Where do you want to go in Deus Ex 3? (post your top three picks) [Archive]

transhuman

11-29-2007, 06:38 PM

The original Deus Ex had great locations: the statue of Liberty, New York City, Hong Kong, Paris, Area 51/Naval Base/Bunker ... Then in DX:IW there were Seattle, Cairo, Trier (what the hell?) and Antarctica (followed by the Statue of Liberty again to make 5)... not quite as cool and the maps were all pretty small. I really hope that we have some big cities for this one!

My top three picks:
1. Washington DC
The original Deus Ex had a great political edge to it which made the plot more relevant and interesting; from the analysis of the trailer images it has been suggested that this game might be going back to an era in the DX universe even closer to now than the first game was. Besides being the perfect city for a politically charged storyline, DC is one of the most recognizable cities in the world. It would look great in trailers, would start the game on a really high note if it began on the Mall near the Washington Monument and the Capitol (maybe if there were demonstrations there for/against the Biopolitic Act?), and it would be really fun to run around the capitol in the game!

2. Tokyo, Japan
This one is a no-brainer. Invisible War didn't seem like it was as global a game as the first Deus Ex; they completely forgot Asia! Hong Kong was one of the best locations in Deus Ex. I think game developers tend to avoid using Tokyo because it seems too huge, but all you would need are a couple metro stops: Hachiko crossing in Shibuya, Akihabara, maybe Yoyogi Park? Maybe you could take a bullet train across the countryside? I have to think that pretty much all DX nerds would love to go to Tokyo. One of the best locations I can imagine for DX3!

3. Rome, Italy
When you think of great European cities this has to be right at the top of the list! Recognizable architecture and an epic sense of history, which would fit in well with all of the Leonardo Da Vinci stuff. Rome would be the perfect place to go to find out more about the Illuminati and historical secret societies. Another great possibility for the European city would be Venice - I remember really enjoying the canal section of Hong Kong in DX (even after beating the game several times I was still finding new stuff down there) and it would provide a totally different feel.

Where do you want to go in the next Deus Ex game?

IceBallz

11-29-2007, 08:48 PM

1. Whole World Trade Center building , New York and some mission parts from streets of New York.

2. Whole Pentagon building, Washington DC and some mission parts from streets of Washington.

3. Area 51, and some small ghost villages outside Area 51 or in Nevada.

Godot

11-29-2007, 10:12 PM

1. Siberia - Somewhere with wide open terrain and forests where the old Soviet establishment managed to hide secret projects aimed at designing super agents.

2. Australia - Where groups of survivalists have camped and trained for so long, waiting for the rest of the world to destroy itself, that some of them have even begun taking a more active role in the process.

3. Some city affected and greatly changed by climate change such as:
- London - Made much colder by the Gulfstream being shutdown.
- Venice - Reconstructed to deal with a higher sea level.
- Cape Canaveral, Florida - Abandoned after being mostly destroyed by recurring category 7 hurricane superstorms (also a consequence of Gulfstream shutdown). Besides, space missions are now launched via one of a number of space elevators established along the equator.

eightbits

11-30-2007, 12:16 PM

Jerusalem (no Illuminati style story is complete without involvement from Israel.)

London

Buenos Aires

Berlin

Islamabad

And yes, Venice would be fun as hell! More variety with some underwater action going on.

And, some action in air would be good too. As much as I hate to say it, I would like to see Deus Ex kinda use a formula like James Bond movies. There is almost always some action in every movie in each of the following terrains:

air
sea
land

I would like to see that as well. We had a *little* water in the original Deus Ex. I'd liketo see more. I'd also like to see some air action, maybe similar to No One Lives Forever, but definitely more involved and a little more serious.

StormFront

11-30-2007, 12:43 PM

Woggy

11-30-2007, 02:41 PM

Jerusalem is a very good idea. I would like to see the fate of the middle east in a the near deus ex future ;).

Godot

11-30-2007, 06:30 PM

Jerusalem (no Illuminati style story is complete without involvement from Israel.)
/Godot slaps forehead!

Too right, eightbits. How could I forget Jerusalem?

However, I hope they move away from the usual Muslim vs non-Muslim conflict in the background. Most futurists and writers like Salman Rushdie predict many Muslim vs Muslim conflicts, rather like the 30 years war between Protestants and Catholics but on a much larger scale.

eightbits

11-30-2007, 06:42 PM

humbug

12-01-2007, 11:24 AM

I would quite like Liberty Island to feature in DX3.

StormFront

12-01-2007, 11:32 AM

I would quite like Liberty Island to feature in DX3.
Actually, yes: I guess it should, shouldn't it?

What decides a lot of this is going to be how they continue teh plot. How much of IW will be acknowledged and what ecning will they refer to.

Unlick the amalgamation of Deus Exs endings that IW went for in its backdrop, the endings IW are very disperate.

In fact, looking at the images of persecution, segregationg and hatred toward nanotech in the trailer, I would guess that they went for the extreme Knights Templar ending?

transhuman

12-01-2007, 04:20 PM

I hope they make it a prequel to the first Deus Ex. If they put it later, they should basically just forget that IW happened.

And Jerusalem would be a great location!

ThatDeadDude

12-03-2007, 03:17 AM

Jerusalem could be cool, but to be honest, I'm tired of the Nights Templar and all that. We need some new conspiracies! (Methinks it's time to write a book about the plots of the Space Gorgons quickly)

As to locations...

I'd like to revisit New York.
Somewhere in the far east is necessary (The Tokyo idea is cool, or maybe somewhere less travelled)
Here. (Maybe I'm a bit biased... South Africa's probably better for GTA :D )

gamer0004

12-03-2007, 07:09 AM

Definately NOT somewhere in Africa, or somewhere outside the city. In both Dx and DX:IW the more exotic places were way less fun and had a less good atmosphere (outside Vandenberg in DX and Caïro in DX:IW).
-I'd like to revisit New York.
-I'd like to revisit Hong Kong or visit Tokyo.
-Somewhere in Europe would be cool, but not in an 'ancient' city like Trier. London would be nice.
-Moskou or some other big city in Russia.

WhatsHisFace

12-10-2007, 06:34 PM

1.) It is a must to return to New York. Deus Ex 1 began and Deus Ex 2 ended on Liberty Island. It's only fitting to return there.

Hopefully, like Deus Ex 1, there is access to a city block as well.

2.) A high-tech lab/facility, could be located anywhere. Deus Ex is all about high-tech areas.

3.) Anywhere but Egypt.

Any other location should only be introduced because it's necessary for story progression. I don't think it's necessary to just put the character in a place for the sake of showing an exotic environment (a jungle-setting wouldn't make sense in Deus Ex gameplay-wise).

JoeGreensKiller

12-11-2007, 12:03 PM

Id love to see somewhere in Canada mabe added..Toronto..the C.N tower would be an interesting rescue, and Las Vegas would be a neat place. Mabe Quebec you could include something about the Duclair heritage, ya I know the whole Paris thing...just an idea :)

JoeGreensKiller

12-11-2007, 12:12 PM

Id also love to see another Ocean Lab, I guess ATLANTIS would be a tad far fetched lol;)

pKp

12-11-2007, 12:37 PM

A small hick village ?
Cuba ?
Jerusalem, definitely.
And New York, but this time in a really posh neighborhood :D

WhatsHisFace

12-11-2007, 12:42 PM

Id also love to see another Ocean Lab, I guess ATLANTIS would be a tad far fetched lol;)

Absolutely. There's something infinitely fascinating about Ocean Labs.

Much moreso than run-down countries like Jerusalem and Cuba. ;)

Freeker47

12-11-2007, 12:47 PM

I would definately like to go to:

1) New York (Liberty Island), just like in the first game! (--> must have for every Deus Ex game!)
2) Tokio, as someone already mentioned...
3) Some mysterious place like Area 51. This has to add up with the whole conspiracy theme in the game ;)

JoeGreensKiller

12-11-2007, 12:54 PM

Ya the Ocean Lab was my fav hands down, but I was thinking about and, there was AREA 51 and it is sort of shrowded in mystery, so im going to say ATLANTIS again, minus the far fetched.

midna1

12-15-2007, 09:06 AM

In invisible war you had post-collapse safehold cities built on the ruins of classic old ones like Cairo. Most of the world population had been killed off and the remaining people are left impoverished and politicized. And it's all connected by some sort of super bandwidth internet for disseminating ideas.

Just make the cities bigger and have some sort of transport system like the amazing magLev in Minority Report that goes up buildings.

I would do a partially submerged Arcology in New York with rising sea level.
Or a huge corrupt Moscow city with a MagLev connecting the districts. So you have districts for:
housing
commerce
entertainment
industry: arms, technology, food manufacture etc

eddiegorey

12-15-2007, 09:29 AM

I just hope that the game goes to distinctive real places. One of the coolest things about Deus Ex 1 were the New York levels that had such famous landmarks in them such as the Statue of Liberty and Castle Clinton. Even Hong Kong seemed real with the market and the apartment buildings. France was awesome as well.

Area 51 was kind of boring. That location has been in a million games.

In Deus Ex 2, the locations looked nothing like anything in the real world. The only exception was maybe the part in Germany. Seattle was really really bad. Cairo and Antarctica were stupid too.

Anywhere would be cool, as long as it seems like a real place. Washington DC would be amazing.

CarloGervasi

12-15-2007, 09:53 AM

Los Angeles, DC, Moscow.

joseph5891

12-15-2007, 11:31 AM

there was definitely a pattern to the settings in the deus ex games. you start off in secret base inside a major american city, then an emergency forces you into the main part of the city (most of the action taking place in the slums). then you hitch a ride to an "exotic" non-western location. then you wind up in a European city where you meet the head of the Illuminati and assault paramilitary troops holed up in a church. then pretty much the rest of the game plays out in secret labs and military bases.

and yeah, i'm poking fun at the cliche, but this motif seems to work. here are some ideas that i would like to see -

a southern city - like Dallas, or Atlanta. or hey - new Orleans. that would actually be perfect, with all of the paranoia arising after the shoddy government response to Katrina.

a major Indian city, like Bombay or Delhi. by the time that this game is set, India could very well be the 1st or 2nd largest economy in the world. this would also be an opportunity to play on the nuclear tensions between India and Pakistan. however, this would only work if DX3 were a prequel, because i think in DX1 there was a book stating that at some point India and Pakistan had actually exchanged nuclear warheads. so in case that doesn't work out, my backup choice is Moscow. you'd definitely have to deal with the Russian Mob, the FDR, and/or a political faction that wants to restore Communism. Maybe if you make certain in-game choices, they could send a Russian Intelligence Assasin after you.

A space station. maybe the ISS, maybe a base on the moon, but it would be so badass to have to assault a space station. i would really like the idea of being able to aquire a space suit and spacewalk out on the surface of the station. but the gravity would be so weak that if you jumped you would float away. and die.

WhatsHisFace

12-15-2007, 04:15 PM

A space station. maybe the ISS, maybe a base on the moon, but it would be so badass to have to assault a space station. i would really like the idea of being able to aquire a space suit and spacewalk out on the surface of the station. but the gravity would be so weak that if you jumped you would float away. and die.

:mad2: That would be Deus Ex 3's "The Library". :mad2:

minus0ne

12-15-2007, 07:31 PM

1. Amsterdam. I can't help it, but I'd love to see a future version of it. Perhaps part of the city is submerged (unlikely, but hey, sci-fi, right) or floating on the water like Venice. Masamune Shirow (of Ghost in the Shell, one of the main big influences on Deus Ex) often references Amsterdam/Netherlands in his manga's and animes (and so I've been curious to imagine what he thinks it'd be). I'd love to see some cyberpunk-canals, like Blade Runner meets Death in Venice :D . Also, being the (true) land of the free, not a bad place for a rebellion/underground, which would clash nicely with the whole Dutch banking scene (and of course, DX's secret societies).

2. Paris (re-, or rather pre-visit). And outskirts. Besides being a great excuse for having sensual-sounding French voice actresses, it has some of the most distinctive architecture and settings. Plus it's got that romantic-vibe, which they could totally turn on its head and make it grim and sober (much like DX, though before the whole martial law-thing)

3. CERN (Centre Européenne pour la Recherche Nucléaire). Besides being the world's largest particle physics lab, it's currently home to the most advanced scientific instrument known to man (the Large Hadron Collider), a 27-kilometre particle accelerator (which is in the process of discovering the elusive Higgs-Boson, or what makes matter matter). Imagine what sort of crazy **** they'll be doing there XX years from now.

4. Nagasaki and its bay island Dejima. Wayyyy better than Tokyo, which, besides having been done to death, actually would mean getting stuck in stereotypes about Japan. Besides, it's got major history.

5. St. Petersburg. I SPILL MY DRINK!. No seriously, cyberpunk St. Petersburg would be awesome.

6. Hong Kong. Yes please. I liked what I saw in DX, imagine what they could do now (even with a bigger hub).

7. A city in Pakistan and/or India (or both: a border region between the two) before (or during) the nuclear war between the two mentioned in DX.

8. A blimp. No really. But like a reaaaallly big one, that floats along the super currents way on the edge of the atmosphere. With who knows what for a purpose - communications, military. Or it could be like a 'last stop' on a space elevator (though going into space.. nah).

Though as long as they really make it well-thought out and detailed (which would increase replayability a lot), I trust them to pick some nice locations. Though I really hope they won't do Washington DC. In fact, other than NY no NA locations would be good.

phlebas

12-15-2007, 09:16 PM

1)Hong Kong, or perhaps some area in the Korean peninsula (I'm surprised no one mentioned this)? If some place in Japan is to be chosen, go for Osaka. They also have a canal (sort of) flowing through the center city. Not to mention the Osaka Castle is such a beautiful place. Tokyo had already been done to death by everyone and their mothers...

2)New York City! I'm a bit biased about the issue, but I'd love to see my city in the future again. New York segment in DX1 was my favorite of all the locations.

3)Some location in a rapidly developing nation of today, the kind of obscure-yet-significant city/locale your average gamer won't even be aware of (not that average gamers are aware of much :rolleyes: ). How about Dubai? Or one of the three capital cities of South Africa (the republic, not the region)? India, Brazil, and Russia are all viable and very interesting options.

4)Of course, how would a DX game be complete without a tour through a European city? I'm particularly fond of my idea for this one. A location based around large, national-level library in Europe! (The one with books;) ) Maybe even abandoned? Think about it. A library of books in the era of universal nanolevel biomodification and world-running AI systems. Some of the books should be readable (like in DX1). Even in the digitized age, it's in human nature to keep around old books. Leonardo's journals and hieratic scripts won't suddenly lose meaning and significance just because everyone's linked to some sort of universal network, despite what some people seem to think these days.

As for aesthetic styles, I'm confident in the ability of the development team, considering the tract record proven in DX1 and DX:IW. Even though DX:IW was something of a disappointment gameplay-wise, the locations were still beautiful and warranted some moments of walking around gawking at the atmosphere of Seattle apartments, coffee house, and Cairo arcology. The music and the architecture in each locale had clear vision in mind (I think) that I could identify with.

Andariel

12-16-2007, 12:51 PM

I havent read anything but as a die hard dx1 fan (i even enjoyed invis war, as long as i removed the deus ex from the title it was a nice futuristic arcade shooter, i should mention i buyed it like a month ago for 10 bucks and thought that i should had spent like 20, but then i buyed dx1 multiple times-oops-now the real piece)

Let me and all other players attend the libertys bombing, i wanna see it go boom (no matter the crying of the us politicians about video games, are you artists who do playable novels(dx1) or sissy whiney ea games?)

ThatDeadDude

12-17-2007, 09:35 AM

Or one of the three capital cities of South Africa (the republic, not the region)?

Haha... this is what I was alluding to in my post... :D

For interests sake, South Africa is only a country, the region is called Southern Africa :)

Tyrant Worm

12-18-2007, 10:53 AM

Tokyo
Amsterdam
Mecca, Riyadh, or Tehran
Sao Paulo or Rio de Janiero
Vladivostock or Oslo
Jerusalem
Pyongyang or Seoul
Washington D.C.
and of course . . . NYC

DOitlikeDEUSEX1

12-21-2007, 07:34 PM

Let me and all other players attend the libertys bombing, i wanna see it go boom (no matter the crying of the us politicians about video games, are you artists who do playable novels(dx1) or sissy whiney ea games?)

:eek: THAT WOULD BE AMAZING :eek:

DOitlikeDEUSEX1

12-21-2007, 07:37 PM

How about a peep show? More leg for more chits. Also, a "thriftiness" or "smart shopper" aug could save currency on this. :cool:

brambi

12-22-2007, 04:23 AM

Belgium
Paris
and some airplane that you need to infiltrate while it's in air.

In Belgium there would be a cool underbase silo, under the atomium.

http://www.kolesqueeste.nl/images/atomium2.jpg

wouldn't that be awesome ? :D

Jima B

12-22-2007, 09:32 AM

I would love to see Liberty Island make a third appearence... Would be quite good.
London would be another good one.
Dont know of any others I'd like to see, in all honesty.

Harakiribert

12-22-2007, 11:31 AM

Well, revisiting NY would be interesting, an old secluded japanese temple during cherry blossom time would give a great scenery, London has some potential,...

But wherever I have to go, it must make sense storywise. I mean, I don't want to travel across the world just for the sake of implementing all the continents in the game.

Newbie2356

12-22-2007, 01:47 PM

1: Australia... never before have they gone to australia in a dx game so it can be made however they want it to be, and the location in australia would be sydney but if you do do australia DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT have those stereotypical australian accents like they did in the hong kong club "Thanks for gettin' us in".

2: Definitely have to be new york city and the statue of liberty because we always went there in the first dx games and it would be cool to see the statue before its head was blown off or as a hologram in a dx game.

3: Area 51. As long as they dont give the main character amnesia after he goes there and i dont want it to be the last level either.

Those are my Top 3 :)

Well, revisiting NY would be interesting, an old secluded japanese temple during cherry blossom time would give a great scenery, London has some potential,...

But wherever I have to go, it must make sense storywise. I mean, I don't want to travel across the world just for the sake of implementing all the continents in the game.

The london part of the game could have some story in it by visiting Some secret areas underground. Or what about going to cardiff to see whats going on there maybe they could help get some powerful augmentations (eg: secret level 5 aug) that will help you get past some very tough obstacles.

Gunter Herman

12-22-2007, 02:45 PM

http://www.kolesqueeste.nl/images/atomium2.jpg
wouldn't that be awesome ? :D

Yes it would! Brussels/Atomium is really a brilliant idea - devs, please consider this! :thumbsup:

It would fit very well with DX style IMO.

gamer0004

12-25-2007, 02:33 AM

and some airplane that you need to infiltrate while it's in air.

No please NO. JC IS NOT James Bond.

brambi

12-25-2007, 07:04 AM

No please NO. JC IS NOT James Bond.

Haha, sorry, i never saw the James Bond movies so i didn't really knew that.

gamer0004

12-25-2007, 07:07 AM

Well it's the kind of thing that happens in movies like that. Deus Ex is moe sophisticated :P .

Harakiribert

12-25-2007, 09:47 AM

Well it's the kind of thing that happens in movies like that. Deus Ex is moe sophisticated :P .

Yeah, I can't imagine JC ordering his Fifty shaken, not stirred and I don't even want to imagine JC scoring with DX-Girl Anna Navarre. http://www.gamestar.de/community/gspinboard/images/smilies/huebscher.gif

JulianP

12-25-2007, 10:53 AM

I don't really care what settings they decide to use, but I'd sure like to revisit at least one location from the original DX. A little nostalgy for the oldschoolers. :)

Deus Ex 3

12-26-2007, 01:12 PM

Definitely India and why not Swizterland or Iceland.

piratecop

12-27-2007, 02:49 AM

Laos - an almost 3rd world country with crazy environments like old buddhist temples, caves, waterfalls, dust roads etc with nano pimps running the streets and seedy nightclubs

Las Vegas - just imagine it

on a giant plane - that dudes right - it would be crazy and i dont know... would be sorta cool crawling around the surface with your mad nano tech and throwing bad guys into turbines and even an anti grav close quarters fight in a falling plane - EPIC

Alex D

01-02-2008, 03:08 PM

I'd say Russia because of the Omar. I would like to see more of them they seem pretty cool. Or Japan like some kind of underground Biomod thing. Or even Hong Kong if this is a Prequel

v.dog

01-02-2008, 05:51 PM

I'm going to have to re-itterate most of what has already been said; Hong Kong, Rome, NYC, Siberia (both for 'abandoned' cold war projects and modern hackers) , CERN, London, and Liberty island (I want to be there when it falls).

Other places I can think of:
Zurich: Where Einstein spent a good portion of his life.

Puerto Rico: Largest (single) radio telescope in the world.

Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center: China's manned space program.

jordan_a

01-03-2008, 03:35 AM

Paris, consider Montmartre

http://images.google.fr/images?hl=fr&q=montmartre&btnG=Recherche+d%27images&gbv=2

professen

01-03-2008, 08:20 AM

FIRST! The areas have to be larger. In IW you never had the feel of actually being in a city. If you can't explore, then there would be no sense in adapting actual cities... You can't recorgnise anyhing :mad2:

1. New York. A Gettho and a harbour area would be nice. If DX3 is settled before DX the actual bombing of the Statue of Liberty would be great... recorgnizeable places are always good. But as I said before: The area has to be big enought. Liberty Island was a bad Joke in IW.

2. Berlin. We Germans are always good for conflicts ;). But PLEASE! We do not live in the 15th century. Why would Trier look in 2072 older as it looks now? NONSENSE! So maybe some investigations in the heavily garded Reichstag. Again - if the action takes please before DX, then u could run into Gunther :)

3. Wladiwostok (A Russian City at the Pacific Ocean) We need some new (or rather old ;)) enemies. So let's take the Russians... As the city is nearly at sea lvl there could be a great flood. The player would have to struggle because of the Russian army and looters. There would be great waterfights.

PS: Sorry for my bad english :|

demagogue

01-06-2008, 01:39 PM

Aside from reprising New York City, new places to go in DX3:

Tokyo, Tehran (or Istanbul), and London.

maddermadcat

01-06-2008, 03:57 PM

Moscow for sure -- there are all sorts of abandoned tunnels and chambers under it, always with old Soviet experiments and such. You never know what might still be hiding down there. :]

Asia again, but not Hong Kong or Tokyo. Someplace new. Singapore comes to mind first, with the beneficial dictatorship... But I'm not sure about it. =P

That's all that I can think of for now, really.

Unstoppable

01-06-2008, 05:25 PM

I want to go to Austrailia and maybe Alaska.

Mengioto

01-08-2008, 01:23 AM

I think it would be cool to go to 'keulen' in germany (Köln) and into the chocolat museum ^^

and maybe the Colosseum in Rome or Tunis or something?

and Atlantis, I saw someone mention it on the first page, and I agree, that would be cool. But on the otherhand.. Maybe that's to much as a prequel.. Seeing as in the first one he discovers everything about everything (hope you know what I mean ^^)

--Mengioto

GundamXXX

01-08-2008, 04:26 AM

Well I recon another Asian scene, preferably Japan (Tokyo, Kyoto w/e)

Maybe Amsterdam/Brussels(Seeing as its the political capitol of Europa, might be intresting to see what happend there)

As for a thing like Area 51 I think maybe you can mix it with Asia, in China theres a grave that has a massive conspiricy theory about it (the one with the terracota army)... maybe a base for an agency?

Wouldnt mind Australia either.
The Worlds Leading AI under Heir's Rock in the form of an aboriginal on the didge? Sounds fun to me

gamer0004

01-08-2008, 05:00 AM

The Hague would be cool, too. They refer to it in DX (so it definately still exsists then :P), and there are some internation courts. So that would definately a place MJ-12 would want to control.

Mengioto

01-08-2008, 05:31 AM

Yeah or Enschede^^ so that when you finished the map, you would be able to get flown out by chopper, it would explode! altho that would be a bit harsh :p

gamer0004

01-08-2008, 11:26 AM

Yeah or Enschede^^ so that when you finished the map, you would be able to get flown out by chopper, it would explode! altho that would be a bit harsh :p

Lol. Enschede isn't the only city which's had a major fire-work disaster :P I believe there was one in Sydney, too.

GundamXXX

01-08-2008, 12:04 PM

Pfff Enschede... Try China ;p

Id love to do The Hague, its my home town! xD
Also Melbourne/Sydney because its Australia is my home away from home :P

Iki

01-09-2008, 04:24 AM

1. Tokyo. Might have something to do with the fact that I just got the Blade Runner boxset, but a slightly more futuristic Tokyo with bright neon and a hint of urban decay.

B. Somewhere more Utopian. For some reason I feel there should be contrasting locations. I doubt there's anything that particularly achieves that look yet. Something like the Taris upper-world in the first Knights of the Old Republic game.

Third. Tying in with the above, slums of some description. For some reason New York springs to mind, but I'm sure there are places better suited. Ruined buildings, boarded up warehouses... maybe somewhere just after a riot, I don't know.

Hell, as long as they keep non-linearity in there I don't mind. :) Although they could make it a bit more realistic... there's got to be some drawback to going through the sewers; enemies smelling you as you approach? :P

Zegano

01-09-2008, 08:43 PM

London would be pretty awesome. Australia, maybe, although I don't think it would be very Deus Ex-y. Liberty Island is a MUST, and DC would be fitting.

Japan would make a great futuristic city, and its part of the Trilateral Commission, but its also a kind of obvious move. I think that it should have changed in the future, like gone through a depression or something, just as a surprise to those of us who'll see it and say "oh yeah, like I didn't see them cashing in on that one."

So maybe they should do some surprising places that have don't fit our expectations, like a shabby Tokyo or a super high tech Sydney (not that I expect Sydney to be crappy in the future). Just so long as it doesn't mess with whats already been lain down as back story in DX1.

DXJohnny1981

01-09-2008, 11:45 PM

Well we need the typical DX settings such as urban areas, high tech labs and secret military bases. I want NYC in DX3 becaus it just seems like a big part of the DX world and it fits perfectly , other than that like someone else mentioned a space station would be cool but it would be futuristic with artificial gravity and large rooms and halls. I will also mention what I don't want as settings; jungle, forest, or tropical paradise, settings that don't fit the DX atmosphere.

gamer0004

01-10-2008, 04:57 AM

A lot of options are nice, but I think it is very important that there are parts in the game where you're not fighting, like Hell's Kitchen at the beginning (not counting the fight with the NSF). A moment of "rest", but without it getting boring (there were still a lot of things to do, watch or join the big fight, helping the old men with the thugs etc.).

ThatDeadDude

01-10-2008, 10:36 AM

Yeah, it's the sequences without much (if any) combat that create a lot of the DX atmosphere. I realised the other day that I've gotten so sick of games that are just "Run here, shoot these guys. Run there, shoot those guys," even if they have some sort of plot exposition in between. Being able to explore a society and ignore the whole combat thing for a while is a nice distraction.
Like a very cheap type of holiday abroad :D

hydro0083

01-11-2008, 07:11 PM

Return to NYC: Hell's Kitchen was awesome. It would be great to go back. Also, if they're really setting this game in 2027, they could feature the bombing of Liberty Island as part of the plot. Maybe you could also meet some of the NYC characters from DX1 when they were younger.

Jerusalem: A fascinating, culturally-diverse holy city featuring Jews, Arabs and Christians; the DX games have always featured a fair amount of cultural diversity, so this would fit in brilliantly with DX3. Jerusalem also features a lot of important historic sites, like the Wailing Wall, the Church of the Sepulcher, and the Dome of the Rock, those would be fun to visit in-game. And some conspiracy theorists have connected the city to tbe Illuminati, so of course it would fit in well with DX3's story.

ThatDeadDude

01-12-2008, 05:59 AM

Jerusalem: A fascinating, culturally-diverse holy city featuring Jews, Arabs and Christians; the DX games have always featured a fair amount of cultural diversity, so this would fit in brilliantly with DX3. Jerusalem also features a lot of important historic sites, like the Wailing Wall, the Church of the Sepulcher, and the Dome of the Rock, those would be fun to visit in-game. And some conspiracy theorists have connected the city to tbe Illuminati, so of course it would fit in well with DX3's story.

Only problem is it's a big temptation for the Devs to rehash the Da Vinci code.

van_HellSing

01-12-2008, 06:09 AM

How about Lagos? From the DX continuity bible:

Over the last fifty years, many Hong Kong expatriates have moved to Africa, resulting in the establishment of thriving Afro-Asian communities. (Afro-Asian chic is spreading rapidly through the worlds of pop culture and fashion). Though it will never displace Hong Kong, the New Hong Kong section of Lagos, Nigeria, is one of the continent's most active, successful and chaotic cities -- not unlike Casablanca during World War 2.

B0b_P@ge

01-12-2008, 08:39 AM

(1) One location from Europe
(2) One location from East Asia
(3) One location taking place in Outer Space/Orbit

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Frankly, I don't care which countries or cities, just as long as the above parameters are met. :D

recon

01-14-2008, 11:26 PM

well those who suggested Pakistan & india level are actually right. C'mon at this this time Pakistan is the only country who is making headline all over the group. Even in the movie Charlie Wilson's war Pakistan was part of a conspiracy in defeating the red army......

Asia without the South East Asia is nothing. The developers can add a backstory about OMAR who actually originated from this region because of a nuclear exchange from both India & Pakistan. The survivor had no other option but to embress biomod in order to survive!!!. Another twist of the story could be that the illuminati or Templers were actually responsible for the two country to attack each other and destroy in the process for new world order etc.

Historical significant can also be given as much of Indus Civilization [one of the oldest civilization of the world] is situated in the in this region. Archelogical dig suggest that at one point people whole over the world use to come to this place for higher education.

check this in wikipedia & infowar.com very interresting....

GundamXXX

01-15-2008, 08:17 AM

I think Russia would be nice too
And Antartica only done properly this time :D

And maybe a diffrent city in USA

Or Montreal and you get to hear the conspiricies of Eidos :nut:

gamer0004

01-16-2008, 12:20 AM

AaronJ

01-16-2008, 12:11 PM

1) Return to Hell's Kitchen
2) South Africa
3) Vegas

G.A.Pster

01-27-2008, 03:37 PM

I’d like to see a flooded Netherlands that’s turned into some sort of Venice like country do to sea level rises.

I’d like to go to Africa where that cargo space ship crashed (I read it in one of the news papers in Deus Ex)

Russia/Eastern Europe

Japan of course.

I’d like some more info on zyme and some quests revolving around it.

B0b_P@ge

02-28-2008, 03:28 PM

Gary_Savage

02-28-2008, 05:21 PM

I would actually like to see Dubai (United Arab emirates, in the Middle East) in the game. With so many multi-national companies locating their Middle East headquarters in Dubai, it might actually fit as a place to gather intelligence about a large business fronted by an MJ12-like organization.

I would also like to see one mission in a third world country that has been badly by global warming, and is always trying to repair dikes to keep the country from getting flooded. A south East Asian country might do the job. [I am thinking about Bangladesh, as I have heard talk that global warming might require people to leave the small country; and with jungle warfare going on between Marxists and the Bangladesh army going on, it might fit in in a conspiracy.]

I cannot think of any other place, at the moment, but I would like a mission in which I can infiltrate an organization in the guise of an employee: a bit like the first Versalife mission in DX1, where someone thought you were a contractor. Here I would like to see my character actually having a position in the organization, and gathering intelligence from within; kind of like when JC was working for UNATCO, and gathering information like the UNATCO's excessive use of force, the existence of a level beyond the doctor's office, the outside manipulation of UNATCO (Walton Simons), though he did not realize then that that would further the story. [I do not know if DX:IW did this, but I never found a machine that can play it.]

gamer0004

02-29-2008, 04:57 AM

I’d like to see a flooded Netherlands that’s turned into some sort of Venice like country do to sea level rises.

We'll come up with solutions to that ;) BTW: there are plans to have floating houses on the rivers. That's be awesome.

pauldenton

02-29-2008, 09:30 AM

1. London and the secret underground military tunnels and bunkers built during the second world war and for recognition the London underground and a destroyed St Pauls/big ben.

2. China and the underground tomb/city complete with magnesium rivers, built for the emperor and his terracota army.

NOT space, space is not Deus ex.

Blade_hunter

02-29-2008, 10:33 AM

Paris: I loved the levels in france and it's the way to use some transports and get a level in the Eiffel tower, some museums and more!
Area 51: This location is one important element of DX and the birthplace of some aliens, nano augmented agents, and some prototype technologies
The moon !: In the future the humans maybe build a moon base this is an oportunity to add more mysterious and Sci-Fi thing and elements for the story too

I like the others places posed before they give some exotism and enhance the story line

The game can use some Huge places and these places are parts of a city or Entire city. I hope Huge places can be used in the game

lightbringerrr

02-29-2008, 11:08 AM

South America: Aztec and Mayan Ruins.

Egypt: Giza Plateau.

India: Taj Mahal.

San Francisco, Santa Cruz, or even LA: I'd like to see some SUN in this game for once.

Venice or Rome

Prauge or Budapest, hell even Romania. Anywhere in Eastern Europe.

And screw Area 51, I want my final showdown to take place at S-4!!!

BOOYA!

-=fox=-

02-29-2008, 11:26 AM

I'd hate it if it became a sight-seeing tour... and I'd also hate it if there would be sunny levels. Eastern Europe is fine though.

Angel/0A

02-29-2008, 11:29 AM

I'd also hate it if there would be sunny levels.

QFT, how are you supposed to be stealthy in broad daylight? :P

Gary_Savage

02-29-2008, 05:10 PM

QFT, how are you supposed to be stealthy in broad daylight? :P

Actually, I like the idea of a daylight stealth mission. One way to achieve stealth might be to blend in with the crowds, like in Assassin's Creed (I have only heard about the concept, so don't kill me if that did not achieve its desired effect).

If the AI is set to detect movement (like I hear the human mind/eye is) then another way to achieve stealth in daylight (over long distances) would be to stop moving when the guards are looking in your direction, and then moving when they look elsewhere. I would very much like that because I think it will give a sense of stalking a quarry; an idea I find very exciting. I would like a mission in which you might use this technique to infiltrate a facility by day, so as to avoid its array of infra-red/nightvision sensors by night. Just a suggestion.

Azrepheal

02-29-2008, 05:16 PM

London - Because I live here :p And cos itd be cool to have one of the landmarks in a level (Houses of Parliament, St Pauls, Buckingham Palace etc)

Vienna - Beautiful European city

Ok - so its apparent underwater bases are loved... and its been suggested (although not to everyones joy) that theres a level in space... why not combine the two? A FRIGGIN SPACE STATION THATS CRASHED INTO THE OCEAN! You gotta admit, thats badass. If it contains information or an item, that clears up any plot for taking a detour to it, plus a crashed space station gives an excuse to have it half flooded and malfunctioning a la the underwater level in DX1.

Eidos - I expect my letter of employment in the mail any day now XP

Gary_Savage

02-29-2008, 05:24 PM

Ok - so its apparent underwater bases are loved... and its been suggested (although not to everyones joy) that theres a level in space... why not combine the two? A FRIGGIN SPACE STATION THATS CRASHED INTO THE OCEAN! You gotta admit, thats badass. If it contains information or an item, that clears up any plot for taking a detour to it, plus a crashed space station gives an excuse to have it half flooded and malfunctioning a la the underwater level in DX1.

Eidos - I expect my letter of employment in the mail any day now XP

I actually like this idea; never thought I would have. I am not sure if you implied this, as well, but I think it would be great if the agency/company/group who space station had crashed in water had actually setup a base adjacent to the crash site, and had removed the water from some of the submerged compartments. These compartments could have working labs and offices. That way the station can feel like the Ocean-labs level, with some of the places flooded, like in the DX1 level after that.

Azrepheal

02-29-2008, 05:32 PM

I actually like this idea; never thought I would have. I am not sure if you implied this, as well, but I think it would be great if the agency/company/group who space station had crashed in water had actually setup a base adjacent to the crash site, and had removed the water from some of the submerged compartments. These compartments could have working labs and offices. That way the station can feel like the Ocean-labs level, with some of the places flooded, like in the DX1 level after that.

Hadn't thought of that, but certainly puts an interesting spin on things! If there was something inside that was important to your character it would be a good level for multiple paths (go through the 'cleared' offices, but you'd have to fight the agency members working there, or go through the still flooded sections - no soldiers, but more 'natural' dangers) If you brought the factors of the agents trying to retrieve what you are after - plus the damage from re-entry and water pressure - would make a for a sweet 'race-against-time' level (get what you need before the structure collapses / floods completely).

Gary_Savage

02-29-2008, 05:43 PM

Hadn't thought of that, but certainly puts an interesting spin on things! If there was something inside that was important to your character it would be a good level for multiple paths (go through the 'cleared' offices, but you'd have to fight the agency members working there, or go through the still flooded sections - no soldiers, but more 'natural' dangers) If you brought the factors of the agents trying to retrieve what you are after - plus the damage from re-entry and water pressure - would make a for a sweet 'race-against-time' level (get what you need before the structure collapses / floods completely).

I'm probably getting carried away, here, but reading your words "'natural' dangers," I was thinking that maybe the player character's hitting/scraping against the walls and floors in the underwater compartments can result in the water getting murky, with silt. Do this too much, and the water will get so murky that even your flashlight will not let you see any clearer. I've read that wreak divers have to contend with something like this all the time (Book: Shadow Divers, by Robert Kurson). If the water is too murky, and you cannot see, then you risk running out of oxygen before you find an exit, or the supports/structure starts collapsing in on you (your "race-against-time").

If this system sounds too complicated, then maybe some of the compartments can always be murky, some murkier than others, so players can only navigate compartments based on their swimming skills. The frenzy for finding an exit in a compartment that practically has you running/swimming blind might really feel like a race against time.

pauldenton

02-29-2008, 06:30 PM

lightbringerrr

02-29-2008, 09:03 PM

Actually, I like the idea of a daylight stealth mission. One way to achieve stealth might be to blend in with the crowds, like in Assassin's Creed (I have only heard about the concept, so don't kill me if that did not achieve its desired effect).

If the AI is set to detect movement (like I hear the human mind/eye is) then another way to achieve stealth in daylight (over long distances) would be to stop moving when the guards are looking in your direction, and then moving when they look elsewhere. I would very much like that because I think it will give a sense of stalking a quarry; an idea I find very exciting. I would like a mission in which you might use this technique to infiltrate a facility by day, so as to avoid its array of infra-red/nightvision sensors by night. Just a suggestion.

Absolutely! Why do we always gotta' be skulking around in the shadows??? I thought the levels in the Arcology, with the light of dusk outside were cool. I want to explore that!
I swear, it's like ever since The Matrix, everything has to be gray or black in this particular realm of gaming. I'm sick of it.

gamer0004

03-01-2008, 03:03 AM

I actually like this idea; never thought I would have. I am not sure if you implied this, as well, but I think it would be great if the agency/company/group who space station had crashed in water had actually setup a base adjacent to the crash site, and had removed the water from some of the submerged compartments. These compartments could have working labs and offices. That way the station can feel like the Ocean-labs level, with some of the places flooded, like in the DX1 level after that.

It's not a very original idea, but cool anyway.
If it's not going to be a "race against time"kind of thing.
That was what I really liked about DX: you could take your time. And I don't want that to be lost in DX3.

About all the sunny maps and Aztecs-things: you're at the wrong forums. You're looking for Uncharted: Drake's Fortune forums or Thief 4 forums... Not DX3. DX was all about dark and gritty environments, about modern and even futuristic machinery.

~[ß]Síke~

03-01-2008, 05:37 AM

Helsinki, Finland would kick ass :D

lightbringerrr

03-01-2008, 06:43 AM

It's not a very original idea, but cool anyway.
If it's not going to be a "race against time"kind of thing.
That was what I really liked about DX: you could take your time. And I don't want that to be lost in DX3.

About all the sunny maps and Aztecs-things: you're at the wrong forums. You're looking for Uncharted: Drake's Fortune forums or Thief 4 forums... Not DX3. DX was all about dark and gritty environments, about modern and even futuristic machinery.

Well, since it will be the developers deciding these things and not you, I believe I'll NOT put DX3 in some convienent same old, same old box, and let the chips fall where they may.

mouse

03-01-2008, 07:06 AM

hi guys (and gals?), I really like most of your ideas and agree.
Nevertheless the most important aspect in chosing a location is to do it consistent with the story line. A sightseeing tour through some spectacular locations around the globe s contraproductive IMO unless the player wants to pay tribute to Phileas Fogg (great story of Jule Verne, though).

Deus Ex should take place in urban settings with dense population, office towers, stores/malls etc. with multicultural streetlife, restaurants, night-clubs etc...

Joseph Manderley's Corpse

03-01-2008, 07:07 AM

Heheh.

Yeah, I agree. No need for modern/futuristic Judaeo-Christian/Islamic conflict. That would actually hurt the game and (dare I say) the purity of the Deus Ex story. Deus Ex really doesn't need it and can't really benefit from it.

I think the story should draw on Islamic terrorism. Perhaps the baseline of the story could be made from some obscure conspiracy found in that ongoing problem.

-=fox=-

03-01-2008, 07:32 AM

mouse

03-01-2008, 08:11 AM

Well, it could... but nobody will touch this hot potatoe anytime soon and I wouldn't do that myself if I were a dev. It would be about religion and there are way too many real fundamentalists envolved, you know... Remember what happened when this danish newspaper printed the Mohammd-caricatures? Christian fundamentalists aren't better at all and serious messing with the Bush-administration or any of the global elite suckers won't be that harmless too. I am not a coward and I say what I believe in but as developer I wouldn't risk all that for a game.

additionally I don't want DX3 to be the game which is known by the majority of people as 'the game which insulted our beliefs, stirred anger etc.'. I jsut want to have a great game with a sophisticated and elaborated backgrond story :cool:

gamer0004

03-01-2008, 09:59 AM

Well, since it will be the developers deciding these things and not you, I believe I'll NOT put DX3 in some convienent same old, same old box, and let the chips fall where they may.

Don't get me wrong: I do not want a remake of DX1. I just want a new DX. And what DX was (in my opinion) dark feeling, lots of choices, great storyline, modern machinery but not too sci-fi.
And I want that to be kept.

Gary_Savage

03-01-2008, 11:41 AM

additionally I don't want DX3 to be the game which is known by the majority of people as 'the game which insulted our beliefs, stirred anger etc.'. I jsut want to have a great game with a sophisticated and elaborated backgrond story :cool:

I agree with that. I don't want anything in the game about any religious group, historical, or fictional.

Joseph Manderley's Corpse

03-01-2008, 01:13 PM

Well, it could... but nobody will touch this hot potatoe anytime soon and I wouldn't do that myself if I were a dev. It would be about religion and there are way too many real fundamentalists envolved, you know... Remember what happened when this danish newspaper printed the Mohammd-caricatures? Christian fundamentalists aren't better at all and serious messing with the Bush-administration or any of the global elite suckers won't be that harmless too. I am not a coward and I say what I believe in but as developer I wouldn't risk all that for a game.

It would be fun traveling the world and breaking up muslim terrorist groups in a virtual world would be a blast.

Hell, we had games in the late 80's early 90's that were all about nuking the USSR into oblivion.

Gary_Savage

03-01-2008, 03:48 PM

It would be fun traveling the world and breaking up muslim terrorist groups in a virtual world would be a blast.

Hell, we had games in the late 80's early 90's that were all about nuking the USSR into oblivion.

Unfortunately, if the developers decide to do that then they will have to delve very deeply into the teachings of Islam, so as not to offend the non-terrorist majority of Muslims.

At the time when games were made about fighting Soviet forces the US and the USSR were at a stand-off (or something like that).

In the present day world, however, you have the US being allied with countries that have certain terrorist elements. A storyline deep enough to satisfy the DX1 fans (I have not played DX:IW) will require examining the faith and motivations of these terrorists (through in-game books, data cubes, etc.) very deeply; much too deeply than a game can afford, unless you want the game to be an education in Islam, which I am not sure is what most people are looking for in a game. If the game tries to show what the terrorists believe, then that will leave the majority of the practitioners of Islam offended, while if the game portrays a truer picture of Islam, then it will be too difficult to show what motivates the terrorists. In any case, I doubt that what the game can show can be extensive enough, thus leaving us with a rather hollow game, with an unpolished storyline, and a half-baked picture of any religion that the game tries to bring up. I am sure the same problems will arise if the game tries to shows terrorists that say they follow any other faith. So, I would suggest leaving any terrorist group that says it follows any existing religion out of the game.

lightbringerrr

03-01-2008, 06:52 PM

I think the story should draw on Islamic terrorism. Perhaps the baseline of the story could be made from some obscure conspiracy found in that ongoing problem.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no( taking a breath ), no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and did I mention GOD NO to that proposal!
Factions, groups, ideologies, and creeds are secondary elements to the Deus Ex Universe. The focal point has been, and always should be on The Human Condition.
I DO NOT want some Islamo-Bashing, futuristic version of 'Red Dawn'. The movie chomps enough chota as it is, I DON'T want to play it, and ESPECIALLY not if it comes with DX tag.

NO GOOD. Moving on; NEXT!!!

pauldenton

03-01-2008, 07:28 PM

i dont want religion in the game as they did that with invisible war and it sucked.

Illuminati

03-02-2008, 03:36 AM

Looking at the storyline and the places it takes place there should be a connection to these like there was in both DX games.

There is a reason why both games start in the US. Looking at real conspiracy theories the US was "the promised land" for the Illuminati when it was first founded. Many old Illuminati (coming from Europe) ended up in the US as it was a promise of a new world that they could shape and infiltrate on every different level. Their involvement in the founding of the US and now the government of the country, combined with their founding of corporations and businesses to control the financial sector as well as the government makes them a pwerfull faction.
U see in both games a corporization of the world, stemming from the US, which is why starting the game in a major US city works with the storyline.

The next city in DX1 was Hong Kong. This, I think, symbolizes the creation of new technology combined with an ethic of socialistic ideas. As Tracer Tong wants to make government comprehensible to the individual.

This same socialist ethic is revisited in Cairo in DX2. Where u are faced with the results of corporization and how it effects societys. Showing u how money and power is distributed more and more unequally, as the world is built to resemble a business more than a social convention.

Both story's visit old European city's, to connect to the roots of the Illuminati. Showing the gamer how, why and where old alliances where forged. Giving more and more depth to the story.

Having said all this, I don't really care where the makers take us. As long as it speaks to the mind that it connects to the storyline. What made the game so great to me (mainly DX1) is that it forced me to think about my own values and beliefs. The way to connect to these values was done well by using meaningfull sites, especially Hong Kong.
I like the idea of Jerusalem very much as it reflects the very founding of the Templar.

Illuminati

03-02-2008, 03:46 AM

i dont want religion in the game as they did that with invisible war and it sucked.

I find it hard to see why so many people reject religion in the game..
How can u want a game about Illuminati and conspiracys dating back a thousand years ago but leave religion out of it!

Religion has played a huge part of the world's history, especially in the founding of secret societies. Religion is a powerfull thing.. Look at the world today..

Not to mention how the Vatican has affected Europe and how Islamic religion has shaped many many countries.

Im absolutely not for a Western Judea-Christian VS Eastern Islamic belief struggle, as I think it has nothing to do with the Illuminati. I do like the idea of religion as a whole into the story. Not a religion A vs Religion B thing as I think is pointless.

P.S. I don't think the religeous storyline in DX2 was what made the game a bit disappointing. They could use Religion very well if they did it right and looked at historical facts more.

mouse

03-02-2008, 03:51 AM

an absolute must is a 'secret' research facility of some kind... be it on the moon, nevada or in antarctica...

I like the part of the story when the main character traced his origins to the place where he was devised and made. So labs are the places, where mysteries are revealed, the story could make a turn, etc...

Moreover such science labs offer a nice loot of weapons, mods and whatnot :)

mouse

03-02-2008, 04:01 AM

I find it hard to see why so many people reject religion in the game..
How can u want a game about Illuminati and conspiracys dating back a thousand years ago but leave religion out of it!

Religion has played a huge part of the world's history, especially in the founding of secret societies. Religion is a powerfull thing.. Look at the world today..

Not to mention how the Vatican has affected Europe and how Islamic religion has shaped many many countries.

Im absolutely not for a Western Judea-Christian VS Eastern Islamic belief struggle, as I think it has nothing to do with the Illuminati. I do like the idea of religion as a whole into the story. Not a religion A vs Religion B thing as I think is pointless.

P.S. I don't think the religeous storyline in DX2 was what made the game a bit disappointing. They could use Religion very well if they did it right and looked at historical facts more.

agreed.... I think that DX2 was benefitting from the conceot of the order church. The idea to channelize the beliefs and spiritual wants of people to increase your own power is something which has happened and happens throughout history.

What I dont want is that there's some featherbrained 'war on terror attitude' with to close resamblance on recent problems...

The devs should extrapolate the current conflicts into a nearby future (as global companies vs. local workers or religious/authoritarian vs. anarchism )

-=fox=-

03-02-2008, 04:03 AM

Illuminati

03-02-2008, 04:54 AM

That's not what I meant. Using some historic facts in order to support a story about secret societies is a great idea. But that's basically because that doesn't bother most of the followers of the world religions thus the risk of provoking an unwanted extreme reaction is very low. Of course that doesn't mean that it would be ok to bash an minority or anything like that but that's not what Deus Ex ever did anyway.

Well, it could... but nobody will touch this hot potatoe anytime soon and I wouldn't do that myself if I were a dev. It would be about religion and there are way too many real fundamentalists envolved, you know... Remember what happened when this danish newspaper printed the Mohammd-caricatures? Christian fundamentalists aren't better at all and serious messing with the Bush-administration or any of the global elite suckers won't be that harmless too. I am not a coward and I say what I believe in but as developer I wouldn't risk all that for a game.

My post wasnt really meant for you :) In fact i think u and me are in agreement. I don't want the story to draw on any specific religion or clash of religion's except to deepen an illuminati-plotline.

B0b_P@ge

03-02-2008, 09:42 AM

Joseph Manderley's Corpse

03-02-2008, 02:27 PM

Unfortunately, if the developers decide to do that then they will have to delve very deeply into the teachings of Islam, so as not to offend the non-terrorist majority of Muslims.

Muslims are too sensitive. They get offended by cartoons.

Seems they spend their lives looking for things to be offended by. Personally, I'm sick of hearing about it.

minus0ne

03-02-2008, 03:25 PM

Muslims are too sensitive. They get offended by cartoons.

Seems they spend their lives looking for things to be offended by. Personally, I'm sick of hearing about it.
Wow. Did you know the exact same holds true for Christians?

With the exception that Christians are way more annoying and tend to get things (such as games) banned.

Fook all religions equally, I say. A certain Emile Zola saying springs to mind; "Civilization will not attain perfection until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest".

Joseph Manderley's Corpse

03-02-2008, 03:43 PM

Wow. Did you know the exact same holds true for Christians?

With the exception that Christians are way more annoying and tend to get things (such as games) banned.

Fook all religions equally, I say. A certain Emile Zola saying springs to mind; "Civilization will not attain perfection until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest".

Yeah I suppose they can all be equally bad, but in the present times, it aint Christians who are blowing themselves up at weddings and cafe's, or beheading journalists on video and posting it on the internet.

Back to the topic though, Israel, India, Pakistan, and maybe Greece would be great locations, with an HQ in NYC.

lightbringerrr

03-02-2008, 04:17 PM

How I would love to respond to the both of you, but it would take an essay, and this isn't the place.

Joseph Manderley's Corpse

03-02-2008, 05:22 PM

How I would love to respond to the both of you, but it would take an essay, and this isn't the place.

Well, I guess that means your desire to respond isn't all that great. Besides, I wouldn't bother reading an essay on an internet forum anyway. Too long.

Regardless, I think it would sell well.

Gary_Savage

03-02-2008, 06:24 PM

Muslims are too sensitive. They get offended by cartoons.

Seems they spend their lives looking for things to be offended by. Personally, I'm sick of hearing about it.

Let's face it, some people are more sensitive about certain issues, than others. In South Asia people are sensitive about religion. I had a friend who would get offended by anyone singing "Jingle bells, Batman smells, Robin laid an egg..." and other such stuff that was on the media, saying that it was an offence to Christianity. But that does not make followers of any one religion too sensitive. It's not like my friend was watching TV, just looking for something to get offended by.

Yeah I suppose they can all be equally bad, but in the present times, it aint Christians who are blowing themselves up at weddings and cafe's, or beheading journalists on video and posting it on the internet.

Come on, any news organization focuses more on some places, than others, perhaps giving the impression that other places are calmer. On top of that, it's usually bad elements who make it to the news. So while most Muslims did not take part in any violence about the said cartoons, and a few (compared to the world's Muslim population) protested (perhaps because Islam forbids the depiction of Prophet Muhammad in pictures, or perhaps for other reasons which I will not know, since I have not seen the cartoons), it's the violence that made news.

As for suicide bombing, ETA has done them, the IRA has done them, the Tamil Tigers have done them (http://www.zurich.com/main/productsandsolutions/industryinsight/2005/april2005/industryinsight20050413_004.htm), so I don't think that such tactics are the chosen acts of killers claiming to profess one faith only. So I wouldn't judge the people of a particular faith by the skewed beliefs of a few fanatics. In fact, there are groups who have managed to kill and maim thousands of people, despite having some of their attempts thwarted. You might remember the 20th March, 1995, the Aum Shinrikyo perpetrated a Sarin Gas attack in Japan. More than 5000 people were hurt that day, and the perpetrators here were not Muslim, either. Now, if people keep holding grudges against entire groups for the actions of a few, then Muslims and Jews will always hold grudges against Christians over the Crusades, and vice versa. I remember seeing a rabbi, on CNN, and he was talking about it like it only happened yesterday. I'm quite sure that that sort of thinking will not bring about anything positive.

Fook all religions equally, I say. A certain Emile Zola saying springs to mind; "Civilization will not attain perfection until the last stone from the last church falls on the last priest".

Well, let's not be so harsh on any religion.

Regardless, I think it would sell well.

Maybe, or maybe not, but I would not pay for a game that does injustice (perhaps even unintentionally) to any religion.

Back to the topic though, Israel, India, Pakistan, and maybe Greece would be great locations, with an HQ in NYC.

Come to think of it, I like the idea of Greece. Maybe a mission to interpret the symbolism behind the inscriptions on something the player character picked up on a recon mission, or does that sound too much like a military sim?

Speaking of which, does anyone remember the game Operation Flashpoint? I really liked some elements in that game, and would like to see them in DX 3. I liked that you could stand, or crouch, or get prone. I liked 2 stand alone missions that took place at night:
1) you have to use nightvision to get past guards and dogs to mine/bomb a passing supply truck.
2) you have to laser designate a bridge for destruction.

I know that the second kind of mission might be far fetched for a DX game, but the first kind felt really gritty, and I think it did a better job of using open terrain than what DX1 did in the Tiffany (Savage's daughter) rescue mission. Any desert/semi arid environment (Nevada springs to mind) would be great if DX3 will have such a sneak, bomb, and run mission.

Joe_Blow

03-05-2008, 11:20 PM

Yeah I suppose they can all be equally bad, but in the present times, it aint Christians who are blowing themselves up at weddings and cafe's, or beheading journalists on video and posting it on the internet.

Back to the topic though, Israel, India, Pakistan, and maybe Greece would be great locations, with an HQ in NYC.

Those people who have been beheaded, as sad and cruel as it is, knew the danger they were taking when they went over to the middle east. But if you think "Christians" are so perfect, I think you didn't pay attenion in history classes stoner, "Christians" were the ones who burned thousands of people at the stake because they thought they were witches or wizards. Wasn't it the "Christians" who went to the middle east during the crusade and try to kill and convert all of the Muslims. And wasn't it the "Christians" who went and bombed the Abortion Centers because killing a fetus is against "their" religion and beliefs, but not against the beliefs of other. But light bringer (spelled it wrong up top) had it right.

Peace yall

Xcom

03-06-2008, 12:28 AM

How did this turn into religious flamefest? :scratch:

Seriously, guys, please think before you post... I don't want to close this thread. If you want to debate religion, this isn't the place.

pauldenton

03-06-2008, 04:19 AM

Indeed.

Joseph Manderley's Corpse

03-06-2008, 04:32 AM

Those people who have been beheaded, as sad and cruel as it is, knew the danger they were taking when they went over to the middle east. But if you think "Christians" are so perfect, I think you didn't pay attenion in history classes stoner, "Christians" were the ones who burned thousands of people at the stake because they thought they were witches or wizards. Wasn't it the "Christians" who went to the middle east during the crusade and try to kill and convert all of the Muslims. And wasn't it the "Christians" who went and bombed the Abortion Centers because killing a fetus is against "their" religion and beliefs, but not against the beliefs of other. But light bringer (spelled it wrong up top) had it right.

Peace yall

lol....ancient history, sport. this is 2008. And BTW, I'm not "religious"....just making an observation.

OK...I'm done.:nut:

lightbringerrr

03-06-2008, 05:31 AM

Indeed.

The motion is seconded and passed with a majority vote.

Joe_Blow

03-06-2008, 05:58 AM

Im was cranky. My motherboard was nagging me.

Gary_Savage

03-06-2008, 07:08 AM

Alright, everyone, back to the topic:

Back to the topic though, Israel, India, Pakistan, and maybe Greece would be great locations, with an HQ in NYC.

I say, again, I like the idea of Greece; I would like to see the area around the Old Athena Temple. I was thinking the main character could have found a copy of part of a tablet from a temple there, during a mission elsewhere, and had to go to Greece to see the res of the tablet, so as to decipher things. Perhaps the tablet holds a decryption key.

Any yeas, nays, or counter-suggestions?

gamer0004

03-06-2008, 08:47 AM

Gary_Savage

03-06-2008, 08:54 AM

As in Greece there are almost no intact temple's anymore (the Parthenon is one of the best most intact temple's and that one has been blown up around the year 1400). People always think of the temple's when they think of Greece, but the foundation and some pieces of stone are often the only thing that's left.

Actually, I meant a visit to the ruins (I thought some of the pillars were still there, from some documentary).

If too little of these ruins are left, then how about a visit to the underwater ruins near Alexandria, in Egypt?

NOTE To DEVELOPERS: Please let us know when your decisions on locations have been set in stone, so we can concentrate on the more pertinent topics of that time.

gamer0004

03-06-2008, 10:33 PM

Actually, I meant a visit to the ruins (I thought some of the pillars were still there, from some documentary).

If too little of these ruins are left, then how about a visit to the underwater ruins near Alexandria, in Egypt?

NOTE To DEVELOPERS: Please let us know when your decisions on locations have been set in stone, so we can concentrate on the more pertinent topics of that time.

There are still quite a lot of ruins, don't get me wrong, but a lot of them aren't very interesting.

What about Atlantis? There are some clues about it and some people think it existed or still exists. An underwater research lab? :P

nullassult

03-07-2008, 07:55 PM

My favorite places in Deus Ex were the city environments. Places that were real looking. Places that you could visit if you wanted. It made the story and setting realistic and believable even though there were things in the story that were far fetched. So, my list is:

1. NEW YORK!
2. Chicago.
3. Eastern Europe.
4. I like the idea of D.C.

lightbringerrr

03-07-2008, 08:23 PM

Tijuana! :D

Hufterkruk

03-08-2008, 08:17 AM

If Deus Ex 3 will be in the future, but before Deus Ex 1, I'd love to see Arnhem in the Netherlands. Because I live there, and perhaps it would be a seashore city then, because of global warming and sea levels rising.

Else I'd love to go to Moscow or something in that neighbourhood.

gamer0004

03-08-2008, 10:58 AM

Edx

03-09-2008, 08:28 AM

Else I'd love to go to Moscow or something in that neighbourhood.

Lots of "i speel my drink!" people loooool

Vestu

03-09-2008, 02:43 PM

1. NYC

2. Moscow

3. A short, nightly visit in Helsinki.

4. Delhi

5. Paris

6. Rome

7. Tokyo / Kyoto / Osaka

8. Atlantis

Gary_Savage

03-09-2008, 05:20 PM

4. Delhi

Robert Baer, in his book "See No Evil," talks about Delhi/Dehli, if I remember right, as a place where you would find someone shadowing you at every corner. I think I would like that in a DX game. I'm not sure what I would want the observers to do with their observations, but being under constant surveillance and carrying out a stealth mission would be fun.

Church_Of_Stevedave

03-10-2008, 02:36 AM

1. Visible weapon upgrades!!!!! Sites, larger mags, rail reinforment etc. I dont know why this hasnt been featured in many games, but having a visible change to you're weapons when you upgrade them is glorious. Hitman Blood Money, Bioshock and Resi 4 are great examples of games that gained loads of character and personalisation by actually showing the changes to you're weapons.

2. I want to earn my way through the game. What really got me in IW was that you just randomly bumped into Tracer Tong in a bar in Trier, whereas in DE1 you really had to earn his trust before you met him. That was not only much more realistic but made meeting him much more worthwhile.

3. Finally..... DAYLIGHT!!! I do so love the night time-ness of both games, however I really think a bit of daylight would really add to the game. I mean, regardless of you're opinion of the game itself, the intro to IW was amazing (for its time) and the daylight scene in Seatle was really stunning. Daylight would add some much needed depth.

Church_Of_Stevedave

03-10-2008, 02:44 AM

Im a muppet. :D

But in that case:

1. Rome (conspiracy central!!!)

2. Africa, mainly because in both games there is the achetype 'secret lab', and we've had deep sea and antartica, methinks a jungle based lab would be a logical and awesome step.

2. Moscow or just somewhere in Russia, I really loved the OMAR in IW and i think some hinting as to their origins would be glorious.

And again much apologies for my lack of attention, I blame monday mornings.

Church_Of_Stevedave

03-10-2008, 02:46 AM

Jurusalem, very much inspired by assassins creed, but with the Knights Templar and the Illuminati, Jurusalem could be a great setting.

Assassins ahoy anyone?

W.S.

03-10-2008, 10:36 AM

U.N.A.T.C.O HQ NYC Liberty Island!! What a magic moment in IW to visit these well known chambers again. Great idea but really screwed up.

However, i'd love to get there again, see new interior, people, life in old accomodations. Even if it won't be exactly THAT HQ (because unatco didnt exist in prequel) or if it would become abstracted beyond recognition, the ground plan itself would enthuse me.

Gary_Savage

03-10-2008, 10:39 AM

Jurusalem, very much inspired by assassins creed, but with the Knights Templar and the Illuminati, Jurusalem could be a great setting.

Assassins ahoy anyone?

You know, I've always wanted to suggest Jerusalem, but was afraid because of the possible religious connotations. If a story can be set with a group that does not have any ties to an existing/established religion there, then I am all for it. I would walk around all over the map for miles around, and use binoculars to zoom in, to see from all angles the great places of history, tradition, and worship that are located there (like the Dome of the Rock), even if the game does not allow me to actually enter these places, not wanting to put a conspiracy smack center in a house of worship. A day time mission there might be even better: I'm sure it will give a much better view of the Wailing Wall, and Al-Aqsa Mosque.

I only support having Jerusalem as long as religions are kept out of this [maybe factions that use the names of religions, for their benefits, but not the religions, themselves]. Much as I would like to see the Templars, I am not sure if I would like them brought into the story in Jerusalem, since I take it they were religiously affiliated at some point; correct me if I am wrong, especially since I am hazy on this, having read both, that they were devout, and that they were heretics.

O, and where can I learn more about the Assassins? I found a book, once, about a journey (and stay) that an American woman made to the hills where the Assassins had their strongholds; but the chapter mainly talked about the ruins, and the lifestyle of the local people currently living there: not much on the Assassins, themselves.

P.S. While on the subject of books, how about my player character actually finds books that people talk about, in the game? That could add to the conversation, and maybe even the storyline. That might even be better role-playing. I really hated it, in DX1, when my character said "I'm not big into books." I would not want my character saying something like that, unless I chose to ignore all the books lying around, entirely.

Church_Of_Stevedave

03-11-2008, 12:50 AM

Well im a Classics a student, so what im doing is a little before the Assassin period. However basically I know of two avenues you can persue if you're interested. One is too take the factual, historical stand point and find books on the crusades. The Richard the Lionheart period, so just the before the 1200s. However ultimately this is going to feature little on the assassins as most 'knowledge' about them is based on inference.

However I suggest going for the speculative (and sometime downright random) angles. As no one really knows anything solid about the assassins, most books about them are you're typical conspiracy books. But as we're all avid Deus Ex fans that shouldn't be a problem. Look for books by David Icke (perhaps spelled differently...), but ignore the purple tracksuit and the mullet. He's the guy who believes giant blood drinking lizards rule the world :D

You'll find those books near the religion/mind and body section of any bookshop i think.

mike-rs

03-12-2008, 03:12 AM

Being new I can't be sure if this has been suggested since I only have skimmed over the posts and seen a trend. People seem to want a European city, somewhere in Asia and a secret facility somewhere. So here are my suggestions.

Europe is a massive place and people seem to be calling out the basics such as London, Paris, Moscow and the other major cities. I would suggest Istanbul, the cross-roads of Europe and Asia which could become very interesting given the cultural and geographic significance of the city in world history.

Asia again, Hong Kong, Tokyo. Great places but they are too stereotypical of Asia in general. How about somewhere in the golden triangle or some potentially scary places. With the technological developments and criminal elements around the Strait of Malacca, Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore. Singapore would be very interesting with its limited space, massive technological development and strict government.

For a Secret Facility I would hope people get over Area 51 and do something different, but also relatively accessible (so no running off into space). How about Pine Gap in the middle of the Australian desert. Evolving the facility into a separate technological surveillance hub after the UN took over Area 51, under the control of Australian and United States intelligence/military (maybe rogue) sections.

Just some ideas. I think they have more potential then the usual suspects.

mouse

03-12-2008, 11:25 AM

^^ nice selection

I'd like to have a really crowded place with many shops, people, items, stuff to interact with... A bazar in an oriental location might do, but not the fairy-tale version of it but the cyber-age, computerized, blinking abd flashing version... if you catch my drift...

Gary_Savage

03-13-2008, 07:22 AM

...I would suggest Istanbul, the cross-roads of Europe and Asia which could become very interesting given the cultural and geographic significance of the city in world history.

That would be very refreshing. I remember the first time I visited Battery Park and Castle Clinton, in New York, and the Statue of Liberty, and how amazed I was at how similar the DX1 maps had been to the real thing. I even tried to find the subway train, based on where it had been in the game. I would like a similar experience with Istanbul, its hills, and its large masjids/mosques and cathedrals.

How about somewhere in the golden triangle or some potentially scary places.

Brilliant idea! I'm sure the drug cartels and power grabbing conspirators can be tied in, nicely. Hey, considering that some intelligence agencies deal in drugs (or so some YouTube videos would have one believe), and do applied research, the Golden Triangle would be great.

For a Secret Facility I would hope people get over Area 51 and do something different, but also relatively accessible (so no running off into space). How about Pine Gap in the middle of the Australian desert. Evolving the facility into a separate technological surveillance hub after the UN took over Area 51, under the control of Australian and United States intelligence/military (maybe rogue) sections.

Just some ideas. I think they have more potential then the usual suspects.

Well, sure, the first time, in DX1, I heard Jock mention Area 51, I thought something like, "O, another nut case! This might turn out to be very bad game; it will definitely turn out real bad if I do end up on a mission to Area 51." At that time, if anyone would have told me that this would turn into my favorite game before the next sentence that Jock completed, I would have laughed in his face (there was something about the way that Jock put things across, that made me continue to ask him questions).

Well, 7 years on, I am curious about the work on the project that got all those fiber optic cables into Area 51, in the first place, and especially the building up of what later became the Aquinas Hub. So if we have a prequel to DX1, I would like to go "back" to Area 51, just to see how it all started. Think about it. I have heard that it is a facility that is buried in the mountains, just like Hitler had hidden his rocket facility in the mountains. Having watched movies like "Operation Crossbow" and "Where Eagles Dare," I would love a mission where I infiltrate a mountain facility, where I could go from compartment to compartment over bare rocks, and one slip could end in a long, fatal fall. I would also like a harrowing escape, like in the movie "Where Eagles Dare." By this I mean being chased by a tremendous force of enemies, so I am forced to sneak my way to a transport, unlike in DX1, where I could always kill all the enemies and then be able to roam any level freely.

FistOFun

03-16-2008, 04:28 PM

Personally I would love to go to London.

RoyalSnail

03-16-2008, 06:31 PM

Much deeper into the Rabbit Hole.

Where else matters? :P

Bloodwolf806

03-19-2008, 07:56 AM

New York(Liberty Island),USA
Tokyo, Japan
St.Petersburg, Russia

1776

03-19-2008, 07:17 PM

1. Dulce, New Mexico
2. Denver International Airport, Colorado
3. New York City, specifically the United Nations and the Freedom Tower assuming its in the game.

I'd also like to see Washington D.C. in the game with places like the Pentagon and the Ford Theatre somehow thrown into the game. Also would like to see China/Tibet and the Middle East in the game.

SemiAnonymous

03-19-2008, 08:39 PM

First off, I was always disappointed that in DX1, when you go on the Wallcloud, it never went anywhere, just sat and blew up. So this leads to my first suggestion:
A Luxury Cruiser liner. Sneak on board, complete objectives and attempt to hijack the boat. Then lead the boat to suggestion 2:
The Bermuda Triangle. We know MJ12 was responsible for some crazy things that were going on, so why not this? The Liner gets destroyed at the Triangle, ship sinks, you escape (possibly in a section that is a throwback to the Wallcloud escape sequence), and find yourself in my suggestion 3:
Bermuda Triangle secret base. From here, this could be the point where you discover just who you are working for, assuming that this goes in a similar plotline as DX1 (work for agency, find corruption/evil, get betrayed, etc).
It actually could work, if done right.

dimaf1985

03-19-2008, 11:46 PM

The whole point of going to the Wallcloud was to blow it up. That was the mission. And the Bermuda Triangle? Yes, let's also include the moon and the lost city of Atlantis. And then it turns out MJ12 was space aliens all along. Anyway, my top 3:

1. Wherever the origin of the Knights Templar is, a lot of ppl are citing Jerusalem, I guess thats the one to go to.

2. Various parts of the US like in DX1, NYC is a must, DC for the FEMA thing

3. Tokyo

Theres no reason to go to Africa or Australia, theres nothing to do there. Not really a DX setting anyway. France was awesome in DX1, maybe they could do an equally good job with London, Greece, Moscow. No reason to do anything exotic whats great about the DX1 settings is that they were mostly the places that no one went, i.e. sewers, back alleys, underground tunnels, abandoned or private establishments etc.

mike-rs

03-20-2008, 01:06 AM

Theres no reason to go to Africa or Australia, theres nothing to do there.

I would disagree. There are plenty of reasons to go to places such as Australia and Africa. For a start they both have massive amounts of natural resources which leads to an the potential for both areas to reap the economic benefits of continued development and or any economic crisis. A hole in the ground has unimagionable value.
Africa, and more specifficly South Africa would be poised to take advantage of any nano tech revolution since it has one of the most liberal and advanced small weapons industries in the world.
Johaisburg would be really fascinating since there it isn't known as the firendliest city in the world. Cybernetic criminal gangs, diamond smuggling and illicit weapons trade. Could be fun

Australia with a highly educated population that would be economically sheltered from any world crisis due to its natural resources would probably be one of the advanced research centres around the world.
Perth in Australia would be an international powerhouse since it's the major city for one of the largest mining areas in the world. Money and various vested interests.

Just some observations.
Not saying that they're better or worse then anywhere else in the world but don't dismiss places because they don't fit your arceotype of a Sci Fi game.

Gary_Savage

03-20-2008, 10:18 AM

Theres no reason to go to Africa or Australia, theres nothing to do there.

Someone has disagreed to that, but if it was true, then that would be precisely why I would want to go there. A lot of high tech companies put up their labs in desolate places. Corning Inc., for instance, has its world research headquarters near a very small town, in upstate New York, NY, USA. A lot of other US companies have their R&D facilities in pretty much dead-end towns, which is why a lot of my friends did not express interest in the jobs there. So, if Africa or Australia are desolate, then that would be precisely why MJ12-like organizations would setup their research there. I do recall the Ocean-Labs base being in a desolate place. Also, from real life, military intelligence monitoring stations are often in desolate places.

minus0ne

03-20-2008, 12:55 PM

Theres no reason to go to Africa or Australia, theres nothing to do there. Not really a DX setting anyway.
That's so untrue :mad2: Caïro in IW could've been a great setting (and parts of it were) if they would've actually developed it like they should have (ie more than a few alleyways and a large facility).

And then there are numerous other great DX locations in Africa;

Casablanca - beautiful city in which there's already a collision of modern architecture and the old - they could enhance/extrapolate this further and make a great setting.

Johannesburg - One of the fastest developing cities in the world (and a high crime rate to match LA/NY :P)

Caïro revisit - Only this time around, they make it an actual city (instead of the aforementioned few alleyways and facility), perhaps see some frickin' pyramids (3D ones, to give you a sense of awe), lots of NPCs etc.

Some place near the birthplace of mankind perhaps (Central Africa).

Off the top of my head..

Gary_Savage

03-20-2008, 01:19 PM

Johannesburg - One of the fastest developing cities in the world (and a high crime rate to match LA/NY :P)

Since many of us seem to like places with high crime rates, may I also suggest that we keep running into thugs are not out to get us, but will attack us if they think we overheard their conversation? For example, in DX1's Hong Kong, near the canals (I think it was the canals map) I overheard two NPCs, and it sounded like a drug deal going down. As soon as they saw me they tried to get me with stun prods. I would love to see more of that kind of thing if we go to places with high crime rates.

dimaf1985

03-20-2008, 06:18 PM

Well, I'm sure that there are enough reasons to set up a few maps in a desolate place like Africa, where a secret underground lab can exist. But a hole in the ground can exist anywhere. And someone suggested showcasing landmarks such as pyramids. I'm not saying there's no way they can make Africa work. I'm just suggesting that over-reaching for some sort of exotic locale to place the game in, just for the sake of making it exotic would be a mistake. There has to be a good reason for it. In DX you went to the Versalife offices in Hong Kong because it is known for being one of the corporate epicentres in the world. They picked Hong Kong for that specific reason, and not some random city like Vienna or Rio because it wouldnt make sense. A good alternative to Hong Kong would be Tokyo. Similarly, Paris was chosen for its history with the Knights Templar. Jerusalem would be a perfect extension of that theme. The rest of the game remained within the US because the main plot was about a US government conspiracy. Therefore, places like the underwater lab didn't HAVE TO be moved to obscure places like Africa, because it made logistical sense for MJ12 to stay close to home. It's fun to speculate about the various world capitals where DX3 COULD take place, but remember they have to be relevant to the plot and themes, instead of being relevant to someone's particular taste in pretty architechtural design.

Also, mike-rs made some very interesting points about the socio-economic state of places like Johannesburg and Perth. Certainly, i have to take my comments back about there being nothing to do in Australia and Africa. I was just trying to make a point about how i really dont want to see camels, palm trees and savannahs in DX3. :D

gamer0004

03-21-2008, 02:12 AM

dimaf1985

03-21-2008, 01:50 PM

Africa is not the place to be in DX. While South-East Asia has a great infrastructure capable of supporting large industries, Africa doesn't. Besides that, Africa is politcal very unstable and therefore not very appealing to companies either.
Australia could be okay, as long as there isn't any mystic stuff (like the aboriginals), or "mystic" stuff that turns out to be the work of modern technology (which has become so cliché that it's actually really annoying nowadays).

Exactly. That was more or less the point i was trying to make. Someone suggested Istanbul, or Rome for its cathedrals and religious connotations. Remember it has to be relevant to the DX themes, not just some accurate graphical representation of really nice architechture. The whole point of going to the cathedral in DX1, was its ties to the Knights Templar, which was an organization of conspirators being taken over by another organization of conspirators, which was one of the major plotlines. And any of that mystical stuff is out of the question.

Viscosity

03-31-2008, 04:24 PM

New York and Hong Kong (for nostalgia)

New places.

Tokyo, JP

Montreal, CA (Why not? Thats where the game is being made. :) )

Boston, MA

WildcatPhoenix

03-31-2008, 07:42 PM

Coincidentally, the "Man in Black" mod will feature almost all of those locations you just mentioned. :D

Sorry, couldn't resist!

-Wildcat

lightbringerrr

03-31-2008, 08:12 PM

Coincidentally, the "Man in Black" mod will feature almost all of those locations you just mentioned. :D

Sorry, couldn't resist!

-Wildcat

"Who da' hell be you to make such predictions mon'" ???

H.R.-Vocalist, Bad Brains.

RebelX

04-01-2008, 12:14 PM

1. Korea (particularly Seoul)

2. Washington DC

3. Somewhere in eastern Europe

I hope they don't pick something like Antarctica again... The portal thing was lame too. I don't see how Eidos is going to undo all the bad/cheesy stuff they did in Invisible War... Maybe a prequel to DX1 but I don't see how that can work out.

Vasarto

04-02-2008, 01:26 PM

New york City (Hell's Kitchen)
Hong Kong
Eagle Point Oregon (My Home Town) its a nice place really.Could be good for a mission involving something like ehhh..a meeting place where a member of the illuminati lives and stuff...

Gunter Herman

04-05-2008, 05:29 AM

Bumping this building, would be a shame if it's left out:

http://www.kolesqueeste.nl/images/atomium2.jpg

Apart from that, some nostalgia (especially Hong Kong) would be nice. But Liberty Island - not again please.

Vasarto

04-05-2008, 09:56 AM

What a very interesting building herman.

New york..Just a statue I thought would something to add to the newyork
area.
http://www.jberkey.com/Bull1.jpg

Dont't know what this place is...but its from paris..Would be nice place to visit in the game.

http://www.travelphoto.net/a-photo-a-day/wordpress/wp-content/paris-photos-0058a.jpg

Gunter Herman

04-05-2008, 10:05 AM

What a very interesting building herman.

It wasn't actually my idea to include it in DX3, someone brought it up when the thread was just started (see page 1). I've always been a fan of it though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomium

Scadvid

04-05-2008, 10:50 AM

7. Tokyo / Kyoto / Osaka

Hakodate.

Notice something similiar to the Liberty Island level? ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goryokaku

Vasarto

04-08-2008, 07:20 AM

It wasn't actually my idea to include it in DX3, someone brought it up when the thread was just started (see page 1). I've always been a fan of it though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomium

Nice!

Anyway Other places I would like to see other than Newyork,Paris and honk kong would be places like. St.Petersburg(Russia),Venice(Italy)London(England)

Vinice most of all would be a very interesting place with all of its water cannals and how it looks so diffarant from anywhere else.

Conspiracy Theorist

04-08-2008, 06:13 PM

What a very interesting building herman.
Dont't know what this place is...but its from paris..Would be nice place to visit in the game.
http://www.travelphoto.net/a-photo-a-day/wordpress/wp-content/paris-photos-0058a.jpg

That's the Sacre Coeur (sacred heart) Basilica in Paris.

Conspiracy Theorist

04-08-2008, 06:24 PM

Africa is not the place to be in DX. While South-East Asia has a great infrastructure capable of supporting large industries, Africa doesn't. Besides that, Africa is politcal very unstable and therefore not very appealing to companies either.

There might be some way to integrate "third world" locations into the storyline. After all, every multi-national conspiracy has to get its raw resources from somewhere....

Conspiracy Theorist

04-08-2008, 06:32 PM

I think the story should draw on Islamic terrorism. Perhaps the baseline of the story could be made from some obscure conspiracy found in that ongoing problem.

The terrorism link is already there, isn't it? Who were the group of people walking around in hoods - who destroy the building in the opening sequence?

(Sheez, guess I'll have to get it out and play it again.... ;) )

Terrorism doesn't have to be conceived in religious terms. It can also just represent those groups (and individuals) that are resisting whatever it is that happens to be totalizing the world.

lightbringerrr

04-08-2008, 06:45 PM

It wasn't actually my idea to include it in DX3, someone brought it up when the thread was just started (see page 1). I've always been a fan of it though:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomium

That IS cool!

Man, post-war Europe got ALL of the cool **** in terms of architecture and transportation. Rotterdam has a monorail that runs around the entire city!

lightbringerrr

04-08-2008, 06:49 PM

Hakodate.

Notice something similiar to the Liberty Island level? ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goryokaku

Another winner; very cool!

lightbringerrr

04-08-2008, 06:54 PM

Well, if we're gonna' get all wacky, let's head to the dome of the rock and then off to mecca!*

*Where Lightbringerrr's patented "Deus Ex: Bloodbath"! would be OODLES of fun!!!:lmao:

Vasarto

04-08-2008, 07:25 PM

That's the Sacre Coeur (sacred heart) Basilica in Paris.

So thats what it is called. Ill look it up in a bit. See what The place is about ect. Anyway I hope there will be alot of places to go to in Deus Ex 3 and
They give you the ability to go back between the places during the story.

Accept they would have to put some limitations on it for the stories sake.
Like if in DX they let us go back and forth between Places like paris and Newyork. That wouldn't be a good idea since newyork at the time was a warzone looking for jc. But give us the opportunity to go to where-ever
we want during most times of the game.

Like lets say you have contacts in Venice in italy and you have made friends
with people whom can give you ammo. Well Since your on your Way from
St.Petersburg In Russia and going to Paris you could stop in and gather or...Purchase some equipment or find that there are new side quests to do.

I know this is only suppost to be the top three places but I feel as if they should concider or at least put all of the names of places I am going to list
in as places we could visit in the game. Main Story Wise or not it doesn't matter. You could do side quests or missions that strey from the Main story
involving drug lords,Mafia or Other conspiracy's involving or that could alter
the main story slightly or just in very small ways.

PLACES:
1.Newyork (USA)
2.Paris (France)
3.Hong Kong (China)
4.Venice (Italy)
5.Montreal (CA, USA)
6.Casablanca (western Morocco...I think )
7.London (England)
8.Vancouver (Canada)
9.Zurich (Sweden I think)
10.Vienna (Austrian capital)
11.Madrid (Spain)
12.Sydney (Austrain City)
13.Rome...(Italy?)
14.Eagle Point Oregon...ya..I can only wish for a game with my hometown as a location....hey we have a super wal-mart and other stuff...so its not that bad of a place.
15.Seattle (Washington)
16.Washington DC
17.Tokyo (Japan)

lightbringerrr

04-08-2008, 10:03 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_OrlojWe're going to Prauge!

As someone who has crossed the St. Charles Bridge on more than one occasion, I would love to see this City that was NOT bombed to hell by the Nazi's, and is one of the VERY few Old European Cities that retains ALL of it's historical landmarks, included in DX3!

Trip to the Astronomical(?) Clock anyone?

jordan_a

04-09-2008, 01:17 AM

That's the Sacre Coeur (sacred heart) Basilica in Paris.
Yeah, and I live right behind it actually. :D
Its interior:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3728/31653qo1.jpg
By the way the Pope is coming on september.

Vasarto

04-09-2008, 01:04 PM

Yeah, and I live right behind it actually. :D
Its interior:
http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/3728/31653qo1.jpg
By the way the Pope is coming on september.

Wow...that looks nice. Twould be a very nice level to go in.

gamer0004

04-10-2008, 08:41 AM

That IS cool!

Man, post-war Europe got ALL of the cool **** in terms of architecture and transportation. Rotterdam has a monorail that runs around the entire city!

LOL what the hell? I've lived in R'dam and I've never seen such a thing or heard from it. I don't live there anymore, but I still come there very often and doubt that there is any such thing.

lightbringerrr

04-10-2008, 09:43 AM

LOL what the hell? I've lived in R'dam and I've never seen such a thing or heard from it. I don't live there anymore, but I still come there very often and doubt that there is any such thing.

I was there in 95. Our hotel was near the Maashaven station. Our hotel was owned by a Jamaican family whose son was a local musician.
It's possible that I'm thinking of an overhead train instead of a monorail, but it's been a very long time since I've been there.
As you walk from our hotel towards one of the main streets that will eventually end up near a very large restaurant in the sky( I think it was a restaurant, it may have just been an observation tower for the harbor ),there's a middle-eastern owned coffee shop across the street from a brothel that we used to hang out at.
We took the rail into downtown and ate at a restaurant called 'Twifler'( I think that's the name, but not sure ), and had a few drinks at a bar around the corner. Almost every bar has a "house dog", which I thought was very cool.

ADDENDUM:
I just got done looking at some pics from Rotterdamn, and the 'restaurant' is really the Euromast. Looking at these pictures is making me really miss that city. I'd like to back at least once before I die.

gamer0004

04-10-2008, 11:26 AM

I was there in 95. Our hotel was near the Maashaven station. Our hotel was owned by a Jamaican family whose son was a local musician.
It's possible that I'm thinking of an overhead train instead of a monorail, but it's been a very long time since I've been there.
As you walk from our hotel towards one of the main streets that will eventually end up near a very large restaurant in the sky( I think it was a restaurant, it may have just been an observation tower for the harbor ),there's a middle-eastern owned coffee shop across the street from a brothel that we used to hang out at.
We took the rail into downtown and ate at a restaurant called 'Twifler'( I think that's the name, but not sure ), and had a few drinks at a bar around the corner. Almost every bar has a "house dog", which I thought was very cool.

ADDENDUM:
I just got done looking at some pics from Rotterdamn, and the 'restaurant' is really the Euromast. Looking at these pictures is making me really miss that city. I'd like to back at least once before I die.

I visit R'dam reguarly and yes I like the city very much too. I know the Euromast and I think I know what you're talking about: there are small blue wagons that look a bit like a monorail. The "tube" is often above the ground too, btw.
But yeah, it's a really modern city, partly because it was bombed during WW2 of course. It could be cool if parts of DX3 will take place there.

lightbringerrr

04-10-2008, 06:10 PM

I visit R'dam reguarly and yes I like the city very much too. I know the Euromast and I think I know what you're talking about: there are small blue wagons that look a bit like a monorail. The "tube" is often above the ground too, btw.
But yeah, it's a really modern city, partly because it was bombed during WW2 of course. It could be cool if parts of DX3 will take place there.

I distinctly remember looking around as we walked through City Center, and seeing only one super old-school building that was serving as a library. The stonework was charred black from fire during the Axis Powers bombardment of the city.
Same thing in Dresden. Nothing, and I mean absolutely NOTHING architectural survived that air assault. On the outside of town, there's an old staging area and structure before you hit the Czech border, and before you begin driving through the mountains. It was very eerie to see that, as we were driving at night.
No film or documentary can compare with standing face to face with these places.

Illuminati

04-12-2008, 11:45 PM

gamer0004

04-13-2008, 04:28 AM

Lol. The euromast could be the home of Morgan Everett when he's still young or something like that :nut:

auric

04-13-2008, 05:09 AM

I definitely want to see Liberty Island again with new graphics & with its head still intact. Hmm... 20 years, that's before whoever it was, C4 it, right?
:D

Japan is definitely what I'm hoping for when I first read of Deus Ex 3 coming out. Top of my head, lol
Can't have an advance tech. story without them in some way.

And in a more personal note, I would like to hear/read a quote or if relevant to the story, have a level of Malaysia in the game. Hearing & reading of it would be sufficient.
:)

minus0ne

04-13-2008, 05:23 AM

Honest to god, going to Rotterdam would suck intensely..

It is one of the ugliest city's in Holland. I am from Holland and I've no idea what good storyline could take place here. Can't really say we are the center of the world..
I completely agree. However, Rotterdam is the largest port outside of Asia (ie, a good place to offload some nanovirus, or whatever it is that serves a DX storyline). I'd still rather see Amsterdam or The Hague though. The Hague being the site of the International Criminal Court (not recognized by the U.S.) and Amsterdam being a old-meets-new Blade Runneresque type Venice.

lightbringerrr

04-13-2008, 08:33 AM

Honest to god, going to Rotterdam would suck intensely..

It is one of the ugliest city's in Holland. I am from Holland and I've no idea what good storyline could take place here. Can't really say we are the center of the world..

I've seen uglier. Rotterdam may be a more industry-oriented city than Amsterdam, but hotels, food, and various other goodies are way less expensive and it's a much easier city to get around in.
Those streets in Amsterdam were made for horses, carriages, and VW Beetles. How our contact at the vehicle rental managed to drive a Mercedes van through the red light district is beyond me. It's like putting a Tonka Truck on a Hotwheels track.
Some of the neighborhoods at the docks aren't the most attractive I've ever seen, but compared to old downtown Washington DC, they're a virtual Shangri-La.
As you are from Holland, perhaps you can explain to me this Dutch obsession with Pork and mayonaise-covered french fries?

pHdeus

04-13-2008, 09:30 AM

Deus Ex's excellence was due in part by the great variety of places and environments in the game.

Even people who would never have played a video game became interested when I listed the different places in the game.

So my only suggestion; use the world as the canvas and keep the environments true as possible to reality or a future reality as envisioned the creators. Otherwise, I trust the creators to come up with places that support the story as magnificently as Deus Ex 1.

... and for some reason, I expect to see Montreal. :o

B0b_P@ge

04-13-2008, 10:13 AM

HONG KONG!!!!!!!!

http://www.freewebs.com/vm4hk/hong-kong-map.jpg
http://www.liberal-debutante.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/hkg-hong-kong-advertising.jpg
http://binary.rolex.com/en/media/images/inside-rolex/sales-service/asia/hong-kong.jpg
http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/hong-kong-15-thumbnail-hong-kong-tngpx10001x14537x1fa4c1096.jpg
http://homepage.mac.com/angiu/iblog/B1292177912/C1695647056/E1489692122/Media/20041216.jpg

Shinjuku (Region in Tokyo, Japan)
http://photo.net/photo/2000pcd1670/tokyo-shinjuku-45.4.jpg
http://www.travel-earth.com/japan/shinjuku-night.jpg
http://www.bergoiata.org/fe/bestw2/Shinjuku%20District,%20Tokyo,%20Japan.jpg
http://www.students.stedwards.edu/tsegawa/home_files/shinjuku_at_night.jpg

B0b_P@ge

04-13-2008, 10:16 AM

http://z.about.com/d/manga/1/0/5/8/-/-/popjapan_shinjuku_500.jpg

lightbringerrr

04-13-2008, 11:14 AM

The restaurants and bars I ate at always had a ****load of pork and sausage dishes. On the drive across Holland to Berlin, every farmhouse I saw had two things:

1) A greenhouse.

2) Pigs.

jordan_a

04-13-2008, 11:15 AM

HONG KONG!!!!!!!!
All the way mate but your pictures are ENORMOUS watch it! :D

Larington

04-13-2008, 11:18 AM

Hmm, seems theres a contender for most awesome name for food ever there.

WAR Fries. Ruuuuuuuargh!

lightbringerrr

04-13-2008, 11:23 AM

http://z.about.com/d/manga/1/0/5/8/-/-/popjapan_shinjuku_500.jpg

Cool pics, but unless we have some Luminous Path / Red Arrow business to take care of, I'd really prefer to see nostalgia take a back seat to the current story.

B0b_P@ge

04-14-2008, 07:26 AM

All the way mate but your pictures are ENORMOUS watch it! :D

My bad! ;)

gamer0004

04-14-2008, 08:44 AM

I completely agree. However, Rotterdam is the largest port outside of Asia (ie, a good place to offload some nanovirus, or whatever it is that serves a DX storyline). I'd still rather see Amsterdam or The Hague though. The Hague being the site of the International Criminal Court (not recognized by the U.S.) and Amsterdam being a old-meets-new Blade Runneresque type Venice.

Some say that the U.S. don't recognise the ICC because they would have to extradite many of their citizens :D

As you are from Holland, perhaps you can explain to me this Dutch obsession with Pork and mayonaise-covered french fries?

I'm Dutch too and it's the combination of fries, mayonaise, curry and onions (frietje speciaal). It's simply a brilliant combination, especially in combination with a "frikandel speciaal" (I guess that's what you mean by "pork", but itá actually a combination of leftovers with sometimes horse-meat), which is meat with mayonaise, curry and onions. You should try it. It might look disgusting but it tastes really good. The Dutch are almost like addicted to fries + mayonaise (+...), they can't even miss it on holiday...

rhalibus

05-04-2008, 01:37 PM

I just saw a video of the Large Hadron Collider they've completed building near Geneva, Switzerland. It's huge--I mean, huge--and its epic scale and sci-fi theme would make a great mission level: Maybe terrorists take it over and are threatening to create a black hole or emp bomb or something and you have to go resolve the issue...Or maybe a non-combat level like the Gary Savage control room at Vandenberg. In any case, watch some of the Hadron Collider videos and the scale will astound you...Notice the two workers in this picture:

http://blog.scifi.com/tech/pics/lhc_1.jpg

Oh, and great Shinjuku and Hong Kong pictures, B0b_P@ge. I went to Toyko a few months ago and maybe I'll post some of my Shinjuku shots...:)

Vasarto

05-04-2008, 06:19 PM

Vinice
St. PetersBurg
Vatican City

Sorry if the pictures are a bit big.

Venice 1
http://z.about.com/d/goeurope/1/0/h/K/venice_doge_6.jpg

Venice 2
http://www.letsgo-europe.com/Italy/Venice/venice80.jpg

Venice 3
http://www.digital-photo-web.com/image-files/venice-italy-pictures-p4081011.jpg

St.PetersBurg 1
http://www.ed.spb.ru/st-petersburg-wallpaper/packs/jpg800x600/hookanal.jpg

St.Petersburg 2
http://englishrussia.com/images/underwater_fountain/1.jpg

ST.Petersburg 3
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/11/27/world/28petersburg.xlarge1.jpg

Vatican City 1
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/places/images/ga/italy_st-peters-basilica-vatican-city.jpg

Vatican City 2
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v224/rafcat/Europe%20Trip/VaticanCity.jpg

Vatican city 3
http://www.stat.osu.edu/~brian/hobbies/travel/pics/vatican.jpg

jcp28

05-05-2008, 12:58 PM

Some place in Russia would be cool. It's so important to world affairs that it would be a shame not to include it sometime. Either Moscow or St.Petersburg would be fine by me.

As for other places, I'd suggest either San Francisco or LA for the American city(because one will surely be featured) They're among the few of the well-known cities left in USA(Dallas would be okay, but I don't know...)
Then an Asian city like Tokyo should most certainly be included. And since the DX bible mentions something about Mexico being dominated by drug lords, Mexico City should be included so we can explore how the situation came to be worst. Hell, the immigration debate makes it kind of relevant.
Then I suppose we must have the obligatory military base/research lab level as well...:rolleyes: But the stuff that goes on there might help fill in the future course of events in DX1.

Deadelus

05-05-2008, 07:39 PM

Tokyo would be fun.. But in the maps of 1 and two, there was so much more that could have been added to the maps.. They were so small.. Sure, maps are huge and if you over do it, gameplay might not be that great.. *BUT* they could be split up, such as Hong Kong in the first DX. And load times shouldn't be ridiculous like in DX2.. Heck, I'd be ecstatic if the maps loaded like GTA or so.. Different 'zones' that would be loaded while the game is running, and old zones dumped. But whatever they do, I'll still love it. It's Deus Ex after all. :)

Voltaire

05-06-2008, 06:05 AM

One of the things I liked in Hong Kong, DX1, was the really nice blur between the street/canal/club/office/laboratory. You always knew, and cared, where you were, because you had to wander round trying to find it for a while.

There was a real sense of being in an actual location, rather than the traditional "FPS tunnel" with no deviations in route from A to B.

Like: "I'm in the versalife offices, off the wanchai market, near lucky money"
Rather than: "I went through that room, killed him, used his key, walked down a corridor, went further on, never turning back dull, dull, dull..."

So long as the maps are believably set out as places, rather than one-way treks, I don't care if the game takes place entirely in broad daylight on Skipton high street (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skipton).

lightbringerrr

05-06-2008, 07:11 AM

"Some place in Russia would be cool. It's so important to world affairs that it would be a shame not to include it sometime. Either Moscow or St.Petersburg would be fine by me".

Kiev. Saint Sophias / Monastery of the Caves.
I've been fascinated by this joint since reading "The Vampire Armand". The monks would bury themselves in these cells, and would be uncovered once a month to recieve water and bread. Repeat process until dead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kiev_Sofiakathedraal.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Near_Caves_%28Kiev_Pechersk_Lavra%29.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Near_Caves_%28Kiev_Pechersk_Lavra%29_Interio ur.jpg

minus0ne

05-06-2008, 09:15 AM

I just saw a video of the Large Hadron Collider they've completed building near Geneva, Switzerland. It's huge--I mean, huge--and its epic scale and sci-fi theme would make a great mission level:
Finally another vote for this awesome location! If you want to see more about the LHC at CERN and what it's helping us discover, I highly recommend seeing BBC Horizon's "The Six Billion Dollar Experiment" :thumbsup: .

lightbringerrr

05-06-2008, 07:36 PM

Finally another vote for this awesome location! If you want to see more about the LHC at CERN and what it's helping us discover, I highly recommend seeing BBC Horizon's "The Six Billion Dollar Experiment" :thumbsup: .

Allright; I am sufficiently intrigued. I shall BBC and/or You Tube to discover more about this futuristic monolith( ahhh...Monolith; Caleb, whereforeart thou? ).
Be on the lookout for my "Vote for Prauge" presentation, which will appear shortly. I STILL don't know how to put an image up, but I will URL aplenty!:D

lightbringerrr

05-06-2008, 09:15 PM

First visited by Yours Truly in the Year of our Lord and Saviour Dirk Diggler, 1995, I offer you a few choice delights from one of the only cities in all of Europe that did NOT get bombed to hell in WW2( In fact, no bombs fell at all because the Nazi's just marched right in and said "Hi, we're here; pints for 5,000 please...):

PRAGUE!

1) Killer night-shot across the Vltava river highlighting Embassy-Row, the Presidental Palace/Prague Castle, and the St. Vitus( not JUST a cool Bauhaus song...he-hee! )Cathedral at the Presidental Palace/Prague Castle. I hope I can find a shot of the stonework on the Cathedral, because it is AMAZING. It's all-original, and has been painstakingly maintained to look EXACTLY like the day it was completed, with minimal signs of wear or aging:
(NOTE: When you open the link, click again to get the full resolution. Now look at the bottom left of the photo. Start at the restaurant and work your way to the right. See the ramp going up to the park? That park is THE PLACE to be on a weekend day. Get your bottle of wine, your guitar, your friends, and head out! TONS of hotties everywhere, and they aren't shy!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2464028806_34b50134bf_o.jpg

Front Entry to the Palace/Castle( note the two spires of the St. Vitus Cathedral looming in the background ). Note: Those two guard stands at the gate are ALWAYS manned by Ceremonial Guard and unlike the British; they will NOT sit still while you try to get goofy and/or stupid!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/Prague_castle.jpg

2) And here she is; the St. Vitus Cathedral:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/St_Vitus_Cathedral_from_south.jpg

This is a GREAT shot, but it doesn't do justice to standing in this very spot and looking up:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e4/Saint_Vitus_Cathedral_in_Prague.jpg

A couple more:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/Praga_przypory.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fe/Wita.png

The tomb of John of Nepomuk inside the cathedral: (NOTE: When I die, I'll take one of these with my likeness holding a 58' LP Goldtop; Righteous!)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/John_Nepomuk_Tomb.jpg

And finally; the back. Just beautiful.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e9/St_Vitus.jpg

Moving on.
We now head across the Vltava River to Old Town. And what better way to get there than to cross one of the coolest bridges I've ever seen; The Charles Bridge:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fc/Karl%C5%AFv_most.jpg

"The alley of 30 mostly baroque statues and statuaries situated on the balustrade forms a unique connection of artistic styles with the underlying gothic bridge. Most sculptures were erected between 1683 and 1714. They depict various saints and patron saints venerated at that time. The most prominent Bohemian sculptors of the time took part in decorating the bridge, such as: Matthias Braun, Jan Brokoff and his sons Michael Joseph and Ferdinand Maxmilian.

Among the most notable sculptures, one can find the statuaries of St. Luthgard, St. Crucifix or St. John of Nepomuk. Well known is also the statue of knight Bruncvík, although it does not belong to the main alley.

Beginning in 1965, all of the statues have been systematically replaced by replicas and the originals have been exhibited in the lapidarium of the National Museum".

Our old friend( and forebearer of my Righteous Rock and Roll Casket ) John of Nepomuk in happier, breathing days!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/John_of_Nepomuk.jpg

And finally, we pass through this structure( Yes; you can enter on either side and take the steps to the top! ) and head in to Old Town:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dd/Aftnn_The_old_town_end_of_the_King_Charles_bridge. jpg

I walked across this thing at least twice a week, and it's so cool in the summer when all the artists are set up and selling thier wares up and down the bridge.

Final Notes on the Charles Bridge:
The music video 'Never Tear Us Apart' by INXS( Good God; an amazing f'n song, and I miss Mike Hutchence immensely; I met him when he and Helena Christensen walked in to the shop I was working at in the Westport entertainment district in Kansas City Mo. when INXS was on tour in 93-94 )was filmed on Charles Bridge.
Part of Linkin Park's music video 'Numb' was filmed on Charles Bridge.
Part of Kanye West's music video "Diamonds are forever" was filmed on Charles Bridge.
Charles Bridge appears in the action films Mission: Impossible( remember John Voight shooting himself, then falling in to the water? Yep; that's The Charles ) and XXX.

I'll post some Old Town stuff tomorrow, and hopefully I can find a shot of the bar we used to live upstairs from; GOOD Times!
I gots'ta get to bed though.
Later,
Lightbringerrr.

robm_2007

05-08-2008, 10:05 AM

Prague, Czech Republic
Berlin, Germany
New York City, New York

Igoe

05-08-2008, 10:13 AM

So, I think we can all agree on 3 things here:

1) Predominantly urban areas

Cities provide ample cover from enemies, lend themselves well to exploration and NPC sidequests, and pretty much embody the pseudo-cyberpunk that is Deus Ex. (which I've affectionately dubbed "TechNoir")

2) Nothing too flashy or futuristic.

The areas have to be well grounded and believable. Seattle was certainly a very....colorful city in IW, but it didn't look anything like the cities of today, which takes away from the immersion. No one wants to see a literal re-creation of any modern city from today (though some might argue otherwise ) The city has to be at least believable. Things like ocean labs work in the world of DX because they're just beyond the limits of today's tech, but aren't so far removed from the capability of man so as to be alien in nature. It's exotic without being unbelievable. Today? maybe. 40 years from now? Sure, why not.

3) Surprise us.

We can sit and conjecture all day, but in the end no one really wants to be 100% right. Think about it. If there's anything working in the game industry has taught me it's that gamers DON'T know what they want. I know, I know, hate me if you will, but every time you pander to your target group, you get poor results. People LIKE surprises. DX3 needs some show-stopping exotic location, something so random none of us would ever conceive of it. When we play the game, we'll have a pretty good idea of what we're getting into. I think we can all agree that SOMEWHERE down the line, probably towards the end, there needs to be that one random locale, that ONE amazingly unpredictably awesome level that makes us stop in our tracks and revel in its glory.

lightbringerrr

05-12-2008, 08:13 AM

On to Old Town:

Old Town Square:
This cathedral is on every bottle of Staropramen beer. Ironically enough, the first place we ended up at upon arriving was the Staropramen Brewery.
Good stuff. Buy a six; you'll like.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/74/Thyn-Kirche.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/OldTownSquareMotl.JPG

Some various buildings near Old Town Square:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/50/119_1990rrr.jpg
Ah-HA! On the other side of the cathedral in this pic, is the bar we lived above and partied at all the time.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0c/StareMestoNarrowStreet.JPG

And of course; the Astronomical Clock:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/Prague_Clock_Tower.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/PragueTownHallClockhzenilc.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/40/Schema_Orloj_en.png
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8c/Schema_Orloj_pragueorlojhzenilc.jpg

Here's something that was being built around the time I was there:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Fred_and_Ginger_from_the_Front.jpg

The National Museum and Wenceslas Square at night: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/ca/Wenceslas_Square.jpg
On the steps of the museum, looking the other direction:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/Wenzelsplatz-00.jpg

A link to the cafe/club I worked at for a little while:
http://www.radostfx.cz/homepage.asp?lang=en&ver=htm

The Bar:
http://www.pragueexperience.com/places.asp?PlaceID=655
A link to a Prague Virtual Tour:
http://www.praguealacarte.com/PALC/palcFrontPage.html

I hope you've enjoyed this, now EIDOS; Make it happen!

mad_red

05-13-2008, 03:11 AM

Venice = has stuff like in Trier, Paris, DX1 Cathedral. And of course HK canals. Lots of places under the buildings, local life, and history. Plenty of stuff to make me happy.

Amsterdam or Utrecht, or some other city in the world with old downtown canals will also do. (I'm from Holland). Both sides of the canals are lined with what used to be werehouses - now turned into coffeeshops and restaurants, and in whorehouses and hashbars in other areas. The canals, docks, and ex-warehouses are all below street-level. There's both big and small canals, boats, and bridges. Canals in the alley's, canals running in front of churches, etc. etc. And did I mention all the drug-dealing, prostitution, parties, etc. etc? I'm sure they'll have rampantly spread out of control in the DX future.

The above cities can also double as the dilapidated, abandoned urban centers. Some areas could be abandoned or quarantined as a result of global warming and viruses carried by termites or mosquitos. Since the buildings were already very old, they will actually be coming down... not just crumbling a little as in NY or Paris.

If we include an Asian city, Tokyo would definitely be cool. But I don't really mind if they skip it this time around.

Definitely put in a US city. And definitely not New York. Been there, done that. Washington DC sounds has plenty of recognizable landmarks. I've been to about half the states, and no other city stands out as much in my memory as DC. Hopefully, DX will achieve the same effect.

Finally, I expect the same share of military installations, research facilities, factories, ghost towns, etc.

BUT: Igoe makes a good point. I enjoyed the arctic level in DX:IW the most. Not because it's white and bland, but because it was unexpected, spooky and exotic.

-=fox=-

05-13-2008, 03:15 AM

New Orleans vs Fema

lightbringerrr

05-13-2008, 09:25 AM

New Orleans vs Fema

HA-HA!!! LOL!

Helios_Denton66

05-13-2008, 05:18 PM

jcp28

05-13-2008, 05:38 PM

Buying multitools from a store might sound like a good idea, but then, the whole realism factor might be debatable. So maybe the amount of multitools you can buy should be limited somewhat. But I kind of like it, because it might make you consider on what exactly to spend your money when it's tight. It shouldn't be common though, that would ruin the game. Maybe one store per city could carry it.

DXeXodus

05-13-2008, 08:29 PM

3) Surprise us.

Thats what Warren Spector said to Harvey Smith about how the sequel to DX1 should be. We all know how that turned out. It did indeed surprise us.
But you do make a valid point, and here is hoping that we are surprised, but in a good way this time.

Also there should be flying, including jet-packed NPCs..

I dunno about that :scratch:

Apollonius

05-13-2008, 11:02 PM

Anywhere with a European or Russian setting would be cool. Kinda like Half Life 2. Weren’t the Russians the ones who were supposed to have developed the technology for the black market biomods in DX:IW? It would be nice to get some history into that. :D

My favourite level in DX was the Vandenberg Labs where we meet Gary Savage and the crew. There were elements in that level in particular for all types of gamers so I’d love to see more of that!

lightbringerrr

05-14-2008, 06:19 AM

To be honest, Cities should be big like in Dx1, Hong Kong was pretty small. I also think there should be a better physics engine, like you throw a very heavy barrel of explosives in the water, It just floats. Also there should be flying, including jet-packed NPCs. Also, you should be able to walk into a store (like a media) and buy multitools from the owner. and about wooden doors with infinate strengh...

Don't forget to put Gordon Quick on top of the round skyscraper in Wan Chai!
They stashed him there during one of the missions in Hong Kong. If you go in to 'Fly' mode, you'll see him on top of the building.

rhalibus

05-14-2008, 03:28 PM

ikenstein

06-27-2008, 01:38 AM

Jerusalem (no Illuminati style story is complete without involvement from Israel.)

great idea! hows about istanbul as well? (aka constantinople/ byzantium) istanbul is all mixed up with the knights templar and grail stories.

athens would also be cool.

as would rome / vatican city

Professional No Lifer

06-27-2008, 02:05 AM

I hope they will make a few levels in ghetto style, something peripheral. They should add bums, rats, burning barrels, graffiti on walls, old buildings on the edge of collapsing, thugs that try to mug you, beggars, destroyed vehicles, underground hideouts and gangs (just like the subway level in Deus Ex), riots on the street, ruined buildings, piles of garbage etc. They should keep the atmosphere to a cyberpunk look, just like in the first game. Contemporary design with a few SF elements.

As for locations, I would go for anything from Hawaii Islands to Himalaya cliffs, as long as they include that cool atmosphere that was in Deus Ex and many NPC's to interact with.

PNL

Coliphorbs

06-27-2008, 02:47 AM

On the subject of the Atomium building: It may look cool on the outside, but it's a VERY bland and boring building inside. Very confined, and little to no room for a smart level design.

That said, Bruxelles/Brussels will be an amazing place for a story in the flavor of DX. Not only is it a beautiful, intricate city - it's also a meeting place of many international powers.

Any self-respecting conspiracy story should also include Jerusalem - and religion will be a part of it, like it or not. Most conspiracies have their roots in religion (and vice versa); Of course it doesn't have to focus on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but I wouldn't mind seeing it. Part of the original Deus Ex charm was how relevant parts of it were to modern day issues.

I'd also like to see Rome or, more specifically, infiltrate the Vatican's more forbidden areas.

Greece or Turkey could be interesting as well. And I'd like to revisit Hell's Kitchen, of course...

..All that said, I'd really wish DX3 will just pretend IW never happened. Not only was it a terrible story, it turned a frighteningly realistic image of the very near future of our own world into the god damn Jetsons.

Mand'alor The Unholy

07-14-2008, 10:54 PM

They should to include a place of controversy. Like Area 51 in the first game. Somewhere in these forums I heard Chernobyl pop up. Maybe a possibility. There are a lot of unknown zones in Russia courtesy of the cold war. But maybe some other places in Germany, like one of the old castles. It'd be kinda like the Cathedral in Paris. Definately someplace in Hong Kong though. Key events happened in Hong Kong before the events in the first game. If the third game is a prequel I can easily see how HK would be a place we'd visit.

Oym

07-15-2008, 12:06 AM

1 ) New York of course !
2 ) Chicago !
3 ) Los Angeles + Honk Kong !

urban_queen41

07-15-2008, 12:17 AM

I agree with Professional No Lifer- one of my favourite parts of DX was New York, Hell's Kitchen, and how the game illustrated the effects of poverty and the Grey Death. Going through Hell's Kitchen with all the sick, poor people around had a really special atmosphere. The game just had such a unique tone, you could really feel the poverty and desperation oozing through the whole level. Part of this was the inhabitants of the city, of course- I remember how disturbing it was to hear a sick man in pain begging you to kill him in Battery Park.

Somewhere in Asia would be awesome- if not Hong Kong then Tokyo.And Chernobyl sounds like a great idea.

Oym

07-15-2008, 12:29 AM

Indeed , seing poor people around was part of the atmosphere .. I hope we'll find it again .. I also hope that most of the missions will be during night , like in Deus Ex 1 where all of them are ..

Chernonyl is a great idea ! What about Moscow ?

gamer0004

07-15-2008, 07:26 AM

I remember how disturbing it was to hear a sick man in pain begging you to kill him in Battery Park.

I always knock him unconsious. Then he has no pain anymore, but I can't kill him. That'd be bad. Because there will be a cure in a few days.

Oym

07-15-2008, 07:52 AM

Yeah I just do the same thing .. It's smarter than the alternative .. :)

a_noise_severe

07-15-2008, 09:32 AM

what about montreal? i was reading about it and the underground city on wikipedia, it looks so cool...

Oym

07-15-2008, 10:24 AM

I'd like to see Paris destroyed ( and especially without the Eiffel Tower ) ..

For a change actually .

Romeo

07-19-2008, 12:13 AM

Paris, France.

Area 51, Nevada (Or Roswell, New Mexico)

Vancouver, Canada (as I'm sure René will agree with)

And just for kicks, the Lost City of Atlanta.

Oym

07-19-2008, 12:35 AM

In my opinion , Paris destroyed would really be a great idea ..

Like people are used to seeing it in all its splendor , we should change it :)

CarloGervasi

07-19-2008, 02:40 AM

New York
Los Angeles
Hong Kong

Romeo

07-20-2008, 03:05 AM

In my opinion , Paris destroyed would really be a great idea ..

Like people are used to seeing it in all its splendor , we should change it :)

Careful, big brother is always watching. That kind of talk usually ends up with a 9X9 bedroom and a girlfriend named Frank.

Bravehart

07-20-2008, 02:42 PM

HouseOfPain

07-20-2008, 04:47 PM

Paris, France.

Area 51, Nevada (Or Roswell, New Mexico)

Vancouver, Canada (as I'm sure René will agree with)

And just for kicks, the Lost City of Atlanta.

I personally never liked the whole "Alien" thing in the Deus Ex Universe...

*shrugs* but I can go with it.

EDIT: Did you say Atlanta?

Romeo

07-20-2008, 09:46 PM

Watch Futurama, you'll understand what I'm talking about. Needless to say, there will be plenty of mermaids and Coca-Cola poisining. =)

lightbringerrr

07-20-2008, 09:53 PM

Watch Futurama, you'll understand what I'm talking about. Needless to say, there will be plenty of mermaids and Coca-Cola poisining. =)

I'm IN!!!
Hooray; we're USEFUL! WUB-WUB-WUB-WUB-WUB-WUB-WU!!!!! :lol: :nut: :lol: :lmao:

Oym

07-21-2008, 12:22 AM

As long as they don't forget New York it's okay for me :o .

jordan_a

07-21-2008, 07:19 AM

Not the postcard New York though...

lightbringerrr

07-21-2008, 08:20 AM

Not the postcard New York though...

Amen. Who wants to explore Giuliani's 'disneyfied' 42 Street / Times Square? Not Me.

Romeo

07-21-2008, 08:02 PM

I'm IN!!!
Hooray; we're USEFUL! WUB-WUB-WUB-WUB-WUB-WUB-WU!!!!! :lol: :nut: :lol: :lmao:

I'm Zoidburg: Homeowner!

*Several minutes later*

"No my house burned down under water!"
"That makes no sense..."
"Hey that's where I left my cigar!"
"THAT MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE!"

iWait

07-21-2008, 09:14 PM

There were no aliens in the DX universe, the grays were genetically engineered by VersaLife.

jcp28

07-22-2008, 07:40 AM

That's if you count out what was found in the Roswell crash though. Granted, those "aliens" weren't in-game, but that was kind of a base for MJ12 research. Sorry, but the idea of cows and monkeys being the genetic basis for Greys just make me want to...grrrrrrrr

lightbringerrr

07-22-2008, 07:49 AM

I'm Zoidburg: Homeowner!

*Several minutes later*

"No my house burned down under water!"
"That makes no sense..."
"Hey that's where I left my cigar!"
"THAT MAKES EVEN LESS SENSE!"
Zoidberg RULES!
It's too bad the pilot sucked, otherwise I would have been watching since the beginning. Thankfully, the funny channel shows re-runs every night.

Scadvid

07-22-2008, 09:03 AM

And just for kicks, the Lost City of Atlanta.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

But please, no Atlanta. Charleston (big naval base there) or even Savannah (the new bridge is pretty) has more character and more exotic.

Romeo

07-22-2008, 11:48 PM

Zoidberg RULES!
It's too bad the pilot sucked, otherwise I would have been watching since the beginning. Thankfully, the funny channel shows re-runs every night.
Zoidburg is pretty fly, for a crab-guy.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

But please, no Atlanta. Charleston (big naval base there) or even Savannah (the new bridge is pretty) has more character and more exotic.
But what if the city was underwater, with hot, steamy mermaids?

Scadvid

07-23-2008, 12:02 AM

But what if the city was underwater, with hot, steamy mermaids?

Atlanta underwater? It's so dry that it wants to steal water from even other states! If they even think about running a pipe from the Savannah river, that's going to be a fight worth remembering. ****

If they want to drown, let them drown in their smog.

I'm a native Georgian, so have little love for the capital and how it tries to interfere with other cities and their growth (like hogging resources to themselves, and keeping for 40 years Savannah and Augusta apart to gain more political power).

Romeo

07-23-2008, 12:04 AM

Atlanta underwater? It's so dry that it wants to steal water from even other states! If they even think about running a pipe from the Savannah river, that's going to be a fight worth remembering. ****

If they want to drown, let them drown in their smog.

I'm a native Georgian, so have little love for the capital and how it tries to interfere with other cities and their growth (like hogging resources to themselves, and keeping for 40 years Savannah and Augusta apart to gain more political power).
Gah, you must watch Futurama. After you do, you'll want Atlanta in the game too! lol

MyImmortal

07-26-2008, 05:39 AM

Hehe, I love Futurama! :cool: :D

Spiffmeister

07-29-2008, 01:45 AM

Australia - The only part Australia plays in the first DX is having two minor characters you meet outside the Lucky Money, so lets have more of Australia! :cool:

Venice, Italy - Venice it's old, surrounded by (if not in) water and sinking. It would make a perfect setting for some old conspiracy group (the illuminati). Also the fact that it's made up of islands would make it a large area. Finally, has a great atmosphere. :)

Liberty Island, USA - Maybe the most memorable areas of DX1. The game could visit the founding of UNATCO? or perhaps be part of the bombing by Silhouette on the statue?

Freddo

07-29-2008, 02:17 AM

1. Shanghai - A modern financial capital.

2. London - Show the effects of global warming, with the rising water levels.

3. Dubai - Just purely to see an impression of how it will end up after all the oil dries up.
Good choices :)

I really don't want to return to Liberty Island, New York. The place was explored already in DX1 and ruined in DX2. There's no reason to return there. To turn Liberty Island into some kind of Deus Ex tradition only because it's "cool" is a lousy reason. The place is done, time for something new.

I want something like Hong Kong again. Large place with many NPCs, party places, city gangs, apartments to explore and, of course, a top secret corperation facility. It's perfect.

The location doesn't really matter much, but I want 3-4 cities like that in DX3. One in asia (Shanghai, Seoul, Osaka), one in Europe (London, Venice) and one in North America (Chicago or whatever), and then some place else (Dubai).

jcp28

07-29-2008, 07:40 AM

Liberty Island, USA - Maybe the most memorable areas of DX1. The game could visit the founding of UNATCO? or perhaps be part of the bombing by Silhouette on the statue?

Silhouette didn't bomb the statue, UNATCO or someone other MJ12 arm framed them.

lightbringerrr

07-29-2008, 07:51 AM

Good choices :)

I really don't want to return to Liberty Island, New York. The place was explored already in DX1 and ruined in DX2. There's no reason to return there. To turn Liberty Island into some kind of Deus Ex tradition only because it's "cool" is a lousy reason. The place is done, time for something new.

I want something like Hong Kong again. Large place with many NPCs, party places, city gangs, apartments to explore and, of course, a top secret corperation facility. It's perfect.

The location doesn't really matter much, but I want 3-4 cities like that in DX3. One in asia (Shanghai, Seoul, Osaka), one in Europe (London, Venice) and one in North America (Chicago or whatever), and then some place else (Dubai).

Yep; no more Liberty Island. Chicago go bye-bye in IW; not possible to visit unless you like wandering around nano-destroyed wasteland.
More Tracer Tong-time in Asia; Tong Cool.
Bring back Savage; Savage Cool. ReinClone-ate Walton Simons. Simons MUCH fun to piss-off and spar with; ALWAYS good time killing Simons!
Bring back snotty French Dumier. The more chances I get to kill this French weasel, the happier my world is! DEATH TO FROGGY!!!:nut: :lol: :lmao:

Freddo

07-29-2008, 07:55 AM

Chicago go bye-bye in IW; not possible to visit unless you like wandering around nano-destroyed wasteland.
Oh right, didn't think of that.

Jimmy Rabbitte

07-29-2008, 08:16 PM

Somewhere in Germany. Gotta have the original Bavarian Illuminati show up in some way.

Maybe that can tie in with switzerland. They have a lot of banks there. Bank conspiracy?

Russia is a must as well. Russia's just a cesspit of corruption.

Maybe we can play in South America as well. There's always room for Communists that the american government want to assassinate.

Japan is a must as well. Japan is just the paragon of technological advancement, especially IT.

Yep; no more Liberty Island. Chicago go bye-bye in IW; not possible to visit unless you like wandering around nano-destroyed wasteland.
Unless DX3 turns out to be a prequel which seems very likely given the nature of the teaser trailer.

HouseOfPain

07-29-2008, 08:20 PM

lightbringerrr

07-29-2008, 08:56 PM

Unless DX3 turns out to be a prequel which seems very likely given the nature of the teaser trailer.

Mmm...possible, but daddy says:
NEGATORY!
Don't forget; there is such a thing as disinformation. The only reason to go 'prequel' is if you need to eliminate the endings of DX1 and IW as canon, so you can make many more games in the series.
This would also assume that 'DX3' is just a working title. In the "Worst God-Awful Case Scenario", we'd end up with something in the pitiful realm of:
'DEUS EX3: ASCENT TO TECHNOCRACY', or some such nonsense accumulating in a final scene where agents like Gunther and Anna are shown being wheeled in to surgery to get their mech-limbs.
Who knows what the merry, happy hell these people are up to? That BLOG can't get here fast enough.

DXeXodus

07-29-2008, 09:15 PM

How about good old South Africa :D

Jimmy Rabbitte

07-29-2008, 09:19 PM

Yeah I just remembered the "We do not welcome augmented people" sign from the trailer. I don't know how it'll be a sequel to IW though since all four endings are extremely different and uncompromisable.

How about good old South Africa :D
South Africa doesn't really have much political, economic, or cultural clout to be as internationally relevant as some of the previously featured locales. There's pretty much no way of saying that without sounding like an ass. :P

DXeXodus

07-29-2008, 09:28 PM

South Africa doesn't really have much political, economic, or cultural clout to be as internationally relevant as some of the previously featured locales. There's pretty much no way of saying that without sounding like an ass. :P

I was being semi-sarcastic when I said that :)
But I would tend to disagree. South africa is full of political, economic and cultural issues that make for very interesting subject matter. Many issues with the police force and the special force units (Scorpians), it's relationship with Zimbabwe, recent Xenophobic uprisings, etc. It has been in games before (Soldier of Fortune is one of them). Many terrorists hail from our beautiful country and there has been some run-ins with regards to nuclear weapons manufacture by domestic individuals.

Not saying it should most definitely be in DX3, just saying it could be :p

lightbringerrr

07-29-2008, 09:35 PM

I was being semi-sarcastic when I said that :)
But I would tend to disagree. South africa is full of political, economic and cultural issues that make for very interesting subject matter. Many issues with the police force and the special force units (Scorpians), it's relationship with Zimbabwe, recent Xenophobic uprisings, etc. It has been in games before (Soldier of Fortune is one of them). Many terrorists hail from our beautiful country and there has been some run-ins with regards to nuclear weapons manufacture by domestic individuals.

Not saying it should most definitely be in DX3, just saying it could be :p

It would be great for a modern-day 'Gears of War' type-thing.

Cr4sh

07-29-2008, 11:54 PM

In my opinion the locations need to fit in the story line, so I'll just let Eidos surprise me. But Liberty Island would be really cool. Maybe if it's a prequel you're the one that blows her head off? XD

In the first DX I just thought "OMG, please not Area 51..." but I had to go there :mad2:

Alternative Ending

08-02-2008, 11:09 AM

If the game is a sequel, then I'd most like to see as a location...

1) the Lunar colony that was mentioned in Invisible War. It would be great to visit the Moon as a futuristic location for a change.

2) Russia - so you can see where the Omar were created.

3) London maybe?

And also I'd like to see them at UNATCO again, although it will probably have been redecorated as the Helios/Denton Aquinas base. But we just HAVE to see it again because Liberty Island is where it all started and where it must always come back to.

If the game is a prequel I'd like to see...

1) Roswell/Area 51 again because obviously the cloning vats are there and that's where all the creepy research happens, like making Grays.

2) Los Angeles, because it probably won't have been destroyed yet - in Deus Ex 1 at the Gas Station JC mentions to Sandra Renton that she's out near the RUINS of LA. How'd it get ruined? A big quake or something more Deux Ex consipratorial?

3) Cape Town maybe? Just for a change.

Also I'd like to see them on Liberty Island again because we can finally find out what kind of terrorist attack blows off the statue's head. Maybe you could even be the one that does it in some dystopic ending that leads to the seeds of Deux Ex 1's world. Plus like I already said - Liberty Island is some kind of nexus that keeps drawing back Deus Ex characters.

Jimmy Rabbitte

08-02-2008, 11:24 AM

Actually I changed my mind. They should implement some sort of wild goose chase for, say, half of the story. You have to chase down some character and it takes you to all sorts of places in the world like South Africa, Dubai, Azerbaijan, China (Not HK, the REAL China!), and maybe like.. greenland or the south pole or something.

Clucky

08-02-2008, 12:56 PM

2) Los Angeles, because it probably won't have been destroyed yet - in Deus Ex 1 at the Gas Station JC mentions to Sandra Renton that she's out near the RUINS of LA. How'd it get ruined? A big quake or something more Deux Ex consipratorial?

I believe in the Deus Ex bible it states that there is constant conflicts between various warring groups in the southern states. I believe Texas was going to be a level at one stage, in early development, and it was supposed to be somewhat of a wasteland. I would source this, but I'm too lazy to go through the pretty extensive document. But if you google it, and can find it on gamespot, I suggest you read it as it develops your understanding of the universe further, and provides context for the scope of the first game. :)

Absentia

08-02-2008, 02:56 PM

London would be awesome if they had good voice acting for it =P (The Lucky Money Club - oh GOD.)
I liked Dr. Nassif's voice from IW.

I guess this is rather biased considering I live there, but to me I'd me way more interested just to see how all the technological advancements fit in there, and the gloomy lower-classes.
And don't try and show English people as bubbly, well-spoken people or with terrible cockey accents.

I think crime would be a big aspect in London. As I'm sure a lot of British people here are probably aware, in the last year or two, London has started to turn into a bit of a crimezone due to poorly educated, ambitionless, knife/gun-welding teenagers. It'd be prety cool to see a gritty, dirty and unsafe rendition of the city for once. There definitely seems to be more dangerous things walking the streets of London than just businessmen and tourists.

timborg

08-02-2008, 08:55 PM

australia
salt lake city
scotland

lightbringerrr

08-03-2008, 02:02 PM

australia
salt lake city
scotland

salt lake city

To quote Lord Vader:

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"!

Well ok, maybe. But ONLY if I get to destroy the '2-Steps Removed From Scientology'-contingent ONCE AND FOR ALL.

I am NOT joking.

jcp28

08-03-2008, 04:18 PM

salt lake city

To quote Lord Vader:

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"!

Well ok, maybe. But ONLY if I get to destroy the '2-Steps Removed From Scientology'-contingent ONCE AND FOR ALL.

I am NOT joking.

That was out of the blue. Where would you go in Salt Lake City, the main Mormon temple? It's not exactly a big city.

lightbringerrr

08-03-2008, 04:24 PM

That was out of the blue. Where would you go in Salt Lake City, the main Mormon temple? It's not exactly a big city.

That's good; it will help me get to my mission objective MUCH quicker.

timborg

08-03-2008, 08:40 PM

That was out of the blue. Where would you go in Salt Lake City, the main Mormon temple? It's not exactly a big city.

yeah but there is a major neaclear power plant and and paricale exalerator and and thye try to devlop cold fossion there

lightbringerrr

08-03-2008, 09:14 PM

yeah but there is a major neaclear power plant and and paricale exalerator and and thye try to devlop cold fossion there

And who, pray tell, runs this little show?

urban_queen41

08-03-2008, 10:41 PM

Australia could be cool- maybe a reunion with the Lucky Money girls? =P

Seriously, though, Australia could be interesting.

lightbringerrr

08-03-2008, 10:53 PM

Australia could be cool- maybe a reunion with the Lucky Money girls? =P

Seriously, though, Australia could be interesting.

NOW YOU'RE TALKING!

My Kingdom to watch our new character say "Suuure" every time he buys those skeezers a drink! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

urban_queen41

08-03-2008, 11:10 PM

NOW YOU'RE TALKING!

My Kingdom to watch our new character say "Suuure" every time he buys those skeezers a drink! LOLOLOLOL!!!!!

Haha! Those Lucky Money girls made me laugh so much- especially the terrible Aussie accents- 'Thayanks fer letting may eeen' xD

The devs must have had so much fun making that scene. Girl: Bet you've got some moves I haven't seen before. JC: There's only one way to find out...

lightbringerrr

08-04-2008, 12:11 AM

Haha! Those Lucky Money girls made me laugh so much- especially the terrible Aussie accents- 'Thayanks fer letting may eeen' xD

The devs must have had so much fun making that scene. Girl: Bet you've got some moves I haven't seen before. JC: There's only one way to find out...

I'm sure you're aware of the phrase "happy accidents"( and also the name of the last good Doughboys record ).
That's what makes DX1 so much fun! You KNOW that the whole interplay between JC and the girls was pretty much Afterthought At It's Greatest. There's a certain level of "Hey, we're just trying to make a great game here" that exists in DX1; they were not afraid to step out and infuse a bit of their own personalities in to the environment they were creating.
Obviously, following it up in IW killed a lot of that spontaneous creativity due to the personal/financial pressure that the team allowed themselves to be swayed by.

timborg

08-04-2008, 12:39 AM

And who, pray tell, runs this little show?

the sceincfic community and the american gov

J.CDenton

08-04-2008, 01:03 AM

I'd say:
-Paris
-Berlin
-Tokyo
-A Gaz Station
-Abandonned City
-Underground labs
-A university full of hackers (just immagine the one from the Big U by Neil Stephenson)
-A subway station

Demiurge

08-05-2008, 07:33 AM

Dubai- The potential is huge; Massive buildings, Futuristic atmosphere, Plenty of different adversary choices, plenty of money.

London- Possible due to the relationship between US/UK would give our protagonist reason to visit. Chance to see the London eye? Erm, shoot pigeons in Trafalgar Square? Walk around the dodgy end of Soho?

Moscow- Possibly the most needed one of all. Russia is currently gaining huge amounts of power and it would be interesting to see how this manifests 40 or so years on, plus it would give you the chance to fight the elite 'Alfa' unit. Would give us a chance for a reunion with out favorite sailors :D . It would also provide us with an inexhaustible source for DX-themed Russian Reversal Jokes. Plus there would be Vodka.

DXeXodus

08-05-2008, 07:56 PM

I have to agree with Moscow. It is a very complex country full of material to inspire a Deus Ex game.

And, when there is Vodka, there is drink spilling

Demiurge

08-06-2008, 01:02 AM

IN POST-SOVIET RUSSIA, DRINK SPILLS YOU!:p

teknikal-vision

08-06-2008, 08:24 AM

2. Australia - Where groups of survivalists have camped and trained for so long, waiting for the rest of the world to destroy itself, that some of them have even begun taking a more active role in the process.

Australia is a place that definitely needs to be exploited as a location.

Has anyone here heard of Pine Gap?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap
http://www.fas.org/irp/facility/pine_gap.htm

Located 20kms from Alice Springs, it's apparently part of (SIGNIT) a collection and analysis network operated on behalf of the five signatory states to the UK-USA Security Agreement (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States, known as AUSCANZUKUS).

It is believed to be home to one of the largest ECHELON ground stations - that's right the REAL Echelon! :D Echelon is basically a surveillance system used to intercept communications and satellite signals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

It also apparently is run by the CIA.

Creepy eh? Deus Ex enough for ya?

Reminds me of Vandenburg and Area 51.

Them photos do make me think it'd be a great isolated location in a game like Deus Ex; imagine the possibilities of what's below the surface? It's a great place to explore in fiction! Let the speculations and conspiracy theories begin!

For example...allow me to make up some random ideas...

Most people haven't heard of Pine Gap, and Australia doesn't ever seem to be the most well-equipped or sinister country. But what if it isn't? I mean, Australia appears so tame and non-hostile to the rest of the world that it's the perfect cover for sinister plots for world domination and the likes! LOL Australia seems so technologically lacking too, [our broadband and internet is so crappy here it's unbelievable!] so it'd be an interesting notion if the public Australian image projected towards the rest of the world has been maintained this way in order to hide insane amounts of technological advancements and research in conjunction with powers like the USA.

The perfect cover. It's always the ones you'd least expect... LOL

Oh and imagine some isolated pub or abandoned cattle station in the middle of the Australian desert, used in a similar way to the Gas Station hostage rescue of Tiffany in the first Deus Ex!

But then again, Australia is not all deserts. Melbourne -my home city- is a great looking place. You think Sydney looks good? You ought to see Melbourne.

I'd like to see an Australian city in a game, just to show to the rest of the world we're not all pubs, kangaroos and bushland!

DarkStorm

08-06-2008, 08:53 PM

Nice thread. A poll for this would be nice.

My 3 choices, right off the top of my head:

Vatican City.
Sydney.
Moscow.

O-Lee

08-06-2008, 09:36 PM

Actually I would like to go to every city in the world in Deus Ex 3 ^^ so the game would never end. why not make it an online RPG?

Someone said Washington D.C I also think this would b a good idea. I thought there were plans for the first game to go go the white house, or was it another game?

Another town I would like to see is Zurich (Switzerland). Maybe in some part of the story there could b a connection between the Knights Templar, Illuminati and a Swiss Bank. ^^ (And it would b cool to see my hometown in the game :D )

Another new town I would like to see in the game is Prague (Czech Republic). Just because it's beautiful and it could b connected with some historical part of the game.

I wouldn't mind going back to Hong Kong, Paris and of course the Statue of Liberty. That's where this great game series started after all. :cool:

René

08-07-2008, 10:08 AM

Has anyone here heard of Pine Gap?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap
http://www.fas.org/irp/facility/pine_gap.htm

This is spooky stuff! I like looking into things that are right under our noses but we take for granted. Like, you just get used to something being there and don't really question it.

nkepke

08-08-2008, 11:43 AM

1. London, and yes effected by climate changed would be AWSOME!

2. Some far away wide-spread terrain with a village. Maybe in Siberia, North-America or Himalaya.

3. Rome

4. Maybe... Dubai?

Romeo

08-08-2008, 01:27 PM

Very classy picks, nice.

timborg

08-12-2008, 12:29 PM

i have to agree with teknikal vision with it should be in Melbourne because it is better than sydney in every way and the people you will plat deus ex:3 if the location was sydney they might get confused and they might think they were in hong kong. any one in nsw or around the syndey area will get that ;) and i mean no offence to anyone.

Romeo

08-12-2008, 08:20 PM

I AM SO OFFENDED.

I wouldn't mind going to the moon as well, to the Illumnati's sanctuary that was mentioned at one point. It'd be cool to see Earth off in the distance, a la Mass Effect.

gamer0004

08-12-2008, 08:35 PM

Oh, BTW, NASA is after all planning on building a moonbase... They had the idea in the seventies but then it got aborted. But now they want to try it anyway. Another DX reality come true.

Romeo

08-12-2008, 08:39 PM

I'm a wee bit skeptical. I expect I'll be dead by the time it's constructed. But it's cool that they're thinking of doing it again. =P

gamer0004

08-12-2008, 08:40 PM

I think they planned it for 2020. So unless you'll be dead in about 15 years... :P

Vadim Verenich

08-13-2008, 12:39 PM

It will be nice to pay an hommage to developpers' own country? I think Niagara Falls would be a neat place to star with.

Romeo

08-13-2008, 08:36 PM

I think they planned it for 2020. So unless you'll be dead in about 15 years... :P
You've obviously never seen my driving.
It will be nice to pay an hommage to developpers' own country? I think Niagara Falls would be a neat place to star with.
...Or Montreal... lol

K^2

08-13-2008, 11:02 PM

Lunar base, for sure. Needs to have 1/6th gravity, etc.

Also some big city. Don't care which one, as long as you really feel the size. So far, the limited size of maps prevented that from coming entirely true.

Demiurge

08-13-2008, 11:44 PM

Moonbase eh? Wasn't that left out of the original DX and switched instead for Area-51? Oh well this will be interesting to see.

"Welcome to my Moon Base Mr Denton, I plan to fire a "LASER BEAM" at earth, and there's nothing you con do to stop me (maniacal laughter)":p

Helios_Denton66

08-14-2008, 12:00 AM

Deus Ex 1 was one one of my favorite games.

I really think liberty island would be good. Maybe Manhatten underground would be a good Idea as a secret area. I also think to Germany...;) ;) Oh, and Somewhere in japan would be a good Idea.

jcp28

08-14-2008, 07:25 AM

Moonbase eh? Wasn't that left out of the original DX and switched instead for Area-51?

Area 51 was always going to be a part of DX. They only took the Moonbase out along with Texas because those levels couldn't be developed properly within the development cycle Eidos had.

LatwPIAT

08-14-2008, 10:03 AM

Personally, I'd like a huge 2001-esque space station, (Insane AI optional.) Where gravity is present because of rotation, so it will be possible to walk completely around the space station, even if this is done by linking several maps in a chain.

In addition, think of the possibilities. You have to get to the Very Important Object (let's say a cryonically frozen body whose DNA is used as a key) and one corridor has an airlock accidentally open, so you must close the airlock via hacking or electronics or fighting you way to a button or whatever, allowing you to go further.

I'd also like to visit someplace in Russia, especially Moscow, allowing for conspiracies spanning from the cold war, walking beneath the Red Square, et al.

Romeo

08-14-2008, 05:22 PM

St. Petersburg.

Moon Base is a definately in my books though. =P

B0b_P@ge

08-14-2008, 06:28 PM

I AM SO OFFENDED.

I wouldn't mind going to the moon as well, to the Illumnati's sanctuary that was mentioned at one point. It'd be cool to see Earth off in the distance, a la Mass Effect.

Sweet! I agree totally and have been advocating this for so long... check out my discussion on this topic here: Outer-Space Levels (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=74809)

Romeo

08-14-2008, 09:26 PM

I feel compelled to check out your other thread...

But on topic, anyone else notice that Russia and space have been mentioned by nearly everyone in this thread?

gamer0004

08-14-2008, 11:53 PM

Yes, but not everyone mentioned space in a positive way...

El_Bel

08-15-2008, 05:43 AM

Russia(anywhere as long as the map has interesting characters to interact. From a small vilage with old man talking about how they served in the X war, to the night life of Moscow with whores, drugs, gun traders, secret police and everything else imaginable)
Swiss: Head of the banking system. Country of money laundering. Also banks are very close related to knights Templar, the Illuminati and numerous other conspiracies. What i dont understand is why they have problems with the jews lately. I could come up with a conspiracy about that but here we have some strong Jewish lob.. i mean strong anti racism laws and i could end up in jail for mentioning that they are behind something bad :p

Demiurge

08-16-2008, 10:45 AM

Thanks JCP, good to know. Methinks we need a more definitive poll on the places we have a general agreement on. Hmmm, I have an Idea.

TrickyVein

08-19-2008, 03:43 AM

Daytime levels anyone? Cairo almost broke new ground being set at dawn. I know it's not apart of the theme to be playing at daytime - it would be new.

What about a dynamic skybox like the ones in the Jak series for ps2? Being able to watch the sun rise or the moon trek across the sky as missions progress in one location?

And what about rain, snow, or excessive amounts of greasy smoke, a la Blade Runner? ATMOSPHERE people!!!

Demiurge

08-19-2008, 04:08 AM

DXeXodus

08-19-2008, 04:36 AM

For games of recent years, STALKER is the reigning atmosphere champion. This is because the entire game was made by Russians and Ukrainians and was set in their own region, the citizens know their country best. Can't wait for Clear Sky.

I could not agree with you more. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is an awesome game. Pity that the Clear Sky release has just been delayed by a week.

Demiurge

08-19-2008, 06:42 AM

I could not agree with you more. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. is an awesome game. Pity that the Clear Sky release has just been delayed by a week.

Really? WHY??? AFTER THE ORIGINAL WAS DELAYED FOR SO DAMN LONG!:mad2:

xiaokiraa

08-19-2008, 07:13 AM

1. Rhyl (Wales)
2. Gaza
3. Zimbabwe

DXeXodus

08-19-2008, 07:52 PM

Really? WHY??? AFTER THE ORIGINAL WAS DELAYED FOR SO DAMN LONG!:mad2:

I said it was a pity, not a tragedy :)

1. Rhyl (Wales)
2. Gaza
3. Zimbabwe

Those are some refreshing ideas

xiaokiraa

08-20-2008, 06:01 AM

Those are some refreshing ideas

I am looking at a post apocalyptic view of Deus Ex 3 and those locations :D

René

08-20-2008, 07:31 AM

Hasbro has announced the cities that will be on their “World edition”. http://purplepawn.com/2008/08/20/monopoly-world-edition-city-preview/

http://jergames.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/world_edition_cities.jpg?w=315&h=600

Demiurge

08-20-2008, 11:00 AM

DXeXodus, I know that was a bit of an overreaction, but I hate delays, especially when I have been expecting them. "I am a patient man. But not That patient".

True, Gaza is a pretty post apocalyptic place. If we go to Zimbabwe the Inflation would be so high we would be looking at some pretty high figures for weapons in Zimbabwean currency. It's unofficially at 8million% atm!:eek: And as for Wales... well we are old enemies.

Jerusalem on the other hand would be a good setting for Deus Ex 3, the Holy city for 2 Major religions (Christianity and Judaism) and the City containing Islam's 3rd holiest site. In a few years, who knows what will happen there.

ewanlaing

08-20-2008, 03:09 PM

Key areas for me are

Russia: Home of the Omar, so should be a cool place to visit wether the game is a prequel OR a sequel.

London: Cause it's just an important city, and It's also not too futuristic, so it would provide an interesting look.

Tokyo: Cause it's ALREADY futeristic and would provide good contrast to my previous idea.

CJRamze

08-20-2008, 04:20 PM

Jerusalem
London
Tokyo

Dubai (Think of the towering landscape)

Keep it real though, Don't go too futuristic.
The thing that always kept me stuck to the screen is that liberty island and hells kitchen LOOKED like the places DX2's locations were small crappy and undetailed.

Azrepheal

09-22-2008, 02:58 PM

I said London before, and while at the time I meant 'normal, ground level' London... 'global-warming-affected' London would be a pretty awesome idea. Completely flooded, civilians essentially squatting in any skyscrapers that reach higher than the water, with unsteady walkways fashioned between them.

And on that note, why not a SUNKEN liberty island? I know a lot of people are against going back (MJ12 base - at least theres a reason to want to go back!) but I think it would be a rather iconic moment - taking a boat out and approaching the Statue's neck, just above the water line :D

K^2

09-22-2008, 03:08 PM

And on that note, why not a SUNKEN liberty island? I know a lot of people are against going back (MJ12 base - at least theres a reason to want to go back!) but I think it would be a rather iconic moment - taking a boat out and approaching the Statue's neck, just above the water line :D
I don't see how. Place isn't sunken pre-IW and there is no Statue of Liberty in the post-IW DX world.

TR Underworld will have underwater areas, though. I wonder if Montreal team will want to utilize Crystal Dynamics' underwater capabilities for DX3 as well.

van_HellSing

09-22-2008, 03:09 PM

That's impossible, since it's a prequel :rasp:

Instead, how about letting us witness the attack on the statue? :cool:

Azrepheal

09-22-2008, 03:22 PM

I don't see how. Place isn't sunken pre-IW and there is no Statue of Liberty in the post-IW DX world.

Damn I forgot about that. Well... maybe... it sunk, and then they rose it in time for DW:IW with giant balloons.... ah nevermind.

El_Bel

09-22-2008, 06:16 PM

In a few years, who knows what will happen there.

Αcording to DX bible, after a pan-Arabic invasion, Israel state exists no more(a happy ending for Palestinians. They will not get killed every day. But then again by then they might be all dead anyway. :whistle: )

I second Jerusalem!!

K^2

09-22-2008, 09:07 PM

Instead, how about letting us witness the attack on the statue? :cool:
Just witness?

Mr Wally

09-22-2008, 09:24 PM

I don't know if anybody's suggested this, but I think it would be pretty cool to go to some of the cities mentioned in-game as emerging power centers. (Lagos, Nigeria, springs to mind.) Maybe Istanbul also? Lots of history, big and crowded, near a major fault line and an important strategic area. You could have fun with it.

Lo Bruto

09-22-2008, 09:44 PM

Hong Kong.

Lazarus Ledd

09-23-2008, 02:24 AM

Split
Prague
Versailles

ThatDeadDude

09-23-2008, 02:34 AM

A lot of people are suggesting European-type cities, but I'm not too keen on those myself. My favourite parts in the original were crawling around in the dirt in Hell's Kitchen and Hong-Kong, with lots of hidden places in amongst the skyscrapers. European cities are too clean and clinical for my liking - even the ancient ones! ;)

jordan_a

09-23-2008, 02:52 AM

European cities are too clean and clinical for my liking - even the ancient ones! ;)Oh you have no idea. :D

van_HellSing

09-23-2008, 02:55 AM

You've got to be kidding. Or you only ever saw the representative parts of European cities. There's a lot of dirt, trash and seedy districts.

3nails4you

09-23-2008, 07:57 AM

I picks:

1. Space station!!! Or at least a Mars colony...
2. NYC (not like Hell's Kitchen, but basically Manhattan in general)
3. Berlin

Romeo

09-23-2008, 09:07 AM

You've got to be kidding. Or you only ever saw the representative parts of European cities. There's a lot of dirt, trash and seedy districts.
Yeah, I remember looking for Trafalger Square, I someone ended up in the red light district with some addict. And my shirt was missing... Anyways, long story short, I don't mind Europeen cities as long as they're unique from eachother.
I picks:

1. Space station!!! Or at least a Mars colony...
2. NYC (not like Hell's Kitchen, but basically Manhattan in general
3. Berlin
Oh god, you're really kicked the hornet's nest now. lol

gamer0004

09-23-2008, 09:23 AM

Yeah, I remember looking for Trafalger Square, I someone ended up in the red light district with some addict. And my shirt was missing... Anyways, long story short, I don't mind Europeen cities as long as they're unique from eachother.

Oh god, you're really kicked the hornet's nest now. lol

A Mars colony isn't that unrealistic... Besides I believe there was supposed to be one in the DX 'reality'.

Romeo

09-23-2008, 09:24 AM

There is, and it's not, but last time this topic was brought up, in split the community for awhile so everyone could attack eachother. lol

dxfan94

09-23-2008, 05:35 PM

Romeo

09-23-2008, 08:40 PM

What about the Peace Arch (a monument very close to Seattle, marks the border between the US and Canada), it would be an ironic place for a gunfight, no?

jordan_a

09-24-2008, 01:57 AM

I liked the DX maps but you got lost way to easily. The maps in Iw were ok and very balievable:scratch:

ThatDeadDude

09-24-2008, 08:51 AM

You've got to be kidding. Or you only ever saw the representative parts of European cities. There's a lot of dirt, trash and seedy districts.

Haha, sort of kidding - though I haven't been to mainland Europe I have lived in one of the dodgier parts of London... What I was trying to emphasise is that there's a certain feel to what I know about European cities, that doesn't mesh so well with my views of the better environments for DX. I guess it's the smaller number of mangy skyscrapers (other than council housing and so on).

El_Bel

09-24-2008, 12:37 PM

I liked the DX maps but you got lost way to easily. The maps in Iw were ok and very balievable. Id like to go back to Seattle and search the city. Maybe the black gate agian. Uhh lets see russia too.

Oh a nice little troll.. How cute!!!

K^2

09-24-2008, 10:42 PM

I got lost on one of the maps in DX too. Then I remembered to turn my monitor on.

DXeXodus

09-24-2008, 11:00 PM

Deus Ex 1's maps were far from overly complicated. They allowed for a little something called freedom and exploration. Maps come with most of the levels too, which make things easier.

Romeo

09-25-2008, 09:13 PM

DXeXodus

09-25-2008, 09:45 PM

Was it not you that said "this is not a democracy!" ? :D

Romeo

09-25-2008, 09:52 PM

SILENCE PEASENT, THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY!

And fine, if it's not, I side with the underdog and everyone has to shut up or feel my wrath. I still win. lol

minus0ne

09-25-2008, 09:56 PM

Woah people. I don't know if you're aware of this, but we have this fangled thing called the freedom of speech. You don't need to bash the poor guy for his opinion. You can disagree, but don't go after the guy.
Please, point me to the paragraph in the International Internet Constitution where it says we can't hunt down trolls and flamebaiters and bur.... errr I mean, tar and feather them? :D

Oh wait there's no such thing, FREE FOR ALL!

Hey, if US soldiers never even heard of the Geneva conventions (they don't even know it's illegal to shoot a wounded person), I get to break some troll balls, at least, no? :p

3nails4you

09-26-2008, 05:41 PM

I just think it fits along with the gameplay and such (especially from the first game) if you have to go around the entire station to avoid one breach only to find a way to seal the breach on the other side of it. The first game was always like that (love it). There's a camera/turret I MUST get by, and right on the other side of it is the panel to deactivate it. lol

dxfan94

09-26-2008, 07:52 PM

Woah people. I don't know if you're aware of this, but we have this fangled thing called the freedom of speech. You don't need to bash the poor guy for his opinion. You can disagree, but don't go after the guy.

Thank you since evryone here seems to hate my opinion. I stick to this.

Deus Ex 1's maps were far from overly complicated. They allowed for a little something called freedom and exploration. Maps come with most of the levels too, which make things easier.

Ok true but in the level where you kill Herman around the church i spent like 1/2 an hour running in circles. I had to look online for help

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Romeo

09-26-2008, 09:54 PM

Chill a wee bit boy-o, it's all over now, no need to keep going. We'll all move on. =)

gamer0004

09-27-2008, 12:32 AM

Ok true but in the level where you kill Herman around the church i spent like 1/2 an hour running in circles. I had to look online for help

Yeah I remember that... Had a bit of the same problem. I had jmped off the bridge (I was at that time quite frightend of MJ12 commandos :rasp: ) but ended up somewhere and I had no idea where. Lockpicked a door to get inside as fast as I could (bots were patrolling there). Then just continued. Eventually I find my way. But not until my thrid or fourth runthrough I knew exactly where to go :D . But I kinda liked that. I hate elaborate cave systems and the like in games, having no idea where to go and getting lost. But I never had that problem in DX. Even the Cathedral was (but only just) okay in terms of complexity.

dxfan94

09-27-2008, 05:46 AM

It just seemed to me that Dx had a bit too complex maps. The one where your in a subway tunnel and you go underground you kill the Fema guy. WOW that took me a while to navigate. And yes Im semi sorry for my rant but you people hopefully can understand my frusteration

3nails4you

09-27-2008, 08:13 AM

dxfan94

09-28-2008, 04:54 AM

that one yes but ugh i forget. when your in the subway and you go even deeper. its like an NSf hide out

3nails4you

09-28-2008, 05:49 AM

that one yes but ugh i forget. when your in the subway and you go even deeper. its like an NSf hide out

The mole people then...no FEMA people down there, at least I hope...

Big Orange

10-06-2008, 08:42 AM

The location of Shanghai seems very interesting and promising, with a wealthy upper city built on stilts above a poorer lower city. The city for the elite would feel very clean and safe, but also sterile and lacking in personality in most ways. The lower city would have more of a history and character, although it would feel dangerous and have grinding poverty. You should see that being repeated in most urban areas.

teknikal-vision

10-06-2008, 07:05 PM

The location of Shanghai...The lower city would have more of a history and character...

And not to mention the fact that Shanghai was colonised by the British, American and French up until WWII (I think) and so it's got heaps of London-eqsue and Western architechture.

(was watching Spielberg's Empire of the Sun when I remembered this :D)

DXeXodus

10-06-2008, 08:06 PM

Another possible location that I think jordan_a spotted (correct me if I'm wrong) is Detroit. In one of the scans of the Policeman, we can see it on his arm badge. I don't live in America so I wouldn't know, but what is there in Detroit that is Deus Exy? (For lack of a better word)

general kane

10-07-2008, 03:52 PM

1-dubai : dubai is famous city in the middle east and it is very modern like , besides much more company attention has ben rising it may be in the future the next world financial capital , and also the release of the new TR game :D .

2-warzones: a war zone might help the combat system in the game .

3-scotland : scotland .

Abram730

10-08-2008, 09:18 AM

EU: France or Germany

Asia: Japan or china
perhaps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtO2CM3OLCI

Middle East, Dubai or Abu Dhabi
perhapse their planned vertical city(1.5 miles tall)
http://www.pushpullbar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9274

DXeXodus

10-08-2008, 09:28 AM

[QUOTE=Abram730;853871]
Asia: Japan or china
perhaps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtO2CM3OLCI
QUOTE]

Not sure about those seeing as they are already using Shanghai....

Abram730

10-08-2008, 09:38 AM

An intercontinental train hub using reduced to zero air presure in the tubes to gain higher speeds.

There would be no speed limit without air resistance if pressure was lowered to zero. You could travel so fast that you'd age slower.

van_HellSing

10-08-2008, 09:46 AM

Asia: Japan or china
perhaps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtO2CM3OLCI

Not sure about those seeing as they are already using Shanghai....

Which, coincidentally, is in China :p

ThatDeadDude

10-08-2008, 10:03 AM

Abram730

10-08-2008, 08:12 PM

I personally tend to disagree with the mentions of places such as Dubai. Admittedly, I've never been there, but it seems to me to not really by claustrophobic enough for a Deus Ex game... there's too much space between the buildings...

It really depends on the story and what type of locations that are being looked for. But not really being claustrophobic enough? Take another look.

I figured a middle east location would be looked at.. so I offered one that would have many buildings and interesting features. Dubai is investing heavy in infrastructure. It's their goal to be the trading center of the world, to rival Singapore and Hong Kong as a business hub, and surpass Las Vegas as a leisure capital all in one place.. "Dubai is the fastest growing city in the world, one-third of the cranes in the world are currently being used to build in Dubai."

This game does take place in the future.

satalite images 1973, 1990, 2006
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/dubai_l7_2006284.jpg

a few note worthy projects.

largest waterfront development in the world.
300 artificially created islands in the shape of the world.
The worlds tallest hotel. Considered the only '7 star' hotel.
Hydropolis, the world's first underwater hotel.
the largest amusement park collection in the world
The Dubai Mall will be the largest shopping mall in the world
the largest indoor skiing facility in the world.
The largest bridge in the world.

http://www.dubai-architecture.info/DUB-GAL1.htm

Dubai IS building a space port just in case you didn't believe that link..
http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/060222_techwed_spaceadventures.html

Dubai 'shape-shifting skyscraper' unveiled(video)
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/25/duibai.tower/index.html#cnnSTCVideo

bridge
http://www.designbookmag.com/article/viewhtml/crossing-dubai

Rich people and global corporation are moving there also because there is zero tax.

Now the other reason I mentioned it was that the construction is new and will have CAD blueprints. Dubai is interested in being thee biggest tourist designation in the world and I'm sure they would love the city showcased in a game. So with a pitch, Eidos could get CAD's and or possibly investment.

I'm just tossing it out there.

Abram730

10-08-2008, 08:13 PM

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Asia: Japan or china
perhaps http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtO2CM3OLCI
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Not sure about those seeing as they are already using Shanghai....

I didn't know about that location being chosen.

DXeXodus

10-08-2008, 08:24 PM

Which, coincidentally, is in China :p

I am aware of that. I just wanted to point out to him that a specific location had been chosen in the category he had made. :)

Big Orange

10-10-2008, 08:13 AM

Abram730

10-16-2008, 01:19 PM

Dubai is a potentially interesting place, although it would likely take place within several big compounds or skyscrapers, since the city as a whole doesn't seem terribly interesting.

A more interesting location is a very shabby London, with giant flood barriers, the once pleasant suburbs turned into decaying shanty towns, a derelict London Underground, South London a warzone, and the elite barricading themselves within the West End of London, like they did in Children of Men.

Speaking about facilities.. perhaps a facility or small research city in Iceland and linked to Russia. a short map to find the location of a research facility in Russia.

I say that because Russia became quite starved for creativity. My instincts tell me they were looking for a place to help them advance. Iceland just had an economic collapse and Russia stepped in. Perhaps Iceland will end up working with Russia in research/technology and such. Speculation on my part but it makes sense. Perhaps the early stages of Omar in 2027.

Tracer Tong

10-16-2008, 02:00 PM

Bermuda Triangle... Some conspiracies of an "area 52", anyone?

gamer0004

10-17-2008, 01:33 AM

I am aware of that. I just wanted to point out to him that a specific location had been chosen in the category he had made. :)

And then (apparently the devs loved IW and probably never even played DX1) decided to come up with yet another lame "above is rich, below is poor" concept.

Don't take me too serious, but this game really shouldn't have been called "Deus Ex". I know I'm going to enjoy the game in itself immensely, but it's not anything that should come near to being called DX.

JakePeriphery

10-17-2008, 05:00 AM

1) Tokyo, Japan

2) New York City, New York

3) Washington D.C.

AsukaoYl

10-17-2008, 08:02 AM

New York - Streets
Italy - Rome

A random location, like the gas station in California from Deus Ex 1. Something that will just make you go damn this game is deep!

Frog

10-17-2008, 12:22 PM

1. Los Angeles
2. Tokyo
3. Hong Kong

piippo

10-17-2008, 04:23 PM

United States/North America, Europe, Asia. It's not so important as what the actual places are, but more on that we get to see different places.

IwantedOrange

10-19-2008, 11:08 AM

I would quite like Liberty Island to feature in DX3.

Yes. Just can't imagine a (real) Deus Ex without the State of Liberty. This Location should be included as well as the deep underground Levels and Laboratories. It would be like a cold, nostalgic infusion for the heart of real deus ex fans :-)

I personally don't like old-fashioned Cities with Rennaissance architecture in such a futuristic world like deus ex. They're like two conflictive colours in an outfit.

GmanPro

10-27-2008, 08:50 AM

I don't think that the middle east is a good idea. At first I thought of Dubai just because it has been growing at an incredible rate. But even so, its just not cyber-punk enough to be in a Deus Ex game. :thumbsup:

cudlla

10-27-2008, 02:10 PM

1. I would like to see cyber punk Prague.
It is very historical city, I wonder how it could look like in CP style. Old castles and holographs (I'm not sure about this word, laser comercials, and so on). In realy big scale.

2. Night City (who read Neuromancer knows). A city filled with black market, human trash and drugs. Perfect place for business.

3. Dubai. Hi-Tech, clean city with skyscrapers and beatuful enviroment.

I hope that cities in Deus Ex 3 will be realy giantic, so you will have to use map some times.:D

spm1138

10-27-2008, 02:23 PM

Istanbul.

Tstorm

10-27-2008, 03:15 PM

Not to be arsey but I really dont care WHAT the locations are as long as they are BIG and EXPLORABLE.
Even the tiniest hint of those minature shoe box levels from IW will have me on a plane to Canada....

Agreed, the explorability is what made me come back to DX after I was 4 and played the game. The next time I played it I was 13 because I couldn't forget how good it was. All the secret areas and places like Hong Kong. StormFront is correct.

Tstorm

10-27-2008, 03:18 PM

Yes. Just can't imagine a (real) Deus Ex without the State of Liberty. This Location should be included as well as the deep underground Levels and Laboratories. It would be like a cold, nostalgic infusion for the heart of real deus ex fans :-)

I personally don't like old-fashioned Cities with Rennaissance architecture in such a futuristic world like deus ex. They're like two conflictive colours in an outfit.

Wrong. We don't have to revisit Liberty Island just because it was in DX 1. If you ask me, show me some new areas. Pleasing some fanboys that want another complete copy is unacceptable. If you want to play on liberty island, i suggest you buy/reinstall the game and replay level one. (oh and dont forget to unlock the secret med bot near the docks, the one I missed the first 3 times i played it but found it on the 4th time)

minus0ne

10-27-2008, 11:27 PM

Yes. Just can't imagine a (real) Deus Ex without the State of Liberty. This Location should be included as well as the deep underground Levels and Laboratories. It would be like a cold, nostalgic infusion for the heart of real deus ex fans :-)

I personally don't like old-fashioned Cities with Rennaissance architecture in such a futuristic world like deus ex. They're like two conflictive colours in an outfit.
Wait, so whereas this is a prequel to the original Deus Ex (which did feature "old architecture", in the 2050s), you dislike the idea of this style, even tough Cyber-Renaissance is going for something in the 2020s?

I'll wager you've never played IW then - which, sadly, actually did conflict with the Deus Ex feel, in part because everything was too futuristic and everyone lived in skyscrapers or arcologies.

Come to think of it, your entire post can be said to be "like two conflictive colours in an outfit." :p

DXeXodus

10-27-2008, 11:45 PM

I agree MinusOne. I think it is naive to think that there will be no Renaissance architecture in 18 years time. A lot of these buildings are protected by serious heritage laws which will probably keep them going strong for many decades to come. It is however, not really appropriate if all of the buildings are like this, which I don't believe is the case based on the screenshots we have seen so far.

I think that the style that has been presented to us so far by the guys at Eidos Montreal has been much more appropriate and fitting to a Deus Ex game than Invisible ever was.

Abram730

10-28-2008, 01:15 AM

Wait, so whereas this is a prequel to the original Deus Ex (which did feature "old architecture", in the 2050s), you dislike the idea of this style, even tough Cyber-Renaissance is going for something in the 2020s?

I'll wager you've never played IW then - which, sadly, actually did conflict with the Deus Ex feel, in part because everything was too futuristic and everyone lived in skyscrapers or arcologies.

Come to think of it, your entire post can be said to be "like two conflictive colours in an outfit." :p

The haves and the have not's. There should areas that are clearly left behind without any new construction. A dilapidated grand old city. Very gritty. New York was that way. surrounded in a sea of misery where life just goes on as normal and those shining cities that are new.. away from the suffering masses.

If there an up city down city sort of thing.. there should be a strong contrast and a visible conflict.. as in if there aren't security check points to keep the poor out of high end places then it's not believable.

The Olympics
http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2008/08/10/vanishing_act/

There should be at least one old grimy cluttered city without any new buildings. fire escapes, allies, bums, drugs, drunks, dive bars, ext..

dr_niz

11-09-2008, 11:15 AM

Regardless of the location, I would love to experience a location, travel across the globe, and return later to find the location fundamentally (and unexpectedly) changed by something tied from the story (or perhaps your decisions). This harks back to The Legend of Zelda: OOoT where the seven year gap was both disturbing and awesome in its severity. There, a world you knew and loved was changed to the core.

I realize that this example doesn't fit DX on a number of levels but the premise loosely applies.

2030

11-09-2008, 01:39 PM

Ok first thing that comes to mind is:

New York and Japan, maybe Russia: Moscow!, primarily heavy urban atmospheres--slums, upper class, city underground--concentration of commercial business/market/entertainment districts = good cyberpunk eyecandy. Another infiltration of some secret government facility, Area 51 anyone?

(I'm also thinking about tensions between the upper and lower classes in the game--since they mentioned how the upper class lives literally above the lower class--this idea could lead to a good side story and introduction of neo-revolutionary organizations to blend in with the climate of Deus Ex 3.)

Proto-NSF anyone? Though I hope the devs are two steps ahead of me on this one!

Now to get a little crazy, I noticed someone posted a thread about outer space.. get this:

Moon base/city.:lol:

2030

11-09-2008, 01:46 PM

1-dubai : dubai is famous city in the middle east and it is very modern like , besides much more company attention has ben rising it may be in the future the next world financial capital , and also the release of the new TR game :D ..

I love the idea of Dubai!

A re-visit to Hong Kong can also turn out good for the same reasons Dubai would.

lightbringerrr

11-09-2008, 03:02 PM

A Dutch Whorehouse.

Sank-you, sank-you very much.

Tagon

12-02-2008, 07:21 PM

Well, since I generally don't like revisiting places you already have been to in a sequel (or, in this case, a prequel), I won't list any of the places we have already seen in DX1 or 2.

Following economical logic combined with some guesses about what would be supportive for the story and the atmosphere, I would suggest three regions:

- (Western) Europe (which will still be wealthy and technologically advanced 20 years from now)
- (South, Southeast or East) Asia (with it's emerging economical and military powers India and China)
- Arabia (with its rich emirates and the (steadily declining) oil reserves)

I admit, I left out Russia, but considering my arguments above, it could possibly replace India oder China.

So, the next question is: In these three regions, which cities would I personally like to see in the game (while also considering if they would make sense in the story and the atmosphere)?

For Asia: Dehli or Bombay (as many of you already suggested) would be nice. These are big cities, where economic growth and massive poverty appear side by side. It would be interesting to see if that resulted in dire consequences 20 years from now.

For Arabia: Well, I don't have a preference. Let it be Riadh oder Dubai. I am no expert in the region, I just think that a city in this region should be included.

For Western Europe -and here comes the big surprise: I would love to see Heidelberg in the game. Yes, I know, we already had Trier in Deus Ex 2, and another german city would possibly be overkill, and yes, partly I prefer Heidelberg because I'm german.
But there are some factors, which, in my opinion, favor Heidelberg (some of them would favor Prague as well):

-> it is not a city we have already seen in a game before. We have seen Paris (in Deus Ex 1), London (several games), Berlin (what would a good WWII game be without Berlin?) and Moscow (okay, thats NOT Western Europe :)) Given the architecture, Heidelberg is an interesting combination of ancient and modern style.
-> it's a city which most Americans (and also many people in Europe and Asia) already have heard of and which is still home to over thousand US soldiers. It would be very interesting to see if they are still present 20 years from now.
-> the university is well-known and has a high reputation across Europe (especially the medical faculty). So it would seem quite logical that the city is one of the centres of the technological revolution taking place in Deus Ex 3.

Well, there are still some other (minor) arguments for Heidelberg, but I don't know if I could express them properly in English and I don't want to be misunderstood. :)
And no, I don't live there - I was in Heidelberg two times in my entire life, but the city is somewhat...mysterious and fascinating. I think it would be a great location for Deus Ex 3.

APostlELite

12-02-2008, 09:39 PM

I definitely love Hong Kong and New York; DX1 made these places awesome!

The third place I would like to go beside the top two would be London, or somewhere interesting in UK.

Yargo

12-03-2008, 07:04 AM

Since the game has a renaissance theme why not visit a developed first world Africa. Fresh slate for a really cool city :D :thumbsup:

3nails4you

12-03-2008, 08:13 AM

Now to get a little crazy, I noticed someone posted a thread about outer space.. get this:

Moon base/city.:lol:

We had a big discussion about this somewhere earlier in the thread, although it was about a Mars colony. There is a base on Mars in the DX reality, and it would be sweet to go there. However, tying it in to being on earth would be tough without a 9-month story jump just to get there, not to mention coming back (if necessary) unless we develop teleportation technology. The moon, however, does make more sense as far as distance. I do hope to see, if neither of those, a space station of sorts come into play during the story.

Joseph Manderley's Corpse

12-03-2008, 08:13 AM

Boston

Philly

Christchurch

NK007

12-14-2008, 09:02 AM

Firenze\Rome - crucial! This is where Renaissance happened originally and if it isn't featured in the game, something big will be missing. Big fight in the Colosseum? Sneaking in the Forum Romano? etc.

Berlin - less crucial, just my favorite city. We can see where Gunther came from and how he was before being turned into the terminator, this would be the "cleaner" city of the game, more industrialized, less crime in the streets, etc.

Jerusalem - diggings have started under Israeli martial law in the temple mount and a huge conspiracy discovery was made. Also we could see Anna before she got augmented, probably overseeing the digging.

(gotta have a 4th) - Russia - St. Peterburg or Moscow - now controlled by Nazi-like right wing extremists (as there seems to be generally a lot of those in Russia), where the ethnic races are suffering and you can either help an Antifa-like organ. or help the government be depressive.

Also, when we see Anna and Gunther, they should be really nice, caring, compassionate, beautiful, etc., so that it's apparent how much sacrifice they made.

Kaigypsy

12-14-2008, 04:31 PM

:) Everyone had such slamming ideas and reason why to include one city or another. So...here's mine.

Liberty Island-
Without beating the dead horse I do not think we even hit upon what was really going on there. However a trip back would have to include some great reason like perhaps its the headquarters related to the new character's path after the destruction of his company.

Russia (Either Moscow or St. Petersburg)-
I did not see it mentioned but I also did not do a real hard search like I normally do. I believe Russia should be hardcore involved due to its size, remote locations outside the major cities and of course one of my favorite all to short onscreen characters, Juan Lebedev. I want to know more about him in the worst way. I want to know what would turn him into a "terrorist". What drove him to that point? Did he know Paul and JC's parents prior to the boys or was he backing research on say Illuminati, etc etc. I dunno, something tells me he was more than just some rich guy.

IAWTC that Middle East needs to be worked in somehow. I also dig the idea of having some traditional music in the background. That makes for game sweetness factor, IMO.

London-
London is old OLDY mcOld. You can't convince me that under this city one could not put like in NYC a network of tunnels, command centers, big time secret stuff could not be worked in. Perhaps London can take the place of NYC since we have been there done that. I'm not sure though since not all of NYC was explored just the area round the docks and such.

Rome- Especially if the Vatican is involved which would be sad if it was not considering what MIGHT be there for interested Templers and such. Besides, am I the only one who to wander around making mischief or bothering the Pope. :D

Meteor Crater-
Looks innocent enough with all the flat land, trailer/RV park nearby and the exploration center. But what if it was more than that under the red rock?

The Grand Canyon-
The Canyon is 277 miles long, over a mile deep in some places with a width of 4 to 18 miles across. A great place to build then easily conceal a secret laboratory or base for experimental projects. There are places still in the Canyon nobody knows what is down there or how to get there.

Ok the last two are because I have been there, they are visually stunning yet humbling all at once. Plus this actually crossed my mind while I was at these places. Lame, I know.

Canada-
I'm not super familar with what is modern and what would fit the "depressed" feeling of DE but I'm all for hitting up our neighbors to the North. Maybe we can squeeze Alaska in there for ****s n giggles?

Honorable mention-
Abandon Military Bases
Four Corners, NM
Bermuda Triangle
Bimini Road
Romania
Brussels (that building is AWESOME-gotta be a way to work that in!)
Berlin (to apologize for Trier)
Philly (a city that old has to have more than brotherly love. How about secrets between brothers?)

That's it. Thank you! :wave:

spm1138

12-14-2008, 04:41 PM

London is old OLDY mcOld. You can't convince me that under this city one could not put like in NYC a network of tunnels, command centers, big time secret stuff could not be worked in. Perhaps London can take the place of NYC since we have been there done that. I'm not sure though since not all of NYC was explored just the area round the docks and such.

London does have tunnels under it!

There's WW2 era stuff, cold war era stuff, connections to the London Underground, post office tunnels...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterranean_London#Defence

http://www.londonphotos.org/archives/churchills_bunker_london_open_house_day.html
http://www.derelictlondon.com/id1490.htm

http://www.mailrail.co.uk/

etc.

lightbringerrr

12-14-2008, 04:43 PM

I am totally down with The Bermuda Triangle!

Kaigypsy

12-14-2008, 05:39 PM

London does have tunnels under it!

There's WW2 era stuff, cold war era stuff, connections to the London Underground, post office tunnels...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterranean_London#Defence

http://www.londonphotos.org/archives/churchills_bunker_london_open_house_day.html
http://www.derelictlondon.com/id1490.htm

http://www.mailrail.co.uk/

etc.

OT here but now I have even more reasons to visit London during the Olympics in 2012. :D :group_hug:

simonm

12-15-2008, 12:55 AM

Haha! Those Lucky Money girls made me laugh so much- especially the terrible Aussie accents- 'Thayanks fer letting may eeen' xD

The devs must have had so much fun making that scene. Girl: Bet you've got some moves I haven't seen before. JC: There's only one way to find out...

Same here!!! As an aussie those girls were hilarious.

As much as I'd like Australia to feature somehow I don't think we're really that relevant on the international conspiracy stage! About the only thing that could feature from Aus is the Echelon station at Pine Gap! For those who don't know it's in the middle of the desert not far from Alice Springs.

The way things are heading in Russia atm (ie a return to Stalinism led by Putin) I think somewhere in Russia is a must! Maybe not Moscow but somewhere interesting like Vladivostok or Sakhalin?

In X-Files/Nazi fassion maybe invent a military base in Antarctica? (The Nazis claimed part of Antarctica called New Swabia). Some say New Swabia was never formally defeated!

Paris, London seem likely contenders also.

Digitaldruid

12-15-2008, 02:33 AM

oh dear no one here mentioned Beirut,Warsaw,Mumbai,Athens. most of these cities would be perfect place to initiate a conspiracy.

Alai

12-15-2008, 06:59 PM

Mars

Mr. K

12-15-2008, 07:03 PM

^^ It's been done. Lets go to Titan! :nut:

rockyrr

12-16-2008, 06:40 AM

New York
Liberty Statue
London / Paris / DC
Brsil
A country in the Balkans;)

SteelRomano

12-16-2008, 12:01 PM

Kahlell

12-19-2008, 04:02 PM

1. Seattle
Okay, I'm biased, I live in Seattle, but I see two good reasons. One, it was In invisible war so it would kind of be cool to see it in a 'new light." Two, Seattle is one of the top three technological capitals of the world, I could see some major high-tech augmentation corporations/labs there.

2. Tokyo
One of the other huge technological capitals of the world. The Japanese are likely to solve many of the worlds energy problems with their already nearly fully developed alternative energy technologies. It would also be cool to see the differences (or lack thereof) between Shanghai (China) and Tokyo (Japan), given the huge cultural differences.

3. Antarctica
VersaLife had to start sometime, why not its beginnings/precursor to VersaLife. Some of the early "ethically challenging" genetics/transgenics projects could certainly be here, plus vast fields/chasms of ice are always a cool battle.exploring environment.

Jaken

12-28-2008, 12:11 PM

http://blogs.bootsnall.com/JamesM/files/2008/01/syd_op2.JPG

oh yes.

NK007

12-29-2008, 02:47 AM

Atlantis.

El_Bel

12-29-2008, 03:24 AM

Berlin - less crucial, just my favorite city. We can see where Gunther came from and how he was before being turned into the terminator, this would be the "cleaner" city of the game, more industrialized, less crime in the streets, etc.

Jerusalem - diggings have started under Israeli martial law in the temple mount and a huge conspiracy discovery was made. Also we could see Anna before she got augmented, probably overseeing the digging.

Also, when we see Anna and Gunther, they should be really nice, caring, compassionate, beautiful, etc., so that it's apparent how much sacrifice they made.

And what if we kill Anna or Gunter?

NK007

12-29-2008, 03:56 AM

a_noise_severe

12-29-2008, 06:20 AM

somewhere in scandinavia might be nice and a bit different.

Radius86

12-29-2008, 09:11 AM

Then later we'll see that they've actually been damaged or something, and then they are being "maintained" with new parts of sumfin'. Anyway, I really like to see a young, overzealous Gunther. Non-augmented at all, or with very little augs.

While I think that would own, according to the Deus Ex Bible he'd probably be either be an infant or still very young to be threatening as a character. IT would certainly give me a chuckle of Gunther turned up as one of those kids that talks for a candy bar, in retrospect though :rolleyes:

Interesting point though in seriousness. How old would Hermann be in DX1? Not much older than JC, I'd say. I'd say 35 or so, not much more. Even though he keeps going in for maintenance.

And as for this particular thread

1) Liberty Island: I get the feeling that this one will be a given. The first game started with it, the second one ended with it. Not just because it was a main base for UNATCO, or the source of the Aquinas Protocol. It's more to do with what LIberty Island stands for. Freedom, or lack thereof in the country. I think its going to play a vital role in the third game. We might even see the original bombing of the statue by the (possibly then very young) Northwest Seccessionist Forces.

2) India: Good enough reasons for it. A lot of public terminals and datacubes in the first game talk of the nuclear war with Pakistan, and personally under these times, as an Indian I'd be more than a little curious to see how it could play into a Deus Ex universe.

3) St. Petersburg: Because cyberpunk would work in such architecturally strong locations.

4) I'm not too hot on this whole space station/moon idea. I think it might be a deviation thats TOO far off radar with the kind of world politics and conspiracy theories of this game.

NK007

12-29-2008, 09:33 AM

While I think that would own, according to the Deus Ex Bible he'd probably be either be an infant or still very young to be threatening as a character. IT would certainly give me a chuckle of Gunther turned up as one of those kids that talks for a candy bar, in retrospect though :rolleyes:

Interesting point though in seriousness. How old would Hermann be in DX1? Not much older than JC, I'd say. I'd say 35 or so, not much more. Even though he keeps going in for maintenance.

And as for this particular thread

1) Liberty Island: I get the feeling that this one will be a given. The first game started with it, the second one ended with it. Not just because it was a main base for UNATCO, or the source of the Aquinas Protocol. It's more to do with what LIberty Island stands for. Freedom, or lack thereof in the country. I think its going to play a vital role in the third game. We might even see the original bombing of the statue by the (possibly then very young) Northwest Seccessionist Forces.

2) India: Good enough reasons for it. A lot of public terminals and datacubes in the first game talk of the nuclear war with Pakistan, and personally under these times, as an Indian I'd be more than a little curious to see how it could play into a Deus Ex universe.

3) St. Petersburg: Because cyberpunk would work in such architecturally strong locations.

4) I'm not too hot on this whole space station/moon idea. I think it might be a deviation thats TOO far off radar with the kind of world politics and conspiracy theories of this game.

Gunther always struck me as pretty old and experienced. I'd actually give him 42-43 at least. Anna a little younger, though. Either way, for some reason I would not like to see Tracer Tong... he kinda annoys me. But those 2... a must.

Big Orange

12-29-2008, 08:50 PM

This hotel room (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7795601.stm) is very Deus Ex. I like to see oval/circular shaped rooms and for the enclosed middle classes working and living in giant corporations.

john.macready

12-30-2008, 01:18 AM

Almost nothing to say. You already mentioned many great locations. I would like to see again places i remember from DX, maybe it would help to build this great athmosphere from first part, but i realise that almost imposible. Maybe after DX3, we could play again DX in new incarnation, just as it happend in Tomb Raider Anniversary, so leave old location in peace, until then...
For me DeusEx was an extraordinary experience and i did't found a game with so much sophisticated story/plot like DX. I think DX3 should follow tha path we know from the great ancestor. Show us places that are mixture of modernity and ancient history, current technological centers of our planet, ancient cradles of civilisations.
Like someone said:
- Rome would be great, after Paris, it's a good choice,
- Jerusalem is an excelent choice with it's cultural diversity and history,
- New York is a must just for a while, then Washington DC is a logical choice for a big, new location, maybe Boston
- I would like to see Hong Kong, even for a while, even in a cutscene then plot could throw us to Tokio or Shanghai. Taiwan maybe
- (Moscow, London, Berlin where used so many times... boring)
- CERN/Geneva, Switzerland, as a technological facility
- one of the NASA research centers
- Istanbul, Turkey... lot of possibilities...
- Budapest, Hungary...
- Langley, Virginia (including Air Force Base)

And all this locations should have this futuristic feel like Los Angeles in Blade Runner

Big Orange

01-04-2009, 03:07 PM

I liked to scale the side of a snowy mountain and find a remote military facility similar to this (http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2007/06/06/rubber-fortresses-for-a-bomb-defense/).

Also this looks like an interesting place to visit:

http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/NSAHQ.jpg

Sabretooth

01-04-2009, 06:31 PM

First pick would be a location in India, probably Mumbai to illustrate how the whole nuclear bombardment plays out (and probably involves AJ :p ).

Second choice would be a European city, since that is usually how it works. I'd pick Rome for all that Renaissance aesthetic. It wouldn't really make a whole lot of political sense going there though, I don't remember anything particularly interesting going on at Rome. London sounds like a better choice then, or perhaps Geneva.

Third choice would be the Moon: In Deus Ex, there's talk of China trying to establish a lunar mining colony. Perhaps there is a conspiracy behind it, and AJ gets involved in it as always. :p With Shanghai confirmed in the game, that sounds likely.

nsf001

01-05-2009, 05:04 AM

teknikal-vision

01-14-2009, 08:16 AM

I'm gonna act like a complete patriotic Australian idiotic 'tard and bring up my post from ages ago:

Has anyone here heard of Pine Gap?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_Gap
http://www.fas.org/irp/facility/pine_gap.htm

Located 20kms from Alice Springs, it's apparently part of (SIGNIT) a collection and analysis network operated on behalf of the five signatory states to the UK-USA Security Agreement (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom, and the United States, known as AUSCANZUKUS).

It is believed to be home to one of the largest ECHELON ground stations - that's right the REAL Echelon! :D Echelon is basically a surveillance system used to intercept communications and satellite signals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECHELON

It means we could have another isolated desert location that isn't in Nevada or New Mexico for a change. Also, no-ones ever really explored it in fiction. And it is relevant 'cause it's actually a CIA-run facility and ECHELON was mentioned in DX1. :scratch:

payne

02-11-2009, 01:43 PM

major place that will be politically crucial in the futur is the middle east

think about it

no more oil with an overexpensive price like 1500$ a barrel with huge incomes for the region

the first tourism industry location with the luxuriest complex of the world (see the pharaonic projects of today)

the exponential growth of islam all around the world

so it will be dubai abu dhabi or others like these

WhatsHisFace

02-11-2009, 02:21 PM

AaronJ

02-11-2009, 03:27 PM

I forgot...has New York been confirmed yet?

WhatsHisFace

02-11-2009, 03:29 PM

I forgot...has New York been confirmed yet?

No, but if the story events lead up to the founding of UNATCO, it's pretty much a sure bet.

I'd say "It wouldn't be a Deus Ex game without New York City," but we already have seen that this isn't a Deus Ex game.

AaronJ

02-11-2009, 03:40 PM

No, but if the story events lead up to the founding of UNATCO, it's pretty much a sure bet.

I'd say "It wouldn't be a Deus Ex game without New York City," but we already have seen that this isn't a Deus Ex game.

Rene (no accents on iPhones) says that this can still be a DX game with the mistakes they've already made (or, shown us). I want to believe him, I really do. There's just a ridicupuy low amount of inrortmatijb so far.

Dallen

10-09-2009, 12:27 PM

if i have to chose between three picks or another location i will definitely chose another location. Another location meaning another time as time traveling, The agent must travell back in time like dark ages or inquisition or perhaps ancient egypt or ancient greek to seek old reliks, to assasinate someone who discover the time traveling as well or something like that, back in time in ancient rome etc. But my three picks are: Bucharest because are a lot of streets alot of places where you can search for mission objectives just like in the first or second deus ex; Africa so the agent could search for hidden bunkers in the ground and the last pick is the Amazon jungle searching for millitary bases killing bad soldiers. that will be fun:))

JCpie

10-10-2009, 03:22 AM

London would be fun seeing as i live there and i'd love tokyo too it would be awesome anyone played the redsun 2020 mod? also vietnam would be cool, just like the catacombs in paris we could travel around the underground bases that the vietnamese soldiers lived in during the war.

Arach666

10-10-2009, 06:49 AM

I would be happy to return to some original DX locations such as hong kong,paris(club la porte de l´enfer rules!)and maybe hell´s kitchen.

donnyfranco

10-10-2009, 07:26 AM

@ arach666:
Well some reference to original places like HELLS KITCHEN in deusex3 would be pretty awesome.
On a german forum I read recently that there should be only 5 different major locations - I hope
instead that the game will offer a diverse variety of location just like in DX.

That made the experience pretty cool and encouraged multiple playthroughs!

Besides I definately look forward to a daytime section in the game.
Other locations besides Detroit or Montreal I'd like to see Moskau, Wladiwostok Submarine cemetary,
Bagdad(exotic), New Dheli(busy"Wan Chai" like), San Francisco(Architecture). Places with lots of atmosphere which could be changed to
the future setting in a way that captures the gamer :)

donnyfranco

10-10-2009, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Arach666
Berlin (to apologize for Trier)
I 'll love you for that hehe
Why the Hell Trier?
a god damn roman-founded village along former Limes fortification...
only nice thing was the great Spa - now only ruins existing so no bath at all anymore :(

KSingh77

10-10-2009, 08:07 AM

A place with a nice bathroom and a mirrored floor to look at yourself.

Captain_Angelus

10-10-2009, 05:03 PM

I would want to see these three locations:

1) For an asian link, I would want to see Kyoto, as it has a rich cultural history. There's no reason that it could have retained some of this in DX3, breaking up the whole renaissance thing, and giving the city a bit of variety. Besides, it is perfect to have some high-tech stuff going on under the surface.

2) An trip to Cape Town would add a bit of spice to the game, as you could then explore some of the shadier parts of the city, looking for illicit augs and people who have "gone to ground". This could be an optional side trip to enhance the players skills, but could also be tied in with other things to pad out the background if needed.

3) A secret lab of some description. Perhaps in an area of the Cheyyene Mountain complex or something. Hiding in plain sight, if you will. Besides, apart from people who work there (or have access to the files), who really knows what goes on in there anyway? Seems like a perfect area for a bit of infiltration, then "removing" some personnel or technology from the picture, bringing about the whole DX state of decay. (There by making it ripe for MJ12 to gain some foot hold in the world goverments)

Mind you, these are just spitballed out over a pint of beer, so some of the ideas might be sound enough. ;)

And of course some of the old favourites like NYC and Paris.