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[Fermat]

Was Gamall in Thief 2?

[LongVin]

yeah. she had a minor role when they were reading from the prohecies.

[BOB_E]

Really, (originally posted that she wasnt in)what level, because I dont remember anything about Gammal.

[tealsmith]

Originally posted by BOB_E
Really, (originally posted that she wasnt in)what level, because I dont remember anything about Gammal.

She wasn't in a 'level'. In Thief 2, the cutscene before Eavesdropping. Remember the cinema? Gamall, Caduca, Xavier, Artimus, Orland, and Garrett were all in it.

[BOB_E]

I meant the cut-scene before or after a level is what I meant. Damn, I guess its been so long I dont even remember that one.

[tealsmith]

Originally posted by BOB_E
I meant the cut-scene before or after a level is what I meant. Damn, I guess its been so long I dont even remember that one.

I still remember all the lines :D . Except Caduca's, on account of her not speaking english.

Gamall: "I pick the guilded apple from the iron tree..."
Garrett: "Iron trees? Not in my part of town."

[LongVin]

I wonder if anyone figured out of the symatics to the language in the prochepies. It would be real cool if someone made a language based on that

[GandalftheGrey]

:Dwas gamall always evil? or was gamall simply possessed by the hag? if so at what point? and what are the origins of the hag? does the hag have any history in the thief series and does she have any other names?

[MrWynd]

it seems to me that gamall was seduced by the power of the runes...It's not really clear that I've found if Gamall was controlled by the runes or simply had the thirst for power that the runes gave.

[Guineapiggy]

Gamall was once a keeper many decades ago, an era where they started to discover talk of the dark age, the final runes and of the Thief. She was slowly corrupted by the power of the glyphs the further she went, and soon set out on a quest for ultimate power, vanishing with many texts and glyphs. She hacked away in to her old age where she began using the glyph where she could steal people's skin to extend her own existance, and used this over and over, until using it once again on the child Lauryl to infiltrate the keeper libraries and steal their works. She then, at least I believe it was implied to be her, burned down the Cradle trapping the souls of her victims and those who died there inside. She killed Caduca later on because she was about to reveal her for what she was, and set about attempting to destroy Garrett, who she had noticed to be the most prominent man in all prophecies. This is where it gets to theory, as I believe this, the fact he was unswayed by the power of the glyphs and only used the final one out of need and never got involved in what he did, that indicates he was the one true keeper, as the quotes in some loading scenes describe, and she suspected this and wanted to make sure that the prophecies spoke of her and no other.

I covered why I think Garrett is the true keeper in another post but I'll rehash: The final glyph gave immortality, Garrett activated it, this is why he looked young in the final cutscene, became an immortal like the Trickster or Viktoria, this is pretty clear to me at least, could be wrong. That aside, the line "The first keeper is a surrogate for the one true keeper, who's arival we await with dread.". They wouldn't really be scared of the final keeper, would they? I think this is more another vague keeper interpretation meaning that the dark ages come before his 'arival'. That and the mark on his flesh afterwards, along with the lines about him being the most prominent man in all the writings of the keepers, appearing in almost every single prophecy. Something that worried Gamall too.

"I know more of the glyphs than you... I am the glyphs." (From the cutscene where she goes psycho.)[/b]

[Borsin9]

You know, saying that Gamall is evil is a spoiler. Keep that stuff under a shade of blue next time so you don't ruin the surprise for those who have yet to play the game!!!

[GandalftheGrey]

what was keeper gamall's name when she was only just a keeper a long time ago?

[magic_Motor_Ola]

Couldn't it be possible that the fire in the cradle started because of the patient (read the hall of records book) that sometimes was allowed to light some fire in the lounge for good behavior psyched out or something, maybe dropped the matches :P or whatever (so it was just an accident). Could as well been Gamall who did it.

[magic_Motor_Ola]

Originally posted by GandalftheGrey
what was keeper gamall's name when she was only just a keeper a long time ago?

I bet it was Gamall.

[GandalftheGrey]

i'm confused... did gamall look like a little girl many decades ago? has she been under lauryl's guise that long?? wouldn't that freak the other keepers out? or if she looked different decades ago, wouldn't it seem weird to them that this little girl's name is also gamall? "translator gamall" to be exact :confused:

[Ferett]

Thats why Gamall went through all the tomes, ripping out her name from the history books so that they'd never know.

[GandalftheGrey]

hmm i must have been spacing out when they covered that part.... when did they mention this?

:)

[Conquistador]

Hmm yes Gamall was a small girl back in Metal Age. Retrospectively it seems like the biggest problem with DS plot now :(

[Guineapiggy]

Originally posted by Conquistador
Hmm yes Gamall was a small girl back in Metal Age. Retrospectively it seems like the biggest problem with DS plot now :(
Erm... if you put your fingers in your ears and screamed LALALALALALALALANOTLISTENING during plot essential moments... they weren't suspicious of Gamall because she removed all reference to herself on infiltration too. This and she can change form at will, surely you noticed that when Garrett first saw her activating the statues you realised that? She was the hag then, then the kid again later. Also, she killed Artemus a while before she was exposed and only used his form later on. This is why they played up him going missing when many keepers had done likewise anyway.

[Conquistador]

Originally posted by Guineapiggy
Erm... if you put your fingers in your ears and screamed LALALALALALALALANOTLISTENING during plot essential moments... they weren't suspicious of Gamall because she removed all reference to herself on infiltration too. This and she can change form at will, surely you noticed that when Garrett first saw her activating the statues you realised that? She was the hag then, then the kid again later. Also, she killed Artemus a while before she was exposed and only used his form later on. This is why they played up him going missing when many keepers had done likewise anyway.

What I'm saying is she was in the "small girl" form during Metal Age, and was Caduca's interpreter just as she was in DS. Considering that she has taken that form when inspector Drept was a kid, how come noone considered it strange that she doesn't grow up ? It could be explained by the influence of the glyphs, but than why does Orland sais "oh but she is so young..." when appointing her to Caduca's post ? I mean he was around in T2 as well

[Guineapiggy]

Erm, there was like less than a year between TMA and DS for all we know, besides which she didn't spend decades with the keepers as a kid, she joined later in the guise of Laryl. (Clearly, when stealing the form of someone who went missing you have to leave some time between or people will get suspicious. Not that hard to work out is it? :p

[Conquistador]

What gave you the idea that there was less than a year ? What those crises happen every 2 month ?

[Guineapiggy]

Remember this conversation in Thief 2?

'All this? Karrass, Viktoria? All this was written?'
'All is as was written.'
'And there's more.'
'Show me.'

[Conquistador]

Interesting. I must admit I don't remember this conversation. So what do you think the time gaps between DP, MA and DS were ?

[Guineapiggy]

From DP to MA can't have been too long as Garrett got his mechanical eye from the Mechanists as a reward for stopping the Trickster, so I'd say a year or two. It's kinda hard to say as there's an indefinite amount of time depending on how long it took the mechanists to get a foothold in the city and start winning friends in high places.

[tealsmith]

I can't remember where, but I believe it's been stated that Thief 2 takes place only 6 months after the Dark Project.

[magic_Motor_Ola]

Yeah it's a pretty tight timescale in the Thief series. DD is only 9 days long :P

[tealsmith]

Originally posted by magic_Motor_Ola
Yeah it's a pretty tight timescale in the Thief series. DD is only 9 days long :P

Actually it's closer to 2 weeks if you count the training mission and the Rutherford Castle.

[magic_Motor_Ola]

Aah that's true, but anyway, it's still pretty short. ;)

[GandalftheGrey]

it would have been much easier for gamall to just take a new name, instead of going through the libraries and discarding all books mentioning her name... but oh well no big diff i suppose :D

[][V][ePhi$']'o]

while were kind of on the thief-dp subject i was playing the theif 3 demo when i got the urge to install the first 2 again.
Theif 2 installed with no problem,
then i try to install thief 1
The autorun comes up.
I click install and it freezes for like 20 seconds and then disapears
and nothing happens. :confused:
i heard somthing about the first 2 game snot being able to run on XP but Thief 2 works fine, any suggestions?
btw, the disk is in perfect condition, so thats not the problem

[Majnun]

@Mephisto

Go check this thread:

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/showthread.php?t=75031

You'll need to Run the games setup using the -lgntforce command. It's -LGNTFORCE in lowercase...details in the post.

You'll also need to download the appropriate Direct3d patch for whatever version you have. Scroll down to this line:

Direct 3D Device does not accurately report texture memory usage, or Help! I only get a black screen!

and get the patch you need.

Then you'll probably have to right click the .exe file and set it to run in compatability mode. I had to use win2k mode but some have to use win98...so try them all if one doesn't work.

There's a few other problems people have, all described in that post...but you probably will only need the stuff I mentioned.

If ya still can't get it to work go over to the EIDOS Thief series technical forum and ask again...or better yet go here and ask:

http://www.ttlg.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=83

[Majnun]

-oops, double post.