Does Kain have his whole soul back?

[LOKFan]

Raziel and his brethren were created when Kain 'breathed' portions of his soul into their Sarafan corpses. Raziel devoured the souls of the other 5 brothers and eventually his soul (as the wraith blade) is used to purify Kain.

I was wondering if this means that Kain has gained back the portions of his soul that he used to create his lieutenants.

[Gabriel Edson]

ive heard that writer amy hennig discussed plot points in the story that werent covered in the games. maybe somebody else here has a link to that information so you can find out.

if it hasnt been covered, then i say its fair game for theories and yours sounds good. :)

[Kazame]

Actually now that you mention it, I notice that raziel only sucked his brothers into HIMSELF, not his wraith blade. The only enhancements his wraithblade actually attained to date are the elemental and spirit forges of defiance. Having said this, I think it is logical to assume that only raziel's soul (wraith blade) went into kain, while all 6 brethren (including raziel) went into the soul reaver... I think :o

But if you think about it.. according to history and time, the wraith blade has to have the same exact attributes as raziel himself. I mean put it this way: now that the wraithblade (which, for argument's sake, does NOT contain the other 5 brethrens' souls) gets sucked into kain, while raziel's aoul (along with his brethrens' souls) gets sucked into the reaver. Now time passes by, yadda yadda yadda, and the reaver is found in the sr1 era where it is broken against wraith raziel, hence becoming his symbiotic weapon. Now, the wraith blade has all of the 6 brethren's souls while raziel only has his own and melchiah's. The tables have turned, heheheh :p

But the question is, does that mean that the wraith blade gets the same attributes as raziel does RIGHT AWAY, or does time have to make at least one loop around itself in order to accomplish that. pretty confusing stuff.. :confused:

[Gabriel Edson]

ow, my head...

i dont think time needs to loop once more. raziel (with melchiahs soul) gets the wraithblade, absorbs the rest of his brothers, gets absorbed into the reaver, breaks on raziel (with melchiahs soul)...

so yes, at the time raziel gets absorbed into the reaver and the wraithblade gets absorbed into kain, both raz and WB have absorbed all of raz' brothers.
and no, time does not need to loop again.

[Vampmaster]

The wraith blade would contain the bretherens souls because it used to be Raziel and their souls would still have been a part of him when he became the physical blade and thus the wraith blade when it was released in SR1.

[Smoke_Z]

Plus, it would fit in with the 'Turel is part of the puzzle' thing.

I think Amy might've said that, but I'm willing to chalk it under rumors because I don't know where the proof is.

[Vampmaster]

I always think of Ariels statement of "reunite what has been set asunder" as refering to pieces of Kains soul. Like he sort of had to dismantle it for repairs then put it back together again.

[goblin981]

I think he does.

[soothsayer]

Raziel ate all his brother's souls.
The blood reazer ate Raziel to become the soul reaver.
the soul reaver broke to become thw wraith blade.
the wraith blade absorbe the elemental powers of the old gaurdians.
Kain absorbed the wraith blade.

[Gabriel Edson]

Raziel ate all his brother's souls.
The blood reazer ate Raziel to become the soul reaver.
the soul reaver broke to become thw wraith blade.
the wraith blade absorbe the elemental powers of the old gaurdians.
Kain absorbed the wraith blade.
well put. :thumbsup:

[The_Sourcerer]

So that would make him more than he ever was since he absorbed the powers of the elemental powers of the guardians as well. We really need another game. :(

[Kazame]

I'm curious to see if they implement any life/skill deterioration due to Kain's heart (or lack thereof). He might not be as powerful after all, but who knows =/

[soothsayer]

good point Kazame
If Moebius' staff didn't affect Kain, than I doubt the Hylden's anti-vampire technology would not work on him either.

Also, now that Kain has his soul back and purified, I doubt he will be able to create more vampires, since that would set asunder what was recently made whole.

[goblin981]

what about all the vampires in the future? we don't know that raz killed them all

[soothsayer]

that is for sure, Kain's empire would certainly spread east, Raz only travel in the west. I don't think Raz could possibly take care of all of them, cause one man cannot defeat an army, and as long as one vampire stands they are legion.

personally I think the elder god will make himself known after the fall of the dark gods and teach them of magic, likely how he did to the ancients. eventually they will figure out how to remake the pillars, and use them to draw in all the souls of the necromantic vampires to the demon dimension, along with any demons or hylden not where they belong. I think the reason eg waited till the dark gods were gone because fate had destined the to become part of the reaver, and EG is bellow fate.

[Angel of Music]

That is an excellent query, I think we touched on this in a discussion in ages past. Personally, I believe that Raziel's entire purpose was to collect for Kain the scattered parts of his soul, and purify them of their Nupraptor-induced taint, thereby undoing the plan of the Hylden of shattering the Balance Guardian and his ability to meet his destiny, and furthermore to arm Kain for the upcoming struggle.

As a side note, Greetings forum membership, it's been a long time. Nice to see those of you I know, and I hope to meet new, interesting people as well. ^_^y