What If? aka LOK Unlimited

[Smoke_Z]

The object of this game is to pick any event in the entire LOK timeline and change it. Name your scenario, then explain the ripples that it would cause.


Ignore the fact that history is immutable, you're taking the role of a deity that could eat the squid raw.


If you're going further back than -500, the time of Malek and the Sarafan, explain how you think the timeline was until you rediverted it. (Like if you're going to talk about the hylden/seraph war.)

Actually, if you're going to go that far back, you could still write a 'and then it happened like the games we know' scenario, but you should mark it as such.


Avoid LOK6 scenarios. (Because even though there isn't going to be another game, most of the scenarios are already scattered around the forum.) The last moment you can change is the last moment that you have control of Kain in Defiance.


When arguing with someone on how that change would affect the future, make sure you're using their scenario name.


Someone post a reply so I can put mine up without double-posting.

[Zulgbrtzchllha]

Kain decides that instead of killing William to stop the Nemesis, he gives him a bug hug and warms William's heart so much that he decides to spread flowers everywhere and then there's no more wars ever and William also changes Vampires so that they have to feed on flowers instead so they're all nice and happy too. And they all live happily ever after.

[Smoke_Z]

@Zulgbrtzchllha: Funny :)

I've been kicking around with "Kain did not refuse the sacrifice." The new Guardians of the Pillars are born. Ariel's spirit went flying away to the Nosgoth afterlife, Kain's spirit doesn't hang around either.

The new Guardians don't know who they are, though they are talented in their respective areas of magic. They never reach their true potential, and the pillars start to lose their energy.

The forces of the Unspoken had a contingency for this, and they eventually break through and overrun the world.

[Binky24]

This is one I've been playing around with for some time already:

Raziel emerges from the SR2 Dark Forge, has a little chat with Vorador...
Vorador: (...)But you see, even if you are who you appear to be, it no longer matters... You're simply too late. Janos Audron - the Reaver Guardian, the last of the Ancients, and my maker - was murdered by the Sarafan nearly five centuries ago.
Raziel: (says nothing, only mopes around as he is prone to mope)
Vorador(ctd): But, if you have some time, come by the Mansion. I have something to show you...

The result: Raziel makes a trip to Avernus, Janos is resurrected, he, Raziel and Vorador go together on a merry Guardian-killing party which serves as the perfect vampire bonding experience, the Pillars are restored, the Hylden never escape. After some persuasion, they extract the Reaver from William-who-is-about-to-become-Nemesis, and everyone is happy... Well, perhaps except for the human nobleman Kain, who is so very dead, and old Kain, who is expelled from the time stream. (Yes, I know that you said no paradoxes involved. Wait a sec.)

And then, they resurrect the Sarafan Raziel and create a Matrix/Truman Show Big Brother house for him.

The only thing I haven't yet figured out is what to do with the spirit in the Reaver. Probably it's someone else's spirit inside. Could be human Kain's, if William has only the Blood Reaver.
Or anyone's. Maybe Moebius's. :whistle:

[Smoke_Z]

This is one I've been playing around with for some time already:

Raziel emerges from the SR2 Dark Forge, has a little chat with Vorador...


Wow, I never thought of that break-point before. Nice. I guess a "Defiance was planned at that point" excuse would be that Vorador needed some time to consider whether or not he actually trusted Raziel.

Whenever I name a scenario which interferes with Raziel getting imprisoned in the Reaver, I say that it was simply one of the Squid's earlier symbiotic servants. The Squid used Raziel's symbiotic link to shatter the Reaver.

Kicking around Raziel's lifecycle that results from your scenario, it's such a delightful headache. Yeah, he would probably be the spawn of the replacement guardian of death, and there would be no true scion of balance. The wraith would probably have to request his own creation, and some really twisted events would have to warp him. (Like the whole illusionary life you brought up.)


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On that theme, I usually mess with "the Ruined Aerie" conversation. Neither Kain nor Raziel are as guarded as they should be. In my 2004 scribble, Kain says "they know exactly how to destroy you" instead of "don't underestimate them." I'm assuming that Raziel was to be slightly dense and ignore the less subtle statement.

Later on, when Kain says that Moebius is the puppet of the "diabolical they" Raziel says, "Gee, I thought Moebius was the plaything of that giant squid living under the pillars." Kain yelps, "what?" and Raziel continues rambling on about how it's endlessly bragging that it's the wheel of fate.

I guess Raziel would eventually say, "meet me at the pillars," since Kain couldn't swim through the ruins, and then they'd go down into that chamber. I suppose Kain would begin to doubt Raziel's sanity as he points out the invisible tentacles and then begins arguing with something that Kain doesn't hear.

And I'm stuck on what that would actually accomplish.

[InsaneScorpion331]

@Zulgbrtzchllha: Funny :)

I've been kicking around with "Kain did not refuse the sacrifice." The new Guardians of the Pillars are born. Ariel's spirit went flying away to the Nosgoth afterlife, Kain's spirit doesn't hang around either.

The new Guardians don't know who they are, though they are talented in their respective areas of magic. They never reach their true potential, and the pillars start to lose their energy.

The forces of the Unspoken had a contingency for this, and they eventually break through and overrun the world.
Umm, the Hylden would've broken through the moment Kain sacraficed himself, not sometime afterwords, as no Vampires would exist then to hold the binding.

[Binky24]

I suppose Kain would begin to doubt Raziel's sanity as he points out the invisible tentacles and then begins arguing with something that Kain doesn't hear.
Doesn't hear? I think that rather, EG would stay silent, and Raziel would start going, "And now, all of a sudden, you don't have anything to say?"
Which, of course, wouldn't improve his image in Kain's eyes.
Ergh. Yes. Raziel, if so inclined, might use the 'Abyss' card at this point: "you have thrown me right into the lap of that thing!" Kain might even believe him, and accept the existence of an invisible Squid living under the Pillars.
And I have no idea what they would do next. Search for Janos together and ask him about said Squid? Go to the Willendorf library for information? Search for the other Forges, and accidentally stumble upon one of the Defiance ones? Kain could possibly teleport into the Aerie, and they could activate the Fire Forge?

Ergh. They could do a lot.