who wants to see DX3 get made?[poll] [Archive]

NIFKIN

01-01-2004, 11:42 PM

god knows they would just screw it up. they couldn't even make a decent sequel, so if ion storm was put in charge we'd just get another steaming pile. if another company was put in charge we'd prolly lose anything that made the game feel like deus ex and it would be bent to their new ideas. i say stop before they could possibly make it any worst.

rk_cr

01-02-2004, 12:37 AM

I'm afraid that they'd take the game another step backwards.

I've got it - let's focus more on the basics and less on the system. This time, no biomods! They all just run passively in the background, all preinstalled and ready to go. Oh, and there's only one gun in the entire game, except for a secret version of that gun.

darm

01-02-2004, 05:58 AM

i guess they would programm it , that it would run on gameboy advance or even on cell phones, and that even a 3 year old can beat it.

games for the masses.

HOC

01-02-2004, 08:20 AM

maybe they'll sell a play-do kit, so ya can create your own sequel.

kingtiger

01-02-2004, 09:18 PM

http://www.ttlg.com/shownews.asp?id=834

Big News!
Computer and Video Games is reporting that Ion Storm director Warren Spector has confirmed that the second sequel to Deus Ex is in the preliminary stages!
Earlier today, during a discussion about Deus Ex: Invisible War and the future of the Deus Ex universe at a press event in south London, Ion Storm chief Warren Spector confirmed with us that preliminary work on Deus Ex 3 has already begun
Wow, that's pretty amazing, they must be expecting Invisble War to shift in serious numbers, which I'm sure it will!
Discuss in our forums!

Colonel Dent

01-03-2004, 08:52 AM

Am I the only one who thinks this game was amazing? I mean seriously, stop sitting on your high-and-mighty I'm a PC gamer throne, accept the ammo and skill changes, and play the game with an open mind. Face it, the story is spectacular, the gameplay is fun no matter how you play it, and the amount of choice is awesome. I know every one is entitled to their own opinion, but stop bashing the game like it's Britney's Dance Beat and instead make constructive comments.

Colonel Dent

01-03-2004, 08:54 AM

If you don't like it, say things that you'd like to see inputted to make it better.

DrugSummit

01-03-2004, 09:24 AM

You know it doesn't have to be a sequel or prequel. They can damn well do just about anything. Forget invisible war, it could be a continuation w/out IW ever existing. It could be before the collapse. It could be between it. It could be about the Illuminati and Page and what led to the production of the Virus.

It could be an 8 bit Game boy advance version.

It could even premier free on Gamespy Arcade, as a download. You could receive it in the mail like the AOL Discs... :D

likwidkool

01-03-2004, 05:17 PM

I personally liked IW and I would like to see a 3rd. My thing is I have never played the first. I have it sitting here on DVD(got it in pc gaming magazine) but no DVD drive to install it! Even though I know what will happen I am still going to give it a play through.

Also since I am mainly used to scripted FPS I welcomes the free range of this game. I was a little weirded out with the universal ammo, but I got used to it. Also depending on your weapons and biomods the game is fairly easy. By liberty island I had the defense droan along with the attack drone, and cleared out the whole board by standing in the corner and guiding my rockets to their destinations. Next run I am using a pistol, energy blade and limited biomods.

Orumph

01-04-2004, 06:12 AM

A 3rd installment I don't think will be any better. UNLESS they do it for PC ONLY. Had DX:IW been done for PC only, it would have been done right and probably would have been a thousand times better.

DX:IW was really hard to get into. I mean I tried to from day one. Then I would come complain about it and go back and try to get into it again. Hoping it would get better. I won't be playing it again. There are a ton of level loads which really detracts from being able to be immersed in the game.

There were a couple of points where I started to get into it and then what happens? I hit a level load. The game got annoyingly monotonous to say the least.

Another thing that was stupid. The bots in the seatle square (yeah, outside tarsus during the beginning of the game) say you are in violation for messing with them. I messed with them for about 20 minutes trying to piss them off. Whacked them with a night stick did everything i could to get them to turn red, only a gun shot turned them red. Now, why would a bot tell me I was going to be in trouble for blocking it's path and bumping into it and then not do anything? Lame!

This game had awesome potential till they killed it with X-Box.
It's a real shame T3 will follow this path.

Just my 2 cents.

Kerghan

01-04-2004, 07:23 AM

It will be a cold day in hell when they make a PC only game. However, if they make it for the PC first and then change the controls/interface/level load boundaries around for a console, it will come out MUCH better. That is, assuming they don't dumb it down on the PC so they don't have to change much on the console. Bottom line, less complex = more lameness.

Orumph

01-04-2004, 08:09 AM

I do agree with the PC to console port.
But the point for them is, less development=more money.
Let's figure out how to do it and keep selling beta junk to them till we get it right.

kris211

01-04-2004, 12:39 PM

id love to see DX3, but Ion Storm better get its act together and avoid the bugs, glitches, and overall technical crappiness. and concentrate on the PC VERSION, not the xbox

HOC

01-04-2004, 12:55 PM

Originally posted by Colonel Dent
Am I the only one who thinks this game was amazing? I mean seriously, stop sitting on your high-and-mighty I'm a PC gamer throne, accept the ammo and skill changes, and play the game with an open mind. Face it, the story is spectacular, the gameplay is fun no matter how you play it, and the amount of choice is awesome. I know every one is entitled to their own opinion, but stop bashing the game like it's Britney's Dance Beat and instead make constructive comments.

i'm pretty sure everyone, regardless of their overall opinion of dx:iw, played the game with an open mind.

and for quite a number of people, the game still was a flop. the storyline only progressed marginally in some areas, but was overall quite flimsy. universal ammo is retarded. no skills= no real depth. "choice" was lacking. physics were worse than those found in postal 2. and this so called "fun gameplay" can't possibly be found in a three second run into another load area.

congratulations ion storm, you created the phantom menace of video games.

Thanato

01-04-2004, 07:15 PM

Well, i've played through seatle... and i've only got a couple things bothering me...

1) i miss the way the old deus ex looked... like.. when i think of xbox shooter..bam thats what dx:iw looks like.
2) i hate the computer terminals now..and not being able to "hack" like you used to...and that kind of thing...
3) headshots...like wtf. In the original game, a headshot from behind would take a guy down... or even a couple shots when he notices you... now it takes sooooo many pistol shots...

Kazem

01-05-2004, 05:00 AM

It's not a matter of if its ONLY FOR PC. Look at splinter cell, great game on all systems. It's just how they make the game and take their time to perfect it.

Beid

01-05-2004, 04:57 PM

As long as it isn't another Deus Ex For Dummies, I'm all for it. I have no complaints about the storyline, it was fine for me, I just miss the play style of the first. If they can bring some of that back for the third, I'll be there day 1.

Then realise I can't play and buy another new video card day 2.

Kerghan

01-05-2004, 06:38 PM

The ironic thing is people who haven't played the first DX will be thinking "OMG THEY ADDED IN SO MUCH TO THIS SERIES LIKE SKILLS, SWIMMING, RECOIL ON THE GUNS, RELOADING, DIFFERENT AMMO TYPES, etc". But hey, this gives IS more motivation to un-dumbify the game, right?

hagatha

01-05-2004, 09:34 PM

I am assuming that "wortly" means worthy...:)

I would definitely not rush out and buy DE3 the way I rushed out and bought DE2.

If I were to hear that DE3 was more like the original game, and less like a console, I would definitely buy it. But I don't know that I could stand any more disappointment. If DE3 is just a rehash of this game, then no, I won't buy it.

The first game was SOOOOOOOOO good, and DEIW is just so darned average. And we really don't need another merely average game, do we?

In six months, I doubt that I will be replaying DEIW, unlike some other wonderful games I played this year, like Gothic 2, Nolf2 and Splinter Cell.

JcDentonMj12

01-05-2004, 09:43 PM

http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=30116

Devnull

01-05-2004, 11:07 PM

no, second one screwed things up enough,

doronbarak

01-06-2004, 10:27 AM

Hi all,

I own 2 PC's, PS2 and an XBox. I also own DX1, DX2 (for the XBox) and used to own DX1 for the PS2 as well.

DX1 for the PC was a godsend in a world of boring FPS's (in my opinion of course)

I was completely surprised when I saw how well DX1 for the PS2 actually was. It was as good on the PS2 as the first game was on the PC.

DX2 clearly demonstrates that the bad traits of being (probably) created on the XBox and then "converted" to the PC.

I would love to see a DX3, however, I would want to see it on all three platforms PC, PS2 and XBox. I would also love to have it made with all the good parts from the previous games:

1) Biomods are discardable and can be over-written.
2) Player character grows in skill and abilities (i.e. more biomod slots as the player advances in the game)
3) Weapon mods are stackable like in the first game (I don't see WHY a weapon can have ONLY 2 mods!)
4) Good idea with inventory stacks but gaining more inventory slots as the player advances in the game is really nice :)

So, as I've voted... I'd buy it if it was worthy.

Thanks for putting this pull online :)
Doron

downloadkid

01-09-2004, 04:04 PM

would that be the working version of DX2???????

dracflamloc

01-09-2004, 07:51 PM

Yea i'm sure you WOULD like to see a working version on dx3 on the ps2, but face it man, it's not going to happen. Hell if the XBOX can't run the thing over 35fps, Then the PS2 version will have to look horrible for it to get a decent performance.

doronbarak

01-09-2004, 07:56 PM

Has anyone given this matter any thoughts? Maybe the issue of Frames Per Seconds really doesn't bother people who think DX isn't a First Person Shooter???

Just so you know, I don't MIND lower frame-per-second because that's not what I look for in a game.

Also, keep in mind that a well-made game should let YOU make the choice whether you want better Frames-Per-Second or a smoother game, and not just dump you into your Desktop since you don't have PIXEL-SHADER or whatever feature the graphics card needs.

Games are about GAMEPLAY first and foremost, for anything else like the beauty of the graphics, we have reality ;)

zan

01-10-2004, 12:51 AM

Sure I'd like to see sequel to Deus Ex but WITH exp points this time, please. :>

Jock

01-10-2004, 12:11 PM

Deus Ex was god of the computer games, they need to make the games more like the first. It was a bigger game, larger maps, better NPC's (for the common everybody npc), better weapons, it was even hard (realistic on IW is a joke, i beat it first time no real problems), and mabe better maps. I think i just about found everything the first time through the game. But with Deus Ex, i am still finding things.

artimus_king

01-11-2004, 03:51 PM

DazedDeus

01-12-2004, 11:17 PM

I would love to see Deus Ex 3. I have enjoyed the stories Deus Ex and Deus Ex: Invisible War. While the sequel was not as good as the first one, it was still pretty good in its own right. I have loved these games so much that I still have both Deus Ex boxes in which my games were bought in. You have to admit the Deus Ex shipping boxes are quite nice. ;)

One thing that I would like to not see in the next sequel would be the repetitive load times. Make big maps with one big load so that I can do what I need to do without having to wait an absurd amount of time to finish a mission.

RebornSentinal

01-19-2004, 05:44 PM

After everybodys complaining I would be incredibally surprised if they didn't bring back the skills and stuff. I didn't think Invisible War was that bad but the original was much better. The only feature besides the obvious ones like the lighting and physics was the lack of recoil but thats only because I go crazy and end up shooting 10 feet above what I'm trying to kill. More biomods and factions would be nice.

deepcover96

01-19-2004, 11:07 PM

I just beat DX:IW tonight with all endings (that I know of). It's a good game, but nowhere as good as the first. I would rush home to play the original DX, stay up late playing it, have dreams about it at night, be tired at work and start the cycle over again after work. For IW, the feeling is gone. It was a pretty good game and maybe I set my expectations too high, but ultimately I was a bit disappointed. I think they compromised too many things to get this game to run on the Xbox. Yes, there was some cool additions like the dynamic lighting and the physics system; but gameplay comes before all of these things and the gameplay wasn't as stellar as the first. Anyway, will I buy DX3? Yes, because I'm still a fan of the series and it's creators.

I'm just hoping that Thief 3 is better than this. I hear that they are using the same engine, so we may be in for another disappointment.

dvross

01-20-2004, 02:37 PM

It would have to literally foam from the mouth of excited players for me to give it a second chance. They really jumped the shark when they made this. it's AWEFUL. A complete embarrasing, shameful slap in the face to the Original DX.

e2cmonkeyboy

01-20-2004, 09:45 PM

You can have any color - so long as its black.

DX3 - if eidos learns and doesn't want to become 3D0 in the next few years they will re-instate thier old game poritons.

Learn....

Halbermensch

01-21-2004, 05:08 AM

Interested for sure, but not really if we get another DX: IW, which I also from now on refuse to call Deus Ex 2 (it is unworthy).

Back to the roots.

Le`Sauveur`De`Ces`Dames

01-21-2004, 05:20 AM

Originally posted by e2cmonkeyboy
You can have any color - so long as its black.

I think it was Ford (or at least it was about Ford cars, a long time ago)

dvross

01-21-2004, 11:14 AM

Yes, it was Henry Ford... Referring to the Model T.

Calling a third installment DX2 would be a partial acknowledgement that this wasn't up to par and they won't do that. I am hoping they swallow their pride and make a REAL DX3 though. Once that takes advantage of a PC's power and does the original proud.

doronbarak

01-21-2004, 02:05 PM

Originally posted by dvross
I am hoping they swallow their pride and make a REAL DX3 though. Once that takes advantage of a PC's power and does the original proud.

How did the original require taking advantage of the PC Power? :)

Loki 01

01-21-2004, 06:53 PM

I posted a longer letter about the simultaneous PC / Xbox production, entitled "General Malaise", read it if you want to hear my longer two cents...

For the time being I believe the game should have been produced for PC first,then PATCHED, refined, and moved to console.

Not only would the PC gaming community have benefitted from better programming (higher fremarates, fewer bugs) but all of the play issues could have been addressed before the game was released on console, where we Xbox gamers don't have the luxury of a patch.

--Better living through vicarious questing--

dvross

01-23-2004, 10:29 PM

How did the original require taking advantage of the PC Power?

I'm actually in awe that you can't figure that one out by yourself. As it is patently obvious to even the most casual of observers - I'll let you think about that one for awhile. Maybe then you can post without having to pull your foot out of your mouth.

doronbarak

01-24-2004, 02:24 AM

Originally posted by dvross
I'm actually in awe that you can't figure that one out by yourself. As it is patently obvious to even the most casual of observers - I'll let you think about that one for awhile. Maybe then you can post without having to pull your foot out of your mouth.

Well Mr SmartiePants,

Being a programmer myself, having talked to people who know their way around 3D engines and having inspected the original DX, having played the PS2 version of it, and the DX2 on the XBox, I can only say this:

DX1 was and still is a masterpiece, what makes it a masterpiece is NOT the graphics/sound or any special effects. The fact that DX1 was a great game on the PS2 as well goes to show that the PC's power wasn't really such a big issue as people seem to make others think!

In fact, I'm quite sure that an XBox today could run DX1 without a problem.

Basically, don't brag about things you know nothing about.

Isotope

01-24-2004, 07:15 PM

dvross, I dont know if you intended to sound like that, but your reply wasn't nice at all. He just asked a question.

I would buy DX3 if it was made. I believe they still have the capacity to make a good game, and I believe if they can learn from past shortcomings as well.

Orumph

01-26-2004, 02:34 PM

I would only buy it if were as long and vast as the first and produced for PC first (if not only). Also done well enough where it was playable out of the box. Or atleast Adequate Options to make it playable without crashing or being sluggish. Or having to tweak it myself to get a fairly playable game.

Have more levels, HUGE levels with lots to do, and lots of enemies, and a more of an RPG. Not a dice type damage system either. Game play first, graphics second.

There is so much they could have done if they hadn't opted for Crap-Box.

Otherwise, I would say they should save thier money and time and not waste it on another IW. Which really is a terrible game (in terms of being a game, other than certain parts that are ok, they don't make up for what this should have been and is not due to the X-Box, and you all know it, your just in denial)

Defending DX:IW as much as a lot of you do really is a bad thing. Tech problems aside, the game lacks so much it's not funny. You really have to be blind to not see all the problems with this game in general. Defending it will only produce more of the same.

Lets put it this way....

The people say, "WOW, this is a great game. Man I love this game. WOW I just can't get enough of this game. Yeah, it crashes. Doesn't have great frame rate, but man I love this game".

Dev House, "Hey they love the game. Well, we'll give them a little patch to help a little, but lets not waste too much time on it. Remember, simplify, simplify, simplify. Dual Platform, save money, make money."

Future = More of the same

Quit being so blind. The game may look pretty and have some original content. Overall, this game simply sucks.

doronbarak

01-26-2004, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by Orumph
There is so much they could have done if they hadn't opted for Crap-Box.

I've read what you said, but, I beg to differ. I do not think DX2 sucks because of being on the XBox, and if you had played DX1 on the PS2, I think you'd agree with me.

Saying a game sucks because of a platform is just silly. You said it yourself, gameplay before graphics, well, the PS2 version of DX1 had all the gameplay features of DX1 and did it on the PC. Yes, console memory is limited, yes, the graphics can't be as good as the PC cause a TV set is usually only 640 x 512, but we all agreed already that these factors are secondary to gameplay, right? :)

I don't see why a game can't be produced multiplatform and still do a good job, Ion Storm did it once before with DX1 on PC and PS2, telling them that DX2 sucks because they chose to use XBox isn't helping anyone, and it is just not true.

If DX2 sucks (and honestly, I like it, even if its not as good as DX1) then it sucks because of the GAMEPLAY, and not because it was done on an XBox.

HOC

01-27-2004, 01:39 AM

Originally posted by doronbarak
I've read what you said, but, I beg to differ. I do not think DX2 sucks because of being on the XBox, and if you had played DX1 on the PS2, I think you'd agree with me.

Saying a game sucks because of a platform is just silly. You said it yourself, gameplay before graphics, well, the PS2 version of DX1 had all the gameplay features of DX1 and did it on the PC. Yes, console memory is limited, yes, the graphics can't be as good as the PC cause a TV set is usually only 640 x 512, but we all agreed already that these factors are secondary to gameplay, right? :)

I don't see why a game can't be produced multiplatform and still do a good job, Ion Storm did it once before with DX1 on PC and PS2, telling them that DX2 sucks because they chose to use XBox isn't helping anyone, and it is just not true.

If DX2 sucks (and honestly, I like it, even if its not as good as DX1) then it sucks because of the GAMEPLAY, and not because it was done on an XBox.

i think we can all agree that the game blows because both versions were developed at the same time. and unlike dx1, dx:iw ended up shafting one system cause of the other's limitations. while dx was created for one system, then ported.

so yeah, to a degree oorumph is right. if they didn't gun for the xbox version, we could've gotten a great sequel. but as it stands now, a buggy p.o.s. that probably isn't even good enough to be warez'd was released.

Orumph

01-27-2004, 05:23 AM

HOC, exactly.

That's exactly what I said. X-Box killed it. Yes, it is cause of the platform. If it had been produced for PC first LIKE DX1, then it probably would not be so bad (bug-wise). But on top of all the bugs and tech problems, the game still lacks a ton of stuff. Pretty graphics and little original content do not make a game great. This game lacks so much it's not funny. Which makes a terrible game.

And that's my point, some people just blindly follow. It's a shame.
I did say however before that a Console Port can be good. Halo really is a good game for a console port. Not a great game, but good. And atleast it's playable out of the box without needing a patch. It has its share of problems, true. And Halo itself could be a ton better. But for what it is, it smokes IW by 1000 miles or more.

Pretty graphics and little original content do not make a game great. IW is not even a good game.

P.S. ditto to the warez comment. Which says so much it's not funny. If the warez community won't waste thier time on it,, it must suck really bad.