47's Psychology

[Assassin47]

Okay this is just a thought that popped into my head so I'd like evryone's idea on this sorta concept. With Contracts Eidos displayed Hitman's memory. With Silent Assassin they showed he has feelings as displayed for his desire to recover the Priest. Why not a game where he gets contracts to take out scum he has no prob and is cold blooded of it and then someone who is innocent or for some reason cannot pull the trigger and he then wants out of the business and protects the girl and now agency comes after him and now it's a defense of of himself. You must defend yourself against so people of 47's calibre but no more friggin's clone's. I'd like input on this and if you'd like take the basic concept of it and expand on it going in your own direction.

[Logos1]

It's honestly interesting, especially imagining the part of having 47 in a moral dillema (over the innocent); I think I'd love that. About the agency coming after him, this came to mind: the stealth-infiltration concept of this game that makes this game so dense and special would be hard to keep. What would he infiltrate anything for? The guys are coming after him, he won't start looking for a poison bottle or fooling a guard, he's gonna have to duck and shoot. ...and that would kind of pull Hitman back down the videogame evolution ladder to the mindless Doom-ish shoot-em-up it's been contributing to surpass. There *might* be something to be done with such a story that would remain original... Tell us if you can find an original, true-to-Hitman way to do it.

[DCH]

Ok hear this!

The thing that makes 47 so special over the other undeveloped clones is the fact he was cloned using 47 chromosomes (as explained on the final level on the first hitman by his "dad").

I loved the clone who chased me on hitman 2, so why not making a "codename 57", or better yet "codename X" or something, that will be better than 47 and we will have to infiltrate labs or so to get details on how to eliminate him.

[Ghost Dragon]

Thats sound like a terminator !

I dont get that part: what is the deal with theese 47 chromosomes ??Is it because of them that he last so long when beeng shot ?

[Assassin47]

Okay here's my attempt to make my idea work and stick to Hitman's nature. You have the agency who operates as a central point for an assassin to be assigned to a specific contract. Since they are an agency I suppose it is fair to assume there might be more than one assassin who is not a clone. e can move beyond the clone stuff that was addressed in Silent Assassin. Now, in H1 he gets a kiss from the Ho and shudders so it shows he is emotionless and an intent killing machine. However, in Silent Assassin he expresses feelings by searching for the Priest, who is an innocent person, and seeks him out. So while being extremely goal oriented in accomplishing missions he does have feelings clone or not he is a human being. Now Contracts shows more emotion, in a sense, by delving into his memory, the mind of a killer, and so it is fair to assume that while being a clone and highly focused when accomplishing missions he is still human and has the same feelings of emotions as us all. Now, going with the idea that 47 is not the only assassin you bring in assassin B who is not a clone but just another assassin. B is very good at his profession and has heard of 47 and doesn't think he's the man. So, out of jealousy B wants to show he is better than 47 and Agency picks up on this for whatever reason. So they start pitting the 2 against each other by assigning them similar contracts. Eventually, we come to contract X which involves someone who may have something or know something and 47 realizes this person does not need to be killed when the information could simply be swiped. For the sake of argument we'll say it is electronic (audio or computer file). We'll make the mark a girl to play on a male's emotions. Hitman somehow can't pull the trigger but now B is hot on the trail and now Hitman decides to go against his nature and save a life and now it becomes not only a fight for his life but to defend the mark's life. So you can make this part the last 2 or 3 missions and have the chase on. Where you have to perform certain functions and in the grand finale save the girls life and your own from an assassin hell bent on taking you both out and fulfilling his jealous intent. You could take this or even parts of it and even expand. I tried to avoid to indepth stuff to avoid making this any longer. Fire away with responses to my addition to basic concept.

[Assassin47]

I came across a weird coincidence yesterday. I had just finished playing Contracts and picked up my forsyth book Day of The Jackal and one weird detail caught my eye. his can probably be chalked up under conspiracy theory but here it is:

"After she hung it up, the key swayed for a few seconds from the hook, and the man in one of the foyer arm chairs apparently waiting for a friend, who lowered his newspaper as the Dane passed into the restaurant, noted that the number of the key was 47."

I thought it was just coincidentally weird that after playing Contracts that the small detail stuck out so much to me. I know simply a coincidence that the number of the key was 47. Where did Eidos come up with the number 47 for Hitman? I forget some of the real specific details so I may have missed a minor detail from H1.

[Assassin47]

Either way no matter what way Eidos goes for H4 the game just needs a completely new story added to it. Something that sticks to the basic nature of Hitman but move away from some of the other crap. Broaden your horizons with the game. Create a wider range of targets from miltants, to fictional political leaders of some third world country that never amkes the news. Just whatever you do don't pick one of the major nations of the world. Christ can you imagine the political uproar that would create. Hell, how about a South American nation. Just get out of the jungle. Try an urban setting of a nation under dictatorship where the security forces are much more out in the open. Maybe even Africa. Best choices for those who wish for political targets are South America, Africa, Mid-East, or Carribean. Europe and America are no-no's unless you are gunning for underworld scum. How about we move away from Europe too. Just a wee bit.

[Ghost Dragon]

No one answerd my qestion: Whats the idea with the 47 chromosomes !

I realy whant to see what hapens to the guy left inside the asylium after it was seazed by the SWAT,that russian guy Arkadj (cant remmeber his name at the moment...) and lets not forget that he was the prototype for the clones....

[DCH]

Originally posted by Ghost Dragon
No one answerd my qestion: Whats the idea with the 47 chromosomes !


I think it has something to do with the cloning system. Maybe when you clone you use only 46 or less chromosomes, but on Hitman's clone (or shall I call him "Tobias Ripper" ;) ) they used 47 chromosomes - therefore making him more powerful intelligent and capable.

[Ghost Dragon]

Well the only thing i remember for biology class is that the chromosomes are 'made' when cells split.In a normal cell when it splits it 'makes' 46 chromosomes , in a sex cell there are only 23 chromosomes.So if they added an extra chromosome that explains why 47 is better than his 'brothers'.All the qualitys of Arkadij Jegorov (the man that was the prototype for all the clones) are stronger in 47.

I think that name Tobias Ripper was just for cover...
Anyways Romania is very close to were i live,so might go check out 47 'birth place' :)

[Mukajetsu]

i have a lot of unanswered questions and one comment on the theory of what will happen next. Maybe he shuddered when the hoe kissed him and why he saved the priest is because he is gay. One question is what was the number of chromosomes that the other hitman in H2 had? im thinking it was 27 but i bet im wrong. i had alot of other questions but i totally forgot while watching a show about lions.

[[PAK]Krwawy Lew]

Originally posted by Mukajetsu
i totally forgot while watching a show about lions.

LOL.
Yeah, those lions can be really mezmorizing :D
Pesky animals they are..........

[Mukajetsu]

yeah btw see my sig? any ideas? i've been trying to figure this out all week

[DCH]

Originally posted by Mukajetsu
Maybe he shuddered when the hoe kissed him and why he saved the priest is because he is gay.

No way he is gay! He is simply so pro that he never mixes business with pleasure. Or maybe he was disgusted by the fact that the hoe kissed him! Think about, a hoe kisses you - yuck! Now where did that mouth was before...

[[PAK]Krwawy Lew]

Originally posted by DCH
No way he is gay! He is simply so pro that he never mixes business with pleasure. Or maybe he was disgusted by the fact that the hoe kissed him! Think about, a hoe kisses you - yuck! Now where did that mouth was before...

I would think he's sort of a guy without any feel to emotions (except revenge) so that kiss was sort of new to him.

He was a test-tube baby (from what i understand) so maybe he never kissed a girl/guy before and it kinda frightend him?

Since basically all he was doing since he was "born" was to kill then experiencing new things such as a first kiss would kinda throw him off a bit.

And when he saved the priest was maybe because the priest was his first real frind who dindn't really ask anything from him and 47 thought he owed him one (since it was basically 47's fault the priest got kidnapped).

Just my 2 cents.

[Silent_Hitman47]

No way is 47 gay. Sure the hoes mouth is dirty but still. If he was gay he couldn't shoot a guard because he was too cute . No, I dont think he is gay.

[Mr. Lahey]

Originally posted by DCH

The thing that makes 47 so special over the other undeveloped clones is the fact he was cloned using 47 chromosomes (as explained on the final level on the first hitman by his "dad").

That couldnt make sense. Regular humans only have 46 chromosomes. People with Down's Syndrome have 47.
So basically what I took from this thread is that this game contains a homosexual, mentally challenged hitman.
Some of you guys are stretching it.

[Ghost Dragon]

Read my last post here to see what i think of the extra chromosome....

and what the hell is "Down's Syndrome" ?

[Assassin47]

Ghost here are various definitions of Down Syndrome:

"A combination of birth defects caused by the presence of an extra #21 chromosome in each cell of the body. Many children with Down syndrome also have congenital heart disease - usually atrioventricular canal defect"

"A common genetic disorder in which there is an extra copy of chromosome number 21 (trisomy 21), resulting in mental retardation and physical malformations."

"A syndrome characterized by hypotonia, flat facial profile, upwardly slanted eyes, small low-set ears, short stature, mental retardation, small nose with a low nasal bridge, and spots at the periphery of the iris. These individuals have an extra chromosome and may have congenital heart problems and hearing loss."

"The most common malformation caused by trisomy 21. Most of the patients (95%) have complete trisomy of chromosome 21; some have translocation or mosaic forms. The phenotype is diagnostic (short stature, characteristic facial appearance, mental retardation, brachydactyly, atlanto-axial instability, thyroid and white blood cell disorders). Congenital heart defects are frequent, atrioventricular septal defect and ventricular septal defect being the most common. Mitral valve prolapse and aortic regurgitation may be present. Down syndrome patients are prone to earlier and more severe pulmonary vascular disease than might otherwise expected as a consequence of the lesions identified."

[Mr. Lahey]

Thank You sir.
Basically, they are mentally handicapped.
As for the whole gay thing. I highly doubt it. A guy who was created to kill, and does it for his 9-5, probably doesnt have enough free time to go out 'beaver hunting' which would explain his surprise with female contact.

[Ghost Dragon]

Read the story @ the IOI H3 site: "47 lives a solitary, but rewarding life"
And another thing from the in-game movies that 47 sead (I think that was the Hunter and Hunted pre-mission movie): "Its seems i can only do what i was "made" to do - to kill"

[Mr.Nash]

In H1, 47 does not 'shudder'. He shakes his head and there is a boggling sound. He is obviously confused by the emotions that were presant when that happened, or this 'sigh' might have been a sigh of relief.

47 Continually as we see, DOES have feelings and emotions. He, being a professional killer, pays no attention to these emotions when he is on missions.

As for Down Syndrome, I have one theory. Down Syndrome has an extra #21 chromosone. What if Ort Meyer duplicated another chromosone, or genetically engineered a new chromosone that makes 47 biologically superior? I think it is the best explanation.

[Ghost Dragon]

Awww thats what i sead :mad:

[zakmaxwell]

Whats up with all of this 47 cromozone stuff. I always thought his name was 47 because he was the 47th clone to be made..

[RobK]

Originally posted by zakmaxwell
Whats up with all of this 47 cromozone stuff. I always thought his name was 47 because he was the 47th clone to be made..

Yeah I was kind of wondering the same thing. I seem to recall something about 47 being clone #47. I don't remember Pops saying anything about an extra chromosome.

[zakmaxwell]

yeah. I mean look at the asylum level did you see how many dead clones their were. 47 cromozones my ass

[RobK]

No, of course it isn't 47 chromosomes. A person with 47 chromosomes would be an invalid (Down's, as mentioned in this thread already). Similarly, you 'meet' 17 in Silent Assassin. It's not as though he only has 17 chromosomes; something with that few wouldn't even be human.

He's called 47 because he's clone #47 people, get it right.

Furthermore, on the Silent Assassin webpage you can read Ort-Meyer's diary on 47. Some entries of note:

Intro: "Here are some noteworthy exerpts from Dr. Ort-Meyer's private journal of Clone #47"

1964: "Sept. 5th 1964: Series 4, clone 47 has been successfully taken out of his incubation chamber. Preliminary medical examination suggests a completely flawless clone.
He has been given the number 640509-040147, which, as per standard procedure, has been tattooed to the back of his head"

1993: "Clone 47 has successfully completed all the training courses we can throw at him, and to me he is ready for greater things."

[zakmaxwell]

going back to the chinese prostitute thing. The B-tch lunged at him.

[Rex Taffel]

I'm gonna get back on topic, which is (can you remember?) a new story for hitman 4... or something.

I think bringing all those emotions into the game would kind of ruin it, i like feeling like a stone cold killer when i play, the kind who would kill innocent single mothers and old women if the price is right. I'd like to see more missions in hitman 4, where you just go out and kill someone, without knowing that they deserve it, (not sure there have been any of those missions in the other games... oh well) but just because somebody wants them dead.

For example i'd love a mission that is basically to go to some joe nobody's house and kill him. To make it more difficult maybe you had to kill him without arousing suspicion, or kill his whole family (okay maybe not things like infant murder and killing small children).

All we have seen in these 3 games have been big assignments with tons of guards as your only motivation for not pulling out you ballers and butchering everybody, well i think that a game where you are just a normal hitman, and not the very best that get the toughest jobs every time, would be a lot more fun, and a lot more original.

Maybe the forth game could be about 47 settling down in some crummy little apartment in New York or something, and then just pay the rent by killing different lowlifes that somebody wants to see iced. Maybe even (really reaching now) it could be like Mafia where you have your own car and all of the city is accesible, and you have to drive out to get jobs and buy equibment. IMO, that would be tons of more fun than these high profile missions where your targets are always the most well guarded people on the map.

Man, they should let me write the next game, i have millions of ideas :D

[Jack0fspaids]

Okay here's my attempt to make my idea work and stick to Hitman's nature. You have the agency who operates as a central point for an assassin to be assigned to a specific contract. Since they are an agency I suppose it is fair to assume there might be more than one assassin who is not a clone. e can move beyond the clone stuff that was addressed in Silent Assassin. Now, in H1 he gets a kiss from the Ho and shudders so it shows he is emotionless and an intent killing machine. However, in Silent Assassin he expresses feelings by searching for the Priest, who is an innocent person, and seeks him out. So while being extremely goal oriented in accomplishing missions he does have feelings clone or not he is a human being. Now Contracts shows more emotion, in a sense, by delving into his memory, the mind of a killer, and so it is fair to assume that while being a clone and highly focused when accomplishing missions he is still human and has the same feelings of emotions as us all. Now, going with the idea that 47 is not the only assassin you bring in assassin B who is not a clone but just another assassin. B is very good at his profession and has heard of 47 and doesn't think he's the man. So, out of jealousy B wants to show he is better than 47 and Agency picks up on this for whatever reason. So they start pitting the 2 against each other by assigning them similar contracts. Eventually, we come to contract X which involves someone who may have something or know something and 47 realizes this person does not need to be killed when the information could simply be swiped. For the sake of argument we'll say it is electronic (audio or computer file). We'll make the mark a girl to play on a male's emotions. Hitman somehow can't pull the trigger but now B is hot on the trail and now Hitman decides to go against his nature and save a life and now it becomes not only a fight for his life but to defend the mark's life. So you can make this part the last 2 or 3 missions and have the chase on. Where you have to perform certain functions and in the grand finale save the girls life and your own from an assassin hell bent on taking you both out and fulfilling his jealous intent. You could take this or even parts of it and even expand. I tried to avoid to indepth stuff to avoid making this any longer. Fire away with responses to my addition to basic concept.




Um, HuH??? That is a summery of "Assassins" A well known movie with Antonio Bandaras and Sylvester Stallone. Nice try though... except making the plot for your story exactly like the movie... Lmao.

[jabbapop]

Originally posted by Jack0fspaids
Um, HuH??? That is a summery of "Assassins" A well known movie with Antonio Bandaras and Sylvester Stallone. Nice try though... except making the plot for your story exactly like the movie... Lmao.

wow! so you're saying someone else already made a movie with a plot this contrived?

[Jack0fspaids]

Yea, I'm saying exactly that. They start hiring out Rath and Bain on the same hit's, competing them against each other. He pretty much just gave the EXACT SAME plotline, yes--- rath falls in love with the woman, they hook up; it's the same thing without the clone stuff. Like I said, nice try, but it's already been done.

"Richard Rath is the best assassin out there, a result of the Cold War. But the Cold War is over. He wants out. After one more mark. That's one mark too many.

His mark is a woman named Elektra, her real name long since expired. She's an information super-thief, an expert at computers. She also wants out but has fallen too deep to just walk away. And she learns it the hard way.

In the largest deal of her life, her intricate plot is turned upside down when an assassin named Miguel Bain, hired to kill the same mark by the same boss, attempts to kill her. Rath arrives just in time and instead of killing her, rescues her. The disk that she carries holds some very valuable information and Bain will do anything to get it; Rath will do anything to protect it.

There's more than meets the eye. Richard Rath is Bain's idol. In his eyes, Rath is the best. And also in his eyes, he knows that to become the best, he needs to destroy the best. Which means killing Rath. And Elektra. The two targets join forces to protect themselves but Bain is behind them every step of the way, knowing their every move. It's only a matter of time before a bullet meets one of them. Or both."



http://www.movie-source.com/movie_page.asp?movieID=109


Look it up. It's a good movie IMHO... but whatever floats your boat.


Oh, and don't argue with me, unless you've seen the movie, I wouldn't have brought it up, unless the plots with the other guys story and the movie were ironically "clones" of one another.