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babifrence
01-12-2004, 10:10 AM
Hiya Peeps,

I wanted to provide a little insight to which some people dont understand as to who survived the scourge of the circle massacre courtesy of Vorador.

Ok, this is how I see it. For a start we dont know who the other guardians were (the dipictions of the stronghold may gives a clue though). At the time of that massacre I think Ariel was destined to take the role of the NEW balance guardian as only 3 members survived: -

Mobius
The Paladdin Malek
Mortanius

Now we know this because a) Mortanius punished Malek for failing the circle so we can determine that those 2 were both the ones that were not killed by Vorador. b) Mobius was holding Malek back so that Raziel was trapped. Besides, if Mobius captured Raziel out of the time stream hundreds of years after the slaughter and lived to tell the story we must know that he too survived.

I dont think Ariel was even born at the time. The day she was born however, her destiny was to uphold the pillar of balance just as it was for Kain. 6 of the guardians were killed so we can assume that Anarcrothe, Bane, Dejoule, Ariel, Nupraptor, and Azimuth were born soon after to replace them.

I think for some reason that the pillars sustained the guardians with the gift of extended life or perhaps near immortality provided they werent attacked in battle because humans are soo fragile. I mean if the massacre was 500yrs before BO, then think back to how Mobius snatched Raziel out of the time stream 30 yrs before BO to tell him the story..... That already imples that hes at least 500 years old, plus given the fact that hes an old and withered man adds a few years too :D.

We dont know who the guardians were during the massacre - only Vorador does and he probably doesnt even know their names. He killed them to instill fear in those who intended to pursue the Sarafan order. The Saranfan order was obviously to continue the scourge of the vampires.


PEACE OUT !!!

SanguinSarafim
01-13-2004, 04:57 PM
You're corect, probably the names of the dead guardians were known to those who lived in their time but alltogether they are quiet unimportant to us. What makes me curios is what happened to the gifts they recieved from the pillars, were they restored or were they passed on to the next guardians. Acording to lore they had to be restored, and if so by who(Malek, Mortanius or Moebius)

Umah Bloodomen
01-13-2004, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by SanguinSarafim
You're corect, probably the names of the dead guardians were known to those who lived in their time but alltogether they are quiet unimportant to us. What makes me curios is what happened to the gifts they recieved from the pillars, were they restored or were they passed on to the next guardians. Acording to lore they had to be restored, and if so by who(Malek, Mortanius or Moebius)

There was no restoration involved with the slain Guardians. You need to remember that the BO-era Guardians were corrupted by Nupraptor's madness, whereas the SR2-era Guardians were pure. (This was due to the romantic relationship between Nupraptor and Ariel and his grief over her death).

Also, Ariel and the other BO-era Guardians were born at roughly the same time as the slaughter. Obviously they were not "adopted" into The Circle as children. Moebius, Mortanius and Malek most likely set off to "adopt" them after a certain amount of time (most likely when they reached adolescence or adulthood). There is more insight into that matter, but it delves into the plot of Defiance, and it is my understanding that babifrence has yet to play the title. (I'm not sure if you have or haven't though, SanguinSarafim).

EDIT: I also feel that the term immortality, when applied to the Guardians, is a bit inaccurate. Longevity would be more appropriate. :)

babifrence
01-13-2004, 05:24 PM
Hiya Peeps,

@ SanguinSarafim: -

Originally posted by SanguinSarafim
You're corect, probably the names of the dead guardians were known to those who lived in their time but alltogether they are quiet unimportant to us. What makes me curios is what happened to the gifts they recieved from the pillars, were they restored or were they passed on to the next guardians. Acording to lore they had to be restored, and if so by who(Malek, Mortanius or Moebius)

What I believe is that magic is only there if it is usable. For example if I was born to fulfill my role as the mind guardian it may be possible for me to read peoples thoughts at any age but I can only use it if I will for it by accident/purpose. That may indicate to me that the land of Nosgoth and its pillars may have some connection to me. It probably wont come to me straight away and its likely that it may take some years to find out as with Kain. The pillars instill its power at the time of birth from person to person I dont think that magic is something you receive. It isnt a physical entity. Once a person is born the magic is immediately passed onto them, when a person then dies that magic is then passed onto the next person. Nothing is restored and nothing is returned in my opinion.

This actually brings an interesting point come to think of it. If guardians were born to replace a specific pillar that means it remains unprotected for a while. This is an unusual flaw within the pillars existance as the vampire guardians must have died out somehow during a massacre or something. Can you imagine a 4 yr old protecting the pillar of death ? The pillar is unprotected but not corrupted so there is a huge difference. Pillars choose their own guardians from birth as told by Janos Audron.....

What do you guys think ?


PEACE OUT !!!

Umah Bloodomen
01-13-2004, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by babifrence
Hiya Peeps,

What do you guys think ?

That you need to play Defiance.

babifrence
01-13-2004, 05:33 PM
Hiya Peeps,

Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen
That you need to play Defiance.

Thanks for the update :).


PEACE OUT !!!