Need some serious Help!!! :(

[Chronicles5]

OK, India is crashing now, and Ive tried lots of things to save it. Anyone who can help me, well, let's just say you'll be handsomly rewarded :D.

I added D. Jackson's spikewall to it, added a few more rooms to the level.

Output wad, level converter.

Gets almost all the way loaded, and then crashed.

Got rid of spike wall, rooms, and other stuff.

Gets almost all the way loaded, and then crashes.

Got rid of lots of static objects, and added in some enemies.

Gets almost all the way loaded, and then crashes.

Deleted those enemies.

Gets almost all the way loaded, and then crashes.

*Starting to get worried*

TRFix

Objects, sounds, and lights are all out of place.

Gets almost all the way loaded, and then crashes.

I notice a trigger next to Lara in the start of the level. I never put it there, I don't remember seeing it. I go to look at it,(left click in plan view) and the editor crashes.

Now I have a suspect :D

I tried to copy and paste the room- re-do it, but when i move lara away from her original position, the game loads halfway and crashes.

Judging by the fact that my backups also crash, I'm betting this is a wad problem.

Can anyone help? I've been deleting stuff like crazy, and if I don't fix this, I'll be miserable for days...:(

[daniel]

Hi chronicles,
I think the only way to fix the problem is to make a new wad with the same objects. Here are some tipps:
Having finished your WAD there are mostly lots of textures in it that aren´t needed anymore. Open WADmerger and click the optimize button; all unneccesary textures will be removed and your wad can shrink about even 0,5MB. Then create manually with the help of sounds.txt and the pcwadsfx creator new *.sam and *.sfx files for your wad. That will cost a LOT of time, but you can be sure that you don´t have any not-used sounds in your wad. That are the only things I can tell you, hope you can fix your problem ASAP :(

[Chronicles5]

Thanks, but I really want to avoid Wadmerger, unless there's a bug-free way to do it. I made a new wad though, and I'll experiment with Wadmerger. I don't really know much about the pcwadsfx stuff...:(

[isis]

Chronicles5, all I can say is your problems seem almost word for word what happened to one of my levels, the crashing as it was loading, dodgy triggers etc. I worked for hours to try and resolve the problem but in the end I had to give up. I know this isn't much help to you, but if you do find a solution and get it working again I would appreciate knowing what you did. I have to say though, in my case, I think it was the prj that was the problem as I always keep lots of back up copies of the wad when changing it and even with using a really old wad it still crashed.

Also, sometimes I find it helps if you go away and work on something else for awhile, another level or even another game, you can come back to this one later and see things in a sort of fresh light and maybe figure out what the problem is.

;)

[Palopique]

It seems, that the objects are not the real problem there...

So have a look to the lightning. Are there two suns in one room, or is the sun outstanding of the room? This will crash your level every time.

Palo

[Chronicles5]

Well, this is something I'll look into. I'm pretty sure I only have one sun in the level, but I might be wrong. (I don't use Suns commonly) I'll check the room with the sun. :)

Thanks! :)


EDIT: Wait, what do you mean by "the sun is the outstanding of the room" I did delete the wasp object that was in here, so the sun is the only object in that room. Is that what you mean? I hope so- now I know what to do!! :)

[Tombhead_96]

i think he meant is the sun outside the actual bounding of the room. :D

i had the same problem with my first level, and it was always the wad the wad that was meesing up. i had to recreate the same wad about 4 times/ :mad: :D

[Chronicles5]

OK I got it ;)

I deleted that Sun, still no luck.

What about these possiblilities:

Too many lights! (What is the limit, and how can I see how many I have)
Too many static objects (What's the limit and how can I tell how many I have)
Too many objects in WAD
Too many moveables placed (I am under 230 I think)

I want to fix this today ;) Thanks for all your help! :)

[Chronicles5]

I'd like to draw attention to this again:

"I notice a trigger next to Lara in the start of the level. I never put it there, I don't remember seeing it. I go to look at it,(left click in plan view) and the editor crashes."

Does anyone know what to do about this, what is wrong, etc.

[Tombhead_96]

to see how many statics/movables you have in your level take a look at the
levelnamehere.txt file in your graphics/wads folder.

[Chronicles5]

OK Thanks, I just saved the original wad with wadmerger (there are 2 backups, JIC.) I hope this will work, it reduced the texture tiles by almost half! It has messed up the level before, though :(

[Collin]

I'm a rookie at the TRLE so I don't have a clue what to do, but the limits you can find here (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2737).

Good luck (and try to stay out of the asylum)! :)

[Chronicles5]

Thanks Collin! :)

I think the only problem can be that I'm exceeding a limit of some kind- all my wads crash, even the ones made by Wadmerger...

Larzbritsh is sending me my old wad I send a few days ago, to hopefully clear up any problems I made in the WAD last night.

There should really be a way to know the limits are being exceeded. :mad:

I have 214 objects (many have been deleted, I use to be in the red, but I'm not sure if I got to 244-246, and I never got an error message for this)

I have 277 triggers. This can't be a problem the limit's 512.

Collin, can you please call the mental institution for me? :(

[aktrekker]

If you want, you can send me the PRJ file and I can delete that trigger next to Lara. In fact, I'll just delete all triggers in the room where Lara is (which room is it).
I won't need the WAD or TGA, just the PRJ. I'll delete the triggers and send it right back so you can try it out.

[Chronicles5]

Thanks!! OK, the room with the trigger is Room0, so it's easy enough to find the one I mean. You don't need to delete all the triggers in that room, just the one would be fine, thanks :)

Larzbritsh has sent my old WAD and TOM, so the level now works, but only with that TOM, so I can't keep working on the level. I think this trigger is part of the problem.

Here is a screen of the faulty trigger:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/chronicles5/faulty.txt
And here is a link to the PRJ download:
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/chronicles5/brahma.prj
Please, no one download this besides aktrekker. ;)

Also, can you find out stuff like if I have too many objects or whatever is corrupting the project? I would really appreciate anything you can do or find out, this is a huge help, and you will now be featured in the credits level ;)

Thanks very much for all of your help everyone. :)

[Chronicles5]

my project isnt corrupted!!! wohoo!!! i just deleted the 10 most recent rooms, and it loaded fine. i'm going to slowly put the rooms back, and see what the problem is, though im guessing its the newest area- it has tons of shivas, it might be too much memory... still do that project, though, i'd like to get rid of potential disasters :D