Will it run on my laptop? It has decent spec

[chris51]

I loved DX1 and wait for DX2 to launch in UK.

Will it run on my new laptop though?

Spec is:

XP - 2.8ghz P4 - 512RAM - 60gig HD 7200 -
128mb radeon 9600 mobility M10 graphics card

Thanks

[Catman]

Long answer: Game publishers generally do not support notebook computers. The game may run just fine, but it may not run at all. If you buy the game and have problems, be aware that you will not receive any official support from either Eidos or Ion Storm.

Fellow board members, however, may be able to help out.

Short answer: Buyer beware.

[sephiroth209]

I am running deus ex on a laptop and since downloading the patch the game runs super smooth with all effects turned on and running at 1024x768 res.

You may have diffrent results depending on your computer, but i am using a pentium 4 3.2 ghz, 1 gig ram, 128 mb ati radeon 9600 mobility graphics card, windows xp home edition.

If i were you though i would check with my manufacturer to make sure that your video card supports pixel and vertex shaders. I had a Sony Vaio FRV27 a few months ago that had Ati card in it and it didnn't have pixel shader.
Laptop manufatureres often change chipsets to suit their individual machines, thats why you must download driver updates on their specific site instead of the ati site.

Hope this helps!

[chris51]

Thanks sephiroth209 - this is good info

I'll endeavour to find out about pixel and vertex shaders on my ATI Mobility M10 Radeon 9600 128mg card (whew)

I've only just bought the laptop so I suppose the drivers loaded by them must be the most up do date?

Where can I get the patch you're talking about in your first para though?

[Mr. Perfect]

Erm, you've both got the same card there, chief. If your 9600 can play it, then so can his. ;)

[grafixmonkey]

Unless the M10 code at the end has anything to do with performance, like the MX does in the nVidia line. You'd better download the demo before you buy it. Even people who have the same exact machines sometimes have wildly different performance with this game.

[sephiroth209]

I'm not sure if the M10 means anything or not, its probably a suffix added to the end so you know what manufactuer the mobility chip is for (ie compaq, dell, ect..) Mine is simply and Ati Radeon 9600 pro mobility

Definetly listen to grafixmonkey though and download the demo though it will save you money and alot of heartaches!

I'm not sure where i found the patch (i'm talking about the 1.1 patch of invisible war), but i got it off of a link from these forums, if i find it again i'll post it.

Drivers are another matter entirely, if i were you i'd get the omega drivers from

www.omegacorner.com

They are generally the most reliable drivers out there since they are based off of the desktop drivers and modified slightly to work on a laptop. Make sure you keep a copy of your old drivers though just incase you have problems. Though my motto with drivers is if its not broke don't fix it:)


here is the link for the patch

http://support.eidosinteractive.com/GI/CustomerSupport/patches/PC/Deus_Ex-_

[thegrommit]

Originally posted by sephiroth209

here is the link for the patch

http://support.eidosinteractive.com/GI/CustomerSupport/patches/PC/Deus_Ex-_ [/B]

Looks broken - a working link to the 1.2 patch can be found in this thread (http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34158) :)

[dunnno]

M10 is just the code name for the graphic chip. Like NV35 = Geforce fx 5900 or R350 = Radeon 9800. Hence, M10 = Radeon 9600 Mobility.

[blackeye]

Originally posted by sephiroth209
I'm not sure if the M10 means anything or not

M10 is the 'ati codename' of the chip, and basicaly means 'ati radeon mobility 9600' ... but beware, there are different versions of the M10 concerning clockspeed, memory, ...

(M9 for 'ati radeon mobility 9000', and M11 for 'ati radeon mobility 9700')

[grafixmonkey]

Anything that says "Mobility" or "Go" or anything meaning "low-power portable version" will lag far behind the performance of the desktop version of that card. (meaning 50% to 70%, a drop you can't afford with DX:IW and the current lines of graphics cards.)

[blackeye]

Originally posted by grafixmonkey
Anything that says "Mobility" or "Go" or anything meaning "low-power portable version" will lag far behind the performance of the desktop version of that card. (meaning 50% to 70%)


i think that is a little exaggerated:
my gffx go5600 (300core/600mem, on p4 2.66) has a score in 3dmark2001se of '10200' and in 3dmark2003 '2800'
ok, that is not really 'ingame', but i doubt a desktop gffx 5600 will get a 3dmark2001se score of '20000' and in 3dmark2003 '5000' (and that is only counting the '50%' of "meaning 50% to 70%")

> just checked tomshardware.com:
*gffx 5600ultra (350core/700mem, on athlon xp2700+)
3dmark2001se=11506
3dmark2003=2908

not really a "50% to 70%" performance drop ... they seem to perform just about the same (but again, this is not 'in a real game')

[grafixmonkey]

Do those translate linearly to framerates though? I admit I haven't seen benchmarks of the most recent "mobility" chips, but if they do have performance on par with desktop chips they'd be the first laptop chips I've ever seen that do.

I found some benchmarks:
http://www.tomshardware.com/mobile/20040203/radeon_9700-04.html#gaming_performance

The nVidia mobility cards lag the desktop by quite a bit, but the Mobility Radeon 9600 seems to be keeping up with the desktop Radeon 9600 quite well, even on pixel shader benchmarks. Very impressive.

[Orumph]

When your talking about real game play (not benchmarks).
I can play UT2003 on my...

Inspiron 8200
2Ghz
512M Ram
GF4 64M GO
5400 RPM 40G HD

I can play UT2003 at 1024x768 maxed out at lan parties and woop some butt.
Max Payne - Same
BF1942 - 1024x768 with very few options lowered
COD - about the same
plus many other games

I don't know if you meant 50% to 70% drop in general overall or just in DX2, but overall is a big time exaggeration.
In real game performance it's not that much of a drop.

Now the new Mobility cards are better, by comparison to thier desktop equiv's though, there really is about maybe at most a 20% drop in performance. And that's a high estimate from my experience.

For DX2, yeah, I wouldn't doubt a 50% to 70% drop. But that is more due to terrible game coding for PC graphics chips and the lack of options available to turn off/on.

If the card doesn't support Pixel Shaders then it ain't going to work period. I don't know which mobile cards support pixel shaders these days though. Mine does not. Oh yeah, I can play Tron 2.0 on my Laptop. I can also play Halo believe it or not. But the graphics colors are whacked and screwed beyound belief. Kinda like walking through the back drop of an Acid Rock concert while on Acid. Yes, I had flashbacks. It was kinda cool, it actualy made it a challenge before I got burnt out on the color scheme. It was more or less cell shaded. Nothing like XIII though.

[grafixmonkey]

Those games have some pretty low requirements though. I can play UT2003 on my Quadro4 750, which isn't even a gaming card, it's supposed to be bad at games. Max Payne played great on a Geforce 3. Heck, before I had the Quadro4 I had a Geforce 2 GTS, and I played UT2003 on THAT. I only had to turn some minor detail like ground cover off, and play at 800x600.

You have to take this in the context of Deus Ex Invisible War, which is the single most demanding game I have ever seen released, and requires not only the newest line of cards but the best of the newest lines of cards. If we were talking about UT2004, POP:Sands Of Time, or Halo, then no sweat!

Also keep in mind that the benchmarks you're saying don't matter much are recordings of the card's actual performance in multiple games. I don't pay much attention to 3DMark scores because it's usually long before any games come out that use what 3DMark tests. What I do pay attention to are framerates in modern games when all cards being tested run a certain prerecorded sequence in a series of games, using the same computer but only changing the graphics card. It's hard to say that scores in tests like that don't measure up to actual gameplay, if results are consistent throughout all the games they test.

That said, I saw benchmarks placing that new Radeon Mobility 9600 card very close to or sometimes slightly faster than the desktop 9600 card, and I think I hear lots of people saying they play DX:IW at acceptable speeds using the desktop 9600, so I think that laptop should be able to play it pretty well.

[chris51]

Just thought I'd get back to you all. Since I started this topic I took the plunge and bought DX2.

It worked absolutely fine at the default settings.

I went renegade at the end.

The only problem I found was when I had previously played a region 1 DVD in my drive. The game wouldn't work afterwards.

The 5 watt bulb over my head kicked in and I changed the settings back to Region 2 and everything was Hunky Dory.

Thanks everyone for your advice.

[grafixmonkey]

Glad it worked out! I guess that Radeon Mobility is the first laptop card I've seen that performs well in games.

So, did you like DX:IW? I was kind of disappointed myself. Maybe I missed an ending, because the three I tried all sucked.