A terrible mistake!

[alepu]

Hi,
I've noticed a terrible mistake in Defiance. First of all I want you to remember the order in which some events happened in BO.
1) Execution of Vorador.
2) Death of Moebius.
3) Kain is summoned to the Pillars by Mortanius. (Come to me my undead son...)

In Defiance we see a different order.
1) Raziel witnesses how Mortanius summons Kain.
2)Raziel finds Moebius in Vorador's Mansion.

Moebius is already dead in BO when Kain's summoning takes place, but in Defiance he is alive. He is even talking about Vorador's execution in the future tense, when in fact Vorador was already dead in BO at the time of the summoning.

I have 2 theories about this:

1) The paradox at the end of SR2 and Raziel's escape from the Reaver somehow altered the events in BO.

2)Mortanius created the message, but made sure Kain received it after he had killed Moebius.

Please tell what you think.
Tnx.

[Omni_Sephiroth]

its either the result of srewing with time or the work of the elder god, as mobius said The one i serve has power over life and death

[bish]

or it could simply be a mistake on the production side of things...which is probably the case


bish

[Dark_Raziel01]

i think omni_sephiroth is right with the time line & the effect the elder god has on it

[DMraider]

Elder God revived Moebius right?

[unimatrix2612]

Originally posted by bish
or it could simply be a mistake on the production side of things...which is probably the case


bish
This is what I understand from the Q&A posted on Blinc's site:
Be Warned: the following link is goes directly to the Q&A which contains MASSIVE SPOILERS

Click Here, its at the bottom (http://www.thelostworlds.net/Defiance-Amy.HTML)

[LOK kain is the greatest]

but didn't the elder god revive Mobius after he gets killed by kain?. i mean mobius says something like.

"What.....Kill me......Again" (sorry not full quote, don't know where to look.)

i think the EG brought him back.



Luv KITG

[Dogfight]

In Defiance we see a different order.
1) Raziel witnesses how Mortanius summons Kain.
2)Raziel finds Moebius in Vorador's Mansion.

Moebius is already dead in BO when Kain's summoning takes place, but in Defiance he is alive. He is even talking about Vorador's execution in the future tense, when in fact Vorador was already dead in BO at the time of the summoning.

I have 2 theories about this:

1) The paradox at the end of SR2 and Raziel's escape from the Reaver somehow altered the events in BO.

2)Mortanius created the message, but made sure Kain received it after he had killed Moebius.

Please tell what you think.
Tnx.

Yes, this was an unintentional mistake done by the staff at Crystal Dynamics which was never really accounted for. According to the F.A.Q.'s on Defiance the events still happen in the order of the original Blood Omen 1. Therefore, either as I stated some time ago, Mortanius underneath Avernus Cathedral merely used the magical glowing red circle he stood upon when speaking to leave a recorded message in another magical circle for young Kain to find later on or the more logical explanation another put forth, Moebius momentarily went into the near future to see how things would turn out and then went back a few hours into the past to kill Vorador and be killed by the young Kain. Either of these is a plausible explanation until Crystal Dynamics corrects their mistake in a new F.A.Q. .

After being killed by the young Kain, the Elder somehow resurrected Moebius from the dead and called him to the Vampire Citadel, this has been confirmed in a F.A.Q..

[alepu]

Thanks for the answers.
Moebius was resurrected by the Elder after he had already been killed by Kain Jr. When Raz meets him in the Mansion, Moebius is not yet killed by Kain Jr. because Raziel says: "You too are going to your death." The Elder resurrects him after his death at Kain's hands. Besides remember that they are talking about Vorador's execution in the future tense. Vorador died before Moebius did, right?

Yes, this was an unintentional mistake done by the staff at Crystal Dynamics which was never really accounted for. According to the F.A.Q.'s on Defiance the events still happen in the order of the original Blood Omen 1. Therefore, either as I stated some time ago, Mortanius underneath Avernus Cathedral merely used the magical glowing red circle he stood upon when speaking to leave a recorded message in another magical circle for young Kain to find later on or the more logical explanation another put forth, Moebius momentarily went into the near future to see how things would turn out and then went back a few hours into the past to kill Vorador and be killed by the young Kain. Either of these is a plausible explanation until Crystal Dynamics corrects their mistake in a new F.A.Q. .

I totally agree with Dogfight.
Thanks everyone.

[DJpick]

Actually the mistake isn't that Moebius is alive, because we know that EG could have revived him.

The mistake is simply that Moebius said he had a funeral/beheading to attend, when in fact if he is refering to Vorador, it has already happened.

[alepu]

DJ Pick I know that EG could have revived him. It's just that Raziel says:"You too are going to your death.", which makes me believe that Moebius didn't die and EG didn't resurrect him.

[DJpick]

Well, if the scene was right after the beheading, Moebius DID in fact die by Kains hand.

It doesn't matter what could have should have would have happened. CD has admitted it was a mistake that couldn't be fixed by the time of the release.

[alepu]

It is sad nonetheless to find mistakes like that.:(

[Shinryu]

Actually, the explanation of Moebius going into the future to make sure Raziel had killed Kain seems logical (he looks as if he is waiting for him), if it weren't for the fact that Moebius never actually moves through time. He doesn't need to, since he is the Time-Streamer and knows everything that will happen: of course, this doesn't apply to Raziel who has free will.

On the other hand, Mortanius recording that message is the simplest explanation, since he WAS sort of playing a part after all. History being changed by the SR2 paradox would make for a complicated explanation, since there are too many conflicting things...Mortanius wouldn't have called Kain to the Pillars if he'd known that there still was a Guardian alive. The nly thing I can think of is:
1)Kain somehow killed Moebius while Vorador was still alive; the Guardians were all dead except for Anacrothe and Mortanius, so the latter called Kain to the Pillars;
2)The Elder resurrected Moebius to finish off Vorador (they needed his staff to catch him); Moebius hunted Vorador down in his mansion and met Raziel;
3)Moebius executed Vorador; Kain killed him again;
4)Moebius was resurrected again and killed for the third time by Kain in the Spirit Forge.

That's the only possible way things could have gone, and it's way complicated. Personally, I like the time-journey explanation.

These are just my thoughts...since it's been confirmed that it was a production mistake:(