The Warrior Servant
03-02-2004, 12:30 AM
Recently while re-playing BO2, I caught a glimpse of a curious detail behind the Sarafan Lord head on top of the Sarafan keep during the FMV when Kain first re-meets the Sarafan Lord. What caught my attention was a moon, and it made me start to postulate a supposition. I replayed the level and acquired a screen shot of that moon and then acquiring a digital photo of our moon I did a comparison and proved my supposition correct, that the moon of Nosgoth and the Earth’s moon is one and the same. This is shown by looking at the Maria (any of various darkish level areas on the moon) and comparing Nosgoth’s moon to ours there is a one-to-one match of Maria. Indeed Mare Chisium, Mare Tranquillitatus, and Mare Frigoris (for example) are all quite visible on the Nosgoth moon.
Now, the features of any planetoid is routed in its creation and its evolution over its life, so the probability a planetoid would have developed and evolved (by which I refer to the variables in the creation process as well as the variables in the impact of collisions with other celestial matter) in the same way is very, very, very remote. Indeed there is a higher probability that while relieving yourself one day, you urinate out a purple fully grown bull African elephant wearing a pink and white striped tutu holding up an umbrella and asking “is this the way to Coorhagen” in a Brooklyn accent, than what there is of two planetoids developing the same features. Hence Nosgoth’s moon must be our moon and there for Nosgoth must be located on Earth.
Now in our last (lets say) 600 years of cartographical endeavours, Humanity has mapped virtually every place on this planet, or at least mapped every continental landmass which Nosgoth (given its size) would inhabit. However we find no Nosgoth on our maps, which leads us into the development of theories surrounding the nature of this landmass.
I would hence like to propose that Nosgoth be in Earth’s distant future in a time where our societies have been wiped out by some cataclysmic event. The Earth, its landmasses and its animal/vegetable life would have to evolve to satisfy the new conditions. Now, some survivors of the Human may have already had necessarily attributes in order to survive in their new local environment hence the reason we find Humans in Nosgoth. Other Human survivors however may have needed to adapt to their local environments (requiring wings, etc) spawning the Ancient race. An off shoot of this race then could have moved to new environments hence evolving into the Hylden. Now, I’m not sure if the evolution was like this or whether Ancients are an off shoot of Hylden or whether they’re both off shoots from some other generic species, but suffice to say Humans, Vampire, and Hylden could all share a quite similar genome. To support this look at the Humans’ ability to become Vampires, this could only be done if they had quite similar genetics, further more I'll sight the example of the Seer from BO2 who not only has very Hylden traits but also very Vampire traits indicating she is a hybrid, hence showing that Hylden and Vampire have similar genetics. Hence they are all different divisions of the same species.
Now I can’t remember who originally coined this phrase (I believe it was a famous Sci-fi writer) but what they said is thus, “Given enough time all technology will seem like magic.” (Which is true if you think about for instance how a computer illiterate person views a computer.) This could explain the magic occurrences in Nosgoth. Indeed it would seem that the races have a tendency for different kinds of technological endeavours. The Hylden, with their development of the vampire curse and the Mass indicate a preference to the biological sciences, while the Ancients with the development of the Pillars and the Reaver indicate their preference for the mechanical sciences. Both capable of great feets of magic routed in technological science.
As for the elder god, I can only speculate to its nature. Perhaps it has always existed on Earth and was the manifestation that current religions worship. Alternately it could be a space born parasite that caused the cataclysmic event. It could even be a final by product of today’s biological manipulation endeavours. Your speculation is as good as mine.
An alternative theory to the location of Nosgoth is that it is on Earth but exists on an alternate dimensional plane to us, ie. In our distant past our Earth evolved in one direction, while their Earth evolved in another. This would explain the features of the Nosgoth moon being the same as ours, while explaining the deviations between our Earth and Nosgoth’s. Further more this idea of alternate dimensional planes is strengthened by the concept of the Hylden banishment to a demon dimension, as well as Azimuth’s ability to bring in creatures from other dimensions to Nosgoth. (Hey, if this alternate dimension theory is correct, I wonder if Azimuth visited us. Maybe she brought lawyers or even worse Microsoft back to terrorise Nosgoth.)
There is a major problem with this theory in that the probability that Humans could evolve on two different Earth’s is quite remote (as about as remote as two different moons developing the same features.) Even if the split in the Earth’s evolution were made during the early times of Humans, there would not be enough time to produce the deviations of Ancient or Hylden (we would see evidence of their possible evolution on our Earth, which we don’t.) There For I find the prior theory to be more plausible.
(Alternately, Nosgoth is not on Earth. All the CD production team wanted was a shot of a moon and where to lazy to create one so they just stuck a shot of our moon in the game. BUT REALLY WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT.)
In conclusion, shown by the example of the moon and so forth, I now come back to my original claim that Nosgoth IS on Earth!
(PS. if any one can tell me how you put images in a post, I’ll include the comparison images of the moon.)
Now, the features of any planetoid is routed in its creation and its evolution over its life, so the probability a planetoid would have developed and evolved (by which I refer to the variables in the creation process as well as the variables in the impact of collisions with other celestial matter) in the same way is very, very, very remote. Indeed there is a higher probability that while relieving yourself one day, you urinate out a purple fully grown bull African elephant wearing a pink and white striped tutu holding up an umbrella and asking “is this the way to Coorhagen” in a Brooklyn accent, than what there is of two planetoids developing the same features. Hence Nosgoth’s moon must be our moon and there for Nosgoth must be located on Earth.
Now in our last (lets say) 600 years of cartographical endeavours, Humanity has mapped virtually every place on this planet, or at least mapped every continental landmass which Nosgoth (given its size) would inhabit. However we find no Nosgoth on our maps, which leads us into the development of theories surrounding the nature of this landmass.
I would hence like to propose that Nosgoth be in Earth’s distant future in a time where our societies have been wiped out by some cataclysmic event. The Earth, its landmasses and its animal/vegetable life would have to evolve to satisfy the new conditions. Now, some survivors of the Human may have already had necessarily attributes in order to survive in their new local environment hence the reason we find Humans in Nosgoth. Other Human survivors however may have needed to adapt to their local environments (requiring wings, etc) spawning the Ancient race. An off shoot of this race then could have moved to new environments hence evolving into the Hylden. Now, I’m not sure if the evolution was like this or whether Ancients are an off shoot of Hylden or whether they’re both off shoots from some other generic species, but suffice to say Humans, Vampire, and Hylden could all share a quite similar genome. To support this look at the Humans’ ability to become Vampires, this could only be done if they had quite similar genetics, further more I'll sight the example of the Seer from BO2 who not only has very Hylden traits but also very Vampire traits indicating she is a hybrid, hence showing that Hylden and Vampire have similar genetics. Hence they are all different divisions of the same species.
Now I can’t remember who originally coined this phrase (I believe it was a famous Sci-fi writer) but what they said is thus, “Given enough time all technology will seem like magic.” (Which is true if you think about for instance how a computer illiterate person views a computer.) This could explain the magic occurrences in Nosgoth. Indeed it would seem that the races have a tendency for different kinds of technological endeavours. The Hylden, with their development of the vampire curse and the Mass indicate a preference to the biological sciences, while the Ancients with the development of the Pillars and the Reaver indicate their preference for the mechanical sciences. Both capable of great feets of magic routed in technological science.
As for the elder god, I can only speculate to its nature. Perhaps it has always existed on Earth and was the manifestation that current religions worship. Alternately it could be a space born parasite that caused the cataclysmic event. It could even be a final by product of today’s biological manipulation endeavours. Your speculation is as good as mine.
An alternative theory to the location of Nosgoth is that it is on Earth but exists on an alternate dimensional plane to us, ie. In our distant past our Earth evolved in one direction, while their Earth evolved in another. This would explain the features of the Nosgoth moon being the same as ours, while explaining the deviations between our Earth and Nosgoth’s. Further more this idea of alternate dimensional planes is strengthened by the concept of the Hylden banishment to a demon dimension, as well as Azimuth’s ability to bring in creatures from other dimensions to Nosgoth. (Hey, if this alternate dimension theory is correct, I wonder if Azimuth visited us. Maybe she brought lawyers or even worse Microsoft back to terrorise Nosgoth.)
There is a major problem with this theory in that the probability that Humans could evolve on two different Earth’s is quite remote (as about as remote as two different moons developing the same features.) Even if the split in the Earth’s evolution were made during the early times of Humans, there would not be enough time to produce the deviations of Ancient or Hylden (we would see evidence of their possible evolution on our Earth, which we don’t.) There For I find the prior theory to be more plausible.
(Alternately, Nosgoth is not on Earth. All the CD production team wanted was a shot of a moon and where to lazy to create one so they just stuck a shot of our moon in the game. BUT REALLY WHAT ARE THE CHANCES OF THAT.)
In conclusion, shown by the example of the moon and so forth, I now come back to my original claim that Nosgoth IS on Earth!
(PS. if any one can tell me how you put images in a post, I’ll include the comparison images of the moon.)