No Need To Tweak

[picuisme]

This is the way I look at it. I have a brand new Falcon Northwest 3.2Ghz computer with 1Ghz RAM, an Audigy 2 ZS soundcard, and a GeForce 5950 overclocked to get me 2001SE scores of well over 18,000. I am getting framerates of 6-12 with all settings LOW and 1600x1200. There has to be 300 posts in the technical forum on how you need to tweak your system to get this game to run with playable (>20FPS) framerates. Did it ever occur to anyone that we really don't need to do this and there is a remote possibility that it is a flaw with the game and NOT our systems? I run Call of Duty, IL-2 Sturmovic, Raven Sheild, Unreal II, Vietcong, and America's Army full maxed WITH 4x antialiasing and anistrophic filtering on 1600x1200 without ANY framerate drops below 20. I cannot believe that people are entertaining "tweaking" their systems to get this software to function without questioning the quality of the software itself. I would appreciate a reply from an Eidos reprsentative regarding this issue. Any comments?

[Eleazar]

You are a truly ignorant man. You have no clue on what you speak about. And why the heck did you buy a Falcon Northwest System. You must like paying 1000 dollars extra on a system you could have done yourself and saved the money. Do you even know what a tweak is? The reason why the game runs so poorly is because of the software. In your post you say that no one knows this. That we actually think it is a problem with our systems. That we don't know DXIW right now is flawed. WOW, thank you for that insight. What would I do without you? I can't believe it you figured it all out. Now I can feel good it wasn't my system, man that had me going there. I just didn't know. Please, think about what your saying before you say it. Right now you look like a big fool. The reason why we tweak is not because we don't know, or because there is a problem with our systems. It is because it improves performance in ALL GAMES. Yes it would improve performance in Call of Duty, IL-2 Sturmovic, Raven Sheild, Unreal II, Vietcong, and America's Army. Also it is because there are people that strive to get the most out of their systems. They are the same people that spend hours at a time to tweak and add new parts to their car. This is why we tweak. Not because we are as ignorant as you are and we think there is a problem with our systems. Heck, that isn't an even logical answer to the problem. Why the heck would someone think that. Please use common sense when posting

[Dunkerque]

Give the guy a break. I agree with you. If you spend time trying to tweak a 3.0Ghz then you are utterly crazy and/or stupid. He shouldn't have to tweak a system ten times the recommended system in order to play a game.

When I ship a software to a client, I run tests on many machines even more if it's some kind of port (YES ports aren't only for games ...). Seems like they didn't do that.

So well, Im basically in the same situation. Even my new laptop should handle this game fine. But right now, on my 3 computers at home (2.5 Ghz, Centrino 1.5 Tecra S1, 1.333 Ghz AMD) the one that handles it the best is the 1.333 ... with a freaking GF3 Ti 200 ...

Somethings wrong and it ain't my systems and yes I've done many changes that were proposed and didn't help me much on my 2.5 Ghz or Laptop. BTW, my Laptop plays Call of Duty all out max with over 80 frames per second 4x AA in 1024x768.

[DXman]

Originally posted by picuisme
This is the way I look at it. I have a brand new Falcon Northwest 3.2Ghz computer with 1Ghz RAM, an Audigy 2 ZS soundcard, and a GeForce 5950


Oh boy, i custom build my machine with a pentium 4 2.0ghz, 1gig of DDR ram, audigy gamer sound card, and a radeon 9600 pro 128mb. im playing the game with 30+ fps with 800x600 (everything is on high, bloom off, vsync off). on 1024x768 and same settings, i get between 20-30 fps. either your lying about your specs or there is something definitely wrong with your comp. the only problem i get from DX2 are occasional crashes to the desktop, but they rarely occur. besides that, DX2 runs above average on my pc.

[thegrommit]

1600x1200? With AA and AF? Are you insane? No recent game can run smoothly at that resolution. None of the other games you listed have as advanced a lighting system as DX2 - the main cause of the performance problems people seem to be having (other than those who have MX cards :p ).

[thegrommit]

Originally posted by Dunkerque


Somethings wrong and it ain't my systems and yes I've done many changes that were proposed and didn't help me much on my 2.5 Ghz or Laptop. BTW, my Laptop plays Call of Duty all out max with over 80 frames per second 4x AA in 1024x768.

Doesn't say much - CoD is based off the Quake3 engine. Relatively low poly and unsophisticated lighting engine thats three years old.

[lucabrasi]

I'm no computer wiz... but to throw my 2 cents in, I am having no problems what so ever running this game. I do however know that by shutting off the eye candy in winxp makes a difference when you play games like this one which seems to be a graphics hog. Most of the people who post here have machines much better than mine, but still have problems My specs:
Sony VAIO
1.8 P4
1 GIG DDR RAM
GEForce FX5200 128
I don't know about what kind of frame rate I'm getting because I really don't care. The game runs smooth as silk with no stuttering at 800X600, bloom on or off, and 2x multi-sampling vsync on.

[Joxer1]

What eye candy? Where do I go to turn it off?

I'm new to XP (I installed it because DXIW would not even run in Windows 98).

[PrimePaladin]

rightclick on "my computer"
choose "properties"
choose the "advanced" tab
click the"Settings" button in the "performance" section
choose "Adjust for Best Performance"
You can also cosumize it by choosing "costom"...

Hope it helps

[Eleazar]

That is an awesome tweak. I have 768 ram, and it still helps. I always do that. Definetely less loading time on everything. I should add that to the tweak guide, but I am afraid some people would not find it relevant.

[PrimePaladin]

I'm a sucker for fancy windows, so I left it on the "full glory" mode.
But it does speed up windows significantly if you turn all the fancy things off..

[Papers]

Originally posted by PrimePaladin
rightclick on "my computer"
choose "properties"
choose the "advanced" tab
click the"Settings" button in the "performance" section
choose "Adjust for Best Performance"
You can also cosumize it by choosing "costom"...

Hope it helps

Hang on... does this actually effect performance in games?

I actually really like all of XP's flashy stuff, I *hate* the old windows look.

[PrimePaladin]

not really, as soon as DX kicks in, it should make no difference.
Except maybe for some extra ram usage.

It only has some effect if you have an old(er) PC, which I'm guessing noone here has, or else you won't reach the minimum game specs...

[Soundboy]

Eleazar, You actually look like the fool in my eyes for coming down so hard on this guy. lighten up a bit man. He didn't know, and was trying to help. With that system, there is no way he should have to tweak anything. For what, a few more fps in games (besides dx:iw I mean). Does it make you feel better to belittle someone like that? Not cool.

[Eleazar]

you are of course right. I apologize. I was a big jerk

[Joxer1]

Originally posted by PrimePaladin
rightclick on "my computer"
choose "properties"
choose the "advanced" tab
click the"Settings" button in the "performance" section
choose "Adjust for Best Performance"
You can also cosumize it by choosing "costom"...

Hope it helps
HOLY SMOKERONIES.
My system now looks like Windows 98! :eek:

But Deus Ex runs much faster now :D

[Soundboy]

Very big of you to apologize Eleazar. Too often you can see people get into a "my system is better than your system", or "I have a better job in computers than you do" argument over posts like mine. I appreciate your maturity, and I am sure others do as well.

[picuisme]

Eleazar,

I can understand that you thought I was criticizing you for entertaining the need to tweak. My previous system was a P4 1.5 with a GeForce 4600. I spent hours tweaking that system to get my favorite games to play well. My point was that if it didn't run on a brand new, close to top of the line computer, then it's not your system, its the game. I am not ignorant, I am no fool, I have seen game manufacturers post convoluted solutions to issues which are most likely with the software itself. I apologize if I offended anyone with my post. I havent been able to read the boards lately. Been too busy with that anesthesia thing.