what should the storyline be for a new soul reaver

[seether the dragon]

i ask u what should the storyline be like what should happen next i guess for something like i dunno umm kain wants raziel back and tries to stop this from happening and goes back through time and all and all ends up having to kll himself the old self to stop this from happening helps raziel to kill the giant eye (rest in peace tony) elder god then kill the real enemy the hybid or something its been a while since i played something like that the first lok 2 player

[Yautjatraker/Albatraous]

Dude, take a breath between sentences. :D

Or better yet, do a search for other threads on this same topic.

[Raina Audron]

I agree what has been said above.

It is impossible for Kain to change anything unless he goes to the future. He can´t mess with the past because time in Nosgoth is immutable.

[Raziel'sRevenge]

I must agree, you've gotta take a breathe from time to time lol

anyways I'm fairly sure that Kain can't go into the past and kill his formal self without causing a paradox that would expel him entirely, which would mean he wouldn't be around to kill the Elder God like you were leading up to.

[brucewillis2]

I still think they should focus on the distance past... the story between the hylden and the vampires and the birth of vorador.

The story of Raziel is complete. Since Kain survived (and raziel in the form of the sword) their story can continue but I'm not sure it should.

[Balance Reaver]

I still think they should focus on the distance past... the story between the hylden and the vampires and the birth of vorador.

The story of Raziel is complete. Since Kain survived (and raziel in the form of the sword) their story can continue but I'm not sure it should.
Yes, the story of Raziel is complete but Kain's not. I think they need finish Kain's stiry first before doing any prequel.

[demonic porcelin]

I think they should make a game with both Raziel and Kane. Kane this time has an army of vampires fighting the hylden horde (kinda like Janos did in the past), but instead of Kane as the aggressor he is fighting for Nosgoth's life. Then after a fierce battle, Kain is sitting in a shelter thinking and bam!, Raziel speeks to him through telekenisis. Tells him that history will only repeat, and that the reaver isn't a cell its a new world set up by the old vampire lords that first fought the hylden,with many secrets that may help both of them. This will tie in Raziel. Oh and by the way I'm one of the hundreds that want a new LoK game.

[c4spinn]

Has anyone heard of the untold destiny of Raziel? Moments after Kain slays the EG..Kain is struck with a vision given to him by Ariel...It tells of a coming storm. Wolves who have taken the form of man are descending upon him and Nosgoth at that very moment. She inform him their tooth and claw are infected and capable of turning humans into one of them, also that Kain is powerless to stop them since one bite, one scratch would corrupt his blood turning it black and thick as tar. The future of Nosgoth lye in peril lest they can free Raziel from the Soul Reaver. Kain asks how can they accomplish such a task? She tell him that it requires a sacrifice, that she shall enter the blade and push Raziel's sprit from the blade, thus becoming trapped in the wraith blade. Kain insists that it can not be done. Ariel informs him that when the blade was forged it held many secrets, true it was intended for Raziel to dwell inside, but the blade is also a tool for the sign of balance..you Kain, my balance would be forgiveness, and imprisoning myself inside the blade of the very man who took my life would be the ultimate act of forgiveness...Raziel's destiny was to dwell inside the blade it did not say forever....He's dwelt inside of it, he's fulfilled his destiny now it's time to write a new destiny......because my destiny is to forever dwell inside of the Soul Reaver. It's why I've never rested. Never crossed over. Wandered Nosgoth endlessly with the reaver ever present in the recesses of my mind......................................thus begins an epic new tale

[Linikratyo]

Has anyone heard of the untold destiny of Raziel? Moments after Kain slays the EG..Kane is struck with a vision given to him by Ariel...It tells of a coming storm. Wolves who have taken the form of man are descending upon him and Nosgoth at that very moment. She inform him their tooth and claw are infected and capable of turning humans into one of them, also that Kane is powerless to stop them since one bite, one scratch would corrupt his blood turning it black and thick as tar. The future of Nosgoth lye in peril lest they can free Raziel from the Soul Reaver. Kane asks how can they accomplish such a task? She tell him that it requires a sacrifice, that she shall enter the blade and push Raziel's sprit from the blade, thus becoming trapped in the wraith blade. Kain insists that it can not be done. Ariel informs him that when the blade was forged it held many secrets, true it was intended for Raziel to dwell inside, but the blade is also a tool for the sign of balance..you Kane, my balance would be forgiveness, and imprisoning myself inside the blade of the very man who took my life would be the ultimate act of forgivness...Raziel's destiny was to dwell inside the blade it did not say forever....He's dwelled inside of it, he's fufilled his destiny now it's time to write a new destiny......because my destiny is to forever dwell inside of the Soul Reaver. It's why I've never rested. Never crossed over. Wandered Nosgoth endlessly with the reaver ever present in the recesses of my mind......................................thus begins an epic new tale

Okay where did you get this from? Looks like another Black Rose to me :p

[c4spinn]

Black Rose.....Never heard of it.

[c4spinn]

(continued)........."So what must I do?" Kain asks. Ariel replies, "Stretch out your Reaver
before me, for I will need to enter it willingly in order that it may
not devour my soul like it has countless others."
Upon holding the Reaver high in the air, Ariel darts inside of the
wraith blade. The sword begins to tremble voilently so much that it
falls from Kain's grasp. It falls to the ground followed by a blinding
light. As the light dims Raziel begins to emerge from the dirt directly
beneath the sword. "Impossible!" Raziel says giving himself the once over
"Raziel, there isn't much time. Ariel came to me in a vision warning me of
the danger descending upon Nosgoth and all of it's inhabitants." Kain says.
"How have I come to be freed from the Soul Reaver?" Raziel asks.
Kain replies,"There's no time to explain. I must know, are you still able
to manifest the Sprit Reaver?" Raziel tries to summon the Reaver, and as
he does he feels a portion of himself leave him and form the blade.
"It feels different, something has changed." Raziel says. "Your reaver
is your own now, for Ariel dwells inside of my blade. Fate has saw it fit
to cast a new stone into the ripples of time waters. We now exist in a new
thread of time. Outside of the loop we both formerly traveled once before.
The destruction of The Elder God has ushered in a new future, a new reality.
But not without it's own consequences it would appear. Creatures are headed
to Nosgoth, one's which I cannot stop, to destroy everything that was or ever
will be." Raziel replies,"So instead of a slow corrupting death, we've in
fact rushed Nosgoths destruction into a single day?!?" Kain smugly retorts,
"Ahh but there are unknown variables.... "X's" in the equation. You being free of
the Reaver is one of them, I being gifted with an Ariel Reaver is the other."

[c4spinn]

(Continued)......As soon as Kain finishes his sentence, as if on cue- a pack of creatures consisting of twelve comes charging out of the surrounding bushes. Kain barely has time to react spinning around to see this oncoming threat. His spin slices
one of the beasts in half whom managed to be upon him so quick, that had he turned a
second later he would've surely been done for. (Game commences) Raziel preforms the
perforated carcass on one of the other beasts knocking the now perforated carcass back
and into another launching a energy blast behind him destroying both on impact.
Kain grabs one in a T.K. grip strangling him, but the creatures neck is thick,
proving impossible to choke. Kain is stuck merely holding the creature in a T.K. grip
but dealing no real damage otherwise. Raziel charges up his gifts and releases the
fire aura which burns all surrounding enemies. Kain vaporizes into mist form just
as the blast wave nears, passing thru him and engulfing two more creatures that had
managed to flank Kain's rear. Nothing remains but smoldering ashes where the creatures
once stood. Kain looks around and says,"Well now we have an ideal of what we're up
against." Meanwhile Raziel looks around and sees that his Fire Aura has only destroyed
their physical bodies, a specter version still remained of all twelve of the creatures.
He would have to impale these specters using the Reaver in order to feed off their soul.
and reducing them into specters made them faster, for their movements were now blurs.
Kain could offer no help since it was just outside of his realm of existence. Raziel
would have to take on these twelve creatures alone. Raziel ponders to himself. 'In this
realm are their tooth and claw as deadly to me, as they are to Kain in the Physical Realm?
I must not suffer a wound in order that I don't find out.'

[Linikratyo]

Black Rose.....Never heard of it.

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?p=954344

and you know it is spelled Kain, not Kane

[c4spinn]

thx for the oversight...just checked out Black Rose and I can't see how it sounds like another Black Rose...I'm going in a different direction true enough, but nothing so drastic as Black Rose, His story involves a new land, new (old) Raziel, new weapons....and no Spectral World He's basically taken everything that made Raziel great and such a cool character and stripped it away...I'd never commit such atrocities....I fully know that Kain is Raziel's master, and the LOK gave birth 2 Raziel....My story will indeed show How Raziel came to become his right hand. "Not literally of course by going into the past, but in his service to Kain, protecting Kain at all cost...Preserving the Scion of Balance." **Plz note** I'm fully aware of the Greatness of the LOK series and would never trample on it. I only ask to keep an open mind, that change and anything is possible.....nothing remains the same....MyPoint:: Years b4 Soul Reaver You'd not have believed it was possible for a vampire to come back from the dead and devour souls IN THE LOK SERIES....Had I written a story about Raziel years b4 he was created "most" people would down talk the idea simply because it makes Raziel appear more powerful the the main character of the story...So just keep in mind that it's possible...I read on alot of the threads that Raziel has completed his destiny. who says destiny ends where you completed it? How do you know there's no greater destiny that can only be achieved by reaching your destiny...(kinda off topic) IE:Michael Jackson, his destiny was to be a singer....he reached his destiny at 5 years old, he continued on, Record setting album Thriller, Inventing the Pop Genre, and eventually becoming the "King of Pop." so you see his ultimate destiny was not to become a singer...but a Legend....

[Linikratyo]

Okay, I'm now the first one to react, but we can simply see if your story is good by voting...

[leazy]

Okay where did you get this from? Looks like another Black Rose to me :p

:lmao: iI s'pose this is gonna be a LoK community meme from now on :p

[dreadd]

i would kill for a new soul reaver game! i know everyone says raz is gone but the sword was set asunder once so it could always happen again or kain and raz put together maybe kain turns into raz in the underworld idk something

[Aurang]

This brings me back.

Like its already been said, Kain cannot change the past now (unless another mysterious catalyst event occurs like that which Moebius used to cause the event where Kain changed history by killing William).

It has to occur in the future (SR1 era or later).

Nosgoth is damned unless...

a) Kain's purification counts in the SR1 era Nosgoth, despite the pillars collapsing (which implies they retain their ability to reinforce the natural forces of Nosgoth).

b) Kain's purification counts, but the pillars do not, and he has to find some way to fix them or make Nosgoth no longer reliant on their reinforcement.

Those seem to be the best way to start. There are so many facets to this debate, and its easy for anyone to get lost in the technicalities and ambiguities of LoK lore.

Thanks for the oversight, just checked out Black Rose and I can't see how it sounds like another Black Rose. I'm going in a different direction true enough, but nothing so drastic as Black Rose, as his story involves a new land, new (old) Raziel, new weapons, and no spectral world. He's basically taken everything that made Raziel great and such a cool character and stripped it away, I'd never commit such an atrocity. I fully know that Kain is Raziel's master, and the LoK gave birth to Raziel, and my story will indeed show how Raziel came to become his right hand.

"Not literally of course by going into the past, but in his service to Kain, protecting Kain at all cost, preserving the Scion of Balance." Please note that I'm fully aware of the greatness of the LOK series and would never trample on it. I only ask that you keep an open mind, that change and anything is possible, and that nothing remains the same; my point: Years before the events of Soul Reaver you would not have believed it was possible for a vampire to come back from the dead and devour souls IN THE LOK SERIES. Had I written a story about Raziel years before he was created "most" people would down talk the idea simply because it makes Raziel appear more powerful than the main character of the story. So just keep in mind that it's possible. I read on alot of the threads that Raziel has completed his destiny; who says destiny ends where you completed it? How do you know there's no greater destiny that can only be achieved by reaching your destiny?

e.g Michael Jackson, his destiny was to be a singer. He reached his destiny at 5 years old, he continued on to make the record setting album Thriller, create the pop genre, and eventually becoming the "King of Pop." so you see his ultimate destiny was not to become a singer, but a Legend.

Sorry for cleaning up your post, it just makes it easier for me to read while formulating a reply. There is no question about the potential for new ideas post-Defiance, in the SR era and beyond, especially since the whole time travel element has run its course and can no longer be beaten like the dead horse it is. Everyone here is willing to keep an open mind, so long as a story doesn't actually violate canon lore.

NOTE: Its recommended that you do a lot of research; there are helpful websites and wikis, as well as this board. There are, like I said earlier in this post, a lot of ambiguities associated with LoK lore, as well as a lot of ideas which have become commonly asserted, but which may be predicated by a said ambiguity. There are quite a few things that we as LoK fans don't know for sure, so I encourage you to make posts asking questions whenever you have them (it helps to be able to know when you're being handed a fact as opposed to an opinion).

People don't give LoK enough credit, especially since the story, post-Defiance, had finally emerged from the proverbial, 'temporal woods'.

Also, about Michael Jackson, thats more of a question about what his destiny was as opposed to what happened after he reached his destiny (which presupposes that it was to become a famous singer). In the case of Raziel, only the writers could really tell us if it was his destiny to become one with the reaver and purify Kain. Its obviously part of his fate now, but him and Kain will in a sense have further adventures 'together', so who knows what he'll go on to do.

[Teldar]

I don't fully understand why it's impossible now to change the past. Is it because all the events that have happened now have to remain the same and if they're changed, too much else would also change?

Is it because things will always lead up to how they are now in Kain's present time regardless of how much he tries to change thanks to the whole "history absors a paradox" thing?

I would understand the second thing as viable, but I still think it could technically be possible for Kain to change the past if he tried hard enough. On the other hand, would we need more timelines changed? I think it would be pretty uninspired if the next sequel had to do more with travelling back in time to change what has happened. Elder Kain should let things be how they are, and focus on completing his story :)

[Ber]

The Reaver is the key to the changes in the past. I believe.

[TheSquid]

It's not just the past that's immutable, it's all of time. The past and the future are equally changeable, equally "mutable", or immutable, or whatever. So if he really wanted to change the past some more Kain could expect to have just as much success doing that as altering the future era. But people don't want the past to change, mostly because we've played through that past history and grown to like it and we don't want to see it get wiped out and replaced again. Also, the other reason Kain needs to be more careful about messing around with the past is that Raziel used that time period to set Kain up in a winning position as the scion of balance. So if Kain tinkers too much with that era again all of the vampires' hard fought progress may disapper. There's even a chance that Kain himself could instantly go back to being (truly) Dead again in the future, like he was fated to die until SR2.

So the past is a scab that's nicely healed over now. Kain doesn't want to pick at it to reopen the old wounds. Whereas the future was still bleeding when he abondoned it, so it's more in need of some first aid right about now. The future (after the end of SR1) is a wiser place to go back to because Kain used to be dead by then, so it can't get much worse than that for him no matter how bad of a mistake he makes from here on out. The future is still 'immutable', but it's also a new-and-improved timeline, (hopefully), thanks to Raziel's paradoxes. So Kain's mission is no longer to change the future but to be a part of it and tend to it, now that he's armed with the tools he needs to heal the mess. It's still going to be quite a puzzle, though, because he has to start off with those totally wrecked pillars that Dark Prophecy was going to show us.