Glyphs

[Divine Soul]

Is Raziel going to get the glyphs that we worked so hard to obtain in SR back in Defiance? I was a bit annoyed that they didn't appear in SR2 but I guess the trade off was the elemental forges. I'm wondering if there are any ideas on this.

[Stephenls]

Originally posted by Divine Soul
Is Raziel going to get the glyphs that we worked so hard to obtain in SR back in Defiance? I was a bit annoyed that they didn't appear in SR2 but I guess the trade off was the elemental forges. I'm wondering if there are any ideas on this.

It looks like there won't be glyphs as they appeared in SR1. However, Raziel's Reaver upgrades are element-based, and we know that if the player charges the Reaver up fully during combat he can use a "reaver spell," basically a large area-effect elemental blast, by briefly holding the attack button and then releasing it. It's likely that many of these will duplicate the old glyph spells.

Thus, if Raziel dips his reaver into a Sunlight elemental font, he can use an area-effect sunlight spell that works the same as the old sunlight glyph did.

Or, at least, that's what we think at the moment. We don't know. It's likely that not all the old glyphs will be duplicated -- I doubt there'll be a sound reaver, for instance. And some reaver spells may not be for direct combat use -- maybe they'll have put in that "become invisible" power for the dark reaver. Or something like that.

[LOKFan]

The SR gylphs won't be returning but the Reaver special attacks are somewhat similar.

e.g. One of the Reaver special attacks creates a blast of fire around Raziel setting the enemies around him on fire.

[Divine Soul]

Ok, that all makes sence.

I do remember seeing Raz light up a bunch of enemies with what you are calling a reaver spell. I wasn't sure what he was doing there and the way the spell looked it seemed like he was using the fire glyph which made me wonder if they were bringing back the glyphs.

I'm sure the new stuff will be just as entertaining as the old. :)

[Vampmaster]

He didn't have the Fire Reaver in that trailer, but I guess they might not have gotten around to making the Fire Reavers graphic and so used the Material Reaver as a placeholder.

I think the SR1 glyphs might have been created by the hylden as they are more specifc to the weaknesses of vampires than the Reavers elements and the hylden were the ones who used "glyph energy". Maybe the Reason Raz can't use them in the past is because he's just tapping into an external power (the device from BO2, maybe) source that has not been activated at that time. Janos wasn't there to power it in the original time line, but the glyphs would need as much power as channelling that of the mass. So I reckon the glyphs were just another attempt to manipulate Raziel.

[Omega]

Originally posted by Vampmaster
I think the SR1 glyphs might have been created by the hylden as they are more specifc to the weaknesses of vampires than the Reavers elements ...

Interesting idea, but how would you explain the Shift Glyph?

[One_Winged_Angel]

Perhaps that's why....

Raziel has to find a new way to shift in Defiance, though that seems more related to the EG.

[Camus Audron]

the original reason you lost the SR glyphs, is because in SR2 you would get Pillar glyphs instead of Vamp weakness glyphs.

Now for who made the SR1 glyphs...I'd say Sarafan/moebious, because the glyph statues had more human related figures than Hylden reated figures.In SR the Sarafan were presented as holy priest, ridding nosgoth from the corruption of vampires...so it'd seem pretty likely to me that by gaining glyphs Raziel would "re-embrace the essence of
his humanity, and the nobility of his Sarafan heritage"

Another posibility would be mortanious,that he created them as a fail safe if Kain didnt choose sacrifice, but we'll have to see in defiance how likely that is.

It has been confirmed that there's no relation between glyph spells and glyph energy, even though your idea sounds very nice.

on top of that the mass was dead since BO2 if we follow the BO2 timeline.

Now the BO2 timeline is not even supposed to be SR's past, in the original timeline there probably wouldnt have been a janos to feed the mass in the first place(or hylden to take care of the device)so the glyph spells couldnt be powered by it, besides their energy source was the eldritch energy(which pretty much means eerie energy) and it worked whitout glyph connections and transformers(as the glyph energy would), instead it worked with energy that you would find at hard to reach places, and energy that dead Vampires would leave behind...it seems to me like it's just another form of spirit enrgy, like residual energy left behind by souls.