Devs- 3 things I think need to be changed for BSM2

[Dave2000]

Since I didn't get to be on that discussion panel for gameplay improvements, here are 3 things which, in my opinion, are the major flaws of the BS:M gameplay.

The developers are always saying that they take note of what is said in the forums, so I hope this post isn't a waste of time. The least you can do is reply with your comments for my suggestions.


In no particular order of importance...


#1 Torpedo bomber AI is useless

They seem to aim for the ends of the ships, and very often miss. As far as I know, it doesn't matter where you hit the ship with a torpedo, just as long as you hit it.

True story: I sent 9 torpedo bombers against the yamato. I launched one myself, but out of the AI torpedos, SIX of them missed. I can't remember how many hit or how many planes didn't get a chance, all I know is that to miss the biggest and one of the slowest moving ships in the game with SIX torpedos, is.....upsetting.


#2 No more magical depth charge view for Destroyers

It's simply unfair. A sub at level 4 is supposed to be safe, invisible. But it's not. Some people will actually follow your sub around in a destroyer waiting until it has to surface so that they can sink it.
How can they do this? Because destroyers had glass hulls??

I understand it adds to the visual appeal of the game, to see what it is you're depth charging, to see the explosions and to see the submarine sink, etc, but it's unfair for the other person. Submarines don't have a magic periscope to let them see what's going on on the surface while at depth four. Other things which would be exciting but unrealistic and unfair would be sea monsters, aliens and nuclear missiles.


#3 Automatic damage control

I think damage control is a good feature, but it detracts from the gameplay when you're in the middle of a duel. Sometimes, if you forget to put all men on water damage, as a precaution at the start of the game, it can lose you the game.

My reasoning is this: if everything on your ship is fine, apart from the fact you've just been "holed", why should you have to manually put all men on water damage, when that is the only logical thing to do anyway?

My proposal is that one should be able to set priorities- i.e., water first, fire second, guns third, or perhaps water first, guns second, fire third. This way the AI will automatically deal with each problem based on what you think is the biggest threat to the well-being of your ship, in the middle of say, a battleship fight.




Sorry if I got a bit carried away. Obviously I'm not a developer, but if I were to come across the same things again in BS:M 2, I would at least expect your reasons why they have been kept.

Keep up the good work, and PLEASE- respond!
Thanks

[VTROOPER]

and grownd attack aircraft and tank war fair to capter i lands wood be good.

[Colosseum]

Sometimes I really wonder what happened to our school system that teaches people to write like VTROOPER.

[MafiaD0N]

Since I didn't get to be on that discussion panel for gameplay improvements, here are 3 things which, in my opinion, are the major flaws of the BS:M gameplay.

The developers are always saying that they take note of what is said in the forums, so I hope this post isn't a waste of time. The least you can do is reply with your comments for my suggestions.


In no particular order of importance...


#1 Torpedo bomber AI is useless

They seem to aim for the ends of the ships, and very often miss. As far as I know, it doesn't matter where you hit the ship with a torpedo, just as long as you hit it.

True story: I sent 9 torpedo bombers against the yamato. I launched one myself, but out of the AI torpedos, SIX of them missed. I can't remember how many hit or how many planes didn't get a chance, all I know is that to miss the biggest and one of the slowest moving ships in the game with SIX torpedos, is.....upsetting.


#2 No more magical depth charge view for Destroyers

It's simply unfair. A sub at level 4 is supposed to be safe, invisible. But it's not. Some people will actually follow your sub around in a destroyer waiting until it has to surface so that they can sink it.
How can they do this? Because destroyers had glass hulls??

I understand it adds to the visual appeal of the game, to see what it is you're depth charging, to see the explosions and to see the submarine sink, etc, but it's unfair for the other person. Submarines don't have a magic periscope to let them see what's going on on the surface while at depth four. Other things which would be exciting but unrealistic and unfair would be sea monsters, aliens and nuclear missiles.


#3 Automatic damage control

I think damage control is a good feature, but it detracts from the gameplay when you're in the middle of a duel. Sometimes, if you forget to put all men on water damage, as a precaution at the start of the game, it can lose you the game.

My reasoning is this: if everything on your ship is fine, apart from the fact you've just been "holed", why should you have to manually put all men on water damage, when that is the only logical thing to do anyway?

My proposal is that one should be able to set priorities- i.e., water first, fire second, guns third, or perhaps water first, guns second, fire third. This way the AI will automatically deal with each problem based on what you think is the biggest threat to the well-being of your ship, in the middle of say, a battleship fight.




Sorry if I got a bit carried away. Obviously I'm not a developer, but if I were to come across the same things again in BS:M 2, I would at least expect your reasons why they have been kept.

Keep up the good work, and PLEASE- respond!
Thanks

I agree on all of those

and grownd attack aircraft and tank war fair to capter i lands wood be good.

Are you foreign or something? Learn to write proper English, I can never understand what the hell you say.

[ElvisNewton]

sorry, his computer only has enough power to maintain an internet connection & render HTML pages properly, there's nothing left over to accept proper keyboard input.
Seriously bro, you gotta do something about that. don't get into such bad habits, you'll make yourself look stupid someday when it matters.
Imagine this email: "Dere sur, I am riting abut da job I sawe on the interwebs. as yew kan cee, eye am high(ly) kwalifyd four the positiiion". They'll think it came from Dr. Nobuto of the Nigerian State Oil & Lottery Company or something.

[xgamerms999]

Sometimes I really wonder what happened to our school system that teaches people to write like VTROOPER.

My setaments exactly.

Imagine this email: "Dere sur, I am riting abut da job I sawe on the interwebs. as yew kan cee, eye am high(ly) kwalifyd four the positiiion". They'll think it came from Dr. Nobuto of the Nigerian State Oil & Lottery Company or something.
I said somthing to that affect before, but nice still.

Also, VTROOPER is from Bothwyn, PA according to his profile here...

Edit:I just looked up Bothwyn, PA on the internet, it is spelt Boothwyn! lol lol

[xgamerms999]

Anyways, back to the topic, my fav. idea was the damage control, but make it so we can do it manuely, and once it has taken care of the other probs, it will set back, make an option so the individual player can choose the priorities. That is all for now.(Dave post this in the BSM2 thread, I'll post a linl in there to here)

[Kai Robin]

I will post these once an approprate question comes up in that forum, as we've already gone through almost 20 it'll probably be near the end when they ask "what are any additional gameplay elements you think could be fixed" or something.

[chip5541]

Quick reply on #1. Have you watched the History channel on the Bismark? That sucker dodged all but 1 torp that was launched from teh first wave of swordfish.

See: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zrVivj9Q5Po&mode=related&search=

[battleshipman]

and grownd attack aircraft and tank war fair to capter i lands wood be good.

Lets keep it in the air and on ( sometimes under) the water, we dont need land battles in a naval game.

[VTROOPER]

My setaments exactly.


I said somthing to that affect before, but nice still.

Also, VTROOPER is from Bothwyn, PA according to his profile here...

Edit:I just looked up Bothwyn, PA on the internet, it is spelt Boothwyn! lol lol

i was mening to fixs that.

[Dave2000]

Quick reply on #1. Have you watched the History channel on the Bismark? That sucker dodged all but 1 torp that was launched from teh first wave of swordfish.

See: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zrVivj9Q5Po&mode=related&search=


Thanks for the reply.
I guess historically they often missed, but was that because they were launched from much further away? I don't know.

All I know is that on the game, if you manage to launch an aerial torpedo against a battleship, without having to "panic launch" it from too far, you'd be an idiot to miss.

[Kai Robin]

Quick reply on #1. Have you watched the History channel on the Bismark? That sucker dodged all but 1 torp that was launched from teh first wave of swordfish.

See: http://youtube.com/watch?v=zrVivj9Q5Po&mode=related&search=


Chip I have to disagree with you on this one because of the way the game's balance is designed.

In real-life every single torp hit was a potential disaster and critical to the ships well being, as in the bismarks case.

However in BSM your average BB can shrug off FOUR without to much worry, I was in surigao and got ambushed by PT boats and was hit by TWELVE TORPS near-simultaniously and I still manged to survive with like 25% health.

Because the damage ratio is so drastically different using the Bismark as an example of"ships can dodge torps" just doesn't cut it because 1 torp crippled the bismark while 1 torp won't do anything to a BB in BSM

[VTROOPER]

Chip I have to disagree with you on this one because of the way the game's balance is designed.

In real-life every single torp hit was a potential disaster and critical to the ships well being, as in the bismarks case.

However in BSM your average BB can shrug off FOUR without to much worry, I was in surigao and got ambushed by PT boats and was hit by TWELVE TORPS near-simultaniously and I still manged to survive with like 25% health.

Because the damage ratio is so drastically different using the Bismark as an example of"ships can dodge torps" just doesn't cut it because 1 torp crippled the bismark while 1 torp won't do anything to a BB in BSM

the one torp. hit the ruder then was attacked by RN ships and didont sink and then they skuteld her. (parden my spelling)

[R0FLc0pt3r]

Since I didn't get to be on that discussion panel for gameplay improvements, here are 3 things which, in my opinion, are the major flaws of the BS:M gameplay.

The developers are always saying that they take note of what is said in the forums, so I hope this post isn't a waste of time. The least you can do is reply with your comments for my suggestions.


In no particular order of importance...


#1 Torpedo bomber AI is useless

They seem to aim for the ends of the ships, and very often miss. As far as I know, it doesn't matter where you hit the ship with a torpedo, just as long as you hit it.

True story: I sent 9 torpedo bombers against the yamato. I launched one myself, but out of the AI torpedos, SIX of them missed. I can't remember how many hit or how many planes didn't get a chance, all I know is that to miss the biggest and one of the slowest moving ships in the game with SIX torpedos, is.....upsetting.


#2 No more magical depth charge view for Destroyers

It's simply unfair. A sub at level 4 is supposed to be safe, invisible. But it's not. Some people will actually follow your sub around in a destroyer waiting until it has to surface so that they can sink it.
How can they do this? Because destroyers had glass hulls??

I understand it adds to the visual appeal of the game, to see what it is you're depth charging, to see the explosions and to see the submarine sink, etc, but it's unfair for the other person. Submarines don't have a magic periscope to let them see what's going on on the surface while at depth four. Other things which would be exciting but unrealistic and unfair would be sea monsters, aliens and nuclear missiles.


#3 Automatic damage control

I think damage control is a good feature, but it detracts from the gameplay when you're in the middle of a duel. Sometimes, if you forget to put all men on water damage, as a precaution at the start of the game, it can lose you the game.

My reasoning is this: if everything on your ship is fine, apart from the fact you've just been "holed", why should you have to manually put all men on water damage, when that is the only logical thing to do anyway?

My proposal is that one should be able to set priorities- i.e., water first, fire second, guns third, or perhaps water first, guns second, fire third. This way the AI will automatically deal with each problem based on what you think is the biggest threat to the well-being of your ship, in the middle of say, a battleship fight.




Sorry if I got a bit carried away. Obviously I'm not a developer, but if I were to come across the same things again in BS:M 2, I would at least expect your reasons why they have been kept.

Keep up the good work, and PLEASE- respond!
Thanks

Absolutely agree with everything you just said.

The A.I. on torp runs are useless; 99% of the time they miss their target; I always find myself crashing my torpedo bomber into the sea after launching it's torpedo so I can quickly switch to my other torp planes before the stupid A.I. launches the torps and misses the target.

[VTROOPER]

AI needs to be beter period :mad2: :mad2: :mad2:

[M0n3y]

Since I didn't get to be on that discussion panel for gameplay improvements, here are 3 things which, in my opinion, are the major flaws of the BS:M gameplay.

The developers are always saying that they take note of what is said in the forums, so I hope this post isn't a waste of time. The least you can do is reply with your comments for my suggestions.


In no particular order of importance...


#1 Torpedo bomber AI is useless

They seem to aim for the ends of the ships, and very often miss. As far as I know, it doesn't matter where you hit the ship with a torpedo, just as long as you hit it.

True story: I sent 9 torpedo bombers against the yamato. I launched one myself, but out of the AI torpedos, SIX of them missed. I can't remember how many hit or how many planes didn't get a chance, all I know is that to miss the biggest and one of the slowest moving ships in the game with SIX torpedos, is.....upsetting.


#2 No more magical depth charge view for Destroyers

It's simply unfair. A sub at level 4 is supposed to be safe, invisible. But it's not. Some people will actually follow your sub around in a destroyer waiting until it has to surface so that they can sink it.
How can they do this? Because destroyers had glass hulls??

I understand it adds to the visual appeal of the game, to see what it is you're depth charging, to see the explosions and to see the submarine sink, etc, but it's unfair for the other person. Submarines don't have a magic periscope to let them see what's going on on the surface while at depth four. Other things which would be exciting but unrealistic and unfair would be sea monsters, aliens and nuclear missiles.


#3 Automatic damage control

I think damage control is a good feature, but it detracts from the gameplay when you're in the middle of a duel. Sometimes, if you forget to put all men on water damage, as a precaution at the start of the game, it can lose you the game.

My reasoning is this: if everything on your ship is fine, apart from the fact you've just been "holed", why should you have to manually put all men on water damage, when that is the only logical thing to do anyway?

My proposal is that one should be able to set priorities- i.e., water first, fire second, guns third, or perhaps water first, guns second, fire third. This way the AI will automatically deal with each problem based on what you think is the biggest threat to the well-being of your ship, in the middle of say, a battleship fight.




Sorry if I got a bit carried away. Obviously I'm not a developer, but if I were to come across the same things again in BS:M 2, I would at least expect your reasons why they have been kept.

Keep up the good work, and PLEASE- respond!
Thanks

nice 1
i agree with all three bhut i'm not so sure about that water first fire second...

nice thinking anyway:thumbsup:

[Stickletodd]

....and dedicated server software (windows AND linux). Without it, this game will never achieve its true potential.

[VTROOPER]

....and dedicated server software (windows AND linux). Without it, this game will never achieve its true potential.

not for PC but for 360 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[xgamerms999]

:lol: VISTA OWNS

[VTROOPER]

360 Owns

[poprox101]

OKAY, let's move on from here. vista rules I don't want to go into a flame war here. I think the ideas are wonderful; I really want to see some torpedo action.

[VTROOPER]

OKAY, let's move on from here. vista rules I don't want to go into a flame war here. I think the ideas are wonderful; I really want to see some torpedo action.

360 owns i only use the PC for stratige games and flames of war is a MINIATURE GAME not PC or 360 game.

[xgamerms999]

360 Owns

Dude, Vista and 360 are Microsoft. Also, just cause I like Vista, doesn't mean anything to you.

[VTROOPER]

Dude, Vista and 360 are Microsoft. Also, just cause I like Vista, doesn't mean anything to you.

well i dont play on game spy but thats only becows 360 microsoft points is how you pay for downlodes and they cost alot.

[M0n3y]

yeah sadly enough it does...