Thief Movie

[york807]

So, is it just me or dose any one else think a movie should be made of the Thief series. After all Tomb Raider made it big and Lara Croft dosn't even come close to measuring up to Garrett

[Brother Sledge]

I believe it would be a superb idea. In fact, I heard on another board, that a thief movie was being considered. Of course, this may be untrue. However, Dark Project could make an excellent film I say.

[van_HellSing PL]

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=33794

[york807]

Thanks Van_hellsing I didn't know some one already had the idea. But now I know I'm not the only one that wants to see Garrett make it on the big screen

[Peter Smith]

Welcome, york. Are you really the 807th york? I don't remember the other 806.;)

Yes, the subject of a Theif movie has been raised many times in different forums. Great minds think alike, eh? :)

[york807]

Thanks for agreeing with me Peter Smith. And just to let you know, I'm a police Officer so the 807 is my badge number

[van_HellSing PL]

Hmm, a thieving police officer, that's downright weird ;)

[Scorpion12]

Can't trust anyone, can you? That, or he's a bluecoat working undercover to route out all us honest taffers to toss into Shoalsgate. (pauses) Grab him and tie him up! I'll just get some nice hot pokers to loosen his tongue with...hehhehheh...(EG)

[Mr Twinkle]

It could be okay, but I think some of the distinct 'thief' mood is lost when it isn't you doing the sneaking, your just watching it on the screen.

[Mike Fang]

True. And let's also not forget Hollywood's tendency to take long-beloved series, be it book, game, or tv show, and making a movie that couldn't hold a candle to the original.

Take the movie "Super Mario Bros." Boy, THERE was a let down! Dennis Hopper must've been hard up for a gig, which is hard to believe for an actor of his talent. Oh, and don't forget "The House Of The Dead". Man, that wasn't really a movie, it was a movie crew just having fun with special effects.

It would be interresting, though. I wonder if they would have voice-overs like in the pre-mission intros. Come to think of it, I wonder if they'd have Stephen Russell play Garret! If he didn't measure up to how everybody's favorite reluctant hero is built, maybe they'll do a 3d computer animated movie so they could keep him as the voice.

[Whatz His Name]

I'll be the "black sheep" of this family and say that I don't think it will be a good movie. For starters, why do the majority of the fans like Thief? I think it's the thrill of almost being caught. I don't think many people who are not fans of Thief will find watching a movie about a guy spending 20 to 45 minutes figuring out how to get around a guarded position without being seen or heard. Okay, take out that part of the game from the movie. You will then have the overall story lines of the Thief games. A thief who has to make it past a lot of people who want to hurt him so he can save the world. Hmmmmm, change the thief to a big breasted woman and you would have the last Tomb Raider movie.

I think you will either end up with a movie that the public ignores or a movie that the Thief fans would hate.

[grafixmonkey]

I think it could actually be done well. The beauty of film is you don't have to show everything, you can imply it and set it up to give the full effect without having to go into every detail. We've got modern espoinage movies that end up really great. A "Medieval times" espionage movie with some magic and mythology thrown in might be really awesome. Just think of the humor you could get if he pulled out some Frogbeast Eggs to clear out a room, and then dropped from the ceiling?

[Nevar II]

What makes ME think what game, book, etc would make a good movie, is the story. Tomb Raider really didn't seem to really have that much of an original story line. I mean it was original... just not enough to make a movie out of. But hey, like Whatzizname said, stick a chick with big torpedoes into ANY movie, and you have an instant hit. Well okay I'm maybe exaggerating a bit, but my point is, is that Thief has a VERY original storyline. Not even story line... universe. In the thief "Universe", both mechanical and magic coexist uneasily, blah blah. That alone, I have never even HEARD of in any other books or movies. Of course it doesn't stop there. The idea of the keepers, the pagans, all the nightmarish creatures, mechanical 'bots' made completely possible only with the help of magic - it's all different and unheard of outside of thief.

So while Tomb Raider had the story, it didn't have the universe. Because TR's universe was the *real world*, which we know all too well.... hence, *boooringgg*. Splinter Cell would be different, because we have YET to see a REAL stealth-spy movie. James Bond is not a spy. James Bond is a soldier who always ends up in huge shoot-outs, and creating big explosions. Not at all stealthy. Splinter Cell is probably as close a guess as you'd get to what a 'real' spy is like... ANYWAYS, BACK ON TOPIC

Star Trek, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings - the respective creators of each first made a universe from which their story would flow. Thief, is a wonderful and detailed, yet at the same time unexplored universe, which lays the basis for a good story, with which a movie would be written.

But as with all video game - movie transitions, the original writers, arists, etc MUST have a VERY large role in the production, otherwise we get bombshells like ... super mario bros. The transition always bears the changes that the filming companies want. Good intentions, but they obviously haven't played the original game. We want a MOVIE, of the GAME. Not a self-proclaimed 'new-and-improved' version. Otherwise, it's not a movie of our beloved game anymore... its a movie of a twist or take off of the game, thought up by some boob that may not have even played it.

Anyways... I'm done ranting. Sorry for typing so much.

[Guineapiggy]

Wait wait wait... Tomb Raider had a STORY?! :confused:

News to me...

[Nevar II]

Actually I've never played the game... and I've only watched the second movie... so maybe I shouldn't be judging so quickly.

[Whatz His Name]

Originally posted by Nevar II
In the thief "Universe", both mechanical and magic coexist uneasily, blah blah. That alone, I have never even HEARD of in any other books or movies.
Star Wars meets that discription. The "Force" could be considered magic. Even in the first Star Wars, Luke Skywalker referred to Ben Kenobi as an "old wizard that lives out in the wasteland".

So tell me, do you think Thief has a strong fan base because of the story or the gameplay? Personally, I think it's the gameplay. Since a movie about sneaking around in the dark looking for a way around guards, stealing loot, and occasionally running for your life would be boring, I don't think it would be a block buster. Remove all the gameplay elements from the movie and all you'll end up with is another Tomb Raider "save the world" type movie that has a cooler main character.

The next time you play Thief, imagine setting in a room watching your game and you have no control. Do you think it would still be interesting?

[van_HellSing PL]

The thing about Thief is that it has both great gameplay and a great setting.

Your problem Whatz is that you can only imagine a Thief movie through the lens of thief gameplay. Try to think more about the cutscenes instead.

[Nevar II]

I'm with Hellsing. It has both elements in great supply. And the cutscenes are closer to a movie than actually gameplay. And my personal fanbase, is actually the story. I believe it's well crafted and logical. I would not play the game if it was simply a historical medieval setting. It needs these 'alternate history' storylines, much like Crimson Skies. It keeps its hold on reality, but doesn't drift away so much as to become something completely different like Lord of the Rings.

And as for star wars and the force likened to magic? One word: Midichlorians.

[clayman]

We've batted the idea of a Thief movie around since the beginning.....a good idea I think. Seems the most recommended Garrett has been Russell Crowe. I agree it would make a good movie as long as the "mission" story line made sense for a two hour movie.

[Nevar II]

... that brings me to another 'complaint'. Why do all these video game adaptations always have to carry their OWN storyline?? Why cant a movie not only emulate the characters from the game, but the story as well. Soooo instead of creating a new story for a Thief movie, why not just make a movie of The Dark Project? That type of thing.

[Scorpion12]

... that brings me to another 'complaint'. Why do all these video game adaptations always have to carry their OWN storyline?? Why cant a movie not only emulate the characters from the game, but the story as well. Soooo instead of creating a new story for a Thief movie, why not just make a movie of The Dark Project? That type of thing.

An interesting thought. The simple answer there is, most fans of the genre already know the story/ies of the games, and want something they haven't already seen/played before. But still, it would be interesting to see Constatine/the Trickster and Victoria brought to full life, ala the cutscenes, as that would be how a film of Thief would be done.

[Whatz His Name]

Originally posted by van_HellSing PL
Your problem Whatz is that you can only imagine a Thief movie through the lens of thief gameplay. Try to think more about the cutscenes instead.
Yes, I am looking at it through the lens of gameplay. That's what makes Thief a great game. The fans didn't buy the game for the cutscenes, they bought it for the gameplay. In my opinion, removing the gameplay elements would still leave a good story. But why would the movie be called Thief? Because the movie is based in the Thief game world or because the hero has a side job of robbing people?

I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree on this one. ;) :D

[van_HellSing PL]

The fans didn't buy the game for the cutscenes, they bought it for the gameplay. I for one will buy TDS even if it sucks in terms of gameplay. For the cutscenes. :p

I agree to disagree ;).

[Nevar II]

Look at me for instance. I suck at RTS's. I mean really suck. And actually I dont find them incredibly fun, as they seem to get boring quickly. But what did I do? I went and bought Starcraft. For, yes, the cutscenes. The story too was good, but yesss cutscenes...

I'll disagree to ag- ... I mean I'll agree to ag-... Whatever Hellsing said at the end of his post, ditto.

[Zaccheus]

I think it's a nice idea if done properly but I fear it would most likely end up as a teen targetted cheap cheesy 'superhero' movie.
:(

[Xcom]

Originally posted by Scorpion12
The simple answer there is, most fans of the genre already know the story/ies of the games, and want something they haven't already seen/played before.

Hmm.. LOTR was successful.

[Nevar II]

Well I'd take anything, really. AS LONG AS HE WEARS HIS CLOAK IN THE MOVIE!!!

And book adaptations (LOTR) are different, because its left for our imagination to 'view' the battles or the scenery in our minds when reading the book. With games, you have visual stimulus so its way more predictable.

[grafixmonkey]

Well I definitely think the Thief games had enough originality, enough storyline, and a nifty enough setting that a movie could potentially rock. Tomb Raider... let's be honest here, everybody bought that game for the short-shorts and the triple-D bustline. It was a classic example of a game that was successfully sold to the teenage male *****. There wasn't anything significant about the story or setting at all. If Lara had been wearing a warm leather jacket and long pants, the game wouldn't have sold hardly anything. So they saw the really high sales, and made a movie about the whole "sexy female Indiana Jones" concept, and it ended up being just a cheesy Jones ripoff.

Thief however had a great cinematic feel, with major plot even revealing itself during the gameplay without waiting for cutscenes, and the setting and style hasn't been done in any big movies that I can recall. Thief would make a great movie.

The only thing I'm not sure about is how they'd explain all the unrealistic stuff Garrett does. I mean, he'd have to use a water arrow to extinguish a torch at *some* point in the movie... but in the movie, I don't think they'd get away with questions like "where'd the shaft go? Wouldn't that be seen? Wouldn't the guards notice the torch out and know something's up? Would he *really* not notice that his buddy is not at his post, and not be able to see his unconscious body in the corner?" I think they would have to modify the details a little for realism.

[Nevar II]

Agreed. I don't see any problems or great difficulty in that aspect though.

[Grudge]

wile i do think a thief movie would be awsome,:D i dont know if the scrip director of casting would do the game any justice. the writer directer and cast would all need to be diehard thif fans to get it even remotely right and film would probobly not apeal to many people anyways. :(

[Nevar II]

.... I dont know about you guys, but I VOLUNTEER TO HELP!!

[tealsmith]

I'm not sure if this has ever been brought up or not, but has anyone here ever though of a Thief TV series. If done right, and with the proper production values, I'd be much better then a movie. It'd give viewers more time to settle in with the characters, story, and atmosphere of the Thief games. Imagine, three seasons, one for each game.

[Nevar II]

That could work... I think a mini-series would be better suited, but thats just me.

[Acronomic]

Well, if they do make a movie, Benny has to have a lead role! :)

[Nevar II]

.... whooo is... Benny. .... ?

[Xcom]

:eek:
You've gotta be kiddin'... right?

[Nevar II]

... ummmmmm .... yessssssssssss ... I'm kidding .... heh heh... heh...

... but uh ... tell me anyways.

[theBlackman]

Originally posted by Nevar II
... ummmmmm .... yessssssssssss ... I'm kidding .... heh heh... heh...

... but uh ... tell me anyways.

<marquee> Benny is the generic name for the DRUNKEN GUARDS in THIEF.</marquee>
It has been used nearly since day one by the players when talking about the guy in the bar in BLACKMAIL, on the roof at SOULFORGE, and other OM's and FM's where he stands around wobbling drunkenly and babbling. :D

[Nevar II]

I dont listen to convo's... I shoot them first, then see what they hafta say. Save's time.;)

Just kidding, I usually listen. I dont explore much tho.

[LobsterCreature]

Sometimes I just let old Benny chase me and think it was the Benny Hill show all over again.:confused:

[Nevar II]

So.. Benny = drunk guard?

[tealsmith]

Originally posted by Nevar II
So.. Benny = drunk guard?

Yep. Think back to the mission where you infiltrated Truart's estate. In the gambeling room there was a guard who the barmaid referred to as 'Benny'. He has a very distinct voice.

[Nevar II]

Is he or is he not the one on the bridge in that ambush level... and the woman says "...need a woman to keep you warm?" that... one? Or am I just pretty much in my own little world over here.

[Hardee]

Originally posted by Zaccheus
I think it's a nice idea if done properly but I fear it would most likely end up as a teen targetted cheap cheesy 'superhero' movie.
:(

Roger.

I think it's a terrible idea

[grafixmonkey]

upon second thought, agreed... far too difficult to pull off well, and ever since the movie industry got that Awesom-O 4000 all the movies have Adam Sandler in them. (shudder... "Garrett, as played by Adam Sandler!")

[Benny199]

I wouldn't mind watching a Thief movie........ just as long as it is an animated film, not one done with real life actors.

It would probably be easier to do as well. That's no need for any stuntman or such, and Garrett could actually "perform" his superhuman feats of stealth. You know, disappear into the shadows, vault over a garden wall, dash across the rooftops( btw, is it just me, or does Garrett possesses the "Superleap" ability? He can jump REALLY far. Not high. Far)

So, yeah. I'm all for a Thief movie. So long as it is an animated film.

And oh yeah. Make it an anime film. Wonder how Garrett would look had he been drawn by manga artists?

[Skanky Burns]

Now that you mention it, an anime version could actually work.

[Benny199]

Even if it doesn't, at least the show would look good.

[Benny199]

Garrett is a fantastic acrobat as well as a master thief. After all, he does a lot of second storey work. To do a scene in a movie tie-in that shows him sneaking along a rooftop and leaping to an adjacent roof requires what, 10, 20 shots before the act is deemed good enough? Even if the stuntman is good enough to pull of the act, i don't think fans of the game would be overly impressed. It's just not, to quote a member on this board, "It's just not Garrett." Not to mention the potential injuries that the stuntmen might suffer.

Of course. They could fill in the finer details with CG, but that would be cheesy. Or they could show Garrett leaping out into the night, before cuting to the next scene - him landing safely on his destination.

I don't think think they can get the acrobatic aspects(as well as all the others - plot, story etc) of Thief well enough to appeal to the audience. They should leave well enough alone. Let Thief remain a Great Game, unsoiled by any failed attempts at milking a cash cow.

[Scorpion12]

Hmm...Anime...yes, that could work, rather well I'd think. And as you say, animation can make the stunts look far more impressive than a live man could, though CGI could compensate for any lack on an actor's part, or replace him entirely as LOTR demonstrated in creating Gollum. Still, though...

[van_HellSing PL]

Animation - yes. Anime - no. As much as I like anime, it just doesn't fit in with Thief's style.

I can think of only one anime that reminded me in any way of Thief - Angel's Egg.

What I still would love to see is a longer Thief film by RustMonkey, could even be 15 minutes or so...

[grafixmonkey]

I dunno, anime is pretty diverse. I could picture it working.

Agreed though, that it would be better if they stayed clear of the classic, stereotypical anime elements. Hmmm... Garrett approaches a guard... He's about to knock him on the head, but the guard sees him. The guard pulls back his cape to reveal a gleaming katana, and they stare at each other breathing heavily. Then Garrett does a backflip, flexes his muscles and begins glowing blue, launching a dragon-shaped fireball that destroys half of the hallway, but the guard is still standing! They stare at each other, breathing heavily, and the guard launches a huge red laser beam that takes all of Garrett's strength to block using his magic blackjack-nunchucks. They stare at each other, breathing heavily. Then Garrett's sidekick, the pink, blue and white cat-tiger-polar bear-mouse Maurobutu, walks up behind the guard and turns him into a Chocobo...

hmmmm... :D

[Scorpion12]

I'm pretty sure we're not going for DBZ meets Sailor Moon here. Ranma 1/2 meets CCS maybe...

[grafixmonkey]

Originally posted by Scorpion12
I'm pretty sure we're not going for DBZ meets Sailor Moon here. Ranma 1/2 meets CCS maybe...

Although, it would be funny! :D

[coldplay_josh_106]

Maybe if they did it kill bill style! :D ;) that would be great!

[AresJMD]

AAHHH!!! ANIME DRIVES ME CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To much wierd stuff for me to handle...

I'd love to see a more realistic type movie. Arnold Shwarzennegar can star as Garret. Sylvester Stallone can be a Keeper leader, and Jean Claude Van Damme can be Benny. Angelina Jolie can be Victoria. and John Lithgow can star as Constantine. Robin Williams can be a hairy ape man (the pagan creatures featured in Thief 2) What do ya say??? The perfect Cast!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

j. do iron

[van_HellSing PL]

Some stills from the Angel's Egg anime:

http://www.vanhellsing.webpark.pl/egg1.jpg
http://www.vanhellsing.webpark.pl/egg2.jpg
http://www.vanhellsing.webpark.pl/egg3.jpg
http://www.vanhellsing.webpark.pl/egg4.jpg
http://www.vanhellsing.webpark.pl/egg5.jpg

[tealsmith]

I've never seen that one van. In fact, the only anime I watch is DBZ, Cowboy Bebop, and the occasional bit of Ninja Scroll.

I could see, if done correctly, a Thief anime. It could possibly be really cool. The only problem I see with thief as a 'media' would be the fact that half the movie/show would be Garrett sitting in the shadows, waiting for those damn guards to stop complaining about their wages and to move.

[Benny199]

Hmm...

If the show is done as a series rather than as a movie, they could "spread out" Garret's endeavors over the episodes rather than focusing on him staying in the shadows.

Episode 1 : Introduce Garret. Have him drop a guard with an arrow from the shadows, just so it remains faithful to Thief.

Episode 2 : Have him infiltrate and loot a mansion. Introduce a few supporting cast...

Episode 3 : Have Garret engage in underworld politics. Instead of the usual sneaking around, he persuades the necessary parties to support him for some things or another, in return for future favours.

Episode 4 : Introduce a few more charactors. Perhaps show Garret's past.

This way, not everything needs to be based on Garret's extraordinary stealth.

[Benny199]

Originally posted by van_HellSing PL
Animation - yes. Anime - no. As much as I like anime, it just doesn't fit in with Thief's style.

I can think of only one anime that reminded me in any way of Thief - Angel's Egg.

What I still would love to see is a longer Thief film by RustMonkey, could even be 15 minutes or so...

Angel's Egg. That the one where it is always raining? The show is Surreal. I suppose surreal could be used to describe the atmosphere for thief. Moody and oppressing too...

[van_HellSing PL]

Angel's Egg. That the one where it is always raining? The show is Surreal. I suppose surreal could be used to describe the atmosphere for thief. Moody and oppressing too...
Yes, it's that film. An ingenious cooperation between Mamoru Oshii and Yo*****aka Amano. One of my favourite anime - no, one of my favourite movies in general.

edit: Gotta love that swear filter. And one of my favourite writers is Philip K. ****...

[Benny199]

There was barely ten lines of dialogue in the show though.

Come to think of it, Garret ain't no chatterbox either...

[Benny199]

The world of Angel's Egg is one that appears to be dying. The City nearly died a few times, due to the workings of Constantine first, and Karras next. Lieutenant Mosely herself commented in her diary that she doesn't know what is going on anymore. She is depressed with the world, and wishes for the good ol' days where the Baron was in charge.

Yup. I can see the similarities between Thief and Angel's Egg.

[Benny199]

Regarding the what-if-it-was-an-anime idea...

Althought Garett would be able to do all that he does stealth-wise in the show gracefully, the end-results might give the impression that Garret is something more than purely human. In any typical action/adventure anime ( i don't see how thief could fall under any other category) the charactors always end up being able to pull of superhuman feats, the most common being the "superleap". That might suck. We all know that Garett is a normal human, albiet one who has honed his potential for stealth to god-like levels...

Still, better that it is too well-done than poorly done.

[grafixmonkey]

He is more than purely human! He can climb walls! :D

I like the dark, blue shadowy feel of those pics. Very nice. (But why are the shadows BLUE??!?!? WHY??!?!!)

(lol I've been reading this forum too much...)

[Hotmodz]

I think the guy from the BMW films would make a good Garret.

[TallicA]

i agree on the thief movie topic. only i hope if they do make a movie they speend a few years writeing a vary vary good script.
alot of the crap that comes out these days is crap. im a big movie fan and there are few movies that are even made that are even werth seeing. The lord of the rings, is probley one of the best films to be released in 6 years or so. i just wont them to spend a lot of time cuting and pasting. coming up with ideas and just makeing a movie that can live up to the games. i dont wont to see a movie taht was put together in 4 months and is a box ofice drop out. and it would make my favorit game look bad to.

[CheeseEatingBandit]

Why debate between live action vs. anime when you can have both with ROTOSCOPING!

[sesobebo]

I think that anime already have their master thief - he's called Lupin III (; .

[r1cht3r]

yeah but lupin doesn't do anything thief-like..he just walks around acting suave and gets some lame tin-tin like adventure which makes no sense...

[lazarusnt]

Originally posted by Hotmodz
I think the guy from the BMW films would make a good Garret.

I actually thought that myself lol. His name's Clive Owen btw.

[The Master Builder]

I am a huge thief fan, played the first one the most... but a MOVIE would kick ass... Jeff Goldblooom might do, because Gharrett looks like him on the original cover lol
but I heard somthing about tobey mcguire or somthing...
but that would be awesome... a THIEF movie
hehe

[silentshadows]

IF they EVER make a Thief movie, and that's a BIG if it won't be a blockbuster. How could it? It's an older game however much we may love it, and it doesn't have the mass appeal anymore if it ever had it to begin with...I dunno I jumped off the Tomb Raider bandwagon and onto Thief sometime in 2002.

Here's my thoughts...

I wonder if Christopher Nolan would do a Thief movie? He's got dark and gloomy down. Possibly either of the Bourne guys...if they can do medieval. Maybe Peter Jackson maybe. Burton minus Depp could work particularly if they want to add the Maw. Could you imagine Jack Sparrow as Garrett? :D Or even better someone we've never heard.
As for Garrett Clive Owen comes to mind and would probably like a paycheck since he lost to Daniel Craig on Bond (which is funny given the ragging on Tomb Raider we've been doing and Craig was in it) or a stunt guy who looks the part and voiced by Stephen Russell. (It worked for Star Wars.) And it would be so much cheaper that way.
I have no idea how they'd make it. I guess some important info could be exchanged between guards and Garrett over hears. I love the Thief series and I love heist movies Ocean's 11, The Italian Job, etc. I would freak if this got made well, but it would have to be outside of Hollywood.

[WhatsHisFace]

Assuming they actually make Thief PROPERLY, I would love to see a Thief film.

Of course, as soon as some moron director hears that Thief is a videogame, he's instantly going to fill the movie with sci-fi guns and karate fight sequences.

[kamilavalamp]

OK Are You Listening Moderators Give The Bossman This Idea
Give The Audience The Interaction They Had In The Game By Doing Something That Has Never Been Done Before In A Movie This Idea Will No Doubt Make Someone Rich Make The Movie In The First Person Perspective Of Garrett -My Name Is Jeffery Horrocks Please Give Me Credit For This Idea

[jtr7]

:lol: :lmao: :lol: :lmao: