Is Core to blame? [Archive]

Jorge22

10-24-2002, 04:55 AM

Ok, it's great that Core want to debug the new AOD so as not to make it look like another Chronicles. But they must have known, long ago, they wouldn't be able to have the game for sale in November/December and they still led us to believe, almost up to the final moments, we would be having AOD before Xmas. Therefore, no matter how much everybody agrees to a new TR without bugs and glitches, how much is Core to blame in the minds of us raiders? That's what I would like to know. And so would Core, I guess...

THE True Lara

10-24-2002, 05:17 AM

at least they didn't wait 'till November to break the news.....

LeeO

10-24-2002, 05:21 AM

I know it's a good thing really... but I'm a bit gutted cause that's what I wanted for Christmas. I don't know what I'm going to get now...

susan

10-24-2002, 05:31 AM

I agree with Jorge. I don't work in the games industry but I work in product development and so am involved in product launches. They'll have known for ages that they were seriously behind schedule (I mean, we're not talking a couple of weeks behind here but three whole months!) They must have known it wasn't going to happen.

Maybe they were hoping they could cut corners and still release before Christmas, but then Sony said no.

DaveJ

10-24-2002, 05:36 AM

Get over it.

susan

10-24-2002, 06:17 AM

Maybe you should get over the fact that we want to talk about our frustrations....what do you think?

DaveJ

10-24-2002, 06:34 AM

I think its a waste of oxygen and/or typing skills, personally.

Nothing anyone says is gonna change the fact that its not coming out next month, and that people would genuinely have something to be frustrated about if the game DID come out next month and was hurried, unfinished and riddled with faults.

I am also personally amazed that the lack of publicity from Core/Eidos other than obligatory repetitive screenshots didn't set alarm bells off in the minds of the majority (as opposed to the minority) that November was looking less and less likely.

Data

10-24-2002, 08:18 AM

Agreed............. please be patient; it will be worth the wait. ;)

Jorge22

10-24-2002, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by DaveJ
I am also personally amazed that the lack of publicity from Core/Eidos other than obligatory repetitive screenshots didn't set alarm bells off in the minds of the majority (as opposed to the minority) that November was looking less and less likely.

Just today I bought the portuguese game magazine Mega Score (they offered the complete Jekyll & Hyde by Cryo/InUtero - nice, reminds me of Alice somehow) and I shall translate from page 25: "Lara Croft, Tomb Raider, the angel of darkness/Play Staion 2/PC CD ROM/Core Design/Eidos Interactive/Available on November 15 ". What about that?

DaveJ

10-24-2002, 09:20 AM

:rolleyes:
Oh for goodness' sake...they were going on the only info available to them - and everyone else.

The projected release date.

Which ultimately makes them as wrong as everyone else. Just because they reprint it doesn't make it gospel.

Rule of thumb: Don't go by magazine articles, dates on websites offering pre-orders, or misguided shop assistants.

Wait till its on the shelf for you to pick up and buy.

shirl123

10-24-2002, 10:21 AM

Originally posted by DaveJ
Get over it.

I totally agree with you.
I wouldn't mind to wait another year, to get a better game, with no bugs and stuff.
I guess some people in here got nothing else to do, so they are doing something that is very childish in my opinion: blaming core, for improving the game.
c'mon! this is just stupid! (no offence to you guys)
3 monthes isn't such a long time, and you can buy other PC/PS2 games that will keep you busy...or you can go out, and get a normal life. it's beautiful out there.

once again, I don't want to offend anyone, but this is just stupid.

thanhkim

10-24-2002, 12:14 PM

At the end of the day it's only a game and life does go on and if you keep yourself busy with other things then time will fly and before you know it you will have it in your hot little hands. I mean I still think Lara is great and all but I think you have to put things into prospective. Ps: Alot of what I say on the forum is supposed to be funny joke, not to serious but one can never tell on the net when you write. I've been told I should become a comedian, mind you I don't think I'm that funny.

SuzieCroft

10-24-2002, 01:34 PM

get over it... it's just a game... if a game's the most important thing in your life, you need to get out more... LOTS more...

LaraAngelOfDarkness

10-24-2002, 04:17 PM

Well how can I get a life when I live practically in the middle of Nowhere. Nobody lives around me, except and old man and women and a pink dog that keep me up all night with their constant screaming:D !

Jorge22

10-24-2002, 04:17 PM

Dave J, it was not an article, it was a commercial, therefore I suppose somehow paid by Core and Eidos.

Other people, as I'm concerned I have a life outside the forums and apart from the games. I've got work, friends, a family, hobbies, all you could call a life. I am also entitled to blame Core or anyone else I please that doesn't keep up to schedules, just the same as I would be blamed for it. Sorry, but this is a TR forum, the exact place for that. Now, think whatever you please but I seem to sense some non-TR agressiveness showing here. No offense, really, I'm just making a point.

lilara

10-24-2002, 04:48 PM

**** folks its only not that long to xmas yeah iam pissed off because i cant get what i preordered and it wont be that long till it comes out yeah

core did put them selves on a limb & said yes it will be out by november but they were probley pushing themselves to hard & in business that happens all the time

DaveJ

10-24-2002, 11:44 PM

Originally posted by Jorge22
Dave J, it was not an article, it was a commercial, therefore I suppose somehow paid by Core and Eidos.

....and Eidos originally said November.

When was the new announcement made?
When did the magazine get printed?

Its very simple logic, really.

raiderofdarkness

10-25-2002, 01:31 AM

DaveJ,
I think they're just making the point that Core/Eidos would have to have known months ago that it wasn't going to be released in time, but yet waited until a month within the release date to own up and tell the eagerly awaiting fans. I, for one, don't mind a delay, but I understand the frustration that we weren't told earlier. As for telling people to get over it and stop acting childish, or that it's a waste of typing skills... why don't you just avoid these threads. .and save your precious typing if it annoys you so much. Coming into a thread, when you know what the topic is, and acting annoyed and talking down to those discussing the topic.. seems more childish. Just a thought ;)

Now I can only hope they delay the game long enough to come to their senses and get rid of the Kurtis character... I just don't see a how a telepathic guy is gonna bring much to the game. :rolleyes: Guess time will tell.

susan

10-25-2002, 02:00 AM

Thank you Raiderofdarkness!

I'm amazed at how hostile everyone is getting over a few threads reflecting on the likelihood of Core/Eidos knowing ages ago that AOD wasn't going to be released in November.

Is that not allowed to be mentioned?

I thought this was a TR forum for fans to talk about everything to do with TR... I didn't realise people would tell others to shut up and get a life if they expressed an opinion.

I can't remember anyone saying in this thread that their life wasn't worth living because they didn't have a new TR game to play...now THAT would maybe deserve concern over someone's quality of life, but then again maybe not...each to their own I say.

I'm personally glad they haven't released - I don't want a buggy game - but I do think they could have told us sooner. That's all.

Still enjoyed reading everyone's comments though! :)

DaveJ

10-25-2002, 02:29 AM

Like you said yourself elsewhere, Susan...they were probably hoping they could still squeeze it out in time.
A months notice is better than a week. Or none at all...which is also commonplace.

And of course people are entitled to complain/air their frustrations/contemplate suicide....I just like to give them another perspective. As do we all ultimately.

Jorge22

10-25-2002, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by DaveJ

....and Eidos originally said November.

When was the new announcement made?
When did the magazine get printed?

Its very simple logic, really.

Dave, the magazine is dated November 2002.

Just let us complain. It's only fair. Anyway, I think I've complained enough already, so...

DaveJ

10-25-2002, 05:21 AM

Exactly my point Jorge...the magazine went to press before the new announcement was made. It will have been printed at least a week ago...Eidos made the announcement at the start of this week.

Complain till you pop...it won't change anything.
;)

Lady in Black

10-25-2002, 07:29 AM

Okay people! This stupid argument is really starting to annoy me! Now DaveJ it looks as you and the other fans HAS SOMETHING really to complain about.
ABOUT HOW YOU AND OTHER PEOPLE JUST CAN'T GET ALONG TO TALK ABOUT A SIMPLE SUBJECT!!!! :mad:

I think it might as well this thread should be closed if nobody here could say something nice to one and another. That's what the threads are for! To meet other fans and find new friends! Not new enemies!:mad:

DaveJ

10-25-2002, 07:55 AM

Sounds like you're the only one here getting worked up, sunshine....we folks are having a discussion is all.

Big difference.

You are the only one using the hissy-fit smilies, after all...everyone else here seems to be conducting themselves in a civil manner.

Lady in Black

10-25-2002, 07:59 AM

So what! You're still agruing, now with me AGAIN!

DaveJ

10-25-2002, 08:04 AM

You really can't tell the difference between an argument and a conversation?

So you assume that everyone who disagrees with you - or even worse points out how wrong you are - is arguing with you?

How very sad for you.

We call it a discussion over here.

Lady in Black

10-25-2002, 08:08 AM

I might not know when somebody is agruing or not but I definately know when somebody disagrees with somebody else and how it always ended up to be like if nobody tries to stop it.

DaveJ

10-25-2002, 08:12 AM

Depends on your skills as a debater.

As far as I'm concerned this one is over...you seem like you are trying to stir up a fight in the middle of a discussion...and I'm not interested in going there. Level-headed debate = yes....stamping ones feet and being petulant = gave that up after the operation.

shirl123

10-25-2002, 10:02 AM

lets just end it in this way:
we should blame core, because we don't know for sure if they knew that the'll deley it or not.
just think about it in this way: it could be, that they've finished making the game, and when they tested it....you know what happend.
so they tried/are trying hard to fix all the bugs and they realized that they wont make it in this so they decided to deley it.
instead of blaming them, we should thank them for doing theey're best to please us...at least in my opinion :D

p.s.
I can't spell today and I'm way too tired to look for grammar mistakes in my post. so please forgive me for that.

Rusty_DK

10-25-2002, 08:44 PM

I could say something right now...but I'll just shut my mouth and learn toignore 'person x's' threads and replys in the near future. And I could mention what their problem is, but I would be giving too much away...

chloe

10-26-2002, 01:50 AM

well yes dissapoint that tomb raider aod wasn't coming out in nov
i was going to ask for tomb raider aod for christmas but until
tomb raider comes out in feb 2003 \I WILL ask for bloodrayne
as christmas and maybe dark angel game base on the tv show
dark angel or drakan 2 for ps2

Jorge22

10-26-2002, 05:52 AM

Wow, I'm really sorry this thread, a mere discussion, has turned out to somehow become an argument at times. Peace, people! All I was asking was if, in your opinion, Core was to blame or not. Everyone's entitled to their opinions and I'm sure we can all get along without becoming agressive... :cool:

Lady in Black

10-26-2002, 06:40 AM

Originally posted by Jorge22
Wow, I'm really sorry this thread, a mere discussion, has turned out to somehow become an argument at times. Peace, people! All I was asking was if, in your opinion, Core was to blame or not. Everyone's entitled to their opinions and I'm sure we can all get along without becoming agressive... :cool:
That's what I told DaveJ. Thank you very much!:)

mulder

10-26-2002, 08:30 PM

Disappointed? Why would anyone be upset when there are so many new & better games to play that have come out...So so many good games that have come out in the last month (and the next) to easily keep me busy until long after TR is released.....

Chill People.....Dave is right as rain.....Get Over It...

ANoDE

10-29-2002, 07:43 AM

I don't really know, how to think about core's decission to correct the release-date up to 28th of February.

:mad: I think, on the one hand, they really should have told us earlier. Then it wouldn't look like such a panic act ("Oh, dear god! We won't finish the game, what shall we do, what shall we do??...").

:D On the other hand it is clear, that everyone wants to play a game without the need to save and load and save and load because there are bugs over bugs in it. It's fine to correct it, sure; but I'm also sure, it wouldn't have been so hard to let us know that one or two months earlier.

thanhkim

10-29-2002, 08:51 AM

Yes some companies can't organize a poo on the toliet. I don't know. hehehe:D Even the local game place I went to says this company has a rep for getting games late. Not very good customer service but still they do make the best TR Rules!

Lady in Black

10-30-2002, 08:05 AM

I think it would be cool if they released it on Feb. 14.
Lara's birthday!:cool:

Dad

10-31-2002, 07:53 AM

Originally posted by Lady in Black
I think it would be cool if they released it on Feb. 14.
Lara's birthday!:cool:

Oh now you told everybody, that was Eidos and Cores plan all along.

lara_croft_AOD(danny.k)

11-02-2002, 04:36 PM

the least they can do is give us a demo in november

thanhkim

11-03-2002, 10:37 AM

Originally posted by lara_croft_AOD(danny.k)
the least they can do is give us a demo in november As both I and Lara would say: "NO" the least Core could have done is put the game out on time. What were they doing sleeping on the job. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz:D

BeKs

11-06-2002, 04:40 PM

Well this is the way i see it -

Core is doing what ultimately is best in the end for "Tomb Raider - The Angel of Darkness" this logically also makes it best for you. You get a good, 'finnished' game to play. They get the satisfaction of making a brilliant game that you enjoyed playing.

Do you really think the people at Core sat there and thought " I know .... lets really annoy everyone and delay the game for a laugh" They obviously made a hard decision for the best of Lara. They know what they are doing so i think you should repect that. Be dissapointed yes, but dont go blaming people. We want the game to be great just as much as they do.

My opinion :p

Lady in Black

11-08-2002, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by BeKs
Well this is the way i see it -

Core is doing what ultimately is best in the end for "Tomb Raider - The Angel of Darkness" this logically also makes it best for you. You get a good, 'finnished' game to play. They get the satisfaction of making a brilliant game that you enjoyed playing.

Do you really think the people at Core sat there and thought " I know .... lets really annoy everyone and delay the game for a laugh" They obviously made a hard decision for the best of Lara. They know what they are doing so i think you should repect that. Be dissapointed yes, but dont go blaming people. We want the game to be great just as much as they do.

My opinion :p
I agree with you.:)

Ann-Marie

11-16-2002, 02:59 AM

Let´s say like this: Let Core work in peace. the game will be great when it ´s released. Let us be patient there´s no need to argue or debate. There are a lot of great games out now, try something new while you´re waiting.

total_inferno

11-24-2002, 08:14 AM

alright.... evreything is calm... my kind of world:cool: ... (not)

:D anywayz... other then the bugs... core delayed the game for one other reason... they were afraid ..that by rlesing it around the time vice city was coming out... they would bearly make sales.... so did a lot of other game companies... :(

Cyber_Punk_303

11-24-2002, 04:05 PM

I say they take they're sweet time.

It'd be smart to release it during the summer to coincide with the next TR movie. If it takes that long to make as good as TR1.

SO BE IT!!!

DonCorleone

11-28-2002, 04:55 PM

Bite me.
Evil Admin

SuzieCroft

11-29-2002, 07:11 AM

'Course you got AoD, sugar. Why would we disbelieve you?

As a matter of fact, I beat FFX-2 this morning. Great game, and that ending.. blew me away!

And a freind of mine got Project Eden 2 in the mail the other day. He was very excited, and hasn't been seen since...

:rolleyes:

DonCorleone

11-29-2002, 09:43 AM

Ok Im kidding sorry

Yeah...you are pretty sorry. Really, really, pathetically sorry.
Evil Admin

traider28

11-29-2002, 05:27 PM