LAG Comments Here Please

[theBlackman]

I moved the original edited LAG. I will move the comments here so this post will get edited later.

Meanwhile, all you starving artistes can continue your story, and post diatribes here.

Read the comments on the old forum if you need a reminder, and of course the story is in the new LAG thread HERE

[Gumdrop]

Good to see the journey was a smooth one. Thanks tBM.

[SlyFoxx]

Cool it's back. I'm soooo guilty. What happens next?

Sly



oops forgot I asked a question ?????

[BrokenArts]

Aaaaahhh starting to feel more like home now. :) I need to get back in there, and PRONTO!

[Gumdrop]

Wow THEthief. You been hitting the high fiber stuff?! :eek: :D

[SlyFoxx]

After reading Thethief's last post I feel it's time for Waz to continue with the Templar seeings as SlyFoxx is trying to put the tail on him figuring the Burrick is a good place to begin. I sorta want to see what Waz comes up with before adding more of my own ideas. It looks like a scape goat may have been found but my feeling is Thethief should sooner or later be exonerated of the crime. Things should not go so easily for the real killer. IMO.

Good stuff so far. :cool:

SlyFoxx

[THEthief]

Originally posted by Gumdrop
Wow THEthief. You been hitting the high fiber stuff?! :eek: :D
You liked it? :D :D ;) Seriously, though...what didn't you like? :) Lemme know, and maybe I can avoid it in the future. :)

[THEthief]

C'mon, guys n' gals - someone besides me has to post there!! :)

[theBlackman]

They will. Just be patient. The story will continue shortly. PS. Join us. This isn't a solo effort. :D

This is NOT a fanfic page. This is a multiauthor story.
Fanfic goes in its own seperate thread, although the Burrick is the place to post such, this thread is not.

Add to the existing story. Complete adventures written as complete adventures are not what this thread is for.

This is our "CHAOS CO-ORDINATED" department. :D Come on in the insanity is fine.

[THEthief]

Yea, I am kinda planning to (and have been) working my part in with the main plot (or what I can see of it thus far, anyways). :)

[Speedy[143]]

tBm.... when you copied and pasted the LAG thread from the old forum you accidently left out my 1st post... here it is... it's between Whats His Name and bravus's posted on 6/27/02 at 12:30PM PST.....

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Speedy overhears two of the wranglers discussing their plans for the day.. it seems the weekly run to Dayport was put off due to bad weather… as luck would have it she hasn’t missed hitching a ride into town on the wagon that will carry fresh meat for stew to the Crippled Burrick after all. Staying hidden in the barn for another hour or so will give her a chance to freshen up a bit.
Looking forward to running into several of her fellow taffers at the pub she reminisces about meetings past… it’s the end of the month with the rent due on the first.. so there’s probably more than a few thiefty plans being made there tonight. Hoping she’s not to late to get in on the fun she sneaks onto the wagon and settles down for the bumpy ride to town………………

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Without it it makes my 2nd post sound goofy heh

I hope you can slip it in:D Thanks!!!!!!!!

XXXOOO
Speedy

[SlyFoxx]

Hey What's His Name....speedy has the Templar at the brothel. After he's ummm errr finished there could you send him over to the Burrick. SlyFoxx is trying to put the tail on him but obviously went in the wrong direction.:D

[Speedy[143]]

heh... sorry Sly... I was playing off of tBms comments about the Templar's possible list of people to visit on his quest to find the murder.. especially since the Templar's last post left him wondering what to do and where to go next... besides I figured WHN could turn his visit into anything he wants...

CAN Speedy trust Fuschia not to tell anyone she was there and her suspiciousions about my dishevelled appearance? Will the Templar use any means to extract information... if so will Gummie make it back to town to save his damsel in distress???? Or can the whoremaster distract him long enough to make him forget what he came for!!!! Is she really in distress or just where she wants to be (struggling to fend off her attacker Fuschia reaches for the dagger she keeps hidden just for occasions like this)............................................. ...................

oooooOOOOO it's just getting good:D


XXXOOO
Speedy

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]
tBm.... when you copied and pasted the LAG thread from the old forum you accidently left out my 1st post... here it is... it's between Whats His Name and bravus's posted on 6/27/02 at 12:30PM PST.....

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Meanwhile, back at the ranch, Speedy overhears two of the wranglers discussing their plans for the day.. it seems the weekly run to Dayport was put off due to bad weather… as luck would have it she hasn’t missed hitching a ride into town on the wagon that will carry fresh meat for stew to the Crippled Burrick after all. Staying hidden in the barn for another hour or so will give her a chance to freshen up a bit.
Looking forward to running into several of her fellow taffers at the pub she reminisces about meetings past… it’s the end of the month with the rent due on the first.. so there’s probably more than a few thiefty plans being made there tonight. Hoping she’s not to late to get in on the fun she sneaks onto the wagon and settles down for the bumpy ride to town………………

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Without it it makes my 2nd post sound goofy heh

I hope you can slip it in:D Thanks!!!!!!!!

XXXOOO
Speedy

Fixed. I checked my original edit and it was there. Don't know how it got lost . Sorry. :eek: :o

[Thorin Oakenshield]

Originally posted by THEthief
C'mon, guys n' gals - someone besides me has to post there!! :)

We would, We can't type a word in edgeways :D Lol
Watch out for them bluecoats TheThief ;)

[SlyFoxx]

heh... sorry Sly... I was playing off of tBms comments (etc.) ......Speedy[143]


No problem. I love the idea of a monk visiting a brothel.:D I'll catch up eventually.

sly

[Speedy[143]]

No problem tBm I knew it wasn't done on purpose:D

LOL@Sly.... Monk schmonk the Templar's on a mission!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hehehehe

XXXOOO
Speedy

[Gumdrop]

Hmm...I must see what Fuschia's up to sometime this weekend. :)

[Thorin Oakenshield]

I'm sorry to say Gummie, But She's seeing someone else:( :D

[theBlackman]

Nice job SlyFoxx:D

[SlyFoxx]

Blackman:

Thanks....I wanted to just put an arrow in The Templar but I thought that rushing in to save the damsal in distress was not in character. Plus a dead or injured Templar would put a damper on things. This way he's pi---d off and might do something rash or foolish that a cunning thief could exploit. Or maybe I just signed my death warrent.:eek: We'll see.

SlyFoxx

[theBlackman]

Sly, You can wound him or hassle him but you can't kill him.

Good luck

[SlyFoxx]

Humm does that mean. Don't kill him you fool of a Foxx! Or does that mean...you can't kill him he's got some kinda "magical" or special power. If the later is the case...what's up with that? Sounds cool...we should add some kind of history regarding his special abilites if he has them.

Sly

[theBlackman]

SLY

You MAY NOT KILL HIM. He is a character "Made by another Author" Read the first 5 or 6 posts in this thread about the "Rules of Engagement."

Only AI that are NOT critical to the story, such as the guard, and other incidental AI.

Main characters can only be "killed" with the permission of, or by the originator.
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The rules are simple. Any and all members of the forum may post a continuation of the story.

You need not takeup the action started by another poster.

You may start a coincidental activity that may or may not directly merge with the main action, or a parallel action or story.

It is desired that the characters be mentioned as they interact with your storyline. But is not essential.

You may play yourself (forum name), as most of us do, or an alter ego. If the character you are writing about is an alter ego, be certain to so state so that YOU don't get mentioned in anothers post, and dragged into the play as yourself.

You may not kill the the author. It is also not a good idea to kill introduced "AI" unless they (like the guard that is lying in the alley) are merely decoration, or if you check with the author although forcing a sudden burst of imagination on the writer(s) can be fun.

You may take over another character briefly, provided both of you are in the same scenario. Or as bravus has done, continue the action started by the intial storyline, and character.

Do keep in mind that it sometimes is wise to consult with your co-conspirator, or the character you are about to steal, here, in the comment thread. They may have a plot in development. Allow freedom of plot, and action to remain with the author(s).

It is also a good idea to leave the portion you write a bit open. This is not a cast in stone principle, but if you end a seqment with options open for subsequent action, it's more fun and easier for the next contributor.

There are occassions when the above will not matter. But when in doubt. Check.

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The parallel comments thread is a great idea and a necessity, and something I thought of suggesting independently when I saw how it would go!
Can I just add a further caution - this should probably be kept for comments on the *process* and possibly meta-story plotting stuff, but not for comments/critique on people's contributions to the story (however tempted we might be!) Yep, people will write things differently from how I would write them, and maybe even take the story in directions I hadn't imagined (and in the process toast a really cool direction I *had* imagined!) But the whole *point* of a shared story, IMNSHO, is the skill of improv: take what you're given and head off full speed ahead from there!

Having said all that, it makes sense if we can restrain ourselves to staying 'in world': while I love dada and surrealism, the arrival of aliens with a yen for probing in Garrett's world would make it veyr hard for the rest of us to continue having fun with the story.

These are all definitely IMOs, from someone who arrived here right on the tail of the original LAG and didn't really participate (IIRC).

Later,

Bravus


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One more little thing. I should have put it in the "rules".
Try to keep "SIGS" and other tags out of the thread. As these have been known to grow to 200 or 300 entries, the less padding the better.

Remember. You, as the author, will know things that the Character you write in may not know.

As an example, GumDrop the Author, knows I am in the Burrick, and that I dumped the unconcious guard in the intersection.

Gumdrop the character does not. So until the character meets me, or another party, or is told the tale by someone, much of the action will not have an effect on them, nor will they be able to use the knowledge.

I know there is a Templar in town and that the body has been discovered. Now dead. The guy drinking in the Burrick does not know this.

Addenda I have a copy of the "cast of characters" from the original LAG, this includes AI and streets and locations.

It is not needed to author a line or a chapter, but may clear some confusion for those who weren't here for the first two (Konfessions and Like A Glove) when "we" use names of places and people that are not in the THIEF game series.

If you would like one, Email me and I will send you a ZIP of the original thread, and a Cast of Characters Doc.

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[SlyFoxx]

Ahh a 3rd reason. That's cool w/ me and makes perfect sence. BTW Waz...where are ya' buddy?

[Gumdrop]

Originally posted by Thorin Oakenshield
I'm sorry to say Gummie, But She's seeing someone else:( :D

:eek:

This is very strange. The last time I brushed up on the events in Dayport I sware the last 4 or 5 entries were simply not there, but the dates show they should have been. :confused:

Oh well. I guess old Trixter has also reregistered on this new forum...Didn't take him long. :rolleyes: :D

Nice to see you returning to a familiar stomping ground tBM. I was planning on weaving the "Spout" into the story somehow. I guess I'll have to cross Hawker's Bridge aswell...Just for oldtimes sake.

Great comeback Speedy. I was planning to elaborate on Fuschia a little, but as I've already said, your post didn't show up the last time I checked in. I didn't picture her as emotionally attached in any way to Gummie, but I can work with that. Man she took a beating...Gonna have to bring out her sadistic side me thinks. ;)

[SlyFoxx]

Sorry about the number of posts. If I try to put in too much it takes too long and I get logged off automaticly. I hate it when I type for 15 minutes and lose all my work to the either!

Enjoy....

SlyFoxx

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by SlyFoxx
Sorry about the number of posts. If I try to put in too much it takes too long and I get logged off automaticly. I hate it when I type for 15 minutes and lose all my work to the either!

Enjoy....

SlyFoxx

Open notepad. write whatever you want, then copy paste into the thread. That way you won't post a paragraph or two and lose the sequence because someone else jumps in between.

Also you can have the forum up in a reduced window with the notepad also reduced and switch back and forth. Then when you have your note finished just post and close Notepad.

:D

[SlyFoxx]

Ahhh. Will try that. :o

thanks

sly

[SlyFoxx]

Is anybody out there interested in keeping this thang going?

SlyFoxx


killer of Danguard and horses of authority figures

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by SlyFoxx
Is anybody out there interested in keeping this thang going?

SlyFoxx


killer of Danguard and horses of authority figures

I'll be back. Summer is always a slow time for this. The wilfe is getting around better so I'll have time to get after the murderer (chuckle) :p

[Speedy[143]]

I am... I just felt like I was posting more than my share:( and being relatively new to the community I didn't want to step on any toes:D

You're doing a great job with your character and the storyline Sly;)

I'm glad to hear your wife's recovery is in full gear Dusty... check your ICQ once-in-awhile heheheheh

XXXOOO
Speedy

[Gumdrop]

I'll get back to the yarn next week. :)

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]
I am... I just felt like I was posting more than my share:( and being relatively new to the community I didn't want to step on any toes:D

You're doing a great job with your character and the storyline Sly;)

I'm glad to hear your wife's recovery is in full gear Dusty... check your ICQ once-in-awhile heheheheh

XXXOOO
Speedy

So solly. ICQ not running at the moment. I have been trying to tweak my new system and ICQ has been left until I have all the Sound card stuff installed.

I am still having trouble with the Audigy Drivers. I have GOBACK, however, so I can experiment to my hearts content and not worry about having to do a complete Format reinstall when things lockup from a new program or (in this case) set of drivers.

[SlyFoxx]

Oh ma gawd:eek: Who wacked The Templar? And I thought I was in trouble. Hummm. The plot thickins.

[THEthief]

Originally posted by SlyFoxx
Oh ma gawd:eek: Who wacked The Templar? And I thought I was in trouble. Hummm. The plot thickins.

I guess that was ... me? :D :)

[littlek]

Uh oh - we are in trouble now.....:eek:

[SlyFoxx]

Hidin' low movin" right to left.
You see (me) commin' I think it's best
Move away, hear what I say
Under my breath

Tonight there's gonna' be a jailbreak
Somewhere in this town
Tonight there's gonna' be a jailbreak
Don't wanna be around

-Thin Lizzy-

[Gumdrop]

“Ah, fodder from God.”

Love that line Speedy. :)

Sorry Littlek. :p

[littlek]

Originally posted by Gumdrop



Sorry Littlek. :p

What for? About feeding my horses 'shrooms? No wonder they are acting goofy lately. :D

[Speedy[143]]

I had fun using it!!!!

Welcome to the story yubetcha:D I was hoping someone would rescue me.. I hate to bonk Bennie but I was prepared to do it hehehehehe

Hmmmmmm I got a sister hey??!! The plot thickens.. sorry had to say it LOL:p

XXXOOO
Speedy

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]
I had fun using it!!!!

Welcome to the story yubetcha:D I was hoping someone would rescue me.. I hate to bonk Bennie but I was prepared to do it hehehehehe

Hmmmmmm I got a sister hey??!! The plot thickens.. sorry had to say it LOL:p

XXXOOO
Speedy

Thanks, Speedy...I hope you see this before you post. I didn't rescue you...yet :). I was finishing up a loose end from another story. A friend's sister was kidnapped, and I had to rescue her. At the end of the last story, I introduced her brother to the story, and mentioned that I needed to find him and get him away from the evildoers. So this post was finishing that up. I was rescuing him, not you...but give me a little time :). Sorry I didn't make that clear in the story. I guess I should fix it.

[yubetcha]

Okay, post fixed, and Speedy's door unlocked.

Actually, Speedy, I considered unlocking your cell door in my first post, but I thought that you might have put yourself there for an important reason. I didn't want to ruin it for you, so I didn't open it. I thought maybe you would post a "Hey! Unlock my door" if you wanted out. But this works too :). So there ya are. Run with it :).

[theBlackman]

Doing good guys and gals. Now that the wife is getting around a bit by herself, I can do some writing and get my guy back into the action.

[Speedy[143]]

I had it totally wrong heh

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

Speedy, I was hoping that the unconcious body in the cell with you was me! If I was wrong.....send a gas arrow my way. ;)

I'll try to keep up with the story but I just started teaching riding at a 2 week riding camp. All these horse crazy kids are fun.:)

[Speedy[143]]

I was glad it was YOU... actually it was going to be a woman wearing a corset.. I was going to use one of the stays also called boning as a lockpick to make my escape but we got out and that's all that matters... thanks to yubetcha:D

Teaching riding to children sounds like so much fun.... I once sent my now grown daughter to riding camp during the summer when she was in middle school.... she still talks about it and remembers the horses name she was responsible for... it was a wonderful experience... you'll be participating in making the same kinds of memories for other children... so enjoy!!!!!

Cya when you get back.... we'll be here;)

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

....I don't wear no corset!

[Speedy[143]]

Then she would had to have been Fuschia!!!!

Check out these riding corests... you may change your mind;)

Oh la la........ hehehehhe

http://www.agelesspatterns.com/9_Corsetsx.html

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]

Check out these riding corests... you may change your mind;)


http://www.agelesspatterns.com/9_Corsetsx.html

XXXOOO
Speedy

YIKES!

[SlyFoxx]

"ME": "Humm...what to do...what to do?" Sly cracks open a Pete's Wicked Summer Brew and ponders. A few possibilites come to mind.

ME: "Careful Foxx 'ol boy." "Don't want to slip up now."

"I": "Reckon you'll track down The Templar?"

"ME": "I've to hold Council on the matter...with myself and others of great importance like "ME" and "I."

at this point the ale our hero is consuming foams over into tehjwe keyyyygdbord fuchkign things op a bit.

"I": "That'al never do Sly 'ol boy. Gotta 'ave a steady nerve."

"ME": reaching for a rag "I got it...I got it... stop your laughing d--kh--d."



:p

[Gumdrop]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]
Check out these riding corests... you may change your mind;)


Ooh yeah...I'll take one #1320 1876 WHITE COUTIL CORSET. Looks like I might have room to stash a couple of spare scouting orbs down the front. :D

[littlek]

LOL Gummie - so is this going to be a new taffer outfit?

[SlyFoxx]

Maybe you should stash a flash bomb down one side and a scouting orb down the other, that way you're doubly covered.
:)

[Speedy[143]]

It gave me goosebumps:eek:

To bad you don't wear a corset you could take out a stay and stab the SOB heh

I wonder if there are any unwelcomed creatures in here with me???? *looks around suspiciously*:D

XXXOOO
Speedy

[yubetcha]

Littlek, you wrote: "Sneaks long sigh at her success...". Did you mean Speedy's?

[littlek]

uh....yup! :o

[Speedy[143]]

I thought you ment YOU snuck a long sigh at your success but found that now you faced a huge spider not meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee:eek: dang thanks for clearing that up yubetcha... yeah thanks a lot:rolleyes: LOL

XXXOOO
Speedy <------- must leave NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[yubetcha]

LOL! Sorry, Speedy. Dontcha wish we could do this day over again? :D. But who knows? It could be worse. That hissing sound could be Eddie Murphy on drugs and full of gas...:D

Actually, I knew that she wasn't referring to herself, because she mentioned a room. The only person in any kind of a room was you. She was in the hallway. That's what the picture in my mind told me, anyway. And the voices in my head :D. BTW, I have a question. Why do the voices in people's heads always argue with each other? ... :D :D :D

[littlek]

I am too much of a coward to face that spider so I thought you'd like to have a crack at it. Hope your riding corset has something in it to kill the critter...or the weapons in that spider's room are still functional.

I have also been wondering where everyone else is. Last I heard, a prized burrick was being sought, WhatzHERface was being tortured by that Templar that was knocked out and tBM was celebrating his birthday.

[theBlackman]

tBm will be back at the Whales Spout shortly. At present the daily routine, having been adjusted due to the wife's problem, has prevented the drafting of my addition to the tale.

Fear not I shall return. The tale of the stolen burrick is also on hold temporarily, as GumDrop has some RL projects that have prevented his appearance to rescue Thorin and himself from the throes of burrick shenanigans.

He too shall return.

Meanwhile I am enjoying the progressing tale. Yubba, LK and Speedy, among others are doing well. BTW, just step on them lil spiders LK. :D :D

[Speedy[143]]

Originally posted by littlek
I am too much of a coward to face that spider so I thought you'd like to have a crack at it. Hope your riding corset has something in it to kill the critter...or the weapons in that spider's room are still functional.

Oh believe me there WILL be weapons available in the spiders den... unfortunately I'm not wearing a corset I'm incognito:cool: dressed as a boy... so I don't have any stays to use as a lockpick :(

Actually the spider opened a plethora of scenarios littlek... I got some surprises up my sleeve/s for everyone... is this fun or what!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

Glad to hear the others will be back;)

XXXOOO
Speedy

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]


Oh believe me there WILL be weapons available in the spiders den...

Gee, just like in the movies :D...find a problem and a solution with it LOL!


Originally posted by Speedy[143]
Actually the spider opened a plethora of scenarios littlek... I got some surprises up my sleeve/s for everyone... is this fun or what!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

XXXOOO
Speedy

Could I make a suggestion? You may have already thought of this, but I suggest that you don't find something in the room that the spider should have set off previously while walking around in the room, such as mines. :)

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by yubetcha

Could I make a suggestion? You may have already thought of this, but I suggest that you don't find something in the room that the spider should have set off previously while walking around in the room, such as mimes. :)

Why worry if the spider sets off a MIME no one will hear it anyway. :D :p

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by theBlackman


Why worry if the spider sets of a MIME no one will hear it anyway. :D :p

No, what I meant was how could you find a mine, even a gas mine or a flash mine, if the spider should have set it off some time previously by walking over it. And even an explosive mine would cause at least one dead spider, so you should find one there, if there were any of those mines lying around. :)

[Speedy[143]]

Look how he altered your spelling of "mine" yubetcha... he's pulling your leg sweetie

I already thought about the spider setting off any mines stored in the open... I've THOUGHT about a lot of things that may or may not happen heheheheh

XXXOOO
Speedy

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by yubetcha


No, what I meant was how could you find a mine, even a gas mine or a flash mine, if the spider should have set it off some time previously by walking over it. And even an explosive mine would cause at least one dead spider, so you should find one there, if there were any of those mines lying around. :)


LOL Gotcha!! Right on Speedy. :D :D

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by theBlackman



LOL Gotcha!! Right on Speedy. :D :D

No ya didn't. Sorry to disappoint you (yeah right) :p . How could I NOT see MIME? It was capitalized, which made it stick out like a sore thumb. I'm not exactly blind, ya know! :p And yes I put it together with not hearing. I just decided to ignore it and explain. I wasn't sure if you understood me. And to be honest, there was a small question in the back of my mind, like the first rays of light peeking over the horizon, as to whether it was yet another misspelling. :p Joking, sort of.

[littlek]

Yubetcha - maybe that spider has put a spell on you so that you misread things.........hmmmmm.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
Yubetcha - maybe that spider has put a spell on you so that you misread things.........hmmmmm.

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough, so I edited the above post before deciding to add this one. I hope THAT helps! No, I got it. Mime=no hear. But I chose to ignore it for the reason given. And I was half kidding about the misspelling, and there is a lot of that around here.

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by yubetcha


Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough, so I edited the above post before deciding to add this one. I hope THAT helps! No, I got it. Mime=no hear. But I chose to ignore it for the reason given. And I was half kidding about the misspelling, and there is a lot of that around here.

Shirley, you don't mean to say that the members of this staid upright forum, would stoop to assinine, peurile jokes of that nature. :D :D

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by theBlackman


Shirley, you don't mean to say that the members of this staid upright forum, would stoop to assinine, peurile jokes of that nature. :D :D

Nah, <strike>noone</strike> (WTF?!) no one <strike>hear</strike> (hmmmm :rolleyes: ) here <strike>wood</strike> (SH*T! :mad: ) would <strike>stupe</strike> (Oh for cryin'...) stoop <strike>two</strike> (@?##$?%&*#.. SON OF A... ..$%*@ :o ) to that. (Whew)
And BTW, don't call me <strike>surly</strike> uh, surely...oops! Shir....aw, forget it! :D

BTW #2, I wonder what would happen if someone turned off the runway lights today...er...tonight, and said " :D Just kidding". How about if you try it and let us know what happens? :D <small> Note to self: I need to rent that again</small>

[theBlackman]

Phunny. "Get every light we have and put them on the runway." <small>Not exact but clothes enuff.</small>

Part 2 or Airplain revizitid wuz knot sew phunny. :D

[littlek]

Speedy, that is AWESOME!

...........gave me the heebie jeebies.

[Speedy[143]]

Thanks littlek it was fun to write.... I've got the next segment ready to post but I'd feel like a big fat hog posting 3-in-a-row heh

I guess I'll just keep falling and falling and falling and... until another taffer let's his/her imagination run away with him/her then I can go splat:confused: nah Speedy never splats:cool:

Actually come to think of it I have had my share of splatting while engaged in my thiefty ways:eek: it hurts... hurts bad:(

In my best haunted voice "Join us.... join us noooowwwwwww!!!"

XXXOOO
Speedy:D

[littlek]

Oh no Yubetcha......do we have to face a haunt? They scare me more than spiders. she shudders

You go first! I'll be right behind you........ trust me. :D

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
Oh no Yubetcha......do we have to face a haunt? They scare me more than spiders. she shudders

You go first! I'll be right behind you........ trust me. :D

LOL! Suuuuuurrrrre. I thought that perhaps you would want to do the honors. But maybe we won't have to. <i>They both turn to look at Speedy </i> :D Just kidding, Speedy. Gee, I wonder what's on the other side of that door. heh heh heh

[Speedy[143]]

Company:D GOOD to see you both... way to go littlek... that's one way to face your spider fears heheheh

Hmmmmmm let's see I'll take door number 2 please LOL@Yubetcha:eek:

Well my plan is to get to the docks and find an old salty dog I can trust;) who might be able to help me pinpoint some of the landmarks on the pirate's treasure map:D

We could make either door an entrance to the sewers or we could go for the haunt's door and have him chase us for awhile then into a waterway of some sort... I've already got my next segment written which I can edit without any problem just let me know if either one or both of you want to go for one hellava water ride!!!!!!!! In the mean time I'm going to let Yubetcha explore the room a little further and littlek YOU need to get that goo off you before it starts to stink heh

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

Water ride sounds fun....plus it'll get the spider slime off me.

[Gumdrop]

Littlek - I was just reading up on the story to see who is with who etc...and I noticed you have me marked down as the Dwarf in your horsey narration (which was a cool idea so I went with it myself ;) ). I guess you are not a fan of fantasy fiction as you would have realised that the only Taffer that could possibly be a Dwarf is Thorin Oakenshield! :)

If you could go back and correct it that would make the story flow better. Thanks.

By the way. It took me a good 45 minutes to read through the whole thing as it stands so far, so I guess we've got a real yarn on our hands. Great stuff! :)

[littlek]

Gum - got it done. Sorry for misreading it but the thought of those 'srooms made me drool on my keyboard.

What is ironic is that I am currently writing a lab for my students investigataing Fungi. Wonder where I can get some glowing ones......

[yubetcha]

I edited my last post, so if you read it, you may want to try again. I decided that it needed something, so I wrote a novel :D. I tried to shorten it, and succeeded, a little. Sorry it's so long. I took out a little of the fat, explored a little more, and added something near the end. It seemed boring, so I tried to fix it :). If you wrote something already, and this edit messes you up, let me know. I have the original post and can put it back if need be. Did you guys find anything in the trunk?

[littlek]

Yubetcha - That was awesome. I never could hold my sneezes. Gotta think about what could be in that chest. Maybe something that could nuke those haunts. Whatcha think Speedy?

I am wondering about tBM who is still in the bar and Stikboy is still laying unconcious in an alley.

Cannot wait to see what happens to Thorin and Gum's adventure with a munched out Burrick.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek

I am wondering about tBM who is still in the bar and Stikboy is still laying unconcious in an alley.



Yeah, wouldn'tcha know...while some people work, others are taking life easy :D

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by yubetcha


Yeah, wouldn'tcha know...while some people work, others are taking life easy :D

Well being <s>retarded</s> err... retired, some of us can sit in a bar. :p

Seriously folks, I promise to get some action going, plus a note to Stikboy, soon. The wife is pretty much on her own now except for some minor physical activities.

[Speedy[143]]

Nice edit Yubetcha.... first time I read your original post I said NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO don't kill yourself off pleeeeeeeeease.. then I reread it and thought hmmmmmm this could work both ways... your edit made it a little easier:D No way are we going to let you die hehehehe

Yeah we found some great stuff in the trunk littlek go check it out:cool:

BTW.....

Originally posted by littlek
What is ironic is that I am currently writing a lab for my students investigataing Fungi. Wonder where I can get some glowing ones......

I didn't realize you were a teacher???? My son teaches 6th grade earth science and geology;)

Hang at that bar a little longer Blackman I'm/we're on our way:D

Welcome back Gummy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

LOL Speedy - that is a classic. Wonder how Yubetcha is going to smell with all that haunt goo all over him.

Yes, I teach High School Biology at a private school.

[yubetcha]

I liked your contribution, Speedy. And I was wondering what you guys would find in the trunk.
BTW, I am sometimes here on weekends, and sometimes not. I'll probably be here later...possibly like 1:00 or 2:00 in the morning. But I tried to give you guys enough room if I'm not. So if you want, go ahead and write. Don't wait up for me :D. If you decide to explore with me, then go ahead and write my character for a little while. If you want to leave, feel free, but please leave my character here to explore. I'll just catch up with you when I come back. (And I can write any result to catch up). But you're welcome to explore with me, as I wrote. Anyway, we don't make a bad team. Haunts don't stand a chance :D

[Gumdrop]

Just a quick note/bump/"yay" all in one. :)

Keep up the good taffings everyone. I am enjoying the unfolding drama that is currently going on in other parts of the city, and given another week and a half, the current big/super important/mucho wonga contract that is currently sucking up our firm will be done and dusted and I can return to the fray in earnest (YESSSsss...I finally managed to slip in one of my fav' words! :D ).

I started printing out the yarn this evening (confessions & LaG taught me the meaning of posterity), and have already devoured 15 pages using a super sexy DL'd "Mochingo" font set at size 9! My staple gun will only pierce close to 20 pages, so it looks like I will have to resort to multiple batches! Still, I am one for reading in bed (sounding old as the hills here) so I am looking foreward to going through the begining when I hit 40 pages. :)

[Speedy[143]]

Originally posted by Gumdrop
(YESSSsss...I finally managed to slip in one of my fav' words! :D ).

Wongo or frey?????:D

Great idea Gummy I think I'll dl it as well.. never can tell when "things" might get lost in the pixels;)

Yubetcha, littlek, and I ARE having fun.... we'll stilll be here when you get more time...... is it time yet?????? hehehehe

XXXOOO
Speedy

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]


Wongo or frey?????:D



Maybe it's 'mucho' or 'earnest'. :D
Don't mind me. I just wanted to bump this up :D

[littlek]

LOL - Is there ever an end to these spiders and spider goo? Need a special antispider weapon....hmmmm...what's in that chest over there.

Been covered up at work but I am always thinking of something. Hopefully I'll ge the time to write it down.

[yubetcha]

Nothing wrong with spiders. We needed to move forward, not go backward. What better way to close it off? Especially when it's so obvious:
1) Thief spiders are aggressive and therefore would naturally attack humans they can see.
2) because of candlelight, they can see us

Guess what 1+2 equals. :)

[Speedy[143]]

Originally posted by littlek
LOL - Is there ever an end to these spiders and spider goo? Need a special antispider weapon....hmmmm...what's in that chest over there.

What's in the chest??? Anything you want littlek:D I left it wide open so you and Yubetcha could take what you needed. Since you had no weapons at all I figured you would want to load up.

I had found a sword, a bow, 2 broadheads, 4 water arrows, a warped rope arrow, set of lockpicks and BJ from the room above... plus I still have my wooden spider stake heh. I used up 2 water arrows on one of the haunts so I took a few more things from the chest after you and Yubetcha took what you needed but I didn't get a chance to say what they were before we went through the door into the new area :rolleyes: np..... I'll fit it in when it comes time to pull out the weapons again:D

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

Read and weep! :D

I think we are on our way out. Keep that warped rope arrow around.

[Speedy[143]]

Great additions littlek and Yubetcha.. I laughed... I cried... I really got excitied.... The holy water mine was c00l!!!!!!!!:cool: The graffiti in the bathroom cracked me up:D

I spent a little bit of time late last night editing the sequence I wrote weeks ago but haven't posted yet to include both of you.... it's going to fit in really well once Yubetcha is done exploring... this if FUN:eek: Just let me know when you're both ready for that bath and we'll make a dramatic exit... totally up to Yubetcha at this point I want to see what's down the hall and in those rooms:confused:

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

ROTFLMAF on the bathroom graffitti Yubetcha. That is a classic. Maybe there ought to be an FM of this LAG. I do not have the time nor the talent.

I dreamed up the holy water mine at 3 am - couldn't sleep. It'd be a nice addition to Garrett's arsenal when down in the bonehoard.

[yubetcha]

That mine was a good idea, LittleK. I think you should email that to the Thief 3 designers. Couldn't hoit :D

[littlek]

Yubetcha, try as I might, I cannot think exactly what creature has heavy breathing and growls. Is it a Burrick or maybe an Ent? I don't remember the sounds of the Ents too well since they scared the jabeeza's out of me.

[yubetcha]

Littlek, I just read the story. Thorin and Gumdrop?!?! Down there with us?? How could they have gotten down there in the underground church from where they were in their last post? Actually, I had something else in mind. Something scarier than a burrick. I see burricks as only a little more harmful than a puppy. Oh well. Now a tree ent! I hadn't thought of that, but that would be a good idea. That's an encounter after which many people have had to wash their underwear. :)

[littlek]

If it does not fit, I can take it out. Just my imagination going amok. Anyhow, maybe the way they came in is the way out....or maybe tree ents are afraid of burricks....especially the renowned gaseous maximus.

Dunno and I have no idea how that story popped into my head. Must be all this fungi in my room.

[yubetcha]

It doesn't matter to me whether Gummie et. al. are there or not. I just hope that they can explain themselves. I wish one of them would post to let us know. And I've never seen a burrick and an ent together, but I would be very surprised if ents were afraid of burricks. :)

[Gumdrop]

Thanks for the email Yubetcha, I can see the problem now. If you want to keep the atmosphere down there a creepy one, then maybe a runaway Burrick and a couple of bumbling Taffer's don't quite fit the bill. :D

I will leave it up to you guys to work out, and will go back and edit my last post if need be. I did have a little idea on how I wanted to progress, but really don't mind where I'm dumped as it can be fun to go with whatever is thrown at you. Thorin seems to be buisy, so I'm just dragging him along with me to keep him in the story incase he wants to jump in again later.

I'll be back in buisness at the weekend so don't let me hold you up. Now where's that Blackie... ;)

[littlek]

How about if I just delete my last story? Doesn't seem like it fits in with what everyone had planned.

[yubetcha]

As GumDrop said, it can be fun to be thrown in unexpectedly. I don't mind if you leave it in, as long as GumDrop doesn't. I just hope that it doesn't mess up his plans or make the story too light :). If GumDrop followed the burrick into this area, we could probably get out the same way. But Speedy had another way out, if I recall. Where is she, anyway? I just don't see how the burrick, Thorin and GumDrop could've gotten to where we are, that's all. This church is underground and was boarded up as well. :)

[Gumdrop]

Originally posted by yubetcha
I just hope that it doesn't mess up his plans...
Haha. Well this whole Burrick heist can't get any more messed up, so no worries there. :)

I've been thinking about it a little and maybe this is a good way to get my tangent moving again and back into the whole Templar arc. Maximus breaks loose, chomps all my mushrooms, then bolts out the stable on the hunt for more. There are many ways the underground can be linked together - like a persuit through the sewers. Thorin and I chase Maximus down into her old haunt which could easily connect to abandoned basements etc...

Originally posted by littlek
How about if I just delete my last story?
Maybe you could alter it slightly so we rush past? Sort of like a "Hey was that Littlek & Co. back there?" That way you guys can chose whatever exit you want and get me back to the main part of the city.

Like I said, I will edit my post to fit in with whatever. I'll pop in on Sunday. :)

[Speedy[143]]

Question for Yubetcha... as littlek asked.... "What creature has heavy breathing and growls?"

Guess it doesn't really matter at this point... Gummy's ready to run with it... just curious where you were headed:confused: Suggestion.... once the trio passes by that heavy breather, growing thingy could be hot on their trail if you had something in mind!!!!

Indeed I do have a way out and if anyone wants to follow me just speak up... I've written Yubetcha and littlek in already but I've got one of those big pink erasures and can edit it anyway you guys want just give me the word when you're done exploring down here and ready to get wet:D

Sounds like Gummy and Thorin will be on their own as well as their pal Gaseous Maximus.... way to roll with the punches;) hehehehe

EDIT: I see Thorin has taken the reins and got the three of them out and onto the streets above so if littlek edits her post just before his and adds something about the three of them running past us and dissapearing into what ever direction she chooses.... we can either address the sounds Yubetcha heard or use the opportunity to either assume the burrick knows the way out and we can follow her trail anytime or continue exploring..... up to you guys... I'm easy:p Back to work for me I'll try to check in again but I'm going to be busy all day tomorrow... prolly won't be 'til Sunday:D


XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

I edited.

Will those changes allow everyone to keep to their stories? I am anxious for the water ride. ;)

[Thorin Oakenshield]

Hi Guys,
I got an email from yubetcha (Thanks) I forgot this was still running :o
I've edited my post since. I left it open for a few things. Maybe if you follow the way we went you'd reach a Thorin shape hole in a wall to the outside:D Or bring in if Littlek was waving at Thorin or Gummie;) Is there something going on? :p

Later

[yubetcha]

Well, there's the explanation for the growling. That's what I had in mind. The words didn't seem to do justice to the picture in my head, but I hope you got the idea :). I almost made a reference to missions in which we (or Garret) go on missions without weapons, and the reason is usually unexplained. But I cut it out :).

[littlek]

I'd say you did a very good job decribing that thing - gave me the willies. So did we lose Speedy?

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
So did we lose Speedy?

I don't know. I followed you :). Probably not, though. Maybe you followed her.

[Speedy[143]]

Originally posted by yubetcha


I don't know. I followed you :). Probably not, though. Maybe you followed her.

hehehhe.. I'm working on it... should have something of interest in just a few minutes:D

XXXOOO
Speedy

[yubetcha]

littlek, did you say something about hating spiders? :D

[littlek]

Yubetcha, you are naughty. I used to have a pet spider in my bathroom.....but now....anyhow, I was previously stumped as to what to add....until your story inspired me. So... read on.

[yubetcha]

I just brought in the spider :D. I was considering having Speedy shoot it off of your back with an arrow ala William Tell. You did good. What will we come up with next?

[littlek]

Well, I was hoping I left it open for that water ride Speedy promised awhile back.

Gotta share this. I was just walking back from having lunch and absently reached to scratch my back at something that was irritating my skin.....then it hit me....I thought about that spider. Gave me the willies. So I figured I just had a Yubetcha moment.

[Gumdrop]

Ok Thorin. I'll quickly deliver our cold blooded friend and meet you back at the Burrick so we can return to the main story arc...or whatever. :)

[SlyFoxx]

Sorry folks....have been away too long. Been a busy little beta tester for frobber's "The Innseruction." Since it's just about ready for public consumption I've got a lot more time for silly fun stuff like the LAG. Just sat down this (Sunday) morning to get caught up. Sounds like three taffers have gotten themselves into a peck 'o trouble. Stick together you three! You'll be alright if littlek doesn't get into any more spiders. :D

Thorin....you stay in that tub for at least an hour you hear! Gummie will bring the Bishop's Finger ummmm err I mean the Monks Member.

Sly's gonna sit and think up a devilish and sneeky plan for Dagosport. I'm NOT going down on account of a filthy guard.

[littlek]

Speedy, The water ride was fun.....now on for some more adventures.

[Speedy[143]]

It's great to see Sly back too:cool: stories really picking up... go go go Thorin & Gummy... maybe TheBlackMan's ready to jump back in as well:confused: heh I know I asked him to wait 'cuz I was on my way... welp I'm almost there:p

Looks like Yubetcha's got his hands full holding on to "Deadman's Rocks" I'm gonna wait to see where you put yourself littlek before I move on.. I've got several ideas in the works... never thought LAG would turn into so much fun!!!!!!!!!!!!:D


XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

I've been busy and so wrote a lot but I had a lot of fun doing it. Hope I didn't leave anyone out. Let me know and I'll edit.

I'm at the Burrick...

[Speedy[143]]

That's one of the best contribution so far IMHO... there's only one problem and it's a big one I'm afraid BUT it can be fixed real easily...

The Chrippled Burrick is waaaaaaay on the otherside of Dayport and TheBlackMan isn't there... he's at "The Whales Spout" (that's where I'm headed)

Thing is I wouldn't want you to change a thing 'cuz it's a great read... but you're gonna have to tweek it a tiny bit....

Suggestion.... edit it just a tad by eliminating either any reference to TheBlackMan or ask someone where he is and have them say he snuck out the back hours ago... and Garrett needs to tell you he's on his way to the "Chrippled Burrick" ACROSS town to hook up with some mutual friends or whatever... that should take care of it..

Ooooooooorrrrrrrr... you could be dreaming:eek: Yeah you passed out on the dock and had a lovely dream... then you wouldn't have to edit it at all heheheheh

I loved it littlek.. YOU did a great job;) Perhaps we will get some other taffers joining/rejoining in our fun story now thanks to you:D

XXXOOO
Speedy

[Speedy[143]]

heh I was afraid another edit might be missed on above post..

Littlek.... I read your story again and it's just to good to be edited (unless that's what you decide to do) so if the "dream" idea works for you let me know and I'll run with it... I'm itchin to include it in my next segment:D

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

OK, forgot about tBM being at the Whale Spout. Creepy place. I edited and made the Burrick across town and tBM at Whale's Spout. But you could still make it a dream.....that is fine by me. I could easily see myself dreaming about a beer and a bath. :D

[yubetcha]

Littlek, there's a minor problem. It's so minor that it's almost not worth mentioning. You changed tBM to Huntress, but didn't change the phrase about the loot. I think it's kind of funny myself, but Huntress might not like being referred to as a 'his'. :D.
"It was rumored she stashed his wealth in the Bonehoard...."
Someone reading might think she either stole some unmentioned person's loot or had a gender change. :D

[Speedy[143]]

Originally posted by littlek
OK, forgot about tBM being at the Whale Spout. Creepy place. I edited and made the Burrick across town and tBM at Whale's Spout. But you could still make it a dream.....that is fine by me. I could easily see myself dreaming about a beer and a bath. :D

c00l!!!!! Thanks littlek this will be fun... I'm swamped with work right now but I will make some time late this afternoon to post:D

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

SPEEDY, THAT'S AWESOME! Since we passed the 'pure of heart' test. we have to go back and get that book......and revisit that beast yubetcha had in the cave.

Hey, save me a bite of that burrick steak.

[Nightwalker]

I just wanted to tell you all how much I'm enjoying reading the story you're creating! I leave it for a week or so and then I get to read a bunch of it all at once. Thanks for all the entertainment! :)

[yubetcha]

Littlek and Speedy, I can't see the continuity in your last posts. Am I misreading? In littlek's post, she wrote about Speedy knocking out the guard by the bed while he's angrily talking to littlek, and Speedy wrote about finding the guard drunk in front of a mirror, knocking him out and then going to the Whale Spout. :)

[littlek]

we probably posted at the same time.....we'll fix it.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
we probably posted at the same time.....

That's what I thought. The difference in post times is 22 minutes. I guess that you probably posted as Speedy started typing.

[Speedy[143]]

heh that's exactly what happened.. I must have logged on and took way longer posting 'cuz of a long distance phone call I got half way through then didn't go back before submitting it to make sure it still fit.... sorry:( it's a mess now that's for sure.... totally my fault.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm what to do:confused: I've been trying to get to the Whales Spout ever since I found the pirate's map and booty in hopes of hooking up with someone who has expertise about these things:D *coughtBmcough*

If littlek saves her post and replaces it with more of what's going on in her dream I can edit mine to lead into hers.... then she can post it again and the continuity won't be broken!?!?

Do you follow me?????

XXXOOO
Speedy

P.S. Thanks Nightwalker I'm glad you're enjoying the story... you can join us any time you know:cool:

[littlek]

I think if we communicate here we can come up with a story line that flows. No problem editing for me. Will this work:

That guard who woke me up is the same one you knocked out earlier. I can write that in.

You got the food from the Whale Spout and came back to get me.

I have some questions too:

Did you want to return to get the book out of the pool?

Were you looking for tBM at the Whale Spout?

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]
hmmmmmmmmmmmm what to do:confused: I've been trying to get to the Whales Spout ever since I found the pirate's map and booty in hopes of hooking up with someone who has expertise about these things:D *coughtBmcough*
XXXOOO
Speedy

P.S. Thanks Nightwalker I'm glad you're enjoying the story... you can join us any time you know:cool:

Speedy. Did I send you the original LAG? It has general directions to the Spout.

The Spout is on the waterfront outside of Three Gate (the garrison wall that encloses the city from the waterfront.)

From the Burrick the general direction is East. The wall (3 gate) runs south to north with East Gate at the northern end, and West gate at the South and the main gate in the center.

The nomenclature of the gates is based on their location in the wall not on the Compass Rose.

The Spout is at the northern end of Three Gate, just short of Shipwrights way.

Will send the file if you want.

[Speedy[143]]

Thanks littlek... guards don't usually wakeup but they do get replaced when shifts change:D The guard that attacks you could be a new one.. I'd take care of making it clear when I edit my post.... I will be sure to bring food for you from the pub when I come back to check on you...

Also.. I intend to share the info I get with you about the treasure map so we will have plenty to do I'm sure once we get some guidence from tBm:p HINT HINT:D

I don't think we can get back to the pool and no one's been able to retreive the Book anyway.....

I'm not really suppose to know that tBm is at The Whales Spout... what I do know is someone with pirate map and treasure knowledge should drink/reside there.... the last post Dusty made put him there so I'm hoping he will jump in when I ask the bar keep for info:D

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

OK, I'll edit out that we are going back to the caves....instead, we are off to find some treasure! :D

[theBlackman]

OK. I have printed out all the pages except about the last six or eight posts. (70 plus including the comments) and will read up and get back in the game.

The wife (Adrianne) is pretty much self sufficient now so I can take the time to compose something that will fit.

Apologies for the delay, but I must say Yubetcha, LittleK and you, Speedy have been doing a great job. I'm not ignoring Thorin or GD but you three have carried the bulk of the saga. And very well.

[Speedy[143]]

Originally posted by theBlackman


Speedy. Did I send you the original LAG? It has general directions to the Spout.

The Spout is on the waterfront outside of Three Gate (the garrison wall that encloses the city from the waterfront.)

From the Burrick the general direction is East. The wall (3 gate) runs south to north with East Gate at the northern end, and West gate at the South and the main gate in the center.

The nomenclature of the gates is based on their location in the wall not on the Compass Rose.

The Spout is at the northern end of Three Gate, just short of Shipwrights way.

Will send the file if you want.

Yes you sent it to me a long time ago but I just haven't had time to read through it... I'm lucky to be able to keep up with littlk & Yubetcha recently heheheheh...

I had re-read your post when you left from The Crippled Burrick on your trek to The Whales Spout that's why I posted this...

".........I couldn’t see a thing until we finally splashed into the main canal at the edge of Dayport that feeds the waterfront then empties into the sea just east of Threes Gate. One more spillway put us in the chilly sea."

That was the best I could do to put myself as close as possible to the pub in hopes that I'd get some help deciphering the map and identifying the bounty.... my real hope is to get some fresh spin on this yarn by YOU-KNOW-WHO!!!!!!!!!:D

I'm gonna go edit my post so be sure to re-read it when I finish... thanks;)

XXXOOO
Speedy

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]


I don't think we can get back to the pool and no one's been able to retreive the Book anyway.....


XXXOOO
Speedy

I have been considering trying to get back to the pool, and perhaps even finding the spell book again and the other one. I see two possibilities, but I don't know how probable they are. In the church, there are steps going down into darkness. To where? A sewer perhaps? The blockage that I created is in the hallway, between the main church area and that stairway. So if we could find our way back to the stairway, we could easily find the book by going up through the same hole. Sometimes (but not always), when I read about any passages of any kind, I wished that the author would explore them, so I can find out where they lead to :).
The second possibility would be to find how the beast in the cave gets from its lair to the nearby town (if it is doing so, to get food). I say if, because we don't know that it's the same beast. Possibly a long tunnel? And who knows? The beast's lair might have some treasure that once belonged to people it killed. This stuff isn't solid yet, of course, but if you want to get back to the pool, these could be possibilities....unless you just want to go on to something else :).
To see if there is sewer access to the church, perhaps we could break into the local records building and look at the drawings....or littlek and Speedy could go in and "talk" to the records keeper nicely :D. This would probably be in that nearby town where people keep disappearing. And we could probably even expand there on that idea. Quite a few possibilities, I think.

We're glad you're back, tBM, and that your wife is up and around again.

[yubetcha]

Littlek, in case you are confused after reading my latest, I decided to split my last post up after reading yours. I thought that the story might flow better. So part of my last post is before yours, and the other part is after. :)

[Speedy[143]]

Looks like we were able to restore some continuity with all the editing.... all three of us have hooked up again on the wharf not far from The Whales Spout.. we are on our way to pillage another warehouse or weapons factory so we are properly armed... I've shown littlek the map I found and told her I need to discuss it with someone who's knowledgable about such things..... so I for one will be heading back to The Whales Spout in hopes of finding that special someone:D

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

Well, I do think it flows better now. I noticed your split Yubethca. Worked very well.

Glad you are able to get back to the lag tBM because it means things are right as rain at home.....and inside the Whales Spout! Hope you are a good treasure map reader.

I am game for going back to the church and challenge that beasty down there or follow the treasure map. I have a blank mind right now....plus I am passing the buck to someone else - true to my characters cowardly ways. :D

[theBlackman]

Speedy the Whale Spout is a beached SHIP: No windows excep in the upper cabins on deck.

Gum Drop
06-14-2001 04:35 PM
The Whale Spout was not your usual city dive,the whole place was built from the hull of an old galleon resting on it’s side.All the timber had been white-washed,the removed masts had been erected across the street and lit up with hundreds of coloured lanterns. Entering,Gum Drop found the tavern full of swaggering cutthroats and large brash sea Captains.As he followed Lop Ear through the crowd,many of the leathery faces turned and nodded.The bar was a large semi circle made out of a dark wood that is shipped into the city from some far off country,behind it,a huge bronze cast of a whale had been mounted on a large,ornately carved plinth.Water spurted from it’s blow hole and cascaded down it’s sides into a shallow pool.The sides of the plinth were crammed with bottles,most of the labels could not be read,and of those that could,Gum Drop found most to have names that would make any respectable women blush!

theBlackman
06-18-2001 01:08 AM
As he made his way toward the Whales Spout, theBlackman followed the winding streets and byways, sometimes heading toward the harbor othertimes back toward ThreeGate, but always tending west toward the shipyards and the beached galleon that housed the tavern.
The tavern itself occupied the hold of the old galleon with one time gundeck converted into small rooms. The owner rented these out to the travelers passing through, and ,of course, to those shipowners or Captains who needed privacy away from thier wives. A skylight had been cut into the orlop deck overhead allowing light in during the day. Now a faint glow from the lighted masts filtering through. On the main floor of the Whales Spout, some secluded booths had been constructed on either side of the keel near the bows. Isolated from each other and the general hurly burly with curtains made of doubled heavy leather reinforced with chains sewed between the layers in a random pattern to thwart the thrust of sword or dagger. These booths were used frequently for liasons between the sexes or for secure private arrangements of a more sinister purpose.

The jagged opening, forced through the hull of the old converted galleon, had been left as graphic evidence of the violence that had been visited upon her aged hull. The splintered 10 inches of double planked strakes had been trimmed only enough to remove the sharp spikes of Oak that would have endangered those entering. From the hull exterior to the inside of the cargo hold, now tavern, a short arched tunnel ending in leather curtains, tied back to allow the entrance of the mild summer breeze, that opened onto the main floor. Wind paused at the curtained entrance and looked around the tavern floor, noting the upper level and the three hatchways through which her cargo had once been lowered.
The deck beams overhead had been reinforced to make up for the removal of the stantions that once supported the gun deck. This opened the ships interior from stem to stern making the entire hold one long narrow space. Except for the small private booths at the bow and the bar with its spouting brass whale directly opposite the entrance, the interior held only trestle tables and chairs. Bulkheads at each end concealed what appeared to be storerooms and the kitchen. Hard against the wall of ThreeGate, the galleon was lying with her bow to the west. The cable tier and locker seemed to be in use for liqour stores, and the flow of drabs and servers with steaming platters of stew and loaves of bread from the area of the stern identified the kitchen.
The water cascading down the sides of the Whale on the plinth helped cool the large room but did little if anything to reduce the blue haze and mingled odors that filled the air.

[Speedy[143]]

That's quit the pub... welp back to the drawing board er editing board I mean:D This could take awhile.. oh well:rolleyes:

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[yubetcha]

Yes, it is. Is it looking for a part owner by any chance? :)
Also, does anyone remember the movie The Little Shop of Horrors? :D I never saw it myself, but remember the trailers. It looked like a weird movie. Something about strange plants. A musical, if I remember correctly.

[Speedy[143]]

Originally posted by yubetcha
...does anyone remember the movie The Little Shop of Horrors? :D I never saw it myself, but remember the trailers. It looked like a weird movie. Something about strange plants. A musical, if I remember correctly.

LOL@Yubetcha.... excellent play on words... both you and littlek are on a run... and yes I get the L.P. #9 reference too... thumbs up to you both!!!!!:D

I edited my last contribution the best I could... in fact I went back a couple posts and did some editing.... I hope The Whales Spout is more recognizable now... sorry I don't have the time to read the original LAG... thanks for copying and posting the description for me Dusty:)

XXXOOO
Speedy

[littlek]

Speedy, did we ever mention where we were going to meet up when it is time for the treasure hunt?

I also need to come up with something for what the S.P. potion does. Not sure where I was going there.

[yubetcha]

How about Sleeping Potion for someone's drink?
Or Slow Potion (for a fast enemy)? But just try to get them to drink it :D.
Yubetcha stopped as his pursuer caught up to him. Yubetcha said, "Here, drink this while I run away" :D

Or Sight Potion, affecting sight somehow (see in darkness perhaps?)
Slim Potion (to get through small areas?)
Strength Potion
See Potion (far seeing?)
There must be more.

BTW, interesting entry, littlek. What do we have down there in the sewer? Looks familiar :). I wonder how he/she/it got there. Or is it something different? Very interesting.

[yubetcha]

Speedy, we never did find out what caused the compass to go crazy in the caves when it was near you, did we?

[littlek]

Originally posted by yubetcha

BTW, interesting entry, littlek. What do we have down there in the sewer? Looks familiar :). I wonder how he/she/it got there. Or is it something different? Very interesting.

It should be familiar - its your monster! I thought that this was one way the monster got to the city to feed on unwary taffers. But it got trapped under the weapons store when some guard closed the gate......my guess, there is a way for it to get into the weapons store.

LOL on the S.P. ideas. The sleeping potion idea is a great idea - add it to the beer barrell at the pub and put all the guards to sleep. :D

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek


It should be familiar - its your monster! I thought that this was one way the monster got to the city to feed on unwary taffers. But it got trapped under the weapons store when some guard closed the gate......



No, the pinkish monster is the one that attacked us in the church. I never described the other one in the cave, only that I heard the growl! That's the one that gets into town. I wondered how the pinkish monster got there in the sewer. It turns out that you were thinking of one monster, and I was thinking of the other one. The pinkish monster from the church is not the same monster as the one I wrote about who gets into town! It could turn out that they are the same species, I suppose, but the one in the church was created by an incantation, according to the priest's journal. Also, the last time we saw that one, it was buried under some rubble that I created.

[littlek]

Ohhhhhh....I thought it was the same specie of beastie. How about a mutant offspring of pinky?

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
Ohhhhhh....I thought it was the same specie of beastie. How about a mutant offspring of pinky?

sure, I think that would work. That would also give you a chance to describe it in greater detail, if you want, creating your own monster. Or you could leave it the way it is, whichever you prefer.

[Speedy[143]]

heh...

Littlek.... I told you and Yubetcha to meet me in an hour behind The Whales Spout BUT an hour can turn into days here in the land of LAG:D

Yubetcha.... regarding the compass.... my intent was to create some mystery surrounding the artifacts I found with the treasure map... I'm hoping to address the phenomenon when I hook up with one of those saltydogs at The Whales Spout:confused:

Speedy rubs the cramp from her thigh and waits patiently under the table:p

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]
heh...


Speedy rubs the cramp from her thigh and waits patiently under the table:p

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

LOL! You've been under there for what? 3 or 4 days now? That must be one big cramp. :D
If you prop yourself up against a table leg, you could probably go to sleep LOL!

[littlek]

Yubetcha, Sunday, I spent a long time writing my lag so I just had to add it. But I did edit it slightly so now we are back where you had us - at the door. Do you have something in mind of what is behind that door?

Speedy, do you need some liniment?

[yubetcha]

littlek, no, I didn't have anything concrete yet. Right now it's all mud. I had a few things in mind, but haven't decided on which one yet. Maybe some loot and a note saying that the beast is the offspring of Janet Reno and Mike Tyson. One of its ears looks like it was bitten off LOL! (just kidding).
You really added a lot. I bet it took you quite some time to type. I was wondering how we would clear out that building. Good idea.
Anyway, I'll decide on one of the many ideas I have soon for the room, but if you can think of something worth all of the secrecy, go ahead.

[littlek]

LOL :D

We'll have to do an ear check when we finally get out.

[Speedy[143]]

I was really hoping to run into someone that could help me with the treasure map at The Whales Spout... Lop Ear was of no help LOL

Yubetcha and littlek's adventure has been very interesting... way to go you two:D To bad we can't seem to get any new posters to contribute... I haven't seen a Templar in hours heh

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[yubetcha]

Yeah, I guess the rest lost interest. Some even said they would get back into it, and then they don't. We are always starting these things and never finishing them. It looks like this will be another one! Some haven't posted in quite a long time. I don't know why we keep starting these if we aren't going to get any farther than we do. I guess the Templar and some of the others left town :). Maybe we'll have to start writing for the Templar, and some others. And if they get sentenced to Cragscleft for ten years, well, that's life.

[yubetcha]

If anyone has an idea for the man in the cell, go ahead and write it in. I don't care much for my idea, but I guess I'll post it if no one else does. It would also be an excellent time for new people or ones who have been absent for awhile to get in to the story. I can also change it to a woman. If you don't post anything or post here that you plan to by this Wednesday afternoon or tonight, then I guess I'll post mine. But I would rather not :).

[littlek]

I too have resisted writing about the identity of the man in the cell hoping someone would join in. I have already written a piece about who I thought it could be if an Eidos taffer doesn't want to join the LAG. I'll go ahead and post it. If it doesn't work or someone wants to join in, I'll delete it. Just ell me here.

it is interesting that you discussed an ending for the LAG. I was thinking of that also. Maybe we could end it after we find the treasure then retire to some island using our skills to keep taffers away from our loot.

[littlek]

Speedy, where are you?

OK you taffin taffers, we need some help here....:mad:

[yubetcha]

Thanks for abandoning us, guys, and leaving your part of the story hanging. Why do we EVER start these in the first place???? We never finish them. I'm sure that we haven't completed one yet. Must be that you get bored too easily. Maybe you should work on that. Or not start any more of them.

[littlek]

That is a great new twist.....leaves it open for some EIDOS TAFFERS to join the fun.

Now, where is Speedy? Do we wait to see if she joins us? Then we have a decision to make.......find the treasure and say "let them rot in prison" while we enjoy the good life or is it off to Cragscliff to rescue everyone?

[Speedy[143]]

Sorry Yubetcha and littlek I've had the flu since Monday... today's catchup day in the office and I've got to get to the bank and psot office ASAP!!!!!! so I'm not going to be able to post anything today.... I haven't even read either of your most recent posts:( but I promise to before I continue:D

Before the weekends over I'll have Speedy back in the thick of things:cool: thanks for hanging in there gang!!!!!!!;)

XXXOOO
Speedy

[yubetcha]

Sorry to hear that you've been ill, Speedy. I figured you would be back, so I wasn't referring to you I hope you know. You held out longer than the other guys :).

Littlek, did you get my PM about the potion book not being found in the caverns as you wrote? Or am I not remembering something correctly? :)

[littlek]

No, I didn't get a PM....but I may have set it so I don't get them. So, where did we find that book? In the shop?

Glad to have you back Speedy! Flu bug is the pits. :(

OK, read you PM, I'll edit so it reads correctly. How do you remember all these details?

[yubetcha]

Yeah, we found it in the shop. I guess it comes with my job :). I have to work with details as a mech. drafter/designer. Besides, it seems to be a little more difficult to remember the ones I don't write than the ones I do :).

[Gumdrop]

Keep holding out guys. I will get back in there at some point (maybe this weekend), but my lifesyle at the moment gives me little time to come and play, and what time I can grab for taffing is spent under the hood of DromEd.

I need to try and bring my arc back on course, so if you lot could post a general outline on what you have in mind, I can hook up later.

:)

[littlek]

Gummy - Wanna be the person we have been looking for who can interpret Speedy's treasure map? We could meet up in the library's secret room. I just submitted a post.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek IN ANOTHER THREAD

“We could watch the expanded version of “Lord of the Rings” on their new wide screen TV.” Littlek suggested, sensing her pint of ale was not in her near future.

Speedy and Yubetcha looked at her closely, questioning her sanity. “Wrong century.” Yubetcha replied.



Yubetcha asked littlek the next question. “Who is the love of your life?”

“Benny.”

LOL! :D :D :D

[littlek]

I figured you would make me reveal all my secrets until the T.P wears out.

[yubetcha]

I'm not trying to pick on you, littlek :). It's just a little difficult to write about anyone who's not currently posting in this situation, to keep this part of the story going (the murder). but there might be a side benefit. I think it's interesting to have a curve thrown at us once in awhile. :) But I don't see it as a big curve. It's a small one, I think.

[littlek]

I knew I couldn't trust anyone with the name of "Slyfoxx." Time to mount up and go on a fox hunt......a Slyfoxx hunt. Tallyho! :D

Yubetcha, you are right, we need to get back to the murder......and now I am a hunted feloness and a traitor. :(

But heck, the Templar steal my horses and that's reason enough for me to strike back! :mad:

I am just rambling now but maybe the map could be why the templar was murdered in the first place......hmmmmmm.

[yubetcha]

Yeah, we've gotten too far away from the murder, I think, so I tried to bring it back, and I remembered Slyfoxx typing that he was going to pin the murder on someone. I wouldn't have used you, but it seems that you and I are the only ones playing :( and I was afraid that if I used someone else who wasn't even posting, we would get away from it again, and it would just fizzle. But we'll find some way to clear you. Bet on it. You and I are in control here, so we'll come up with something. I see that even Speedy is too busy. That's the way it goes, I guess.

[littlek]

Well I am off - maybe I'll run into Slyfoxx and get my revenge for his deceipt and shooting one of my horses. Care to join me?

I was reading through some of the past posts on this LAG, where is everyone? There were a lot of taffers contributing before.

[yubetcha]

Littlek, you don't know about his turning you in yet. Perhaps you'll find out eventually, though. So far, you're just after him for shooting a horse... which is enough reason to go after him, IMO :).

[Speedy[143]]

Thank you, thank you, thank you for including me the past few weeks in your posts.. you have no idea how much I appreciate it:D I've had a rough month:(

You both made my day when I got caught up and found I was still involved heheheh... inspired to participate I actually took the time to post which took my mind off the not so fun things:rolleyes: Thanks again dear friends:)

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[littlek]

Can't do this without you Speedy. I ended my last post for some new taffer to join in.....HEY! HELP US OUT!

I was scanning through the last LAG and there were so many taffers that contributed to it - lots of twists from so many minds contributing.

I don't mind keeping this LAG going because I do enjoy it but it seems so untaffer-like for only the three of us to support this. So, do I dare ask if we want to keep this LAG going or if we plan to end this?

[SlyFoxx]

I just got caught up this morning. Good stuff. However we need to lose the part about me trying to implicate littlek. Last I posted (yeah I know it's been a while) I was going to try and frame a noble by the name of Vincent Dagosport. Having me at the Whale's Spout trying to drop a hint to the Templar regarding littlek seems a large contradiction.

[yubetcha]

Slyfoxx, I guess you changed your mind, and picked the person who was most convenient. Perhaps you wanted to get intimate with littlek and she didn't want to. It's been said that feelings of revenge can be strong :). (note to self: hmmmm, prolly should write something in to explain the change). Really, though, as I explained, I was afraid that if we picked anyone else, it would probably just fizzle, since she and I are the only ones playing. Feel free to jump into the story and change it logically :). Perhaps you had a change of heart and became remorseful. Then you can go back after Dagosport again.

[littlek]

And remember Slyfoxx....I am hunting you for shooting my horse.....Tally Ho!

[littlek]

Nice twist Yubetcha. I may meet you at the library.

Still gotta figure out who this man is that found me in the stables. Cannot decide if he is friend or foe. I had the idea that he could be Slyfoxx - feeling guilty.

So Sly, wanna join me to meet Speedy and Yubetcha at the library? I won't write you in unless you want me to. :D

[littlek]

What is so much fun with this LAG is that when I started writing my last entry, Lop Ear was not in my mind as the person standing in front of me. It just happened. So in my opinion, whoever healed the mare is not Lop Ear.....but maybe using rum to heal a wound would work. Anyhow, I still intend for the healer to be someone else but I have no idea who and so what. I see no need to develop another benign character.

Well I am either off to Cragscliff or someone can come to my rescue. I'd much rather be pilfering a warm and cozy library looking for clues about a treasure map. I just hope the treasure doesn't turn out to be a box of wooden cups.

[yubetcha]

We're glad that you could join us, Caradavin. Write to your heart's content. :)

[Speedy[143]]

And Slyfox is back too... Woo HooOOOOO!!!!!!!!

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[Caradavin1]

I have never done anything like this before, so I will take it slow at first. If anyone wants to include me in something, go right ahead - I'm pretty flexible. I only get on the net 4-5 times a week. I'll prolly hang back at first to get the gist of how this goes, too. Anyway, thanks for the welcome.

:D

[littlek]

Yubetcha, LOL on Hooters :D Even a taffer needs a Hooters around.

Can you edit in some details
1. My hands are tied behind my back - you have them in front.
2. I said the mare I am on is small - small to me is 15 hands since my horses are BIG.

I can edit mine if you had something in mind because those are just minor details and I almost didn't bother mentioning them.

Is Slyfoxx still up that tree? I thought of meeting up with Caradavin in the stables - she could be the healer if it is OK with her and join us on the treasure hunt.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
Yubetcha, LOL on Hooters :D Even a taffer needs a Hooters around.

Can you edit in some details
1. My hands are tied behind my back - you have them in front.
2. I said the mare I am on is small - small to me is 15 hands since my horses are BIG.

I can edit mine if you had something in mind because those are just minor details and I almost didn't bother mentioning them.

Is Slyfoxx still up that tree? I thought of meeting up with Caradavin in the stables - she could be the healer if it is OK with her and join us on the treasure hunt.

I can change mine no problem.
1. I just figured that your hands were in front, because it's hard for me to imagine anyone riding a galloping horse with their hands tied behind their back and staying on. At least with your hands in front, you could hold on to the horn.

I guess that Sly is still up the tree. I was wondering that myself. If he doesn't want to get eaten, he's still there LOL. I thought about writing that we saw him up ahead of us, but decided against it. I'm still not sure if we know exactly where the stables are, or if we need someone to follow. I have to check, but I'm sure that Speedy wrote that part of the address or directions were torn off. Which is good. It leaves the story open to more possibilities.
I thought of going to your stables and finding Caradavin myself to drag her kicking and screaming into the story. LOL! But if you want to find her, go ahead. You'll probably get to the stables before us anyway.

[littlek]

It IS hard to ride with your hands behind your back....I have had to do it when I took lessons from a masochist riding instructor.

I'll go 'pursuade' Caradavin to join us.....she seems a little hungry chewing on stale bread (littlek rummages in her pack for goodies, finds horse treats instead). Hope she is REAL hungry.

Now Sly has to hope that 'The Creature' cannot climb trees. (Sly shoots a rope arrow to the next tree and invisions himself as Tarzan).

[Caradavin1]

Horse treats??? Stale bread tastes better than that ;)

I'm fine with being a healer, its a bit ironic. Caradavin is a name I was given years ago by some D&D friends. I was a Cleric Mage with Healing Powers. It seems to come with the name. But I don't mind it at all. I am shy in person, actually, so dragging me out into the story is a good thing. Thank you. I don't know how fast I can keep up as I only have access to the net with public puters at school, and the campus shuts down from the 25th to the 5th of January, but I will do my best. If anyone wants to give me suggestions or the like, I'm open to them. Just think of me as a big newbie.

[littlek]

LOL Caradavin! Might want to rethink the stale bread vs horse treats. Horse treats are kinda like granola bars.

Well the intuition Gods were with me when I wrote you in as a shy healer. I hope you will join us on our treasure hunt - but we must first migrate to the library to figure out what that map Speedy is hoarding is trying to tell us.....:D

Don't worry about infrequent postings. We are just glad to have you contributing. I will be out of touch for 2 weeks after the 19th of Dec while enjoying Christmas Break as well. Hope to return to lots of LAG posts.;)

[Speedy[143]]

I'm no longer being notified via email that threads I've participated in have new posts:eek: :confused: :mad:

I noticed some time ago that there's no birthday announcements either... that's a bummer too... sooooooooo is it just me or have others found that they too are not being notified?????????

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[yubetcha]

I haven't tried the notification thing yet in quite a few weeks. I'll have to try again, and let you know. Are you still having trouble?

When I first read the initial post from Zaccheus, it read as though he wanted to be an adversary, but I wasn't sure... maybe someone with something up his sleeve. So I wanted to keep that possibility open for him. A friend would be good, but a foe would be interesting too. I don't know why he would be a foe, though. Maybe for the treasure. But that's what it read like to me. He may have reasons unknown to us. I dunno. Anyway, whatever you want to do, Zac.

[littlek]

I too am ready to migrate to the library and leave 'ol Loppy to search in the gutters for me. What I want to know is what do Caradavin and Zaccheus want to do? Do we join forces or become adversaries?

[Caradavin1]

I think joining forces sounds like a good idea. I don't know who I'm whispering to, but I can't wait to find out :p

Anyway, yeah, I'll hike along on this treasure hunt - that is if you all trust me to. ;) I think I'll sit back for a post or two on the lag though to get a sense of how to contribute correctly.

[littlek]

I re-read the beginnings of the LAG and tried to put closure to the murder of the guard, except for the fact that the templar still thinks I did it and Loppy is still wanting the reward.

I had also forgotten that Slyfox was headed for the stables to find me after feeling guilty for setting me up. If my addition to the story line is not going to work, let me know.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek


I had also forgotten that Slyfox was headed for the stables to find me after feeling guilty for setting me up. If my addition to the story line is not going to work, let me know.

I personally don't see anything wrong with it. Feel free to change it, if you want, but maybe it will fit. Since Sly heard us discuss the map, maybe he'll want it for himself. Then again... maybe not :). Haven't heard from him in awhile. He's around here somewhere. I could've sworn that I saw him scamper through here.

[Caradavin1]

:p

[littlek]

Speedy - Glad to see you could make another post. Things have been slow lately.

Yubetcha - What is in the wagon? My first thought was one of those giant eggs.....oh man.....if it is......
:eek:

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek


Yubetcha - What is in the wagon? My first thought was one of those giant eggs.....oh man.....if it is......
:eek:


We're glad you're back, Speedy. Now stay here, okay? :D

littlek: heh heh heh heh :D

[Speedy[143]]

Wasn't sure how soon I'd be back in here or online... my puter wouldn't boot after new years hubby thought I may have got a virus so he took my hd and hooked it up to his puter and ran a scan... no viruses.

The battery of diagnostic testsfound the problem was in my windows directory... corrupted sectors.. couldn't be fixed:(

So I got a belated christmas present when he ran to Best Buys and bought me a new hd while I thought about what I wanted to save heh.... I've never reformatted and my puter is almost 4 years old.. I was still using win98 and an old old version of icq.. not to mention a favorites list 100 feet long LOL actually it ended up that my email address book was the most difficult to find and retrieve but he did it. HE'S A GOD!!!!!!!!!

I finally went to bed about midnight and called down at 4am to make sure he was alright... he yelled back with "I've almost got TG completly installed:D NOW THAT'S true love hehehehehe....what a guy!!!! He spent over 13 hours the first day and countless hours since helping me get things back to normal around here.. well as close to normal as possible... We just finished tweeking my firewall so I could post again DOH!!! I'm using winxp pro now and icq2000a (damn popups on icq) where's a crack when you need one:rolleyes: It's gonna take some getting use to... oh well.. out with the old and in with the new:D right guys?!?!??!!

I'm glad to be back:cool: I hope everyone's New Year was special.

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[littlek]

Can you clone your husband???? Glad you are back. :)

[littlek]

Fluffy???? :D :confused: :eek:

[Caradavin1]

LOL!

:D

[littlek]

Nice input Caradavin. Hope your leg feels better Yubetcha but it should be of no surprise that I kick like a horse....if you look carefully, your bruise it may even resemble a horse shoe.

Speedy, I hope you have patience dealing with all this.

Caradavin - who do you want to be talking to? When we got in the library, I had you talking normally and only started talking to yourself again when troubled.

Have a question. How far does everyone want to go with this LAG? I get the feeling that only us four actually read it and that is OK with me. I truly enjoy this. But I feel like we have been abandoned on an ice flow.....sorry for the analogy but its really cold here in Indiana today. Any input?

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek

Have a question. How far does everyone want to go with this LAG? I get the feeling that only us four actually read it and that is OK with me. I truly enjoy this. But I feel like we have been abandoned on an ice flow.....sorry for the analogy but its really cold here in Indiana today. Any input?

Sometimes I feel like we're the only ones on the whole planet. Have been feeling that for many weeks. And at least one person who said he would come back isn't. But I would hate to end it just after Caradavin started... especially after we said that we wanted people to join. So I see no problem with continuing for now. I'll go with the majority. If you guys want to quit or continue, I will too. I could go either way. But I confess, I think I would miss coming up with something or reading the posts of you three. :)

[Speedy[143]]

Yubetcha's song parody was AwEs0mE :cool:.... it seems littlek does some research (haunted libraries) as have I in the past prior to participating and that's not only enlightening but down right FUN.... Caradavin's taken the plunge late in the game and I applude that;) besides I believe my story telling abilities have improved:) Not my grammer or spelling but I'm working on it:D

TheBlackman started this LAG thread in June of 2002... it would be fun to keep it going for a whole year and certainly give us ample time to take the adventure to new heights and keep it interesting with a time in mind to wrap up all the lose ends.

My take on why there's only 4 of us posting now.....

Most peeps aren't being notified that there's been a new post (it happened to me but I got back on track and I'm getting an email when someone posts).

Thievery has caught the attention of several original contributors.

Life got in the way (happened to me for a while there) and the forum has slowed down overall a lot in the last 6 months.

Perhaps the biggest reason "Once there were many and now we are but a few...." have you LOOKED at the volume of this thread??!!!! It's become a mini series that would take a genius to read through, understand, and jump in without making some kind of mistake then be dragged off and tortured by the guards..... Picture if you will the double jump rope at recess.... remember trying to judge when to jump in and not get tangled in the ropes heheheheheh Of course we would be very understanding and gentle with any newcomer 'cuz this is all just for fun:p

So yeah.. I say keep it comin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[Caradavin1]

To answer your question, I don't know who I'm talking to. I didn't expect to be talking to myself when this started :) That's okay, though. I could be talking to otherworldly spirits or something like that. Or maybe I'm just a schizophrenic healer :rolleyes:

I wouldn't mind either way if the lag continued or another one began or whatever. Though I have just started. I'll stick around either way. Right now, my computer went kaplooey, so I'm back at the public puters till I resolve the situation. :(

[yubetcha]

Any new people wouldn't really need to read the whole thing, as I see it. Perhaps the last 5 or so posts... just enough to get the gist of what is currently happening. It's like in life... anyone you meet for the first time doesn't know what's happened in your past.
So okay, where's that library, and why is it hidden? Perhaps we should answer that logically... maybe some very rare and expensive books, or maybe a tragedy at some time long ago... or anything else someone wants to come up with. :)

[littlek]

I was thinking that there could be a hidden room in the library - kinda like the haunted library in.....

(littlek pauses, "was it in thief 2 that there was a haunted library?...i think there were metal beasties running around outside....or were there.....pretty sure it was T2.....")

thief 2 but just can't think of the name of the level right now. Anyhow, that was what I had in mind.

Good point Speedy. Let's Rock On and show these haunts and whatever beasts we find in there that we are invincible.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
I was thinking that there could be a hidden room in the library - kinda like the haunted library in.....



So the whole library isn't hidden? :confused: I thought it was. It was behind a door that was disguised as a wall in a basement and there was a hidden button that had to be pushed.

[littlek]

Originally posted by yubetcha
So the whole library isn't hidden? :confused:

Nope. When I wrote that part, I had thought that the Bodleian room had been sealed because it was so full of nasties. But our key to figuring out the map is in that room......guarded by all sorts of evil things. We just need to find the secret entrance to the room or figure out how to unseal it. Does that make sense?

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
Nope. When I wrote that part, I had thought that the Bodleian room had been sealed because it was so full of nasties. But our key to figuring out the map is in that room......guarded by all sorts of evil things. We just need to find the secret entrance to the room or figure out how to unseal it. Does that make sense?

No, not really. If the whole library wasn't hidden, why did we need to push a hidden button that opened a door that looked like a wall? The door led to a passageway that led to the library. It wasn't an obvious door, but a hidden one. It wasn't an obvious button, either (i.e. sticking out like a sore thumb and easy to find). Perhaps the library isn't hidden, but the passageway itself is. But then why would that be?
I guess that all I can say is to keep writing. Perhaps it'll become clear.

[littlek]

Originally posted by yubetcha
Perhaps the library isn't hidden, but the passageway itself is. But then why would that be?

How about this. The library is a building, accessable by all but the Bodleian room has been sealed and we found a secret passageway to get to it. Not so secret to Zaccheus though.

[yubetcha]

This is getting interesting. It's good, littlek, but I have a question that may be a slight problem. If you were drinking wine for hours, where were we and what were we doing all of that time? If it's hours later, surely we would've finished exploring upstairs or down, been back (in twenty minutes, remember) and gone somewhere else hours ago. But we haven't gotten to that yet. And besides that, if it's hours later, we would've come back for you before those hours passed. I was planning to, anyway. Okay, I'll say it. Actually, I was planning to come to you from above, and shoot a gas arrow at the rat, freeing you. But that's no problem. I can do something else. But what about my original questions? Any ideas? I have an idea, good or not. How about if you change it to minutes later, and the rat drugged your wine, hoping to find the map (although I don't know why a rat would need a map).

[littlek]

There you go with your detail oriented mind again. Engineers! But, good point. I'll make the changes. Is an hour too long? Heck I get drunk off 1 beer so for me, I'd be passing out after drinking wine for an hour.

I had the idea that the rat sent the haunt out to find you guys, the map and Zaccheus. Don't have too much fun without me while I sober up.

Also, should we make the rat friend or foe? It might be fun having the rat as an interpretor for the map but I could easily see it betraying us for the treasure. It does like games, expensive food and wine.

Now you started all this....your Alice tidbit made me think of 'Alice in Wonderland." :D

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
There you go with your detail oriented mind again. Engineers!




Someone has to keep you guys honest :D. And BTW, I'm not an engineer. Designer. Mechanical designer. But you're right, I am analytical and logical. Engineers have to go to school a few years longer. It's like the difference between an LPN and an RN, or a nurse and a doctor. More than you probably wanted to know. But I wouldn't want to be an engineer. Not here. Too much of working overtime without pay, too much pressure and stress etc etc etc. When I work overtime, it's with pay, and I can make almost as much as an engineer at this company.

But, good point. I'll make the changes. Is an hour too long? Heck I get drunk off 1 beer so for me, I'd be passing out after drinking wine for an hour.

Just a little too long. We need to be back at the stairs in twenty minutes. But you wouldn't have to be drunk. If the wine was drugged, it could be just a few minutes. But I'm open to ideas :).



I had the idea that the rat sent the haunt out to find you guys, the map and Zaccheus. Don't have too much fun without me while I sober up.

Also, should we make the rat friend or foe? It might be fun having the rat as an interpretor for the map but I could easily see it betraying us for the treasure. It does like games, expensive food and wine.

I agree about the betrayal... but I'm not sure why a rat would want treasure. Perhaps it'll materialize as we go along.

Now you started all this....your Alice tidbit made me think of 'Alice in Wonderland." :D
:confused: I wonder why it did that. Wonderland was the furthest thing from my mind. But now that you mention it, we could make this an alternate Universe, and the Mad Hatter could pop up :D. Please no :). I could change the name to someone else.

[yubetcha]

Okay, I see that you changed it to an hour. So I'll need to change my 20 minutes to an hour, which may be really too long, but so what.

[littlek]

Originally posted by yubetcha
we could make this an alternate Universe, and the Mad Hatter could pop up :D. Please no :). I could change the name to someone else.

.........Or someone’s gas arrow is leaking and we are all hallucinating! :D

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
.........Or someone’s gas arrow is leaking and we are all hallucinating! :D

Hmmm... sounds like we're back in the '60s
:D

Okay, Speedy and Caradavin. Where are you? :)

[littlek]

Speedy....I see your name on the browser list......you can't hide.....time to post something......

[Speedy[143]]

The fan on my vid card is going out:( what a horrid noise it's making!!!!!!!!!

Opened the case and vacuumed everything... used air in a can to blow the fan clean, helped a little for a while. The sound actually hurts my ears heh I can only stand it long enough to read my email and type/print the most crucial of work related documents otherwise the puter is OFF.... I'm getting an early start on my Spring cleaning but I'd much rather be playing Thief FMs:p

I'm not sure if we'll be able to get a new card this weekend or not... I know what I'm getting for Valentines Day LOL:D

TFN :confused:

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[Speedy[143]]

We posted at the same time hehehehheh

I wrote a tad to try and keep up with the storyline on my hubbys puter.... emailed it to myself.... turned my puter back on then cut and pasted it to the story so not to be left to far out in left field until I can get a new vidcard.

Thanks for being patient with me:)

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[Caradavin1]

This is my first semester of Grad School, and I'm playing Vivian Bearing in Wit so my time has been extremely limited :( unfortunately. I haven't even touched my Lord Maguire FM. (*sniff**sniff*) But I'm here.

[littlek]

Yubetcha - I haven't forgotten about the LAG..... just been too busy this week, and I'll admit that I have been busy with Calendra's Cistern. But I think I can finish what I have already written this weekend and post it Sunday. Just have to decide what potion I drank. Glad you had a great time in Little Rock! :D

Caradavin - Ahhh grad school. What fun times. Glad I am out!

[Caradavin1]

...:rolleyes:

[Caradavin1]

No one's posting...:(

[littlek]

Just have not had the time to think anything up but I do need to engage in some LAG therapy - been really busy and stressed at work lately.

I am not sure what to do with you and Speedy. Can you get yourselves out from behind the wall and bookcase? I guess I could put Yubetcha in another precarious situation since he is not posting either. I think that rat would enjoy Yubetcha's sense of humor. Hmmmmm........ :D

[Speedy[143]]

I'm not being notified again when someone posts:confused:

I spent a great deal of time last weekend writing up a lengthy contribution and then lost it just before I posted.... I'm not sure what happened but I was upset enough to shut off my puter before I went ballistic... I know I hit save changes in word when the phone rang... went to fix dinner.... came back to copy and paste but it was gone grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr:mad:

I'll get out of there littlek.... I just have to find some time to type it all up again.... I've been sooooooooooooo busy!!!!!!

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[Caradavin1]

I was thinking that when I fell down the hole, I could land smack dab on the others...:D

[littlek]

Sorry to keep you falling all this time Caradavin. Trying to find some time to write but work has me covered up.

I was thinking.......you could either fall on us or you could fall on that haunt I smeared chocolate on.....:D That could be interesting. Better yet, you could land on the rat and go for a wild ride. Oh geesh...I need a vacation. :eek:

[Caradavin1]

Sounds kinky.

I've fallen and I've gotten up. My arse smarts. I understand being swamped with life, I was fortunate to have a break which has ended. :D

[littlek]

Awesome addition Speedy.

I will be in and out due to vacation starting today but I'll try to get something written. Depends on the weather - if its nice, I'll be outside. If not, I'll write.

[littlek]

I'm baaaack. The weather was great here in Indiana but spring break is over and so I have to get back into the work mode. Hopefully what I wrote will inspire someone to write and the LAG will live on. :D

[Caradavin1]

Well, I had a cool addition, and I spent 10 minutes writing it, pushed submit and it asked for my password. I gave it, and it said no thread specified contact webmaster. I pushed back a couple of times to return to my post, and it was gone. So, maybe I'll write it tomorrow. I'm too frustrated right now.

[yubetcha]

Work and life is slowing down slightly for me, so hopefully I will be back.

[Speedy[143]]

I'm still not being notified when someone posts:confused: I've tried unchecking the box then signing out and leaving, coming back and rechecking the box.. it worked once a long time ago but not since I tried fixing it again recently... frustrating:( *sigh*

I'll just check in daily (if I can) and keep up:D

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[littlek]

Ooooh Yubetcha....spooky! That is a great addition to tie things together. Did you have anyone in mind as to the source of the scream? I think that I recall the LAG rule that we cannot write out a character. But Zaccheus has abandoned us and has not been writing anything. Should we just allow him to disappear?

The only other lose end that I can think of other than finding the map is the giant egg that was headed to my stable. Maybe we'll find that beast sitting on it. :D

[yubetcha]

Yeah, we're not supposed to write out a character, but what you said about Zac is true. He probably wouldn't care if he was disposed of. But with my luck, at some point in the future, he'll start writing again :D. I also thought that it could be a guard who happened by, or some other victim. Then I thought that we could just leave it open for now, and see what happens. Or one of you could write in a conclusion. As you can see, I don't care much one way or another :). I just thought I would write it in and see what develops, if anything.
Yeah, I thought about that egg, but I think it might have to wait until we get back to your stable... something in the wings, waiting for us when we get back, since we aren't at the stable right now. Something we aren't aware of until we get there.

[The Shroud]

Anyone mind if I join in? I've read over the rules regarding roleplay in the thread, and while I haven't finished reading the storyline up to the present date, I think I might be able to blend in well enough. Is there anything I might have missed which I should know about before posting?

[Speedy[143]]

Originally posted by The Shroud
Anyone mind if I join in?

Please do:) We'd be happy to have you join the story.... just reading through the whole thing will be a challenge heheheheh

My only suggestion is have fun:D

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[yubetcha]

You wouldn't have to read the whole thing, Shroud. In real life, people come and go without knowing another person's whole history. But I would read maybe a couple of pages at minimum, just so you will write something that fits in with the storyline. But jump in anytime. Glad to have you. I can't think of anything that you need to know. But I'll probably think of it after I post this :).

[littlek]

ARGH - Yubetcha we submitted nearly at the same time. I am trying to think of a way to edit mine so that our stories jive. Any ideas?

Welcome Shroud! Jump in anytime, anyway. That is what is fun about the LAG.

[yubetcha]

You could edit so that I catch up with you. Or you could replace my name with someone else's. I can't think of anything else at the moment. Whichever is easier for you. :)

[Caradavin1]

I, ah, wanna submit, but I don't know who either of these guys are - does that matter or is this a make it up as we go along deal? Anyway, whichever works but if there is something I'll need to know just tell me. Fun! :)

[theBlackman]

Caradavin
"These guys" covers a lot of territory. The "characters" in this lengthy story are members of the Thief community from the "Original" EIDOS forums.

There have been a few "new" people like yourself who have joined the "game".

On the first page or two of this comment thread is a breakdown of the "rules" of engagement.

You could just scan the story from the beginning, (not read every post although it would help) and read samples to get an idea.

The Taffers Album has pics of some of the authors.

So "who" they are is immaterial. What and where and who in the story at present IS important.

So read a bit and jump in at some point you feel appropriate.

You could accidentally come across them in one of the sewers, or alleys or just by being near their current location.

Good luck.

EDIT
This is NOT a fanfic page. This is a multiauthor story.
Add to the existing story. Complete adventures written as complete adventures are not what this thread is for.

This is our "CHAOS CO-ORDINATED" department. Come on in the insanity is fine.

SLY

You MAY NOT KILL HIM. He is a character "Made by another Author" Read the first 5 or 6 posts in this thread about the "Rules of Engagement."

Only AI that are NOT critical to the story, such as the guard, and other incidental AI.

Main characters can only be "killed" with the permission of, or by the originator.
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The rules are simple. Any and all members of the forum may post a continuation of the story.

You need not takeup the action started by another poster.

You may start a coincidental activity that may or may not directly merge with the main action, or a parallel action or story.

It is desired that the characters be mentioned as they interact with your storyline. But is not essential.

You may play yourself (forum name), as most of us do, or an alter ego. If the character you are writing about is an alter ego, be certain to so state so that YOU don't get mentioned in anothers post, and dragged into the play as yourself.

You may not kill the the author. It is also not a good idea to kill introduced "AI" unless they (like the guard that is lying in the alley) are merely decoration, or if you check with the author although forcing a sudden burst of imagination on the writer(s) can be fun.

You may take over another character briefly, provided both of you are in the same scenario. Or as bravus has done, continue the action started by the intial storyline, and character.

Do keep in mind that it sometimes is wise to consult with your co-conspirator, or the character you are about to steal, here, in the comment thread. They may have a plot in development. Allow freedom of plot, and action to remain with the author(s).

It is also a good idea to leave the portion you write a bit open. This is not a cast in stone principle, but if you end a seqment with options open for subsequent action, it's more fun and easier for the next contributor.

There are occassions when the above will not matter. But when in doubt. Check.

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The parallel comments thread is a great idea and a necessity, and something I thought of suggesting independently when I saw how it would go!
Can I just add a further caution - this should probably be kept for comments on the *process* and possibly meta-story plotting stuff, but not for comments/critique on people's contributions to the story (however tempted we might be!) Yep, people will write things differently from how I would write them, and maybe even take the story in directions I hadn't imagined (and in the process toast a really cool direction I *had* imagined!) But the whole *point* of a shared story, IMNSHO, is the skill of improv: take what you're given and head off full speed ahead from there!

Having said all that, it makes sense if we can restrain ourselves to staying 'in world': while I love dada and surrealism, the arrival of aliens with a yen for probing in Garrett's world would make it veyr hard for the rest of us to continue having fun with the story.

These are all definitely IMOs, from someone who arrived here right on the tail of the original LAG and didn't really participate (IIRC).

Later,

Bravus


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One more little thing. I should have put it in the "rules".
Try to keep "SIGS" and other tags out of the thread. As these have been known to grow to 200 or 300 entries, the less padding the better.

Remember. You, as the author, will know things that the Character you write in may not know.

As an example, GumDrop the Author, knows I am in the Burrick, and that I dumped the unconcious guard in the intersection.

Gumdrop the character does not. So until the character meets me, or another party, or is told the tale by someone, much of the action will not have an effect on them, nor will they be able to use the knowledge.

I know there is a Templar in town and that the body has been discovered. Now dead. The guy drinking in the Burrick does not know this.

Addenda I have a copy of the "cast of characters" from the original LAG, this includes AI and streets and locations.

It is not needed to author a line or a chapter, but may clear some confusion for those who weren't here for the first two (Konfessions and Like A Glove) when "we" use names of places and people that are not in the THIEF game series.

If you would like one, Email me and I will send you a ZIP of the original thread, and a Cast of Characters Doc.




Open notepad. write whatever you want, then copy paste into the thread. That way you won't post a paragraph or two and lose the sequence because someone else jumps in between.

Also you can have the forum up in a reduced window with the notepad also reduced and switch back and forth. Then when you have your note finished just post and close Notepad.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by Caradavin1
I, ah, wanna submit, but I don't know who either of these guys are :)

I might submit if it won't hurt.
:D
Anyway, I have edited mine. So don't bother littlek

[littlek]

It'll hurt. :D

I edited mine too so hopefully our stories will match a little better.

[The Shroud]

Thanks for the warm welcome. It'd be a bit awkward for me to jump right into what's going on at this point, even if I have an identifiable excuse for doing so, so I think I'll begin with a parallel scene someplace else, and see whether mother Chance can direct me toward the action from there. It'll probably look like one of those aforementioned complete-adventures, but it's intended only as a starting point, to lay a foundation before proceeding to merge somehow with the existing plot. Guess we'll see what happens, eh?

[Caradavin1]

Yeah, I just kept with the current plot, and kept it very open - basically b.s.ing my way through my contribution. But I don't think it could hurt too much. But since I don't really know who I'm talking to or who or what Bodlein is I thought I would just stick with what I do know. I like this, it's nice to keep up on writing once in a while so as not to get rusty. :D :D

[littlek]

Caradavin – did you need to know some info as to the plot and characters? Well there really isn’t any but remember when you first joined up with us, your character would mutter to some unseen friend all the time. Well, I just thought you were schizophrenic, kinda like Gollum in LOTR but now it seems you had a friend after all! Develop it as you wish.

As for Bodleian, it was just the name of the room in the library that housed the book we are looking for. I only invented the spirit of Bodleian and him revealing your friend because it popped into my head during one of my many sleepless nights this week. I kinda thought he would be like Brother Murus sending Garrett on many errands in “Return to the Cathedral” in Thief Gold/T1. That is all the further this thought process went.

Now for the real challenge for me today – trying to teach the Calvin Cycle of photosynthesis when I have laryngitis. Calls for some creative teaching techniques.
:D

[Caradavin1]

I didn't need to know plot in regards to these two characters if there was none, I was just trying to see if there was any plot about them I needed to know before I did post. Since there is none, cool.

:)

[theBlackman]

General cheers and some useless information:

This story now has 133 full pages of text.

I printed it out last night in an attempt to get an overall picture of whats up.

I think I will do a cast of characters, locations, and streets as I did for Konfessions. (you new folk will miss the reference. Sadly it faded with the old forum) And if chance allows, will rejoin the action and possibly do a Synopsis.

You who are still posting are doing a great job. I am enjoying it very much.

[yubetcha]

I'm glad that you are enjoying it tBM, and I think the locations etc will be helpful.

Caradavin, you posted, "Okay, now here's the details...". If you already had some details planned, let me know and I will change or delete my post. I didn't know if you had plans or not. I can delete, no problem if you do.

[Caradavin1]

No, no, I don't know the details. I was pawning it off to someone else to take over.

Funny about the painting :eek:

[The Shroud]

Well, as you can see, I haven't been doing much writing. Instead, I have been reading. Heh. Reading through the pages and pages of adventures you lot have been through! And I've also been thinking, both about possible turns for the storyline that would allow my character to get involved (of which, I have developed many ideas), and about the LAG thread in general. First, let me say that I have really been enjoying reading through the exploits of ol' Yubetcha, Speedy, and Littlek -- beginning from their explorations beneath the old church and continuing on up through their search within the library to recover the treasure map (and the book that will decipher it) from Lord Claudius of the Picts. And I have to hand it to their authors for their creativity and sense of improvisation.

I also wanted to mention a couple of concerns I've developed while reading through LAG. The rules which have been established regarding the terms of engagement between characters (i.e. prohibition of killing other characters or crucial npc's without authors' consent, occasional consultation between authors on the course of the plot, separation of in-character knowledge from out-of-character knowledge, etc.) are very important, but I don't feel they are enough. Now, I know I have only just arrived here, while the rest of you have been playing for a long time without encountering any significant problems, and no doubt will continue to do so just fine without any further constrictions. It's quite possible that no one else here will share these following concerns, but I want to offer them for consideration.

First of all, a principle which may have been overlooked is the necessity for limiting single authors' control of the Thief series' existing main characters, settings, and backstory. For instance, there was a post by Yubetcha a long while ago which gave an elaborate account of the late Sherriff Truart's beginnings as once being a thief, along with Garrett and Cutty in the same orphanage. The story included a long relationship between Truart and Garrett and their eventual coming to odds, an explanation for the origins of a tenuous arrangement between Truart and Father Karras, and Truart being somehow appointed Sherriff by Karras himself. Now, aside from whatever conflicts this addition may cause with the actual Thief creators' visions, it quite possibly conflicts with many other participants' ideas of Sherriff Truart's beginnings, and the nature of the relationship between him and Garrett, if any, as well as that between him and Karras, or between Garrett and Cutty, or just a great many details about past events in general. The point is, everyone has a slightly different interpretation or idea of how various things in the Thief universe came to be, and therefore, to give the power to anyone to explicitly detail those fuzzy areas as fact precludes everyone else's ability to imagine those avenues as they would have chosen. Part of the immersive appeal of the Thief series is the great effort on the part of its creators to avoid shining too much light on any particular area or subject in the Thief universe. To do so would impede the player's ability to imagine their own answers to various mysteries and phenomena. The task of Thief's artists and writers is instead to lead the mind of the player in a particular direction, to direct their perception in certain ways, and then to refrain from further detail at the right moment, so that his or her imagination can take over and fill in the gaps. So basically, I feel that since we, as writers, have taken up the task to add to the story the creators started, we should also bear the responsibility to restrain ourselves from adding too much or illuminating too much of those areas which the creators left dark.

The second concern I have is in maintaining disassociation between the Thief world and our world. This may seem a given, but I have seen quite a few cases of our era intruding into that of Thief's setting in the pages of LAG. References to places like Alaska and the Netherlands, peoples like the Picts, our calendar of months and holidays like April and April Fools, things like beer trucks, paper bill cash, songs like "Stairway to Heaven" and "Twinkle, Twinkle", etc. I know how easy it is to slip and let our language and customs make their way into our writing (I'm probably guilty of it too, on occasion, try as I might to stave it off), but needless to say, it's important that we keep a watchful eye and catch ourselves when it happens.

Thoughts on this?

[theBlackman]

Good points all. It's a little like introducing an AK47 into the weaponry.

For my part, I agree that the "inventions" regarding existing characters should be limited to "some" expansion of the information contained in existing written material.

In the various scrolls and ledgers scattered throughout the series are hints at past activities of the THIEF WORLD characters. Limited expansion on these should not cause a problem, but a completely invented past should be avoided.

[yubetcha]

I agree, Shroud, that we shouldn't include too much about Truart, or anything else that already exists, and that's why I have to claim innocence. I am 99 1/2 percent sure that I didn't write that part, or some of the other parts you attribute to me :). Could you please point me to that post? Perhaps the search function.
Not only that, but who's to say that they didn't have such things as April Fools? Nowhere, to my knowledge, is it written that they didn't. I could be wrong, but I doubt that April Fools was a recent invention :). Or that it couldn't be a part of that culture. There is even a fan mission that has Halloween. And as far as songs go, I never said that they were songs. They were merely writings on a wall. I realize that they look like songs, but they popped into my head, and I included them because they seemed to go with that part of the story. But I never said that an "AK47" was found so to speak, and I think that they should be taken only at face value to the same extent as anything else that is written.
So when are ya gonna write? You too, tBM. You've been threatening to write for quite some time now. :D

[yubetcha]

BTW, tBM, there is at least one post in LAG in which you posted "A little boost. To be deleted later or as soon as I or another artiste adds". It has been there for quite some time. Has "later" come yet? :)

[yubetcha]

Shroud, I tried to find that Truart post and I couldn't find it. Dunno why. But I just glanced through the posts since I am at work. Anyway, it just doesn't sound like something that I would or did write. I very vaguely remember it, but I am almost positive that I didn't write it... especially since I consciously try not to add things like that :). I would rather leave it to others. :) But that's okay. No problem. Looking forward to your post in LAG. Speaking of LAG, when are we going to look up and see a jet? :D.

BTW, littlek, did a mist that can go through material things flip the switch that turned off the Watcher?

[The Shroud]

Originally posted by yubetcha
I agree, Shroud, that we shouldn't include too much about Truart, or anything else that already exists, and that's why I have to claim innocence. I am 99 1/2 percent sure that I didn't write that part, or some of the other parts you attribute to me :). Could you please point me to that post? Perhaps the search function.

Oops! I sincerely apologize, yub', it seems I have confused yubetcha with yubetcha! Err, that is to say, it was yubetcha the character who told the story about Truart, but apparently not yubetcha the author. And you betcha I'll go back and locate the post, so as to correct myself.

(edit, to add): I found the post. It was written by littlek on 10-14-02. Once again, I apologize for the mistake.

By the way, I in no way intended to attribute any other parts to you, specifically -- it was only that little tale which I'd recalled yubetcha telling; the other things I'd just picked up along the course of reading through LAG, without really thinking about who wrote them, only that they'd been written. That's all. I apologize for appearing to single you out.

Not only that, but who's to say that they didn't have such things as April Fools? Nowhere, to my knowledge, is it written that they didn't. I could be wrong, but I doubt that April Fools was a recent invention :). Or that it couldn't be a part of that culture. There is even a fan mission that has Halloween.

*shrug* I'm no more of an authority on Thief's culture than any other dedicated player, but it just seems to me that since Thief takes place not only in a whole other time, but a whole other earth as well, that the chances of their culture coming up with the exact same names and traditions as ours are next to nil. I mean, it's not technically impossible for them to have chosen the same names for their months, and the same holidays, etc, but the impression I get from the creators' dilligent avoidance of such details leads me to believe that they intended to steer away from our cultural elements as much as possible, to preserve immersiveness in their fabricated world. Beyond that, it's not even necessary to add little connections like April and Halloween to Thief's universe; to do so places confusion on the reader as to precisely where our worlds are separated, and where they are not. It also puts strain on the writer, as he/she has to then carefully consider this added mutuality, weigh over its likelihood, debate its possible implications, and analyze the decision until it's logically sound, before finally putting it in place. During this time, the person could be writing! (heh, and of course, during this time, I could be writing also -- I recognize the irony). Alternatively, it would be a lot easier to just drop the whole thing and stick with fabricated names, places, traditions, etc, instead of trying to blend two worlds together while still keeping them "separate enough" -- or, simply leave out the reference to such details altogether. And that is what the original creators did. That's why we don't know the names of their months, their holidays, their continents, and a lot of other things we're all curious about. Otherwise, I like to think of every instance of vagueness as an opportunity for creativity to take over -- as long as it doesn't reach too far, or define too much, of course. Heh.

As for when I'll get back to what I started, I've decided to postpone writing further in the single post I have put up (heh) until I've cleared a few things, plot-wise, with Speedy, you, and Littlek. Technically, the rules don't forbid my just picking up the story and running with it at my whim, but I have certain ethical reservations about doing that (though I'm sure my thief has nothing against "stealing the plot"). Heh heh.

[yubetcha]

I agree with almost all of what you said, Shroud. Many things that have been included didn't need to be, and I realize that people included them in an attempt to be funny. Besides, it is just us here. No one else. When I wrote about April Fool, I considered changing it to some other name. However, imagine the dilemma if I instead said something like, "Josten's Fool", or Draken Folly", Or Axionzis' Grotka Krokus. You get the idea. I was afraid that the reader would say, "Huh? What was that?! What's that supposed to mean?". I realized that it had a greater impact if I wrote it the way I did, because it was familiar, and I felt the need to include something to explain why Speedy kept us from opening the door. Normally she wouldn't do that. (At least, I don't think she would :) ). And I wanted her to keep the door shut and then laugh about it because I wanted to lighten up the situation a little.
And who knows why that one FM has Halloween in it.

[The Shroud]

Originally posted by yubetcha
When I wrote about April Fool, I considered changing it to some other name. However, imagine the dilemma if I instead said something like, "Josten's Fool", or Draken Folly", Or Axionzis' Grotka Krokus. You get the idea. I was afraid that the reader would say, "Huh? What was that?! What's that supposed to mean?". I realized that it had a greater impact if I wrote it the way I did, because it was familiar, and I felt the need to include something to explain why Speedy kept us from opening the door. Normally she wouldn't do that. (At least, I don't think she would :) ). And I wanted her to keep the door shut and then laugh about it because I wanted to lighten up the situation a little.

Heh, couldn't she have just played a prank? She seems to have sort of a prankster's way about her, judging from her childhood experiences with defacing paintings, heh heh.

By the way, yub', I really want to commend you, in particular, for your knack at writing intriguing information found in letters, notes, journals, and such. I've enjoyed those parts a lot, as they bring back one of the most intrinsic feelings of the Thief series. I was surprised to find my own expectations exceeded in that regard, even after having seen a lot of talented writing here. In fact, I might go so far as to say that some of those bits could pass for authentic Thief material! Keep it up.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by The Shroud
Heh, couldn't she have just played a prank? She seems to have sort of a prankster's way about her, judging from her childhood experiences with defacing paintings, heh heh.

But remember that mentioning childhood pranks and defacing paintings came late in the story, such as her very last post, out of all of the ones she did. And I wanted to show her doing that particular thing in that way, which was before her post. Besides, I'm not sure that it's that big of a deal. As I said before, it's just us here. I'm not even sure that more than a couple of people are reading this story. For all we know, you are the only one. I have posted new threads, asking people to join, but no one was interested. Also, I don't want to make a mountain out of a molehill, and I hope that's not what we're doing here. A molehill isn't much of an obstacle :).

By the way, yub', I really want to commend you, in particular, for your knack at writing intriguing information found in letters, notes, journals, and such. I've enjoyed those parts a lot, as they bring back one of the most intrinsic feelings of the Thief series. I was surprised to find my own expectations exceeded in that regard, even after having seen a lot of talented writing here. In fact, I might go so far as to say that some of those bits could pass for authentic Thief material! Keep it up.

I guess that the game rubbed off on me :) Thanks a lot. I appreciate that. I too enjoyed that in the Thief games. It's a good way to get a story or eye-opening information to take shape. I like to use that method... trying sometimes to get the lightbulb to turn on in your head. Notice I said trying :). And I'm sure that you'll do just as well, if you decide to go that route.

[yubetcha]

Hmmm, that's very strange. Someone else told me that a couple of weeks ago, so I went in and deleted some PMs. I just now checked, and there is only one PM in there. Just one. I'm confused. It shouldn't have to be completely empty, but I guess I'll delete the only one :rolleyes: :confused: Anyway, thanks for letting me know. BTW, I guess I was editing my post while you were reading. :)

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by The Shroud

-- Incidentally, in the past minute, I've seen you edit your post at least twice, heh. It's a bit like real-time chat.

And cheaper than AOL. And maybe even ICQ. LOL Yeah, it's hard for me to keep my finger off of the edit button LOL. I don't think that anyone has seen an unedited post from me. :)
Anyway, I'm going to bed. Can't think well...
Even this post is getting edited. :)

[yubetcha]

Now I'm curious. I'll wait for your PM. I don't have any PMs in my box, so any PMs should get through. And how did your reply to my PM post get before my PM post? Or am I missing something? Can't think...

[yubetcha]

Shroud, I sent a couple of PMs to you.

[littlek]

Originally posted by yubetcha
BTW, littlek, did a mist that can go through material things flip the switch that turned off the Watcher?

Yubetcha - I kinda thought the mist could have turned the watcher off but then we were in the hallway so who knows. We could make a mist do whatever we want.

Shroud - Interesting thoughts but I am not sure how to take it right now.....:confused:

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
Yubetcha - I kinda thought the mist could have turned the watcher off but then we were in the hallway so who knows. We could make a mist do whatever we want.



I just had to chuckle while picturing in my head a mist going through a wall and then trying to flip a switch, when his hand goes through it instead. Then he gets frustrated, angry, and uses foul language. LOL! A mist going through a solid and then pushing another solid. :D. Interesting. I saw it happen in the movies too. But yeah, you're right. you can make it do whatever you want. :)

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by yubetcha
Now I'm curious. I'll wait for your PM. I don't have any PMs in my box, so any PMs should get through. And how did your reply to my PM post get before my PM post? Or am I missing something? Can't think...

The problems may be that the ENTIRE PM FOLDER IS FULL.

Go to the MAIN EIDOS FORUM PAGE. At the very bottom you will see a listing for how many PM's you have.

You can only have a total of about thirty IN ALL YOUR PM FILES>

ALSO SET THE "how many days" BAR TO FROM THE BEGINNING. Do that for all categories you may have.

You may be surprised at the Count on the Main Menu for EIDOS :

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[The Shroud]

Littlek, just take it at face value, heh. I wasn't trying to point fingers. I was just trying to voice a couple concerns I had about overstepping certain boundaries in general. That's all.

[littlek]

No biggy Shroud - I just live my life trying to keep things simple. I'll TRY to behave.......but I'm not making any promises. ;)

[Caradavin1]

*shrug*

:p

[The Shroud]

Well, I guess that's all we can ask... Heh heh.

[littlek]

Caradavin!!!!!! Why didn't you make Mort a hunk????? :D Oh sorry, my hormone replacement therapy must be kicking in. :D

[The Shroud]

Well, I finally finished adding to that first post, heh. It's been edited a bit also, in case you want to read through it from the beginning again. Anyway...back to writing. Heh.

[Caradavin1]

Who says Hammerites can't be hunks? ;)

[littlek]

Hello fellow LAG writers....

I was trying to get in the mood and find some inspiration for adding to the LAG and so decided to do what Shroud did....read the LAG from beginning to end. It took a very long time to get through it all but it was so very entertaining and I was surprised at how well it flowed. I was in a library and had a difficult time laughing quietly. :D

Just thought you'd like to know. :p

[littlek]

From Shrouds last submission: "shutting off the flow of gas to the first lamp with a twist of its valve..."

Wouldn't that be a nice feature to Thief 3 so we could save some of those water arrows for when we truly need them.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
From Shrouds last submission: "shutting off the flow of gas to the first lamp with a twist of its valve..."

Wouldn't that be a nice feature to Thief 3 so we could save some of those water arrows for when we truly need them.

Yeah, that would be great. Imagine what would happen then when we turned on just the gas, waited a few seconds, and pulled out fire arrows. :D

[The Shroud]

I was thinking, didn't Caradavin say that the reason Bodlein wasn't able to fetch the portrait himself was because he was bound to that one room of the library? How then did he manage to get to where the others are now?

[littlek]

I thought he was bound to her....so how he got into that other room....hmmmmm........it's a miracle!

Yubetcha - that's a classic. :D and even a newer twist to the game.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
I thought he was bound to her....so how he got into that other room....hmmmmm........it's a miracle!

Yubetcha - that's a classic. :D and even a newer twist to the game.

LOL!

BTW, I thought it was Mort that was bound to her. Perhaps we need to cut down on some nonplaying characters. Maybe it's getting hard to keep it all straight :).

[littlek]

I agree Yubetcha. Now how to get rid of them.....I know! Let's send 'em over to wreak havoc on The Shroud! He's getting away with being too sneaky in that auditorium. :D

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
I agree Yubetcha. Now how to get rid of them.....I know! Let's send 'em over to wreak havoc on The Shroud! He's getting away with being too sneaky in that auditorium. :D

LOL! Sounds good to me. They can be an overprotective bunch of ghosts.

[Caradavin1]

Eh, who says everything Caradavin said to explain things was right? :p

I don't mind getting rid of them at all, it will just make me a more quiet character ;)

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by Caradavin1
Eh, who says everything Caradavin said to explain things was right? :p

I don't mind getting rid of them at all, it will just make me a more quiet character ;)

If we keep anyone, maybe we should keep Mort. It's interesting the way you two talk to each other. I almost liked it more when we didn't know about him yet.... when you looked like you were talking to yourself :). Besides, your relationship is somewhat unexplained.

[The Shroud]

Heh heh, Shroud's got enough problems to worry about without a bunch of ghosts in the way -- as you will soon see. Heh. Not to mention that the museum is quite a ways from the library. But maybe Krista and Bodlein can simply stay behind from here on out? Or maybe Bodlein isn't bound to that room, per se, but he's drawn to it, and can't stay away for very long -- so he must return? And perhaps Krista can keep watch over Sir Claudius and use some sort of ghostly powers to try and keep his spirit from passing over into death? Just a thought.

[yubetcha]

littlek, I think that your last post has a couple of problems. Could you check into it and see what you think?
1) You have Speedy asking who has the map and the book, but I thought that I already answered that in one of my last two or three posts.
2)you didn't explain how Speedy came back. In her last post she said that she took the key and unlocked the door which was referring to the door to the trap door room. I then explained in a post that she left us. Now she magically is just there with us. Read and see if you see what I see.
If you agree, then you may want to read before you post :D

[littlek]

You are right - I deserve to be downwind to a burrick. Actually, I was writing the LAG while supervising in the library last night and was distracted several times by loud students. I was wishing I had 50 gas arrows that I could have launched for some quiet. This is the last week of classes and the nobles are restless. I'll delete what I wrote and edit later. :o :eek:

It's edited! I just hope I got it right this time. :D

[The Shroud]

Heh, you lot have been in that library forever! I wonder just how long the evening of March 31st (or whatever they name that month in Thief's world) can be? Heh. Let's hope the group can get out of there before sunrise (which, at this rate, may come sometime around June 31st, heh heh...), eh? Cheers.

[The Shroud]

Originally posted by yubetcha:
It may help to remember that perhaps 95 percent of these posts span a few minutes. There are only a few that would last longer than that. So if you add all of the posts together, it should be no more than a few hours. Just guessing offhand, if the story started at say 9:00 PM, I would guess that it is no later than 1:00 or 2:00 at the latest, possibly even earlier.

Heh, well first of all, let me state that my above comment was meant purely in a jovial manner, expressing my own interest in seeing the party finally complete their adventure -- not to criticize any failings of reasoning or to imply that the evening in question really has drawn out too long to be believable. In that regard, I'm in full agreement with your points. Secondly...

BTW, Shroud, are you saying in your last post that your character dropped 30 feet? Surely not. Without incurring so much as a limp? Am I misreading? Reminds me of the movie The Art of War. That was also impossible. When the guy dropped two stories for the 4th time without so much as pain, I began to root for the pavement!

Well, I haven't seen the movie you mentioned, but in respect to falling distances, I must boast of some personal experience in such feats; it is a fact that a person (in my case, somebody who is not even a professional acrobat by any means) is capable of dropping a distance of twenty feet and landing properly without a roll, without incurring any injury. This is accomplished by quickly extending one's legs to touch the ground just before the actual impact would take place, and then lowering one's self with resistance from the knees -- instead of simply letting gravity do the work all at once -- until momentum has decreased enough to relax the muscles and settle in a crouch. I reasoned that if an amateur such as myself can accomplish this from twenty feet, surely a trained expert can achieve it from thirty. This is not purely a guess on my part, as I seem to recall reading, or otherwise hearing about such feats having been performed, but unfortunately, I cannot remember the circumstances under which I aquired such impressions.

Also, do you remember your first post in this thread, in which you said in part, "The second concern I have is in maintaining disassociation between the Thief world and our world. This may seem a given, but I have seen quite a few cases of our era intruding into that of Thief's setting in the pages of LAG ... needless to say, it's important that we keep a watchful eye and catch ourselves when it happens." tBM mentioned that it would be like introducing AK47s. Shroud, did I read about lasers protecting the skull? I am sure that there are no lasers in Thief, even though they exist in ours. If they aren't lasers, then what are they? Are you sure they should be in this story? To hell with the AK47. In a future post, I take out all of the haunts with a tactical nuclear bomb. :D :D

Heh, well I've never been in support of things like AK47's and nuclear bombs being introduced into Thief's era (and that has more to do with cultural turns of a society and series' of technological breakthroughs in warfare than just whatever levels of "tech" exist at any given period in a civilization), but on the matter of lasers and such things, I will argue a couple of points. Firstly, Garrett has a cybernetic eye (it is not simply mechanical, for obvious reasons, even though it has always been termed that way). Secondly, the iron beasts and watcher cameras are programmed with artificial intelligence (they, likewise, are much more than mechanical, for equally obvious reasons). The statue "guardians" of the Mystic's Heart in the Bonehoard mission, and similar elements in other parts of the game project some sort of invisible line which acts as a sensor, and sends an instantaneous signal when passed. A laser is a plausible explanation. I could go on to name many other examples of the advancement of Mechanist and Precursor technology, but it's academic.

It has been argued that Mechanist contraptions and other sorts of seemingly technological phenomena in Thief do not act by any sort of science we understand today, but in truth, by other forces -- some sort of bizarre magic tied up in primitive technologies, Divine Influence from the Builder, or something even more incomprehensible to our minds. In my perspective, magic and technology should never be wed, as the two will inevitably arouse contradictions between their fundamental paradigms and processes -- but that is, of course, simply my view of things. Regardless of one's standpoint on the issue, however, invisible "rays of light" can be defined in either mentality: in one perspective, they could be lasers; in another, they could be some kind of divination magic. *shrug* The point is, there is nothing about these particular elements which necessarily conflicts with the standards we see in the Thief series. After all, even Thief II's introduction of Mechanist tech seemed out of place to many players (myself included), at first.

[littlek]

Originally posted by The Shroud
Heh, you lot have been in that library forever! I wonder just how long the evening of March 31st (or whatever they name that month in Thief's world) can be? Heh. Let's hope the group can get out of there before sunrise (which, at this rate, may come sometime around June 31st, heh heh...), eh? Cheers.

Ha! It's always night time in the world of Thief! Anyhow, we have Mort with us....he's slow. Sure we can't send him over to you? :D Caradavin is getting cranky.

[Caradavin1]

J/k, yubetcha.

Shroud seems to have many good points to back up his choices. Shroud, you're like that guy in class that everyone rolls their eyes at because he always raises his hand for every question in class and always knows the answers. I'm right aren't I, you're highly intelligent and you know it. Don't you? Confess Confess! :p

I don't think its important, really, what choices we make as long as the story is coherent. On another note, Mort is becoming the husband I never wish I had, lol.

[The Shroud]

Originally posted by yubetcha:
Are you saying that you can drop 20 feet without so much as a hint of pain? Or a limp?

*nod* That's right.

You yourself termed it "primitive technologies". However, lasers are not primitive.

Well, with "primitive technologies", I was referring to the Mechanists' mechanical contraptions (as you will see if you go back and review the context of the sentence) which seemed to house vastly superior levels of tech (like AI for the Builders' Children). At any rate, lasers aren't all that complex -- I know because I built one several years ago for a science project. A laser works by focusing a beam of normal light through a ruby rod, which is energized by a surrounding helical light tube (a kind of light bulb), and projects an intensified ray between two opposing mirrors -- one with a tiny hole in it. The light bounces back and forth between these mirrors, allowing only a wire-thin projection to exit through the small hole, which is the laser one sees (although, only class 3 and 4 lasers can actually be viewed with the naked eye -- and these will burn an object). The laser I built was a class 2 (which is the most common), so only a red dot was visible where the beam hit a surface. That's about as simple as I can get in the explanation without getting a lot more technical.

I agree with you about magic. But who is to say what those sensors are in Thief? Perhaps they are magic. Or perhaps they are as simple as a floor switch that we don't see, which are very common in Thief.

Well, they're definitely not floor switches. I discovered this (much to my dismay) while attempting to run and jump over the area in front of one of the guardians, and was blasted to cinders in mid-air. Heh.

The game sometimes doesn't show us, so I am not going to assume lasers, of all things. It seems to me that lasers deserve the same place as AK47s. Lasers are higher tech than AK47s, so if a culture includes lasers, they would naturally include something similar to AK47s, as well.

Besides both being technological, lasers and AK47's have nothing to do with each other. It all depends on which discoveries arrive first, and lead to subsequent inventions. Lasers aren't "higher tech" than automatic rifles. They're in a completely different category of research. Remember that mad scientist/astronomer in Thief II's Life of the Party who invented the sunburst device? Thief's culture obviously discovered explosive substances early on. However, people still use swords, bows, and primitive cannons because guns haven't specifically been invented yet. There is more involved in determining what sorts of creations a particular society will and won't have than just some sort of presumed technological "level" of advancement.

My theory for how the Mechanist order brought about such a drastic revolution in technology is that they unearthed vastly superior tech from the Lost City -- remnants of the Precursors' mysteriously advanced civilization. Karras, being a genius surpassing the greatest minds of the present era, actually managed to interpret some of that lost tech through Divine Insight and incorporate it into compartiviely primitive constructions (the iron beasts which "think", for example). Why else would Thief's society have leapt so suddenly forward in such an unprecedented capacity within the space of just a single year? Anyhow, that's the only way I could make sense of the situation.

[The Shroud]

Originally posted by Caradavin1:
Shroud seems to have many good points to back up his choices. Shroud, you're like that guy in class that everyone rolls their eyes at because he always raises his hand for every question in class and always knows the answers. I'm right aren't I, you're highly intelligent and you know it. Don't you? Confess Confess! :p

*chuckles* Actually, I always kept to myself in school, but that's me answering an obviously rhetorical question again. Heh. Anyhow, I do thank you for the compliment.

I don't think its important, really, what choices we make as long as the story is coherent. On another note, Mort is becoming the husband I never wish I had, lol.

Heh, I'm glad yubetcha is taking me to task, and I knew somebody would before I even began writing that post. I think it's appropriate that a writer have to back up his or her story once in a while; it keeps us vigilant.

Incidentally, I drew a detailed map for each floor of the museum prior to beginning the writing. If only I had a scanner...

[yubetcha]

and I know, Shroud, that I will never convince you, and you will never convince me. And since continuity is more important, perhaps we should concentrate on that. And if continuity suffers, expect me to question it, just as I would want done on mine.

[The Shroud]

I'm not saying the Thief games have lasers, necessarily -- I'm saying lasers would be one explanation for how things work in some areas, and that's how I always visualized the Guardians working. If you have other impressions of how they function, that's fine. By the way, the Ancient Greeks or Egyptians could easily have invented the laser; as a matter of fact, all it would have taken would be rubies, mirrors, a lens, and a light source -- even one such as fire.

Comparing lasers and AK47s, you said, "if you can have one, you can have the other." But that isn't necessarily so, as I discussed before. All inventions do not happen at once, nor do they arise under the same circumstances of discovery. Thief's setting obtained electricity before our civilization did in a comparative historical timeline. Now, for some reason, they've got intelligent robots and cybernetic capability, but they don't have vacuum cleaners and television. They have scouting orbs and mind-control masks, but not airplanes and public radio. They have rust gas and sunburst devices but no working toilets or microwave ovens, etc, etc. You get the idea. I don't think lasers are that much of a stretch. In my impression of Mechanists' technological avenues and style, they fit right in there with electronic eyes and aetheric vibration systems. I don't think AK47s fit into the path the Mechanists have taken with their developments.

You've stated that there's no way you'll be convinced of lasers existing in Thief, and that's fine. Each player has their own theory on the matter. But that doesn't mean I've been acting on flippant whim and adding anything to Thief which happens to cross my mind. AK47s can not be introduced under the same logic which I've followed. The two have no correlation to one another.

[littlek]

I first made the cranky comment in reference to the LAG where I had Mort really getting on Caradavins nerves. I'd be cranky if Mort were attached to me.... :D Peace!

[littlek]

Originally posted by yubetcha
Oops! Maybe I misunderstood. Sorry, if I did. But it would have helped if there was some indication. I didn't know.

I thought you had ESP???? :D

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by littlek
I thought you had ESP???? :D

There may be a potion for that, but I haven't found it yet. Wait! There is a vial here in my pouch with the initials E.S.P. I wonder what that is for. :D :D

[littlek]

Originally posted by yubetcha
There may be a potion for that, but I haven't found it yet. Wait! There is a vial here in my pouch with the initials E.S.P. I wonder what that is for. :D :D

LOL!!! I am not going there....:D :D :D :D

[The Shroud]

The designers did NOT put in lasers or AK47s. THAT was my point. You can say what you want, but you introduced lasers, no matter how you want to put it.

I never said they had to be lasers -- I said they could be. I also said they could be magic. I simply referred to them as "rays of light", because in either case, that's how they would have appeared to an observer in Thief's age. I find it somewhat unfair that you are so combative toward my ideas, when their radicalism pales in comparison to Thief II's introduction of artificially intelligent machines and cybernetic technology. You're beginning to treat my incorporations as being on the scale of nuclear bombs -- a 'well, if you're gonna do that, why not just turn Thief into Deus Ex while you're at it?' sort of thing. I believe you are blowing this far out of proportion.

Since 'someone' in LAG somehow invented lasers, who are YOU to say that someone else couldn't invent firearms? Firearms "aren't that much of a stretch" either. After all, they have metal, and explosives. And just because you don't think that it's in the mechanist's development path, that doesn't mean that I don't think that.

I never claimed to categorically represent your opinions on the matter. I can find no instance where I implied such. If you think the Mechanists are headed toward automatic rifle production, I won't try to sway your view -- we both already know that we disagree on that.

And as far as "if you can have one, you can have the other" not necessarily being so, I make the same claim about lasers and the other electrical components you mentioned (electronic eyes and aetheric vibration systems). I agree that lasers aren't a big stretch from that, but as I said, firearms aren't either, considering the explosives and metal. They are also able to melt metal, so they can obviously make the necessary shapes. Not a stretch at all! Melting+metal+explosive=the obvious. Very possible. As possible as lasers!

Certainly, it's possible; I concede the point. And I know where you're coming from, also -- if one is possible, then the other is just as possible, and therefore, I've just opened a great Pandora's Box which could give rise to elements that will drastically alter the atmosphere of Thief we've all come to love. I recognize your standpoint, and see the merit in it. I simply disagree that what I have actually achieved by introducing laser-like elements is, in fact, to open a Pandora's Box for Thief's world. That's because I have a different view of what fits with the Mechanists' style than you do -- as you have likewise pointed out. I could go into depth about all of the variables which have contributed to my forming that impression, but it's a moot issue -- since you have undoubtedly been directed by your own share of factors. I think we understand each other.

[yubetcha]

"Rays of light" couldn't be magic... or anything but lasers. That's what you intended them to be. You know it, and I know it. That's what rays of light are, in the situation that you placed them in (guarding a valuable object). And even goggles!
Hostilities? Just because I put stress on certain words as in every day speech, and then ask after you invent something why you have any more right than someone else to decide what inventions shouldn't be there? That's not being hostile. It's a fair question. You can't leap to one invention, and then say that someone else could not make a similar sized leap (actually a shorter leap, in my mind). I would have preferred not introducing any new inventions at all! It ruins LAG for me, because all of a sudden, we are dictating the direction of their technology, when we have no way of knowing that it would have gone that way. Lasers now. Where will it end? Spaceships? And that's a rhetorical question to make a point. I would have preferred to stay true to the game.
<shaking head> No, you didn't address my point with floor switches. "Remember?" Your floor switches don't have any connection whatsoever to my alternative, so yes, you DID miss my point.
Move on? I ALREADY said that we should (my continuity post). But you refused to let it rest. Now, if I continued this, I would only be repeating myself. I have been ready to move on for awhile now. And BTW, there is a maximum number of posts to a thread, so I am going to delete my posts related to this soon, to make room for the important stuff. You can do what you want. :)

[yubetcha]

Hey, littlek. I think I may have found what E.S.P. could stand for on the potion vial... Eternal Se... well, you get the idea. Did you think of that already ("not going there comment")?. It could also be Elf Sizing Potion... either that, or Ebola Sucks Protons :D

[The Shroud]

Originally posted by yubetcha:
"Rays of light" couldn't be magic... or anything but lasers. That's what you intended them to be. You know it, and I know it. That's what rays of light are, in the situation that you placed them in (guarding a valuable object). And even goggles!

How do you know what I intended? I've already said that rays of light could just as easily be magic, yet you refuse to accept my own statements about that. If the author himself can't be trusted to represent his own stance, who can?

You can't leap to one invention, and then say that someone else could not make a similar sized leap (actually a shorter leap, in my mind).

I've already conceded that point.

<shaking head> No, you didn't address my point with floor switches. "Remember?" Your floor switches don't have any connection whatsoever to my alternative, so yes, you DID miss my point.

If you're talking about your alternative being magic, that's what I've been saying the light rays could be all along.

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by The Shroud


Oh, right. I refused to let it rest, without any help from you whatsoever. Do you realize how one-sided that is? Continuing an argument with a barrage of points, and then suddenly adding as an after-thought that it's time to stop kind of corners the other side, you know? It allows you to get in the last word and insures that if I present any replies in my defense to the points you made, it will paint me as the perpetuator. It's a very clever tactic -- if one's goal is to make the other look bad. But since you've been on the aggressive, and I on the defensive, throughout this discussion, the only way you're stance is going to be conducive to an end is if you stop arguing against what I've written in LAG. You brought it up -- you back off. That's the only way you'll convince a reader that you really do wish to stop arguing. Otherwise, you'll always leave the ball in my court to counter the aggressive.

I disagree with you very strongly here. Yes, you DID refuse to let it rest without any help from me. SOMEONE had to say move on, and there was NOTHING wrong with me being that someone. You wouldn't do it! FYI, you're not the only one who has been the defender, and I have not been the only aggressor here. Almost everything you've said here, I could have said. And as far as what rays of light means, no, I don't believe you. But so what? I also don't believe the bit about the feet, but again, so what?
Gee, I thought you wanted to move on. :rolleyes: Apparently, YOU are the kind of guy who has to have the last word. You got it! I'm moving on. Are you happy now?

[yubetcha]

You just can't let it go no matter what. That was only defending myself. NOW I'm done.

[Caradavin1]

You guys sound like you're married. It's like two married Trekkies going at it about engine velocity. Wow, I have never seen such an unsubstantial argument carry on so far...no, I take that back - (sigh) - forums.

Anyway, I refuse to post one more piece of fiction until I am assured that it won't matter how creative I am. This is the last place for a power struggle, or brain power struggle or whatever this is. And maybe you two should argue on PMs. ;)

[yubetcha]

You haven't posted very much lately. You post this now after we stopped? Go ahead and be as creative as you like. But everyone should just remember that it's a two way street. There were times that I restricted myself. I don't feel the need to do so now. And a little debate now and then never hurt anyone. Besides, it hasn't been going on THAT long. Hey, at least I tried to stop. BTW, talk about last digs and retaliation. He sees it as a failure in being objective. LOL! Then again, maybe it's not.

[Speedy[143]]

I can't wait..... I'm going for the 200th post on LAG... see you guys over there:D

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

[yubetcha]

Originally posted by Speedy[143]
I can't wait..... I'm going for the 200th post on LAG... see you guys over there:D

XXXOOO
Speedy;)

Ah, the coveted 200th post! Congratulations. Johnny, tell her what she's won.
(Johnny) Speedy, you've won a trip to Dayport, populated with many ghouls and haunts! *Applause* We hope you can find it. We couldn't. :D

[Caradavin1]

have fun

[The Shroud]

Caradavin, I don't recall ever having seen a creative post of yours which I thought had gone too far. Be assured that you'll receive no criticism from me.

[yubetcha]

They didn't go too far, as far as I'm concerned, but then, that's not what I was referring to.