HunterS233
11-20-2003, 07:34 PM
Ok, I've got a lot of them, so I hope you guys have the patience to bear with me through this.
#1) Vorador
Why's he still dead at the end of the game? I thought it was said that Defiance was going to answer why he was alive in BO2, but it didn't seem to. Considering everything else came together so perfectly, I have to assume it was carefully plotted to be this way.
I was really happy when Raziel set out to Vorador's mansion, cause I figured that, with this game being set during the events of Blood Omen, Raziel would run into the Vampire Hunters that were coming to capture Vorador while he was making his own way through the mansion, and would have to kill them. That would explain why Vorador survived to lead the Vampire rebellion in BO2. But instead they came while he was gone, and succeeded in capturing him. Since the game ends after the conclusion of BO would occur, and neither Kain nor Raziel seemed to do anything that would result in his rescue, I have to assume he was still killed as we all remember from BO.
This means one of two things: Either in the next LoK, Kain will, for whatever reason, travel back in time and for some reason save him (maybe because he knows his younger self will need his help if he and Nosgoth are to survive), or there's still a gaping plothole in the series. I, personally, have an abundance of faith in Amy and the LoK crew, so I suspect the former.
EDIT: Ok, I just finished reading that thread where Amy herself answered a bunch of questions, and apparently the reason Vorador still seems to die is because they had to cut part of the game. That still means the question is unanswered though, and so my "one of two things" still applies. I mean, Turel was cut from the first game, and they picked it up later, so I imagine they'll do the same with this.
Side question here: Did anyone else notice a portrait in Vorador's Mansion of a woman with three tatoos on her face, one on her forehead running vertically, and two more on her cheeks going horizontally? Umah, perhaps? It would have to be before she became a Vampire, as every Vampire save Kain (and possibly Vorador) was annihilated during this time period. Perhaps she was someone Vorador had loved when he was still human, or, possibly, even when he was a Vampire, before he had developed his hatred for humans (maybe something that happened to her was even the cause of that hatred; killed for loving a Vampire, maybe?).
#2) Moebius
In the beginning of the game, he implied that he still dies in the manner we participated in in the original BO. Yet, the game ends after the events of BO, and he is still alive right up to the finale. I'm assuming this is because, as he stated to Kain, he serves one who holds power over life and death, so he did in fact die after Vorador's execution, and the Elder God's little "I call you" speech he made before Raziel was actually him bringing him back to life, not just telling him to get his frail old ass back there.
EDIT: Again, Amy answered this, and Moebius was indeed resurrected, but the rest of my question still applies...
But what I don't get is why the Elder God brought him back then if he was "of no further use" as he told Raziel after he devoured him (side question: would this give Raziel power over time? Ooh, hehe). Maybe he just really wanted that report, which seems kind of funny for one who claims to be all-knowing and ever-present. Maybe the Elder God needed Raziel to devour his soul? Or maybe the Elder God wanted to give Raziel the opportunity to sacrifice himself as he did, which would mean that our heroes walked into yet another trap *shiver*. Regardless of whatever the circumstances, it was still very cool and very, VERY satisfying to see Moebius die, even moreso than in BO, heh.
This raises two more questions though: First, why did Moebius not see this second death coming? Second, let's assume that time had not been altered, and we were still following the path where Raziel had killed Kain before William's tomb, and subsequently been devoured by the Reaver after slaughtering the Sarafan heroes. In this timeline, the elder Kain wouldn't have been around to kill him this second time. Does that mean Moebius was alive all those thousands of years after BO, manipulating things from behind the scenes?
#3) Altering Time
There was never a period of "that familiar distortion," in which two incarnations of the Soul Reaver are present in the same time and space, in Defiance, which, technically, should mean that time was not altered any further than the initial alterations in SR2. Yet throughout the game characters speak of Raziel having free will. Why is this? If it is because technically, he shouldn't exist any more, as he should have been devoured by the Reaver, then Kain should have free will too, because he should have died in William's Chapel long before. Regardless, I can't really abide by that explanation, since time should have reshuffled and flowed around the obstruction Raziel represents, and his entire fate should have been rewritten at the very moment he was devoured, which would mean he still has no free will, he's just being propelled down a different path. The only explanation I can really begin to accept is that perhaps, after time has been changed, the "first time through," everything is up for grabs, but that seems very unlikely. If anyone has any theories on this, they'd be much appreciated, because for me this was the single most confusing aspect of the game.
Oh, secondly, why was there no period of distortion at that moment when his soul was being devoured, when his soul hovered both inside and outside the blade, as there was in Soul Reaver 2? The only answer I could really think of for that is that perhaps the cutscene at that point was from Kain's point of view, and that maybe only Raziel feels the distortion, not anyone else (Kain didn't feel it in BO when he fought William).
Side note: Does anyone else think it would be insanely cool if Kain travelled through time to retrieve a second Soul Reaver, then went around with dual Soul Reavers, altering time at every moment and changing whatever he wished?
#4) Kain
Ok, he survived because he's the Scion of Balance, and for some reason that renders him unkillable. I'm a little iffy on that, but I'll buy it. Here's the interesting thing though: when he confronts Moebius, the staff doesn't work anymore because, according to Kain, the part of him that affected is no longer with him. So the staff only had an effect on Kain because he had a vampiric heart inside him. Does this mean that Kain is no longer a vampire himself? Has he evolved so far that he has become something greater?
I'm sure I have more questions that I can't think of at the moment, but for now that's it. I think that's enough, anyway, to keep everyone satisfied for a while, hehe. If I think of any more I'll be sure to post them after these have been discussed for a while. Enjoy!
Arn "Hunter" Opar
Hunting Grounds (http://www.instinct.nu/hunter)
#1) Vorador
Why's he still dead at the end of the game? I thought it was said that Defiance was going to answer why he was alive in BO2, but it didn't seem to. Considering everything else came together so perfectly, I have to assume it was carefully plotted to be this way.
I was really happy when Raziel set out to Vorador's mansion, cause I figured that, with this game being set during the events of Blood Omen, Raziel would run into the Vampire Hunters that were coming to capture Vorador while he was making his own way through the mansion, and would have to kill them. That would explain why Vorador survived to lead the Vampire rebellion in BO2. But instead they came while he was gone, and succeeded in capturing him. Since the game ends after the conclusion of BO would occur, and neither Kain nor Raziel seemed to do anything that would result in his rescue, I have to assume he was still killed as we all remember from BO.
This means one of two things: Either in the next LoK, Kain will, for whatever reason, travel back in time and for some reason save him (maybe because he knows his younger self will need his help if he and Nosgoth are to survive), or there's still a gaping plothole in the series. I, personally, have an abundance of faith in Amy and the LoK crew, so I suspect the former.
EDIT: Ok, I just finished reading that thread where Amy herself answered a bunch of questions, and apparently the reason Vorador still seems to die is because they had to cut part of the game. That still means the question is unanswered though, and so my "one of two things" still applies. I mean, Turel was cut from the first game, and they picked it up later, so I imagine they'll do the same with this.
Side question here: Did anyone else notice a portrait in Vorador's Mansion of a woman with three tatoos on her face, one on her forehead running vertically, and two more on her cheeks going horizontally? Umah, perhaps? It would have to be before she became a Vampire, as every Vampire save Kain (and possibly Vorador) was annihilated during this time period. Perhaps she was someone Vorador had loved when he was still human, or, possibly, even when he was a Vampire, before he had developed his hatred for humans (maybe something that happened to her was even the cause of that hatred; killed for loving a Vampire, maybe?).
#2) Moebius
In the beginning of the game, he implied that he still dies in the manner we participated in in the original BO. Yet, the game ends after the events of BO, and he is still alive right up to the finale. I'm assuming this is because, as he stated to Kain, he serves one who holds power over life and death, so he did in fact die after Vorador's execution, and the Elder God's little "I call you" speech he made before Raziel was actually him bringing him back to life, not just telling him to get his frail old ass back there.
EDIT: Again, Amy answered this, and Moebius was indeed resurrected, but the rest of my question still applies...
But what I don't get is why the Elder God brought him back then if he was "of no further use" as he told Raziel after he devoured him (side question: would this give Raziel power over time? Ooh, hehe). Maybe he just really wanted that report, which seems kind of funny for one who claims to be all-knowing and ever-present. Maybe the Elder God needed Raziel to devour his soul? Or maybe the Elder God wanted to give Raziel the opportunity to sacrifice himself as he did, which would mean that our heroes walked into yet another trap *shiver*. Regardless of whatever the circumstances, it was still very cool and very, VERY satisfying to see Moebius die, even moreso than in BO, heh.
This raises two more questions though: First, why did Moebius not see this second death coming? Second, let's assume that time had not been altered, and we were still following the path where Raziel had killed Kain before William's tomb, and subsequently been devoured by the Reaver after slaughtering the Sarafan heroes. In this timeline, the elder Kain wouldn't have been around to kill him this second time. Does that mean Moebius was alive all those thousands of years after BO, manipulating things from behind the scenes?
#3) Altering Time
There was never a period of "that familiar distortion," in which two incarnations of the Soul Reaver are present in the same time and space, in Defiance, which, technically, should mean that time was not altered any further than the initial alterations in SR2. Yet throughout the game characters speak of Raziel having free will. Why is this? If it is because technically, he shouldn't exist any more, as he should have been devoured by the Reaver, then Kain should have free will too, because he should have died in William's Chapel long before. Regardless, I can't really abide by that explanation, since time should have reshuffled and flowed around the obstruction Raziel represents, and his entire fate should have been rewritten at the very moment he was devoured, which would mean he still has no free will, he's just being propelled down a different path. The only explanation I can really begin to accept is that perhaps, after time has been changed, the "first time through," everything is up for grabs, but that seems very unlikely. If anyone has any theories on this, they'd be much appreciated, because for me this was the single most confusing aspect of the game.
Oh, secondly, why was there no period of distortion at that moment when his soul was being devoured, when his soul hovered both inside and outside the blade, as there was in Soul Reaver 2? The only answer I could really think of for that is that perhaps the cutscene at that point was from Kain's point of view, and that maybe only Raziel feels the distortion, not anyone else (Kain didn't feel it in BO when he fought William).
Side note: Does anyone else think it would be insanely cool if Kain travelled through time to retrieve a second Soul Reaver, then went around with dual Soul Reavers, altering time at every moment and changing whatever he wished?
#4) Kain
Ok, he survived because he's the Scion of Balance, and for some reason that renders him unkillable. I'm a little iffy on that, but I'll buy it. Here's the interesting thing though: when he confronts Moebius, the staff doesn't work anymore because, according to Kain, the part of him that affected is no longer with him. So the staff only had an effect on Kain because he had a vampiric heart inside him. Does this mean that Kain is no longer a vampire himself? Has he evolved so far that he has become something greater?
I'm sure I have more questions that I can't think of at the moment, but for now that's it. I think that's enough, anyway, to keep everyone satisfied for a while, hehe. If I think of any more I'll be sure to post them after these have been discussed for a while. Enjoy!
Arn "Hunter" Opar
Hunting Grounds (http://www.instinct.nu/hunter)