Wait, wait, WAIT! "Mild Suggestive Themes"?: A Look at the ESRB

[LC is Me]

Call me slow for just really paying attention to the ESRB, or any ESRB rating for that matter.

Of course, I love the fact that they are bringing back the blood (it never made the game any better, but it makes it realistic and provides lulz. YAY, lulz! =D ). Language, that's expected, with all the things going on (gun fights, melee, etc). But am I the only one who noticed the "Mild Suggestive Themes" on the rating?

Now before you say "Oh LC, quit being so immature :eyerolleyerolleyeroll:", I'm gonna break things down a bit for those who normally confuse my somewhat...lengthy posts.

:)

Tomb Raider + ESRB =/= Mild Suggestive Themes

I mean, seriously, when has anything in TR ever been "provocative" (LOL, with the exception of a certain cutscene in AOD)? That got me thinking, maybe TR is starting to get a bit more "hardcore" than most people think. Now, I'm not saying a rating makes a game more of video game; I can have fun with Mario Party 7 on my NGC more than I could some of my T and M rated games. But what I'm saying is, each year, TR just gets deeper and more action packed, and...INTERESTINGLY INTENSE. So, what is your take on this? What would you consider provocative about TR, if anything? Honest opinions people. Oh, btw, I'm not nitpicking, I just made a very interesting observation and wanted to see how you guys feel.
:)

[darksaiyan]

Do we get a shower scene?

I take the "Mild Suggestive Themes" as "I suggest you pay more attention to your family and less so of Lara's buns."

[Cheese is nice.]

Call me slow for just really paying attention to the ESRB, or any ESRB rating for that matter.

Of course, I love the fact that they are bringing back the blood (it never made the game any better, but it makes it realistic and provides lulz. YAY, lulz! =D ). Language, that's expected, with all the things going on (gun fights, melee, etc). But am I the only one who noticed the "Mild Suggestive Themes" on the rating?

Now before you say "Oh LC, quit being so immature :eyerolleyerolleyeroll:", I'm gonna break things down a bit for those who normally confuse my somewhat...lengthy posts.

:)

Tomb Raider + ESRB =/= Mild Suggestive Themes

I mean, seriously, when has anything in TR ever been "provocative" (LOL, with the exception of a certain cutscene in AOD)? That got me thinking, maybe TR is starting to get a bit more "hardcore" than most people think. Now, I'm not saying a rating makes a game more of video game; I can have fun with Mario Party 7 on my NGC more than I could some of my T and M rated games. But what I'm saying is, each year, TR just gets deeper and more action packed, and...INTERESTINGLY INTENSE. So, what is your take on this? What would you consider provocative about TR, if anything? Honest opinions people. Oh, btw, I'm not nitpicking, I just made a very interesting observation and wanted to see how you guys feel.
:)

It's the booty shorts and some of the costumes of Lara, Natla, and Amanda. That is why they have stated mild suggestive themes.

[LC is Me]

It's the booty shorts and some of the costumes of Lara, Natla, and Amanda. That is why they have stated mild suggestive themes.I find that hardly provac...

Hmm.
:scratch:

But that isn't SO bad, considering the environments she's in.

[naraku]

Call me slow for just really paying attention to the ESRB, or any ESRB rating for that matter.

Of course, I love the fact that they are bringing back the blood (it never made the game any better, but it makes it realistic and provides lulz. YAY, lulz! =D ). Language, that's expected, with all the things going on (gun fights, melee, etc). But am I the only one who noticed the "Mild Suggestive Themes" on the rating?

Now before you say "Oh LC, quit being so immature :eyerolleyerolleyeroll:", I'm gonna break things down a bit for those who normally confuse my somewhat...lengthy posts.

:)

Tomb Raider + ESRB =/= Mild Suggestive Themes

I mean, seriously, when has anything in TR ever been "provocative" (LOL, with the exception of a certain cutscene in AOD)? That got me thinking, maybe TR is starting to get a bit more "hardcore" than most people think. Now, I'm not saying a rating makes a game more of video game; I can have fun with Mario Party 7 on my NGC more than I could some of my T and M rated games. But what I'm saying is, each year, TR just gets deeper and more action packed, and...INTERESTINGLY INTENSE. So, what is your take on this? What would you consider provocative about TR, if anything? Honest opinions people. Oh, btw, I'm not nitpicking, I just made a very interesting observation and wanted to see how you guys feel.
:)

When has it been provocative?! :scratch: um, lots of times, actually, in the OG days of Tomb Raider under Core. For instance TR2, the end scene of her in nightgown and shower. Where else um... TR5, with Larson in Rome, Larson and Pierre sneak up on her. Larson has to frisk her, Lara says something like, "Why don't you try the back pockets?" then Lara kicks him in the unmentionables :lol: then there's the scene every KTEB love's *sigh* the similar frisking by Kurtis Trent. So I don't think Mild Suggestive Theme mean anything new, like nudity taking place. Probably just going old school again, which would be a plus. It's just that the new CD stuff E rated compared to Core's.

[Cheese is nice.]

I find that hardly provac...

Hmm.
:scratch:

But that isn't SO bad, considering the environments she's in.


Doesn't matter. It's the fact that she's wearing what other people view as inapropriate. Lets just say she's not exactly dressed as Princess Peach.

[Jurre]

Doesn't matter. It's the fact that she's wearing what other people view as inapropriate. Lets just say she's not exactly dressed as Princess Peach.
Might be worth a try though...

[Cheese is nice.]

Might be worth a try though...

Ha! Someone should photoshop that!!

[naraku]

Doesn't matter. It's the fact that she's wearing what other people view as inapropriate. Lets just say she's not exactly dressed as Princess Peach.

When is Lara dressed like princess peach? Oh yeah maybe Tokyo in Legend :p . But even Princess Peach now shows more skin. The golf game.

[Cheese is nice.]

When is Lara dressed like princess peach? Oh yeah maybe Tokyo in Legend :p . But even Princess Peach now shows more skin. The golf game.

But not cleavage, or booty. Before you say Lara doesn't show booty, WETSUIT.

[rg_001100]

LOL, with the exception of a certain cutscene in AOD?

You mean the stripping scene? ;) No, not suggestive at all.

[naraku]

But not cleavage, or booty. Before you say Lara doesn't show booty, WETSUIT.

A rather conservative Wetsuit, but sure she shows booty, I would rather she have her weaing a scuba suit with goggles and oxy tank, and those foot flipper thingies. Don't ask me why:nut: Booty is not all bad, but before they try to turn her into a vixen they should first give us more booty kickery i.e weapons. Sassy ness is ok so long as it does go into the twilight zone like in TR4, example: young Lara talking to Von Croy about assets. NOW THAT WAS WEIRD, not to mention creepy. :eek:

[LC is Me]

LOL, pretty good responses so far.

As to the past games being "provocative", naraku, they never received the same reasoning for the content. So maybe there is something else added in TRU. In TR5, the only content listed in the ESRB was Animated Blood and Violence. Same for TR2. I kind of asked myself "Why raise the eyebrow now?", y'know?
:)

EDIT: Yes, I agree. Von Croy must have been PedoBear in disguise.
D:

[rg_001100]

I don't think they'll necessarily add extra in - Core did that. I think it's just ESRB being more sensitive to Lara Croft's sex symbolism, and maybe a couple of the outfits are a bit too provocotive to let it slide.

[LC is Me]

I don't think they'll necessarily add extra in - Core did that. I think it's just ESRB being more sensitive to Lara Croft's sex symbolism, and maybe a couple of the outfits are a bit too provocotive to let it slide.Sounds like some of the people rating these game are jellin'.

:whistle:

-changes text color-

[naraku]

LOL, pretty good responses so far.

As to the past games being "provocative", naraku, they never received the same reasoning for the content. So maybe there is something else added in TRU. In TR5, the only content listed in the ESRB was Animated Blood and Violence. Same for TR2. I kind of asked myself "Why raise the eyebrow now?", y'know?
:)

EDIT: Yes, I agree. Von Croy must have been PedoBear in disguise.
D:

In one thread, there's been so many, and can't remember which, there was talk about the standards for ratings have changed since 1996, things that would be rated teen in 96' might not make it to Teen now. Perhaps it's why she looked at bloodless hands in TRA after killing Larson, compared to blood oozing ones in AOD. Though this Mild Suggestive themes ESRB could hint at too much skin or more than usual.

[josh1122]

everyone is just too uptight now a days, rating systems etc etc, its the reason for most of the ratings you'll see now a days, so im not surprised by anything really

*leaves thread and goes to sleep,maybe...* :D

[LC is Me]

In one thread, there's been so many, and can't remember which, there was talk about the standards for ratings have changed since 1996, things that would be rated teen in 96' might not make it to Teen now. Perhaps it's why she looked at bloodless hands in TRA after killing Larson, compared to blood oozing ones in AOD. Though this Mild Suggestive themes ESRB could hint at too much skin or more than usual.
DUN DUN DUN!

BTW, they showed blood on her hands in TRA, in the palms of her gloves.
;)

It's really hard to see and the only way you can see it is if you play through the entire game again, because you can't see it in the cutscenes or when replaying levels.

everyone is just too uptight now a days, rating systems etc etc, its the reason for most of the ratings you'll see now a days, so im not surprised by anything really

*leaves thread and goes to sleep,maybe...* :D
Uptight, jealous, unsexy people!

D:<

LOL, g'night Josh.
:D

[naraku]

Hmm... I wonder what the whole there will be blood in TRU thread was about. :scratch: There could have been though, I'm not sure cause I didn't much care for the whole Lara is a good girl she cries when she shoots a bad guy deal. Just passed GOW and now that was a game worthy of the blood gore, nudity, violence rating. Don't worry LC I don't think TRU will approach anywhere near that kind of suggestive themes.

[LC is Me]

Hmm... I wonder what the whole there will be blood in TRU thread was about. :scratch: There could have been though, I'm not sure cause I didn't much care for the whole Lara is a good girl she cries when she shoots a bad guy deal. Just passed GOW and now that was a game worthy of the blood gore, nudity, violence rating. Don't worry LC I don't think TRU will approach anywhere near that kind of suggestive themes.Yeah, I'd hope no nudity.

YECK!
Dx


At least there's blood in TRU though.
8D

[emzee]

I dont think core or cyrstal dynamics would put any overly sexual things into the Tomb raider games because that really would ruin it. I think it just a few of Lara's outfits or maybe ESRB are being too sensitive.

[Dusk Knight]

Legend has "Suggestive Themes" (not "mild") and Anniversary also has "Mild Suggestive Themes" according to the ESRB (http://www.esrb.org/)

I don't think we're in for anything particularly shocking here.

Also if there was nudity or partial nudity the ESRB would say this. Soulcalibur IV was rated for "Partial Nudity" and "Sexual Themes".

[naraku]

Legend has "Suggestive Themes" (not "mild") and Anniversary also has "Mild Suggestive Themes" according to the ESRB (http://www.esrb.org/)

I don't think we're in for anything particularly shocking here.

Also if there was nudity or partial nudity the ESRB would say this. Soulcalibur IV was rated for "Partial Nudity" and "Sexual Themes".

Soulcalibur IV? Partial nudity? ain't it a fighting game? What's partial nudity for in a game like that, distracting opponents? :scratch:

[Dusk Knight]

Soulcalibur IV? Partial nudity? ain't it a fighting game? What's partial nudity for in a game like that, distracting opponents? :scratch:
Yeah, pretty much.:rolleyes:

It's nothing new to Soulcalibur. The female characters outfits have always been a bit on the ridiculous side.

[toughraid3r37]

Mild Suggestive Themes means that you might think into trying some things that lara can do.. for instance.. jumping from building to building or ledge to rope. :)

[moliketombdestroyer]

mild suggestive scenes isn't anything new...

Legend and Anniversary both have suggestive themes in the ESRB

[JustMe]

Yeah, pretty much.:rolleyes:

It's nothing new to Soulcalibur. The female characters outfits have always been a bit on the ridiculous side.

yeah..in soulcalibur IV Ivy is almost completely naked

[Love2Raid]

It's just the outfits ;)
If anyone would be acting slutty in TRU it would be Amanda, not Lara (CD would do that on purpose so they can put Lara into tiny outfits without us finding it slutty at all :lol: )

[franiqueblack]

Uptight, jealous, unsexy people!

D:<

LOL, g'night Josh.
:D

True. they're just feeling rather inferior seeing a game character out-beating them.
aww. c'mon~ Lara's only a game icon. i mean, gamers and kids today know well enough what is real and what is fake/plastic/cosmetic modification. :D

[LC is Me]

Yeah, pretty much.:rolleyes:

It's nothing new to Soulcalibur. The female characters outfits have always been a bit on the ridiculous side.And what's funny is that people in the past have had more problems with Lara Croft and her breast size than with Soul Calibur and the female chracters on that game.

@tombraidergal: Yeah, I'm a girl.

I don't find anything she wears "slutty". Shows some skin, but it's all in how you wear an outfit that makes it slutty. Any girl can put on a short pair of shorts and a midriff shirt, and could be going hiking out in the hot weather or partake in vigorous exercise or something. But any girl can put on that same outfit and walk around with a bunch of guys, and purposely bend over a gazillion times to "fix her shoe". Hell, I wear some pretty short shorts and a sports bra to gymnastics practice, but you'll never see me wear that around my house or going out with friends to hangout.

I think it's funny when guys are shocked that I play video games. I love the facial expression: :eek:

[CAARaeed]

"everyone is just too uptight now a days, rating systems etc etc, its the reason for most of the ratings you'll see now a days"

i agree. i guess some people may think cleavage is 'suggestive'.

[CAARaeed]

And what's funny is that people in the past have had more problems with Lara Croft and her breast size than with Soul Calibur and the female chracters on that game.

@tombraidergal: Yeah, I'm a girl.

I don't find anything she wears "slutty". Shows some skin, but it's all in how you wear an outfit that makes it slutty. Any girl can put on a short pair of shorts and a midriff shirt, and could be going hiking out in the hot weather or partake in vigorous exercise or something. But any girl can put on that same outfit and walk around with a bunch of guys, and purposely bend over a gazillion times to "fix her shoe". Hell, I wear some pretty short shorts and a sports bra to gymnastics practice, but you'll never see me wear that around my house or going out with friends to hangout.

I think it's funny when guys are shocked that I play video games. I love the facial expression: :eek:


hahaha. i'll bet

[jayjay119]

Call me slow for just really paying attention to the ESRB, or any ESRB rating for that matter.

Of course, I love the fact that they are bringing back the blood (it never made the game any better, but it makes it realistic and provides lulz. YAY, lulz! =D ). Language, that's expected, with all the things going on (gun fights, melee, etc). But am I the only one who noticed the "Mild Suggestive Themes" on the rating?

Now before you say "Oh LC, quit being so immature :eyerolleyerolleyeroll:", I'm gonna break things down a bit for those who normally confuse my somewhat...lengthy posts.

:)

Tomb Raider + ESRB =/= Mild Suggestive Themes

I mean, seriously, when has anything in TR ever been "provocative" (LOL, with the exception of a certain cutscene in AOD)? That got me thinking, maybe TR is starting to get a bit more "hardcore" than most people think. Now, I'm not saying a rating makes a game more of video game; I can have fun with Mario Party 7 on my NGC more than I could some of my T and M rated games. But what I'm saying is, each year, TR just gets deeper and more action packed, and...INTERESTINGLY INTENSE. So, what is your take on this? What would you consider provocative about TR, if anything? Honest opinions people. Oh, btw, I'm not nitpicking, I just made a very interesting observation and wanted to see how you guys feel.
:)

HMMM now that i think there have been quite many instances where TR has been provocative in the past, obviuously the one everyone remembers is the shower scene at the end of 'Home sweet home ' in TR2. But there have always been bits of TR that have been provocative, whether it is the slightly too revealing costume in TR3 or the flirtatious intro cut-scene with Pierre and Larson in TRC. However these days I think almost anything to do with a game like TR could be considered s containing 'mild suggestive themes' it probably just depends on who you are and what you believe in relation to the story being told.

Originally posted by LC is me;
And what's funny is that people in the past have had more problems with Lara Croft and her breast size than with Soul Calibur and the female chracters on that game.

Lol tell me about it, I feel so sorry for Ivy I don't know how that girl doesn't capsize her breasts have become so big in SC4!

[LC is Me]

HMMM now that i think there have been quite many instances where TR has been provocative in the past, obviuously the one everyone remembers is the shower scene at the end of 'Home sweet home ' in TR2. But there have always been bits of TR that have been provocative, whether it is the slightly too revealing costume in TR3 or the flirtatious intro cut-scene with Pierre and Larson in TRC. However these days I think almost anything to do with a game like TR could be considered s containing 'mild suggestive themes' it probably just depends on who you are and what you believe in relation to the story being told.LOL, we got shotgun'd before anything happened in TR2, but I see what you mean.

I just thought that if that was the case it would have had something like Suggestive or something for that game.

[jayjay119]

LOL, we got shotgun'd before anything happened in TR2, but I see what you mean.

I just thought that if that was the case it would have had something like Suggestive or something for that game.

I suppose so but these were the gool ol' days before rating had come in. The first TR game to be regulated here in the UK was TR3 and even then they weren't as hard core as they are these days- you have to have a parental advisory sign if a character gets wet in a game these days.

[Cheese is nice.]

Whether we like it or not, Lara is a sexy character. Eidos knows that and will continue to . . . accentuate that with perhaps-not-suggestive-to-you-but-maybe-to-other-people costumes. If she shows ANY CLEAVAGE OR BOOTY, they will label suggestive themes.;)

[phoenixflames]

I'm glad that TR is sticking to a Teen rating. A Mature rating just wouldn't fit for Ms. Croft and would limit sales to minors.

[Madenice]

I love it that the blood is back :P
It's sooo unreal in legend and Anni ><

now I think it's sad to shoot and kick those tigers :p xD

[phoenixflames]

now I think it's sad to shoot and kick those tigers :p xD

So you'd enjoy to play it nice and let them maul you? :cool:

[Anarae]

I don't think it's going to be anything shocking.

Legend's ended up getting Suggestive Themes added to the rating because if you pay attention to Rutland during his boss fight, he has a dirty mouth.

[Lexy]

I don't think it's going to be anything shocking.

Legend's ended up getting Suggestive Themes added to the rating because if you pay attention to Rutland during his boss fight, he has a dirty mouth.

yeah, i noticed that too (i also noticed he said the same things over and over and over...) :lol:

[JLMackey]

It's because her breasts have physics in Legend, Anniversary and Underworld and she had far too little polygons in TR1-5 to make the suggestive themes that realistic...now she has rather realistic body parts...and I don't think her breasts had physics in AoD, plus she didn't really wear that many revealing outfits.

Like Soul Calibur, if you look at the rather revealing woman's outfits, not only are they exaggerated, but they, too, have physics on their breasts.

Do you think CrystalD used the physics engine on her breasts first? :scratch:

[josh1122]

yeah thats all that can really be said.

Soul Calibur 4

:lol:

[LC is Me]

yeah thats all that can really be said.

Soul Calibur 4

:lol:Yeah and you don't hear people complain about SC 4 like they do Tomb Raider when it comes to boobage. If they are naturally big then, I mean...hey.

Flaunt it?
Awkward...


Soul Calibur looks to unreal though.

[LC is Me]

Whether we like it or not, Lara is a sexy character. Eidos knows that and will continue to . . . accentuate that with perhaps-not-suggestive-to-you-but-maybe-to-other-people costumes. If she shows ANY CLEAVAGE OR BOOTY, they will label suggestive themes.;)Of course she is sexy.

People obviously have a problem with that though. I lol'd when they were forced to reduce her chest because feminists found it sexist or too much of a sex appeal.
:lol:

-sorry for double posting...again. I can't help it :o -

[Larzs]

Does it matter? No not really, quite a few TR games(I think) have it and just about EVERY freaking RPG has it. Her outfits being skin tight and the way water rolls off her and the physics of her movements......it doesn't really matter. It's not like she is flashing skin or intentionally moving it a sexy way. I mean, is there any REAL reason to add on the whole arcing back flip up from a ledge......not really other then making her look hot! And you know what sells REAL well.....sex....it's a marketing move.

[Cheese is nice.]

Does it matter? No not really, quite a few TR games(I think) have it and just about EVERY freaking RPG has it. Her outfits being skin tight and the way water rolls off her and the physics of her movements......it doesn't really matter. It's not like she is flashing skin or intentionally moving it a sexy way. I mean, is there any REAL reason to add on the whole arcing back flip up from a ledge......not really other then making her look hot! And you know what sells REAL well.....sex....it's a marketing move.

This is true.

[LC is Me]

Does it matter? No not really, quite a few TR games(I think) have it and just about EVERY freaking RPG has it. Her outfits being skin tight and the way water rolls off her and the physics of her movements......it doesn't really matter. It's not like she is flashing skin or intentionally moving it a sexy way. I mean, is there any REAL reason to add on the whole arcing back flip up from a ledge......not really other then making her look hot! And you know what sells REAL well.....sex....it's a marketing move.You don't understand where I am coming from though.

I don't find any of the things in TR provocative. I want to know why the ESRB does.
;)

So, what were you saying?

[Greenas]

Doesn't matter. It's the fact that she's wearing what other people view as inapropriate. Lets just say she's not exactly dressed as Princess Peach.

Yes , especially in TRL in Japan , she reminds of a cavewoman with a loin cloth then :lol: