Maybe you have some good ones?

Another question though. I looked through the posts and found a poll made by a guy called "1N54N3". He had only made 48 posts but was nevertheless a "gamer". How come? Is he a moderator or something, although his nick wasn't blue or anything?

When this forum first launched, there was an error in the status settings which caused this problem. It has since been corrected.
I've merged your thread into this one, where it belongs. :)

[Lord Jambrek]

Taffers.

Searching for some info about Thief 4 I had a thought in mind, the logo of the game, Thi4f.
I was wondering if the 4 is not actually a 4, it might be a sign or a symbol for something that will await us in the story. Do you really think that people in Eidos are dumb and can't see the huge difference between a 4 and an e?

[VIKTORIA]

Taffers.

Searching for some info about Thief 4 I had a thought in mind, the logo of the game, Thi4f.
I was wondering if the 4 is not actually a 4, it might be a sign or a symbol for something that will await us in the story. Do you really think that people in Eidos are dumb and can't see the huge difference between a 4 and an e?

This has been discussed extensively in this thread, so I've merged your new post into it.

Welcome to the forum. :)

[jtr7]

There are some fine taffers who find the forum colors harsh on the eyes, and so do not participate much. Could they be given the user option to have the regular Eidos colors back?

[VIKTORIA]

I'll ask for you and will reply in here when I get the answer. :)

[jtr7]

Thank you kindly!

[tarhiel]

Well, I like Thi4f logo, it is ismple, and it implements the 4 as next game in franchise. I think we (fans) doesn´t have to be all grumpy because of the logo, I´d be grumpy if they would messed up the game. But i hope EM will read threads in this forums, so they know what we would like and what we´d do not like to see in Thief 4.

[VIKTORIA]

Thank you kindly!

I checked and unfortunately there is no option to change the skin in this forum. Sorry.

[ToMegaTherion]

:( Blue on black is really painful :(

[jtr7]

Thanks Viktoria. I know there's no option right now, I was requesting one be made available, as when the Classic Thief Series forums were changed, but the original style was still available for those who weren't impressed with the changes. :)

[VIKTORIA]

I am so sorry for misunderstanding. :o

Okay, it is unlikely than the option to change skin would be made available - unless we had a lot of complaints about it and then it would be given consideration. If a small minority are not happy, then it would be just a matter of offering our sincere apologies for any inconvenience caused.

[jtr7]

Okay, no worries. Thanks again! :)

[DJ Riff]

1. Firefox 1.5 Ctrl+A pressed
http://i064.radikal.ru/0906/c9/7ec2f553302ft.jpg (http://i064.radikal.ru/0906/c9/7ec2f553302f.png)

2. Firefox 1.5 Options -> Content -> Colors -> Do not allow custom colors
http://i032.radikal.ru/0906/11/64e8ac7b4582t.jpg (http://i032.radikal.ru/0906/11/64e8ac7b4582.png)

3. IE 6 Ctrl+A pressed
http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0906/b4/22b4f969c45at.jpg (http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/0906/b4/22b4f969c45a.png)

4. IE 6 Tools -> Internet Options -> Accessibility -> Ignore colors specified on web pages
http://s59.radikal.ru/i164/0906/2e/ed140b7466edt.jpg (http://s59.radikal.ru/i164/0906/2e/ed140b7466ed.png)

[hellknightlizz]

Design discussion? I just hope they sort out the bow draw speed. Too anyone whose ever done archery to draw a bow that has that much poundage to kill someone requires a bit more that a second... That annoyed me a lot in thief DS and the dark mod. Just slow it down!!!

[jtr7]

Design discussion? I just hope they sort out the bow draw speed. Too anyone whose ever done archery to draw a bow that has that much poundage to kill someone requires a bit more that a second... That annoyed me a lot in thief DS and the dark mod. Just slow it down!!!

FORUM design discussion, not Thief 4 design discussion.;)

DJ Riff, does that have to be done every time? I knew there had to be an override. Now to draw the attention of those who've told me the colours are harsh to them.:flowers:

[DJ Riff]

DJ Riff, does that have to be done every time?
Ctrl+A is a temporary option of course, as it's a simple "Select All" command.

"Allow custom colors" option is permanent and affects all pages you see in that browser (In FF 1.5 you should refresh the page, but in higher versions the page view changes immediately). So if one has Firefox as default browser with Launchy plug-in (which gives "View Page in IE" command) and IE set to ignore custom colors, they can easily see this Forum the way they like it without affecting any other pages viewed in Firefox.

In Firefox, there's also [View -> Page Style -> No Style] option which affects only the page you see in that particular tab until you close it, but that option makes this forum rather difficult to navigate.

[jtr7]

Cool thanks!

[VIKTORIA]

Thanks, DJ. :)

[dequalinium]

I noticed some posts have been moved. Including my weather suggestion.
But where have they been moved too, there seems to be only one thief4 forum
going at the moment, but a number of posts have moved off somewhere..

can anyone tell me where ? or why ?

:)

Deq

[jtr7]

Click on a moved thread and see for yourself. :)

It's moved if there's already a thread about it, so the two are put together.

[Hypevosa]

The mods keep merging posts, because apparently if the devs want to search for input on a specific idea, they need to swim in all the others related to it before hand.

Really, I understand the want to keep down clutter, but not EVERYTHING needs to be under the same 10 threads. I posted a topic that I thought was important enough to be seen by itself, to draw attention. How much loot should there be average per level? and I got merged into a thread about goods and purchases >_>

I love you viktoria, I think we all like you. But really, the mergers need to be cut back a bit. It's better to have separate topics that people can find in the search engine, than to have to swim through a ton of information to finally find the stuff you were trying to look up. Let threads die a natural death, and if someone sees fit to resurrect them they'll come back to the front.

[K^2]

I thought it was bad over on the DX3 side of the board, but here, the merging is even worse. I keep coming back and seeing the same threads over and over, and I don't really feel like participating in these anymore. If this is something that Eidos has instructed the mods to do, they are off their rocker. No forum can function well in such conditions. The only thing they'll achieve is community migrating over to some 3rd party forum where Eidos has no control, and devs would have to go there and deal with local administration if they want info. A very bad idea all around.

[jtr7]

Keep your new thread titles very distinct, and keep the first post very distinct, and keep the thread on-topic, and it probably won't be considered more of the "same."

[VIKTORIA]

Keep your new thread titles very distinct, and keep the first post very distinct, and keep the thread on-topic, and it probably won't be considered more of the "same."

^
Yes, exactly.


Also, taffers, don't find me guilty by means of exaggeration. My merges are seldom, and only done when the conversation is virtually the same. This is normal procedure. The reason why you might see the same threads on first page is simply because people are posting in them and they are obviously popular. This has nothing to do with me merging posts into them. If you look on all the pages that have dropped back you will see lots of original threads, but people have obviously finished having their say. They also remain unmerged.

*cough* On that note, I'm merging this thread into Forum Feedback. :p
I apologise in advance if you don't agree but mods can never please everyone, no matter how much we wish we could.

[Hypevosa]

I've had my fill of irony for the week methinks.

[jtr7]

Heh heh heh. :D

[K^2]

Ok, that's it. I quit.

[jtr7]

Hey hey hey, we need balance here. Balance of opinion! Don't give up so easily, now. :p

[Herr_Garrett]

I think it might originate from some childhood trauma. Maybe the admins weren't allowed to move around the sandpit as much as they liked, or something...

[jtr7]

Rebuilt your sandcastles without permission?

[Njoker]

As long as Thief IV gives true Thief fans good game play, and good story, I wouldn't care if the title was Thi4f : Frilly Rainbow Adventure.

[VIKTORIA]

As long as Thief IV gives true Thief fans good game play, and good story, I wouldn't care if the title was Thi4f : Frilly Rainbow Adventure..

Haha, yes, a valid point. :D

[jtr7]

Oh, but we would care and go rabid whenever we typed TFRA along with TDP, TMA, TDS.

[VIKTORIA]

UPDATE - 05/08/09

How unfortunate to see that there have been some rude exchanges going on in some threads. :( This is not constructive discussion - it is only destructive and completely pointless.

It is perfectly okay to disagree with another person's opinion/suggestion/idea but it is NOT okay to respond rudely on a personal level. For example, you don't call another member an idiot - but you can say that their idea was idiotic etc. There is a distinct difference here, please understand it. Hopefully, we can return to good discussion once again, thank you.

[esme]

I frequent TTLG a lot and am a long standing member, under the same name as in here if anyone wants to look, I have played TDP, TMA and TDS and enjoyed them all, I prefer TDP and TMA to TDS because TDS lacked several things I had come to expect from Thief and it's universe, TDS was still an excellent game in it's own right but I felt it fell short of it's potential based on it's predecessors

based upon the reviews I read in magazines and on line from people whose opinions I have grown to trust I waited until TDS was in the bargain bin before purchase, I do not regret this decision and still stand by it, I will most likely read the reviews first before purchasing T4, the quality of these reviews will decide when and indeed if I purchase T4, I still purchased TDS, I still played it and I still enjoyed it

this is my personal viewpoint and I don't expect or demand that anyone else share it

I am not a zealot, if you prefer TDS I'm fine with that, I'm equally fine if you don't

but I am starting to take offence at the assertion that all TTLG members are rabid zealots who will savagely attack anyone who likes TDS in preference to TDP or TMA

I would like this to stop

similarly there are those among us who provide fuel for this viewpoint by savagely attacking those who do prefer TDS to TDP and TMA

I would like this to stop also

if someone says something that is factually incorrect then by all means correct them and point them at sources of information to demonstrate that they were wrong, don't get personal and don't get offensive

and if someone corrects you then accept it and move on

if someone does get personal or offensive then don't respond in kind, let the mods deal with it, that's part of what they're here for, report the post if you are really offended

everyone has an opinion and a right to express it, lets respect that please

[Shadow Blade]

Here Here :thumb:

[PJMaybe]

To me, a zealot would be someone who refuses to budge from their opinion and tries to out cry anyone who thinks differently. I don't know anyone on here who's been like that. Most of the arguments I've seen on here (for either side) have been backed up in some way or another in a reasonable way.

jtr7 is clearly an advocate of the original formula and core values but has never mentioned wanting a remake of the originals as you've mentioned so many times and has always presented a decent argument for his opinions (I'd like to think I have too) and has been open to new ideas that have been posted on here - some accepted and some not (after discussion). So I'm guessing its someone else that you're labelling?

[VIKTORIA]

Esme, I merged your new thread into here.


everyone has an opinion and a right to express it, lets respect that please

This is absolutely correct. If anyone feels that they are being personally attacked, please use the 'report' button and I will deal with it.

[esme]

Esme, I merged your new thread into here...

no worries, I put it out in the open in the faint hope that 'the few' might read it and take some notice, but that's a very faint hope, my apologies for giving you lots to do of late

[VIKTORIA]

No need to apologise, the intention of your post was completely understood and respected. Unfortunately, such a standalone thread sometimes only serves to emphasise and encourage further arguments. :(
I can only repeat (to everyone) that if disagreements do become too personal, please use the report button or PM me directly with the link to relevant thread and I will deal with it privately.

[Belboz]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSFDm3UYkeE

reguardless of what the software the team in the vid are making its really relevant to the current forum problems both here and at ttlg.com

As in dangerous trolls problems for the game.

[jtr7]

Sorry, Belboz. I know you have a real issue with this, and people have angered you greatly, but you should PM VIKTORIA about it, as she's asked.

[minus0ne]

There's a big difference between an open-source project where a community relies on one another to build software and a forum discussing videogames ;)

[jtr7]

I would also give the team more credit than this. I'm sure most of them know the difference between a troll and a person who is opinionated and lacking social skills.

[Zahr Dalsk]

Sounds like the people in that video tried using an itnernet forum, and now they're butthurt that it turned out to be... an internet forum.

Anyways, they're the sort of people who I love to show up on their forums and mess with them. Isn't it great when their pretentious little communities come crashing and burning into the garbage where they belong?

Also, thread reported for completely unrelated to Thief 4.

[VIKTORIA]

Sorry, Belboz. I know you have a real issue with this, and people have angered you greatly, but you should PM VIKTORIA about it, as she's asked.

Yes, please. :)

Thread merged.

[Lozza86-UK]

It makes it feel as if the game is coming out soon. But then I realise its probably another two years away :(

Hopefully we start seeing some concept art soon.

[kabatta]

It's fun anyway.

[Herr_Garrett]

Dum spiro, spero.

[kabatta]

"Come now breathe, ...?" My latin is awfull.

[Nephthys]

I think we might just work ourselves up too much in the anticipation for it.
By the time it comes out we'll all have gone too crazy :P

[Secondary]

im sure if i wasnt talking about Thief on this forum, id be hijacking threads on some other forum to talk about the same thngs.

[jtr7]

Yeah, just looking at the other threads for new games and games that will come out before Thief 4, and it's all the same kind of impatience and ridicule with the particular geeky flavor pertinent to whatever game it is.

[Davehall380]

im sure if i wasnt talking about Thief on this forum, id be hijacking threads on some other forum to talk about the same thngs.

Same

[Subjective Effect]

You could post at TTLG. At least there the ridiculous stuff gets stamped on pretty early.

How will this forum react when The Dark Mod comes out? Everyone must have a machine capable of running it at high settings by now as the underlying tech is old.

Any day now guys. It'll certainly by out by the end of the year if not within 2 months.

[Pieter888]

I'm on this forum to make a difference, like many others in here.

[Hypevosa]

well it's good of them to make the forums now so they get our input while our input can actually change things in the game... instead of 6 months before release when they can't do ****.

[VIKTORIA]

^^
Good thinking. ;) :thumb:

[jtr7]

They can see how we think about it, what we anticipate, and what we dread, before they pass the point of no return, where only frantic scrapping and replacing will be left to them.

[kin]

By the time it comes out we'll all have gone too crazy :P
The more time we wait the more demanding we get so an early forum is both good and bad.

[jtr7]

Just look at the other forums for other anticipated games and tell yourself not to get so worked up.

[VIKTORIA]

Good advice. I believe the Deus Ex crowd have been waiting patiently for almost 2 years.

[jtr7]

(sigh) Having entire posts disappear is really upsetting. I've wasted too much time looking for, and wondering where the heck my post about something went, and searching through my posting history I find it's vanished. If it's censorship, then there are still many things that have been swept away with the clean up. I can put up with edits to my posts (I know most wouldn't), but complete posts of benign information I cannot understand. I couldn't find two posts of mine today, about glyphs. (sigh)

:(

[esme]

(sigh) Having entire posts disappear is really upsetting. I've wasted too much time looking for, and wondering where the heck my post about something went, and searching through my posting history I find it's vanished. If it's censorship, then there are still many things that have been swept away with the clean up. I can put up with edits to my posts (I know most wouldn't), but complete posts of benign information I cannot understand. I couldn't find two posts of mine today, about glyphs. (sigh):(when my posts go missing I put it down to creeping senility and the "preview post" button being right next to the "submit reply" button ;) ... :zzZ: .... :) ... :zzZ:

plus if you were being censored, Viktoria or René would have told you

[VIKTORIA]

There is no censorship going on, so don't worry about that. :)

As for posts completely disappearing - no idea what is causing this. :scratch:
I can assure you that I only delete spam threads and the like... otherwise, I only merge (when required) and I leave a redirection link at all times.

As Esme suggested, perhaps the post/thread wasn't actually "published"? jtr7, do you mean you actually see this post(s) showing as active... and then when you returned later, the posts have since disappeared? :hmm:

[jtr7]

Yep! Responded to, persisting for days, then disappeared. Don't worry, I never suspected admin/mods.

[VIKTORIA]

That is really odd. :eek:
I don't know... maybe its some sort of bug in the system?

Can you tell me which thread your posts disappeared from... and how many posts have vanished altogether? I'll go chase this one up for you. :thumb:

[jtr7]

Apparently I cannot remember any key words I used (broad daylight, for instance), but the one post I was looking for has this pic in it:
http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i106/jtr7/GarrettsRecruitment.jpg

Don't consume too much time looking into this. :o

[esme]

ooo I've seen that somewhere

[VIKTORIA]

Thanks, jtr7. I'll follow this up for you. :thumb:

[kin]

It's just a working title for now. As you can see, we are using www.thief4.com and the name of this forum is Thief 4 not THI4F. So don't worry!

Does EM still believe that the logo needs change?

[glyph07]

I'm on this forum to make a difference, like many others in here.

...made on a specific target audience, the analysis of the threads and moods and answers expressed by the fun crowd of Thief in this forum will undoubtedly have its value and I'm sure EM will take the vast large of people orientations on major issues on board according to their technical and economical capabilities to respond to the requests.

:thumb:

[DarknessFalls]

I would like to see the THI4F logo at the top shrunk down considerably. It takes up half the vertical space up on my browser. When added to the forum thread info beneath the logo, I have to scroll down every time to review any post. I was okay with the big logo for a while, but it's been some time since the announcement of Thief IV and I just think it might be time for some vertical consolidation :) A smaller logo would help...

And with seven sticky threads at the top of the master list of threads, it's not the funnest to have to scroll past them every time to see the non-sticky threads. Maybe somehow, some way there's a better way. Maybe it's time for some sub-categories under "Thief 4 General Discussion" or something, where the stickies apply to whatever sub-category gets created. So each category would have one or two sticky threads instead of one category having seven sticky threads.

[VIKTORIA]

Does EM still believe that the logo needs change?
Yes, have thiaf... I mean, 'faith'. ;)

I would like to see the THI4F logo at the top shrunk down considerably. It takes up half the vertical space up on my browser. When added to the forum thread info beneath the logo, I have to scroll down every time to review any post. I was okay with the big logo for a while, but it's been some time since the announcement of Thief IV and I just think it might be time for some vertical consolidation :) A smaller logo would help...

And with seven sticky threads at the top of the master list of threads, it's not the funnest to have to scroll past them every time to see the non-sticky threads. Maybe somehow, some way there's a better way. Maybe it's time for some sub-categories under "Thief 4 General Discussion" or something, where the stickies apply to whatever sub-category gets created. So each category would have one or two sticky threads instead of one category having seven sticky threads.

The logo isn't permanent, so I doubt EM will bother to change it until they are ready to release the official banner layout, together with more details about the game.

I don't think there is a better way to organise this board, unfortunately. "Keeper Diary" keeps a record/direct link to the most popular discussion threads, to avoid making them all individual stickies. I don't think it is that difficult to scroll past the few existing stickies though... really.

[Platinumoxicity]

I hope there will be a bit more info in May 11th 2010, a year after announcement. Just a little bit. Even the fact that the name will be changed to Thief 4 or Thief IV would be enough. Just give us something. Preferably the bad news first, so we can start complaining. :D

[glyph07]

May 2010?! Only just little more news by that time? :eek:

I'm really gonna get crazy to wait for 1 year and get few further info!!!

Dunno, maybe u can realise some screen-shots u've been working on and then later discarded...just to give us a flavour of what u're doing...or maybe u can realise a happy interview to SR where he talks to us OUR GREAT SUPPORTERS USING THE SAME ACCENT OF GARRETT!!!

Jeez, that would be brilliant, don't u think? I can assure u that all the ladies fun of the game like me would really appreciate it! :D

[theBlackman]

I think we have over-reached the point at which suggestions, or wishes, for additions or likes and dislikes has had its run.

By now the players and EIDOS Montreal have said and heard, adapted, or discarded all.

I strongly suggest that new polls and "I want lists" be left unsaid.

Use the current threads more as a discussion base rather than hammering on the designers with all the, at this point, useless babbling.

There is now a thread for nearly every aspect of the old games, wants or dislikes -no no's if you prefer- read, comment and post in those. By now no-one can really come up with something that has not been said, argued about, or rejected out of hand.

At this point polls etc. that are being added are mere Ego-strokes for the poster.

[Platinumoxicity]

This just shows the dedication of hardcore fans on the series. Everyone wants to help make T4 the best it can be, and even almost a year after the opening of this forum the amount of activity is still pretty much the same. But if TDS wouldn't have disappointed so many players, this forum would just be "good luck" -threads because everyone would expect nothing less than great. TDS has made the fanbase think that they need to hold the devs by hand and guide them to achieve decent results.

All we can do is hope that's not true. Because we aren't told anything.

...Except now, thanks! :D

[jtr7]

I really wish I knew what the devs were looking for in these forums. They've had anticipation forums for all the games long before the Thief 4 forum, so what are they getting from it. I can't imagine they can stand sifting through all the coal-like tar for diamonds in the rough too much, but apparently they do. They could throw a tidbit out here and there, somewhere we can find it, to to sort of guide the discussion. Another 1-and-a-half-years of this means something to them?

[Vae]

Yeah, it's time that the devs step in and give us some new info to discuss...even better, give us specific concepts that can be polled and discussed by us interactively as a testing ground whilst the game is being created. This way EM would receive valuable feedback, from a cross section of the fanbase at no cost to them, thereby insuring a strong well received game....:)

[cGREGgo]

I agree...

Hey Blackman... how about getting your troops over there to release some concept art, teaser screenshots, something to amaze us and shut us up for awhile?

:)

[Hareton]

I doubt that they read the forums much, this place is just for fans to talk.

[cGREGgo]

I disagree (sound familiar? lol)...

Yeah, they read'em... we hear'em when they come in to interupt us when things get too heated around here.

:nut:

[Blue Sky]

Yeah, it's time that the devs step in and give us some new info to discuss...even better, give us specific concepts that can be polled and discussed by us interactively as a testing ground whilst the game is being created. This way EM would receive valuable feedback, from a cross section of the fanbase at no cost to them, thereby insuring a strong well received game....:)

But just because it's well received by fans doesn't mean it's necessarily a good game, though... I dunno, I think a lot of fans are very biased and jaded towards anything which is remotely different.

I mean, I know that Deadly Shadows had some whacking great flaws, but it was still a fantastic game. Not that there's many Thief fans who see it!

[theBlackman]

I agree...

Hey Blackman... how about getting your troops over there to release some concept art, teaser screenshots, something to amaze us and shut us up for awhile?

:)

I would be delighted, but I have nothing to do with EIDOS, the Montreal crew or any other aspect of the EIDOS functions.

I, as well as most of the Moderators (Rene and Victoria being exceptions) are volunteers that just police the many EIDOS forums (batman, thief, tomb raider etc.). We have nothing to do with the company operation or productions.

Sorry I can't help in that area.

I, as well as jtr7 are just fanatic players who hope we get a THIEF that is worthy of the name and doesn't pander to the simplicity and easy mindlessness of most of the current games.

It has been said, to the point of supreme redundancy, that the original games depended on the player, not on the BFG or other super enhancements.

To stand in the cave at the beginning of "The Lost City" and remove the fire elementals in the middle part of the mission with some well-aimmed waterarrows, is one of the joys that learning HOW TO, instead of "Follow the yellow brick road" that make THIEF such a joy to play.

"I did it". Not the magic weapon, super enhancement. Me. With my little bow and arrow.

But just because it's well received by fans doesn't mean it's necessarily a good game, though... I dunno, I think a lot of fans are very biased and jaded towards anything which is remotely different.

I mean, I know that Deadly Shadows had some whacking great flaws, but it was still a fantastic game. Not that there's many Thief fans who see it!


I agree with the first part of your statement, but disagree with the "remotely different". Remotely different IS NOT THIEF. It's an entirely new game. Improvements in functions and other areas is not a unwanted, less desireable, or bad thing. But the main thrust of THIEF, as conceived and released, is that the players, not the mechanics, are what make the game.

The entire point is to be a skulker, use your limited (purposely so) equipment to its best advantage, and THINK ABOUT WHAT THE HELL YOU THINK YOU INTEND TO DO BEFORE YOU ACT.

This means that the immature, kill everything player, does not enjoy the game because it requires effort, patience, and planning. Not planning what route will pick up the most health points, armor, or weapons, but planning that will avoid discovery, death and failure. Not something the current crop of game players are used to, or care to develop the skills that make it so.

Most want instant gratification and Diablo, or Doom, type maps, views and easy upgrades to simplify the play.

Not for me, thanks. TDS was not bad as a game. It had good points and some buggy places, but it was not THIEF.

[cGREGgo]

Kewl, nice post... :thumb:

Too bad you can't get no insider info though, that would be nice!

Thanks anyway!

:wave:

[jtr7]

Blue Sky:

:(


I don't think you have an inkling about how many people think TDS was a good game, just bad Thief. And by "bad" that does NOT mean or imply it's a total write-off. Please correct your information.

I don't want a good game. I want good and great Thief.

[Namdrol]

Blackman, I see what you mean by a lot of these threads chase their own tails and I often think polls are a waste of time.
But what else are we to discuss?
The liveliest threads tend to be those like multi player or console yea or nay ones.
And whilst many topics may have been done to death, that only applies if you have been here and read them. This forum has a constant influx of new blood who haven't seen these threads and want to put in their hapenny's worth.
And as I said, I'm at a loss to know what we are to discuss beyond the realm of navel gazing?
But we'll see how this all pans out, I'll be here whatever, waiting and hoping.

[theBlackman]

Blackman, I see what you mean by a lot of these threads chase their own tails and I often think polls are a waste of time.
But what else are we to discuss?
The liveliest threads tend to be those like multi player or console yea or nay ones.
And whilst many topics may have been done to death, that only applies if you have been here and read them. This forum has a constant influx of new blood who haven't seen these threads and want to put in their hapenny's worth.
And as I said, I'm at a loss to know what we are to discuss beyond the realm of navel gazing?
But we'll see how this all pans out, I'll be here whatever, waiting and hoping.

I really mean that the people at Montreal probably have a really good idea about how
"we" think and what we hope will result from thier efforts.

As you say, some lively discussions have occured. And there is no reason for them not to continue. All the threads are here, will be here, and have been here. I have little sympathy with "new blood" that won't take the time to examine a forum, review the existing threads, and find out what is really going on, BEFORE THEY SHOOT THIER MOUTH OFF.

These are the same gamers who are usually unhappy with the main idea and play of THIEF. Reviewing a forum such as this, like learning to play THIEF, is too hard, requires personal effort, and takes time out of the mindless life of "texting" and BSing on the ever present cellphone.

[Namdrol]

I know.
Search seems to be an alien concept, (and it can be a lot of fun trawling through the vaults)
One of my personal irritations is people asking for help with BASIC setup up issues for Thief on Vista etc without searching the FAQ's here and at TTLG.
Because if they play Thief in that manner, without searching and working, they're wasting their time.

[glyph07]

I really mean that the people at Montreal probably have a really good idea about how
"we" think and what we hope will result from thier efforts.

As you say, some lively discussions have occured. And there is no reason for them not to continue. All the threads are here, will be here, and have been here. I have little sympathy with "new blood" that won't take the time to examine a forum, review the existing threads, and find out what is really going on, BEFORE THEY SHOOT THIER MOUTH OFF.

These are the same gamers who are usually unhappy with the main idea and play of THIEF. Reviewing a forum such as this, like learning to play THIEF, is too hard, requires personal effort, and takes time out of the mindless life of "texting" and BSing on the ever present cellphone.

So...what can we discuss about? Obviously there are more experienced players possibly with a strong background or knowledge of programming and others who don't necessarily possess this know how. Is this a forum made for "specialists?!"...I hope not...and I'm not talking about myself who, for different reasons, is quite familiar with few things, but about other people who I believe, even if less knowledgeable of the gaming world, should have the same right to post what they think it's relevant. Besides they are players too.

I know that in the Forum u can find posts wrote by someone who wishes just to blindly criticise for the sake of the argument or to disrupt the flow of the discussion. However, it is, I presume, your job to limit their action in the forum. Am I wrong? :confused:

Quite frankly, this thread, just makes me insecure on the chances I've got to contribute to the Forum and being appreciated for that or even taken into a minimum of consideration.

I do love the Thief series, immensely.

Maybe we do need more clear guidance + input from whoever manages the Forum. :hmm:

[VIKTORIA]

I know that in the Forum u can find posts wrote by someone who wishes just to blindly criticise for the sake of the argument or to disrupt the flow of the discussion. However, it is, I presume, your job to limit their action in the forum. Am I wrong? :confused:
You are wrong. Moderators only ensure that Eidos rules are being respected and help to keep the board reasonably organised - and as fairly as possible. :)

Quite frankly, this thread, just makes me insecure on the chances I've got to contribute to the Forum and being appreciated for that or even taken into a minimum of consideration.
Don't feel insecure. Please continue to enjoy discussion.

Maybe we do need more clear guidance + input from whoever manages the Forum. :hmm:
The only guidance needed is contained in the general rules - everything else is most welcome. Obviously, new taffers should take the time to read through the topic list in "Keeper Diary" thread to avoid duplicated discussions. That's it. :)

[glyph07]

Cheers! :thumb:

[VIKTORIA]

No problems.
And I should just add that the rules include the very basic assumption that we all understand how important it is to respect other's opinions, whether we agree with them or not. It saddens me to see that some members are stooping low with pointless name-calling, which is very immature and unnecessary. Any such posts will get deleted when I see them - so if taffers wish their views to remain on the board, please post constructively. Thank you, all.

[theBlackman]

So...what can we discuss about? Obviously there are more experienced players possibly with a strong background or knowledge of programming and others who don't necessarily possess this know how. Is this a forum made for "specialists?!"...I hope not...and I'm not talking about myself who, for different reasons, is quite familiar with few things, but about other people who I believe, even if less knowledgeable of the gaming world, should have the same right to post what they think it's relevant. Besides they are players too.

I know that in the Forum u can find posts wrote by someone who wishes just to blindly criticise for the sake of the argument or to disrupt the flow of the discussion. However, it is, I presume, your job to limit their action in the forum. Am I wrong? :confused:

Quite frankly, this thread, just makes me insecure on the chances I've got to contribute to the Forum and being appreciated for that or even taken into a minimum of consideration.

I do love the Thief series, immensely.

Maybe we do need more clear guidance + input from whoever manages the Forum. :hmm:


Discuss whatever you wish. There are threads that cover everything you have possibly thought of.

The point is that by now new threads on new ideas are like the snake swallowing its tail. It has already been said, suggested, or outlined.

If you need to discuss or offer your opinion, the thread is probably already there. Jump in and say your piece, but be aware that by now the Montreal crew probably has heard it all, laid down the basics of where they want to go, and have taken or discarded the offerings they wish.

This late in the game, we are unlikely to influence anything further. But if you have an offering on equipment, there's a thread for that, if you have an offering for gameplay, there's a thread for that. You have an offering or comment for anything at all. There probably is a thread for that.

[tombraider1best]

ummm iv never played a thief game but ive heard their good, whats the point of these games. are tehy like tomb raider or assanins creed or somthing similar

[kabatta]

Um...No....Thief is Thief. I suggest you play them.

[cGREGgo]

ummm iv never played a thief game but ive heard their good, whats the point of these games. are tehy like tomb raider or assanins creed or somthing similar

Thief was the first stealth game, they invtented the stealth style gameplay.

[Namdrol]

If you need to discuss or offer your opinion, the thread is probably already there. Jump in and say your piece, but be aware that by now the Montreal crew probably has heard it all, laid down the basics of where they want to go, and have taken or discarded the offerings they wish.

This late in the game, we are unlikely to influence anything further. But if you have an offering on equipment, there's a thread for that, if you have an offering for gameplay, there's a thread for that. You have an offering or comment for anything at all. There probably is a thread for that.

I am sorry to bang on about this but I find this whole thing odd.
What is the difference between discussing an idea in an old or a new thread?
Especially if it's new forum members contributing.
I worry that discouraging people from starting new threads could have the effect of people being alienated, with the feeling that their ideas are not worth discussing and we could see this forum stagnate and die.
And yes, I said earlier that people don't search and this is true and yes people should do a little digging and do some research but, and this is a big but, to expect people to read 469 or 212 posts (these were the numbers in 2 threads resurrected today) to be able follow the ebb and flow and understand the arguments involved is unreasonable.
To be able to follow a thread/idea from the beginning and see it develop and change is a way to understand and learn about the concepts behind this game we love and a way to feel a part of this community.
And yes ..."no-one can really come up with something that has not been said, argued about"... but isn't that true of all conversations everywhere and anywhere?
But that doesn't stop us having them and nor should it.
Because occasionally out of that constant repetition comes something truly original but you need to leave people enough space to do this
And what is this forum for if not for all of us to discuss our hopes and wishes for Thief IV.
It can't just be about trying to influence the devs, (and anyway there's a long time left in development) in fact I would have thought that was a minor reason.
I hope it's to provide a forum (in its true meaning of an open public place) for us to discuss Thief and to learn and expand our knowledge of this series of games.
And if that means discussing the same themes ad nauseum, why not?

Namdrol

[glyph07]

Discuss whatever you wish. There are threads that cover everything you have possibly thought of.

The point is that by now new threads on new ideas are like the snake swallowing its tail. It has already been said, suggested, or outlined.

If you need to discuss or offer your opinion, the thread is probably already there. Jump in and say your piece, but be aware that by now the Montreal crew probably has heard it all, laid down the basics of where they want to go, and have taken or discarded the offerings they wish.

This late in the game, we are unlikely to influence anything further. But if you have an offering on equipment, there's a thread for that, if you have an offering for gameplay, there's a thread for that. You have an offering or comment for anything at all. There probably is a thread for that.

Yeah...whatever

[jtr7]

That's not right, glyph'.

[Vae]

Yeah Glyph, show some respect for theBlackman...you could learn a thing or two...;)

[glyph07]

Look, if anyone tries to track down all my posts since the issue started can without any doubt verify that I have always thanked, respected, agreed with:

1) Politness in the forum posts.
2) Respect for other people's opinions.
3) Respect for the Admin decision.

I NEVER contested anything! BUT...

This time I don't think that the "Enough is Enough" thread makes justice of the situations has been reached in the forum. 2 are the issues related to it:

a. On one side there is the VALUE of the posts.
b. On the other side the BEHAVIOR of who is writing.

Yes, the 2 are interrelated, however circumstances, reasons for happening and consequences of each are quite distinct and deserve to be tackled properly so to not leave anyone in the forum frustrated somehow.

I pointed out (maybe not clearly enough for which I do apologies) that it is the judgment over the value of the posts that worries me most because the basic idea of a forum like this one is that we all can indeed contribute according to each other capacity. If anyone starts arguing on that then it follows consequently that someone simply feels cut out, and I repeat, we all are potential buyers of the upcoming T4.

Viktoria's reply to my worries and doubts was perfectly reasonable and coherent. She pointed out that following basic rules, and as long as we feel we can add something valuable to the forum, we can all write our considerations, always in respect of others' ideas.

I thanked her for the explanation and moved on.

Then, successively, theBlackman added up:

"Jump in and say your piece, but be aware that by now the Montreal crew probably has heard it all, laid down the basics of where they want to go, and have taken or discarded the offerings they wish"

to which, and quite righteously Namdrol replied:

"I am sorry to bang on about this but I find this whole thing odd.
What is the difference between discussing an idea in an old or a new thread?
Especially if it's new forum members contributing.
I worry that discouraging people from starting new threads could have the effect of people being alienated, with the feeling that their ideas are not worth discussing and we could see this forum stagnate and die.
And yes, I said earlier that people don't search and this is true and yes people should do a little digging and do some research but, and this is a big but, to expect people to read 469 or 212 posts (these were the numbers in 2 threads resurrected today) to be able follow the ebb and flow and understand the arguments involved is unreasonable.
To be able to follow a thread/idea from the beginning and see it develop and change is a way to understand and learn about the concepts behind this game we love and a way to feel a part of this community.
And yes ..."no-one can really come up with something that has not been said, argued about"... but isn't that true of all conversations everywhere and anywhere?
But that doesn't stop us having them and nor should it.
Because occasionally out of that constant repetition comes something truly original but you need to leave people enough space to do this
And what is this forum for if not for all of us to discuss our hopes and wishes for Thief IV.
It can't just be about trying to influence the devs, (and anyway there's a long time left in development) in fact I would have thought that was a minor reason.
I hope it's to provide a forum (in its true meaning of an open public place) for us to discuss Thief and to learn and expand our knowledge of this series of games.
And if that means discussing the same themes ad nauseum, why not?".

So it seemed to me that theBlackman just didn't want to understand that putting into discussion the very reason for the forum to exist showed an absolute incapacity to admit that the "Enough is Enough" thread was, at least partially, wrongly set up. It should have been related to the fact, as Viktoria clarified, that people can post freely according to basic rules. Period, without re-emphasising that in any case, whatever one might say, it will be completely pointless.

Because I believe that theBlackman didn't show enough humility to review his position fundamentally insisting to state that yes we can post but it won't make any difference in terms of the game outcome, I realised that with him there is not point in discussing any further and therefore I posted my "whatever" = "ok, thanks again for not understanding that by saying this u make me feel that my participation to the forum is pointless".

That's it, I hope to have clarified my position in all honesty and openness and politeness.

God knows how much I like to feel that the communication works here, especially when we can rely only to few lines to comprehend our views as we don't know each other. I'm sorry, for the situation, but when I see that on the other side of the screen there is a wall of rigidity, I don't wish to spend more time in debating and I leave the field, with my misunderstood "whatever".

[Flashart]

I agree that most subjects have been covered. I do hope the dev's at least consider fan's wishes and dislikes, but what I hope for most is a coherent game. Even if it bears no resemblance to previous titles.

[cGREGgo]

:cheek:

Cant we all just get along...

:nut:

:wave:

[Platinumoxicity]

:cheek:

Cant we all just get along...

:nut:

:wave:

Nope. This is an internet discussion forum. :D It's all about agreement and disagreement, insulting and getting insulted, and harrassing of newcomers. Isn't it?

[cGREGgo]

What do you conisder a newcomer? Join date? Or number of posts?

[NewHorizon]

I think tbm was right, regardless of how many feathers he ruffled. In truth, the vast majority of the ideas are pretty far out of left field...and completely unrelated to what made the Thief series great.

[Namdrol]

Yes but (no but :rolleyes:) since tbm's post, this place has ground to a virtual halt.
And maybe some of us needed a little time out after the popcorn drama a few days back but I hope the pace picks up again.
And as I've said, I respect and understand tbms point, it's just...I don't know, we'll see.

(Anyway NewHorizon, I've got more than enough other stuff to keep me busy thanks to you and the guys fine work :thumb:)

[jtr7]

What do you conisder a newcomer? Join date? Or number of posts?

Neither. A demonstration of unfamiliarity with the forums, discussions, stickied threads, and regular members. Acting like one has just entered the room where people have been debating endlessly for many months. Acting naive about topics and points made. Basically, acting as if one is new to the forums.

[Pieter888]

I joined not too long ago and my post count isn't really high, but I have familiarised myself with the forum, I learned how the community thinks about thief and I threw in my own opinion.

In the meantime I learned about my fellow posters and grew a good bond with them, I don't feel like a newcomer here any more and I hope others think so too.

being a newcomer yes or no is (imo) about respect.
A troll can be active on a forum for years but no one would take him serious.

You give respect = you get respect:cool:

[ClashWho]

I have little sympathy with "new blood" that won't take the time to examine a forum, review the existing threads, and find out what is really going on, BEFORE THEY SHOOT THIER MOUTH OFF.

I think this is a rather deplorable attitude for a moderator. The idea that a newcomer, such as myself, ought to wade through pages and pages and pages of discussion before being adequately prepared to share any thoughts, is simply preposterous. This is a message board for Thief fans. I'm not here to research a freaking term paper. I just want to interact with my fellow Thief fans. I want to express what I love about the game and what I hope for Thief games in the future. I don't give a rip if it's all been said before. This is an absolutely ridiculous thread. It's about as unwelcoming for newcomers as saying, "Go away, the party is over." Well, this isn't a party. It's a message board. That you would seek to quell discussion, when discussion is the whole point of a message board, is beyond ridiculous. That you would equate a newcomer sharing their thoughts to "SHOOTING THIER (sic) MOUTH OFF" is frankly outrageous. Especially for a moderator.

These are the same gamers who are usually unhappy with the main idea and play of THIEF. Reviewing a forum such as this, like learning to play THIEF, is too hard, requires personal effort, and takes time out of the mindless life of "texting" and BSing on the ever present cellphone.

You're assuming an awful lot. You know what they say about assuming. I may take time learning how to play a game like Thief, and I may not. But I'm certainly not going to research a freaking message board so I'll feel like I'm prepared enough to properly contribute. Being a Thief fan is all the preparation I need, thanks. If everything I say is something you've read a thousand times before, then maybe you've been here too long. It's certainly not going to stop me from saying it.

[jtr7]

Ever heard the phrase "Lurk more"? You don't need to assume research and plodding through pages and pages is what's encouraged, but following threads and just reading thread titles--especially the stickies at top right away--until you get a feel for the culture. Scan down the topics of the first two pages. You don't have to read all the pages that are accumulated. Before starting a thread, scan a couple pages of topics, and type in some keywords with wildcards to see if it's been discussed just recently, otherwise word your post to reflect you may have missed something. If not, then the posts should be written accordingly, without assumption the topic is new, or that the post is original, just joining in the discussion. Dozens of threads have been merged in a short time already for starting a topic already being discussed elsewhere, often on the front page. Looking around the place is what people should do before jumping in the pool. It helps to show up to a battle of wits armed, too. Also, too too many newcomers assume that in five to ten years, the basic questions haven't yet been asked. "Hey guys! Didja know that you can...?" "...have you seen this?" "Why why why do the old taffers think that...?"

Don't assume such deplorable extremes or lump yourself into a category you don't fit in. Do you act like you can't spell or see beyond your own nose? No, right?

The thread-merging is weekly. The party isn't over but it's uncomfortable to have one person after another bringing cake, or an occasional side dish, while the people who've already been there even a little while are full, and with plenty of leftovers making the new food redundant and a waste. The issue is the stagnation, the retread of something everybody's already been discussing in a thread right over there, not naive enthusiasm. It won't be long before another thread is started about which game is one's favorite (without the intent to look for trends), or that TDS don't get enough respect, and the flame wars will burn again.



To take the silly food analogy further... Imagine being at the party, with one end of a brimming buffet set out right near the front door where every guest has to pass all the food to get in. And they call out, "Hey taffers! I got some food if anybody's hungry! I brought some desserts for all you sweet tooths! Try one. Whattya think?"

[theBlackman]

[...]I think this is a rather deplorable attitude for a moderator. The idea that a newcomer, such as myself, ought to wade through pages and pages and pages of discussion before being adequately prepared to share any thoughts, is simply preposterous. [...]

.

In this forum, and many others I am a individual poster just as you are. It is obvious that you are unfamiliar with the forums as a whole, which can be forgiven.

The label, "Moderator" is generic, and the Mods are specific to specific games and forums.

As a player and an interested party, my comment stands.

As jtr7 says, in the post above this, a simple scan of the threads and offerings can bring you up to date, unless even this is too much work.

As the saying goes, "If the shoe fits wear it." Else use the discretion your intelligence should give you, and ignore those comments that don't fit you or apply to your situation. That's life.

The comment regarding those who want instant gratification and simple gameplay also stands as a generic. If you are not one of these, ignore the comment and move on.

In this instance I am not upset about your views, nor do I feel that I injured you or anyone else. If you/they are such, then so be it.

[jtr7]

:thumb:


And please, people, educate, inform, and teach, rather than protecting ignorance, thinking you are protecting a person. You aren't doing the person a favor by defending their inexperience and lack of knowledge rather than empowering with knowledge and growing them up...a journey we are all on.

[VIKTORIA]

Attention Taffers!

Look out for an introduction thread to T4 Forum's "Order of the Scribe" writing challenge.

Full details to come shortly, but just to say it will involve voting for what you deem to be the best posts (per topic) on this forum, to date.
The winning posts will subsequently be added to the (locked) "Keeper Diary" ( http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=88498) thread - a great honour for those taffers who possess a special, magical way with wordsies! :cool:

If you were intending to create a new thread or reply to an existing one, let this be the inspiration you need to start inking those quills. ;)

[razorstealth]

I like the sound of that idear! I think one purpose is to "show forth an increase of love" to us fans since most everyone seems to think we are being muted or that our threads aren't important. Essentially they are trying to create a forum where well new written thoughts and new well presented ideas are rewarded. I hope this will minimize the "flamers" and the duplicate threads. Were it my choice and idea, I would give a Thiefy t-shirt for the best posts in the major topics.. I for one would like to win a thief shirt!

[VIKTORIA]

^ Yes, indeed. :cool: :thumb:


EDIT:
The introduction has been posted: http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?p=1215420#post1215420

[Nerathul]

Why is the name of the game THIAF ???:scratch:

In ''l33t Sp43k''

3 = E and 4 = A :mad2:

[Mr. K]

Sigh.

*Waits for René*

[DarknessFalls]

Maybe they weren't trying to do official ''l33t Sp43k''.

At any rate, this question and issue already ran it's course months ago. I personally don't think it's a big deal, but I assume it'll be changed to Thief IV for launch. Many folks thought it was an atrocity, so you're not alone. I feel Thief 3 the game was a much worse offense so would rather concern myself with how T4 will play than how the logo looks. People fear the logo snafu might be indicative of how EM won't treat the thief license with care and respect. Understandable to an extent, but not much, IMO

[VIKTORIA]

Why is the name of the game THIAF ???:scratch:

In ''l33t Sp43k''

3 = E and 4 = A :mad2:

There's a cryptic message in the name, just for fun. :p

[esme]

Thief Has It All, Fans

perhaps

[Pieter888]

The Hammer Is Awkwardly Fragile
Thieving Happiness Is About Finding
The Hopeful Ideas Are Failing...

[Namdrol]

There's a cryptic message in the name, just for fun. :p
Do you think it's there on purpose, or just something that's accidental?
Pretty cool though and it's what we need.

[Pieter888]

Do you think it's there on purpose, or just something that's accidental?
Pretty cool though and it's what we need.

They're Hiding It 4 Fans :cool:

[VIKTORIA]

Do you think it's there on purpose, or just something that's accidental?
Pretty cool though and it's what we need.

Oh, I have no idea - I was just thinking aloud.
As an anagram, thi4f = thiaf = "faith" ?

Haha, I like everyone's take on a possible cryptic message. :D
I may as well join in:

Taffers Heed Importance Abiding Faith ;)

[esme]

faith ..... george micheal is doing the vocals ? :eek:

Taffers Hold! I Am Freeeeeeeee

[Blue Sky]

Why is the name of the game THIAF ???:scratch:

In ''l33t Sp43k''

3 = E and 4 = A :mad2:

It isn't written in l33t.

Obviously.

[VIKTORIA]

Forum Update

The Order Of The Scribe writing challenge has undergone a change. The original format of asking taffers to search through threads was a bad idea. I accept the blame, of course. :o
:p

For a new introduction, please click HERE (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=98414)



EDIT
Just updated the introduction again with rules/faqs:


I have already composed a good post previously, can I copy it into this thread?
Yes, if you believe it is your 'best ever' then go ahead and add it in here.

Is there a limit to how many posts I can submit?
No, provided each post deals with a separate topic. So take your time and choose wisely.

Can I edit my post - ie. add or remove content?
Yes, you can do this at any time prior to it being submitted into the voting thread.

When does voting begin?
At any time after at least 20 entries have been received for each individual topic. A minimum of three days notice will be given before voting commences.

Is there a limit to length/number of words used?
No, none at all. But sometimes 'less is more' in terms of clarity and getting the main points across - something to consider if you wish to stand out from the competition and earn readers' votes.

[Herr_Garrett]

This is an opinion post, you understand.

I think most of us here have got really bored of waiting for any, even the tiniest piece of news. It's simply disappointing, the way EM doesn't tell us anything. Yes, I can see that top secrecy is all the rage now, like with Avatar and Star Trek XI, but seriously now, Thief IV isn't that much of a hype, is it? There aren't masses ready to pirate and download it on the first available occasion, because Thief IV, I assume, will not be for the masses, but rather for the discerning taffer. Of course, I do see the need to hook up new players, but it had better live up to our expectations.

Now, I guess EM knows this. I know they know this, otherwise they wouldn't have created this damn forum. So I assume they must have had some sort of very basic concept at least, when they announced that THI4F is under, er, construction.

So why can't they reveal the slightest mote of information? Huh? I can't comprehend this. All I see to be going on is that there are, say, 30 of us who usually post here, and the occasional newbie who says his piece of mind, which either gets appreciated or flamed. This is, to put it bluntly, godsdamn BORING. Why can't EM make our day and drop just one, ONE concept art? Or the name of the engine? What disadvantage would that effect? We would have some taffin' info to masticate on for MONTHS, to regurgitate it nicely in different ways and be content. I mean, dammit, all we do here is speculate about absolutely NOTHING. Is that good, I ask? Is that nice? All EM "benefits" from this prolonged waiting is that everybody shall lose interest (except, perhaps, that 30 of us, but I'm not sure even of that), and that should they chance to drop any hints, it will go mostly unnoticed. At least, so I think.

Furthermore, the fact that they still couldn't manage to come up with a proper logo isn't exactly good news (olds as it might be), either.

So, to sum up: WHY?! or, WHY NOT?!

[hulde gran]

Because they don't want to! So, please mister Garrett (yes, i'm talking to you), sit down and wait, like the rest of us. Maybe we can start another pointless boring discussion right here! But if you want more information, you can always be a good taffer and steal some information from them for all of us.

[Namdrol]

I agree Herr_G,
Although I don't dislike this place (yet).
Something, anything.
Although, when acridrose found and posted pretty damn major news yesterday, it got ignored and the only post that followed it except mine, ignored what was said and came out with the, if it's not the Dark Engine I don't want it spiel.

[Pieter888]

I stay true to this forum. but i'm not rea
lly seeing where this is going. some feedback to our discussions will be nice. i mean we give nothing else but feedback for them right?

[Yaphy]

Sure, I want some answers and some information. But how can you be upset when you dont get it when you want it? They do as the want and thats it. Just relax, we will get something in time. If you dont want to be on the forum now you can always check back later when you know there is some new information and you can discuss it at that time.

[VIKTORIA]

Herr_Garrett, we understand your pain. :flowers:

It is just too early to expect much in the way of solid information at the moment; things can still change, other things are not yet decided etc. Once they are, then EM will give us some details.

As another taffer suggested, if frustration is creeping in then it makes sense to take a little hiatus and return in a few months time to catch up on things.

[Namdrol]

I guess this is the place to post something that's been bugging me for a while.
What is it with the cookies on this site?
Why does it have such a hard time telling which threads I've read and which I haven't?
Sometimes all I have to do is just open up the main forum page, go away without reading anything and then when I come back all the folders are marked as read.
Or I'll read everything, it all gets ticked of as read, I'll then go away, then come back and everything is marked as unread.
And before anyone says anything, all my security settings are set in such a way that this shouldn't happen here, I'm no expert but I know what I'm doing with this.
And I regularly use CCleaner (with of course creating exceptions for this site).
There must be some cookie that I'm not allowing but it's the irregular and intermittent nature of it that baffles me.
It may be Addblocker or Targeted Ad Cookie Opt-Out (along with Scrapbook, the must have Firefox add ons) causing difficulties.
If anyone else is experiencing something similar, or has any ideas, let me know as it's irritating.

[VIKTORIA]

^
Interesting. I'll ask admin for you... watch this space.

[esme]

I guess this is the place to post something that's been bugging me for a while.
What is it with the cookies on this site?
Why does it have such a hard time telling which threads I've read and which I haven't?
Sometimes all I have to do is just open up the main forum page, go away without reading anything and then when I come back all the folders are marked as read.
Or I'll read everything, it all gets ticked of as read, I'll then go away, then come back and everything is marked as unread.
And before anyone says anything, all my security settings are set in such a way that this shouldn't happen here, I'm no expert but I know what I'm doing with this.
And I regularly use CCleaner (with of course creating exceptions for this site).
There must be some cookie that I'm not allowing but it's the irregular and intermittent nature of it that baffles me.
It may be Addblocker or Targeted Ad Cookie Opt-Out (along with Scrapbook, the must have Firefox add ons) causing difficulties.
If anyone else is experiencing something similar, or has any ideas, let me know as it's irritating.

I get that too, I don't think the visited forums are stored as cookies on your PC as I get this on another forum too and they store this information on the server rather than the PC, looks like they have a bug in it, maybe this forum uses the same software

[Namdrol]

Do you use Kaspersky esme?
Because it might be that.
Kaspersky really doesn't like my rig talking to things sometimes (which I'm all in favour of)
As an example I can't upload anything over a few megs without suspending anti-hacker.

[esme]

no kaspersky here

firefox 3, but I have a copy of IE6 for backward compatibility testing and that does it too
Avast Anti virus, but it also happens with Grisoft AVG
ZoneAlarm but it also happens with ZoneAlarm turned off
and Spybot but it also happens if I take Spybot off

the phenomenon seems to be related to the time, I've viewed the forum before 12am local time and had a dozen threads with new posts, 12:01 comes and suddenly no threads are marked as having unread posts, 12am is used as an example as it's been a while since I noticed this but I found it suspicious that it was bang on the hour ... whichever hour it was

[Herr_Garrett]

The witching hour. :)

[esme]

isn't that 12 pm to 1am ?

[Namdrol]

Viktoria have you had any joy yet with regards to finding out why the read/unread icons don't work as they should?

[esme]

it just happened again at 13:00 uk time

before then I had a ton of threads with new posts, 13:00 arrived and suddenly they all disappeared

I was posting at the time if that helps track it down

... well I was only an hour out with 12:00

[VIKTORIA]

Viktoria have you had any joy yet with regards to finding out why the read/unread icons don't work as they should?

I'm so sorry for the delay. I have asked... but I'm still waiting for an answer. I'll ask again, I know admin have been busy lately.
Back soon.

Update
So sorry for delay. Things are super-swamped at the moment and I still haven't received a reply.

[GoranAgar]

I guess this is the place to post something that's been bugging me for a while.
What is it with the cookies on this site?
Why does it have such a hard time telling which threads I've read and which I haven't?
Sometimes all I have to do is just open up the main forum page, go away without reading anything and then when I come back all the folders are marked as read.
Or I'll read everything, it all gets ticked of as read, I'll then go away, then come back and everything is marked as unread.
...
If anyone else is experiencing something similar, or has any ideas, let me know as it's irritating.
With the vBulletin forum software come 3 "Thread/Forum Read Marking Types". Let me quote the whole thing for you:

"This option controls how threads and forums are marked as read.

1. Inactivity/Cookie Based - once a user has been inactive for a certain amount of time (the value of the session timeout option) all threads and forums are considered read. Individual threads are marked as read within a session via cookies.

This option is how all versions of vBulletin before 3.5 functioned.

2. Database (no automatic forum marking) - this option uses the database to store thread and forum read times. This allows accurate read markers to be kept indefinitely. However, in order for a forum to be marked read when all threads are read, the user must view the list of threads for that forum.

This option is more space and processor intensive than inactivity-based marking.

3. Database (automatic forum marking) - this option is the same as a previous option, but forums are automatically marked as read when the last new thread is read.

This is the most usable option for end users, but most processor intensive."

Option #1 has been the setting for years now and even though I know about the other option I never felt the need to change it.

Before changing to one of the other option I'd have to ask the tech guru on what kind of hardware we run our forum, if we run on it alone and how busy the server is with the normal day to day forum business. It might take a bit to get the info, but I'll try. :)

[VIKTORIA]

^
Thank you for this info.

[esme]

I suspect there may be a bug in the inactivity timer then as it managed to decide I was inactive in the time it took me to type a post, and I'm still suspicious of it happening bang on the hour - 13:00 UK time the last time it happened

[Namdrol]

Same as esme.
I'm in and out all day, every day, I'll read everything it will all be marked as read, I'll come back and it will be unread agin.
Then later on in the day it'll be back to being read again.
I've just got a new rig though due to my other (almost new one) deciding to not work. (Long story)
So I'll see what happens with this,

(Thanks for popping in GoranAger )

[Namdrol]

Well my new computer has still got the same problem.
And I deliberately didn't export my ffox over (just my bookmarks and scrapbook folders: as an aside if you research online and you're not using the scrapbook addon yet, why not?)
So chances are it's at your end.
I'm surprised though that more people aren't reporting this problem as it's very irritating

[esme]

what time is it where the server is when it's 13:00 in the UK ?

[VIKTORIA]

Forum Threads Update

May I check with my taffers and tafferettes whether or not it is time for a little 'spring clean' regarding discussion threads?

I propose that fresh threads for popular/main discussions be created as many are very long now and some have a lot of off-topic content which the dev team would find cumbersome to have to read through.

Please take the time to consider this proposal and post in here which threads you think need a fresh start. Older threads will, of course, still be linked in the Keeper Diary thread for reference purposes.

Thank you. :)

[Loup]

It's great idea. Though summing up arguments from a thread and either having a short list for reference in the first post or a link to a such summary would be awesome. Lot's of work though. I would gladly help out when I'm done with my current assignment which should be next Friday.

Requires some objectivity for the right representation though, but I'll be good, promise ^^

[jtr7]

Yeah, although, I really would like to know what we've said that EM isn't already aware of. Most of what's ever said on-topic is a rehash of things said over a year ago or more, and mostly for our own benefit.

Loup, something we did before that can still be done today, which René said we are welcome to do, is to go through the threads and compile the gist of what our hopes and dreams are into a document and send it to René.

I only know of this one: http://www.mediafire.com/?qjzglkdmyz5

I remind everyone that this is something anybody could've done all along, including those who feel they aren't getting fairly heard.

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?p=1173240&highlight=compile*#post1173240

[VIKTORIA]

^
Above feedback/ideas sound good and, yes, anyone can PM Rene with their thoughts if they prefer.

As for new threads on this forum, I'll leave it open for anyone to create a brand new discussion regarding any of the main topics as we see them listed in Keeper Diary thread.

The only criteria is that the new thread does contain a very concise, detailed introduction which puts forward good arguments for (or against) the topic in question. Make it fair and interesting so that it invites others to participate and it will become the new main discussion thread and I will link to it from "Keeper Diary".

Please do not post a new thread on a topic that has already been chosen. If you do so, I will have to merge it. Let's keep this on a first-come, first-served basis.

Thank you and good luck! :flowers: