Any other FIELD-MARSHAL around ?

[Mian]

I got FIELD-MARSHAL rank in Commandos 1 BEL and BTCOD and in Commandos 2 MOC - I was wondering if there is any other FIELD-MARSHAL around ? :cool:

You can take a look here

http://groups.msn.com/Miansgroup/shoebox.msnw

:rolleyes:

[feiyangca]

I got 5 stars on all missions from das boot to paris in Commandos 2. Back in 2004, but i lost all the screenshots.

[Mian]

you must be a GURU of this game !!

:nut:

Do you remember what was your final rank then ?

Also I need a bit of help ... can you guide me how you stopped that enemy invasion in 'SAVING PRIVATE SMITH' which started as a bonus mission ?

Thanks

[feiyangca]

I had 49 merits and was field-marshal.
In the saving private mission, I knocked out almost everyone in the ruins without being detected. And put mines on the to stop the tanks.
To get five stars, u must not let any of your commandos be seen. Use the soldiers to kill all invading soldiers. What the soldiers kill doesnt affect your rank. Put them all in the church, facing the door.

[feiyangca]

U only need 48 merits to be Field marshal. Das boot is the hardest level, I only got 5 stars in that mission once.

[Mian]

Well if you had 49 merits, it means you had all 50 of them coz in the first mission (Night of the wolves) you can only get one star for visited areas - probably because its map was a small part of a big map (Das Boot - Silent Killers). So you can only get 4 merits in it.

The problem with me is that in Saving Private Smith, I also knocked out all the enemy soldiers without being detected - the other side of the bridge. I kept one of my commandos in the destroyed plane who had searched all the plane but had NOT clicked on the last part of the picture yet (to get bonus mission). I saved the game there and then I made Smith radio - the level finished - I got all the stars except two - as NOT completing the 'secondry objectives' - which was definitely NOT in the mission previously but appeared as 'prepare your men for the invasion' - after when I clicked the last part of the bonus picture and then I made Smith radio (from the saved game) and then I had to complete the bonus mission also. I must also mention here that I am playing this game in difficulty mode 'VERY HARD'.

When bonus mission started, I used several strategies. With just 4 of my allies, I managed to kill almost all of them, thus successfully resisting the invasion. I had only one time-bomb and one anti-tank mine and had to destroy 4 tanks so I destroyed other two with bazooka without being detected. The mission ended and I had lost 4 out of 5 stars in 'neutralizing enemies without shooting' and 'neutralizing enemies without killing' !! whereas none of my commandos had killed any enemy - I had only used Allies !!

Then I restarted the saved game and this time - can you believe - I knocked down and tied almost all the enemy soldiers without killing even one of them (I didn't use Allies that time). I destroyed the tanks the same way. But the result was the same as before i.e only one star each for without killing and without shooting !!

So right now I have tried almost all the techniques for this but of no use. Currently I am 'General' and need only one merit to get 'Field Marshal'. But I WILL get it any how :D

Secondly I am losing one star for 'visited areas' in 'The Guns of Savo Island' - and if I get it, I lose one star for 'time'. Don't you think that in 'very hard' difficulty mode, just 30 minutes for this mission is unfair ?? and that too with increased number of enemy soldiers ?? Some times I think this situation is buggy - as in the bonus mission 2, where 'Fins' had to complete the circuit in boat, I got only 1 minute to complete it - which is no doubt IMPOSSIBLE !!

[feiyangca]

This is from a old post of mine in 2004:

Visited Areas Explained

You know how frustrating it is on some levels to get 5 stars for Visited Areas. Even though you visited every room, checked all boxes and shelves, but still get 3-4 stars for visited areas, hence ruining your final score.

Well, after playing each mission for at least 5 times, getting 5 merits on all missions except Night Of the Wolves of course. I finally figured out the Visited Areas system.

Let me list some facts:

1.It has NOTHING to do with the exterior map, or any other pre-rendered 2D maps(subway station in Paris). There is no need to run to every corner of the map.

2.It also is not affected by the boxes,shelves opened. Nor ladders,doors,poles, and switches used/climbed/opened.

3.Enemies killed/knocked out also doesn't affect visited areas.

4.Only rooms or other 3D areas are included in visited areas. Also you don't need to go to every corner of the room, simply to in and out, and it's count as "visited".

5.Every room/underwater area musted be visited to get 5 stars.

You think,"I've done all that, why can't I still get 5 stars." Now I'll reveal to secret of visted areas. In some levels, the only way to get 5 stars is to visite EVERY ROOM with at least 2 different commandos. They don't have to be in the same room at some time. This doesn't include underwater areas, one person is enough for that. UPDATE: You don't have to visit "every" room on the map with 2 guys, just maybe half of the rooms is enough for 5 stars.

Got it? Load up a map and test it out, visit every place with 2 commandos and Boom 5 Stars for visited areas. Night Of the Wolves is still impossible to get 5 stars because half of the map is cut off but still exists.

It's unfortunate that I just got this game and figure this out recently. I could've help more people back 2 years ago.


Remember: to get 5 merits.
DON'T bother getting any puzzle piece at all.
Don't ever get spotted(alarm).
Use dog bark to distract and knock out groups of soldiers.
Dont need to knock out every enemy, 80% is enough.
Shoot the annoying snipers,1 kill doesnt matter.
Visit every underwater area.
Go in to every room, and drop a knocked out body there if possible.

[feiyangca]

Well if you had 49 merits, it means you had all 50 of them coz in the first mission (Night of the wolves) you can only get one star for visited areas - probably because its map was a small part of a big map (Das Boot - Silent Killers). So you can only get 4 merits in it.

The problem with me is that in Saving Private Smith, I also knocked out all the enemy soldiers without being detected - the other side of the bridge. I kept one of my commandos in the destroyed plane who had searched all the plane but had NOT clicked on the last part of the picture yet (to get bonus mission). I saved the game there and then I made Smith radio - the level finished - I got all the stars except two - as NOT completing the 'secondry objectives' - which was definitely NOT in the mission previously but appeared as 'prepare your men for the invasion' - after when I clicked the last part of the bonus picture and then I made Smith radio (from the saved game) and then I had to complete the bonus mission also. I must also mention here that I am playing this game in difficulty mode 'VERY HARD'.

When bonus mission started, I used several strategies. With just 4 of my allies, I managed to kill almost all of them, thus successfully resisting the invasion. I had only one time-bomb and one anti-tank mine and had to destroy 4 tanks so I destroyed other two with bazooka without being detected. The mission ended and I had lost 4 out of 5 stars in 'neutralizing enemies without shooting' and 'neutralizing enemies without killing' !! whereas none of my commandos had killed any enemy - I had only used Allies !!

Then I restarted the saved game and this time - can you believe - I knocked down and tied almost all the enemy soldiers without killing even one of them (I didn't use Allies that time). I destroyed the tanks the same way. But the result was the same as before i.e only one star each for without killing and without shooting !!

So right now I have tried almost all the techniques for this but of no use. Currently I am 'General' and need only one merit to get 'Field Marshal'. But I WILL get it any how :D

Secondly I am losing one star for 'visited areas' in 'The Guns of Savo Island' - and if I get it, I lose one star for 'time'. Don't you think that in 'very hard' difficulty mode, just 30 minutes for this mission is unfair ?? and that too with increased number of enemy soldiers ?? Some times I think this situation is buggy - as in the bonus mission 2, where 'Fins' had to complete the circuit in boat, I got only 1 minute to complete it - which is no doubt IMPOSSIBLE !!

I beat first mission in 3 minutes something. 1 stars for visited area, 4 overall.

I forgot how that private mission is. I am current replaying the game and on level 2. I'll get back to u on that. BTW i ALWAYS play on VERY HARD. You got "The mission ended and I had lost 4 out of 5 stars in 'neutralizing enemies without shooting' and 'neutralizing enemies without killing!!" because all the enemies u knocked out got up and left. U must dump all bodies in boxes or river.

Savo island is second hardest level to get 5 stars. U must swim underwater while the ppl above knock out the soldiers on island. Use the wild man as much as possible, blow his trumpet and knock them out.

The bonus mission must complete using keyboard controls, SHIFT + arrows. I finish with 4 secs left.

[feiyangca]

http://www.geocities.com/feiyangca/COMMANDOS-MISSION2.PNG
Das Boot

[feiyangca]

Mian u gotta be faster. River Kwai is the easiest level in Commandos 2. U should finish the level under 20 minutes with 5 stars. I remember I did it in 19 minutes.

[Mian]

Thanks alot for the prompt and detailed reply. It will save me a lot of time as I was now concentrating on my mistakes by playing some levels again and again just to figure out how this 'visited area' is engineered (as you might have done some years ago). And all the time I was wondering what wrong I had been doing all this time - as I got Field-Marshal in it (difficulty level - Normal) back in late 2005 (we got this game in our country then) with all the credits except one in 'night of the wolves' and one in 'saving private smith'. Now I have remembered (after reading your posts - thanks again for that) that I habitually used several commandos visit all the places - I never used 'Spooky's' syringe, rather I would use him talk to some enemy and the other commando would knock him from behind. So it was just by chance that I was using the right strategy.

You wrote : 'Mian u gotta be faster. River Kwai is the easiest level in Commandos 2. U should finish the level under 20 minutes with 5 stars. I remember I did it in 19 minutes.'

I believe I CAN NOT be faster than I play right now - just imagine, visiting every corner of the map, clicking every interactable thing, ALL the doors opened and closed (from inside out and from outside in :mad2: ), climbing every pole and swinging every rope, taking my thief 'Lupin' unnecessarily to open all the locked boxes, searching every underwater place, knocking down every enemy soldier etc. in EVERY mission and still getting the rank isn't bad at all in this time !! :lol: As a matter of fact, I am so fast that I have not yet read all the commandos techniques (I used CS grenade and molotiv cocktail for the first time in Castle Colditz - the second last mission) :lol:

Now I plan to replay the game from the first mission SERIOUSLY - and in the light of visited areas tips you gave (thanks yet once again) so I will be in touch with you.

And yes, I completed that bonus mission also, I didn't know about that shift+up arrow key before.

[feiyangca]

Another way to ensure you explored area is to knock out at least one person in the room, and dump the body inside. Or carry a body inside and dumb it in. This only needs 1 commando to do.

[Mian]

You are right ... because somehow we have to TELL the game that we have visited an area ... especially those rooms which are empty and don't have any cupboard or any other thing etc. which we can interact with. In particular those empty rooms which have some times their doors already open too ... so I agree dumping a body there would work - I also think that if such a room has an open door, closing the door might work also - so the psychology is to 'leave some mark in (almost) every room or any other 3D places'.

I have restarted playing the game - here is the result of first mission - speed not bad I guess - 2 minutes and some seconds !!

http://groups.msn.com/Miansgroup/shoebox.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=8

[Mian]

How can I attach some picture in my post ? At the bottom it says : you may not post attachments :(

[feiyangca]

U must use a webhost to put images.

Not bad at all, 3 minutes is very fast. I couldn't do that. The stupid guy wont pick up the wine.

I am on the castle level now with all 5 five stars.

[feiyangca]

http://www.geocities.com/feiyangca/COMMANDOS-MISSION1.jpg
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http://www.geocities.com/feiyangca/COMMANDOS-MISSION2.jpg
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http://www.geocities.com/feiyangca/COMMANDOS-MISSION3.jpg
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http://www.geocities.com/feiyangca/COMMANDOS-MISSION7.jpg
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[Mian]

Marvellous result (Mian stands up and applauds) :)

I have gotton Field-Marshal in 'very hard' too ;) but as I said, I am now re-playing all missions with improved strategies and result. Then we will discuss some strategies - for us and for the benefit of others here - in the mean while I am looking forward to seeing your remaining 2 results.

[feiyangca]

http://www.geocities.com/feiyangca/COMMANDOS-MISSION9.jpg
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[feiyangca]

Final Rank
http://www.geocities.com/feiyangca/COMMANDOS-RANK.PNG

[Mian]

http://www.geocities.com/great_mian/Comm2/Com2-FRank.jpg

I'll post individual results soon ;)

[butcher.LSN]

i only got major, and i got a question to ya fellas, do i have to play on hard to get 5 merits in a mission???

[Mian]

i only got major, and i got a question to ya fellas, do i have to play on hard to get 5 merits in a mission???

No, this isn't the case - infact it is easier to get 5 merits in 'normal' or 'hard' mode. Well, what are the differences among these modes ? First is that you are given more time to complete the mission in 'hard' and even more in 'normal' mode. Second is that the position and number of soldiers is different in these modes (maps and other things are exactly the same in all modes). For example, you will not find an enemy soldier at a specific place in 'normal' mode, can find him STANDING or SITTING in 'hard' mode and can find him WALKING in 'very hard' mode. You can notice this thing in 'Training Camp 1' where there is an empty stool near the checkpost and second barrier in 'normal' mode BUT a soldier is sitting on it in 'hard' and 'very hard' mode. Infact it is always a good idea to try to get all stars in 'normal' mode first - so as to make yourself clear, what stars you are losing and how to get them. Make it your habit to SAVE the game very often.

There are two types of stars which you will lose frequently and are hard to get - they are mission time and visited areas. Others, like 'being detected' or 'being injured' etc are only due to carelessness and can be avoided. The 'visited areas' thing is explained by my friend in previous posts, read them, apply them and find out which areas you failed to visit. Most of the time, it will be some under-water area - especially in missions where you have 'FINS' with you. Second issue is mission time: if you are going too slow - I mean if you are getting only one or two stars for time, you need to change or improve your strategy. Try / experiment new things. But if you are losing only one star for time, for example, you can get it simply by speeding up your men without necesserily changing your strategy. You can also save some time by NOT going after some un-necessary soldier which consumed a lot of your time !

Finally, it is not always good to be clever or genius - so becoming foolish some times can result in very good also - like firing a gun shot somewhere (un-necessarily) can cause several enemy soldiers running towards you - and what else do you want ? Get them all in the second attempt - you know what I mean !

[feiyangca]

Very good reply, you must improved a lot. Yes, shooting guns are great for luring enemies. In rooms, I use Fins to set up a trip rope and get another commando to shoot, then hords of enemies run towards the rope and get knocked out, the most I tripped was about 10-13 in a Paris appartment.

[feiyangca]

Mission time is all about multi-tasking, and never waste time waiting for a enemy to move or whatever. If u are waiting with 1 commando, control thr other one, never stop clicking.

Dont always use ciggerttes or wine to lure. Use a tied up body instead.:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

[Mian]

.... and now if you want to ask 'why use a tied up body instead' ? the answer is that not all the soldiers are interested in cigarettes or wine (coz they are 'religious' and these things are forbidden for them :lmao: ) so they will not come to pick your stuff - and also there are soldiers who are ordered not to leave their places so they will also not be lured BUT every one will come to un-tie their tied up pal - and unlike the other case, they won't be coming strolling - they will come to you RUNNING (to save your precious time)- and what else do you want ? :lmao:

@ Feiyangca

I think we have been using almost the same techniques - I used this move in 'The Guns of Savo Island' and knocked down almost the same number of enemies at once. I remember I could not tie them up all in one attempt so I had to punch several of them again until I could tie them all.

[butcher.LSN]

i used to have a 'run and gun' strategy, i wasnt leavin any alive soldier on the map, now i am tryin to be more stealth and knock out the enemy instead of knifin or shootin.

here is my last result on the mission 'bridge over the river kwai'

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/218/commandos2botrkcf8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Shot at 2007-08-08



bein detected and injured is my problem



and thanks for the explanation, now i get it :)

[feiyangca]

You still have a long way to go. Long way...
This was my result for that mission
http://www.geocities.com/feiyangca/COMMANDOS-MISSION5.jpg

[butcher.LSN]

damn, how the hell can ya finish it in like 20min, thats awesome man


and yeah, it might take me a while to get back into the game, cos i havent played it in 2 and 1/2 years, but i will keep tryin

;)

[Mian]

... and I thought it could be done even faster ! Here is my result for this mission - and remember: No one can do this without continuous practice and No one can become Field Marshal in one or two attempts - so stick to what you said and keep trying.

http://www.geocities.com/great_mian/BORK-M5.jpg

;)

[butcher.LSN]

... and I thought it could be done even faster ! Here is my result for this mission - and remember: No one can do this without continuous practice and No one can become Field Marshal in one or two attempts - so stick to what you said and keep trying.

http://www.geocities.com/great_mian/BORK-M5.jpg

;)


yeah mate, i know

i am playin the whole game over again now, no shootin or knifin anymore, kinda slows me down a bit, but i am gettin better.


and thanks for the idea of usin tight up body to attract enemy soldiers, work every time

cheers :)

[feiyangca]

Very nice mian. I could done it faster if I didnt look for all the book pieces. I ususlly play a level twice, once for the books, once for the score.

[butcher.LSN]

Very nice mian. I could done it faster if I didnt look for all the book pieces. I ususlly play a level twice, once for the books, once for the score.

that what is my problem, i try get the books and get better score at the same time, never works :(

[mario0815]

Yes, I'm a field-marshal too (I play the German version):
http://members.inode.at/erich.weitzer/feldmarschall.jpg
5 stars in all missions except for mission 1 of course. Speaking of mission 1:
http://members.inode.at/erich.weitzer/mission1.jpg
I don't think that it can be done much faster. It might be possible to save another second or two.

[feiyangca]

Yes, only the Germans and the Asians can be elites like us. All these Americans can never enjoy the commandos game to the full.

[feiyangca]

Haha, The German version should began as a Feldmarschall and slowly demote to Rottenführer to reflect the loss of Nazi.

[Haridimos]

.... and now if you want to ask 'why use a tied up body instead' ? the answer is that not all the soldiers are interested in cigarettes or wine (coz they are 'religious' and these things are forbidden for them :lmao: ) so they will not come to pick your stuff - Exactly.


and also there are soldiers who are ordered not to leave their places so they will also not be lured BUT every one will come to un-tie their tied up pal - and unlike the other case, they won't be coming strolling - they will come to you RUNNING (to save your precious time)- and what else do you want ? :lmao:I disagree. Those who are not supposed to leave do not leave their positioneven if they see a tied up body.