Alternate Universes

[TempySmurf]

It is possible that the timestreaming device is not a time traveling device itself but is a universe hopping device. So you have alternative universes that are the same except for one change. Which would bring a whole new dimension (ha) to the game itself. Although that would take the fun out of "Time Abhors a Paradox", or it could be a combination of both alternative universes and creating paradoxes.

Anyhow, just a thought.

[Umah Bloodomen]

Moebius has never given any indication to possessing an ability to transcend dimensions or universes via the Chronoplast. Should they decide to reintroduce the Lady Azimuth, (or perhaps another Guardian of Dimension) then perhaps I will be more inclined to delve a bit deeper into this subject.

There is a good indication that both Moebius and Azimuth were loyal followers of Hash'ak'gik (Azimuth coming later of course). Not only was she able to see into other planes of existence, but it was believed she could travel there as well. From BO1 it was clear she could bring things from other planes of existence (demons), but to believe Moebius could do it without her assistance is a bit far-fetched IMO.

Squiddy and Janos also don't give any indication of being able to transcend dimensions or universes via the Chronoplast either, and most certainly not on their own.

EDIT: Fixed a spelling error.

[Soul Reaver]

A pretty good one too...
There would be several thousands of millions and billions of worlds all having the same timeline only with one difference. Time is divided into pieces. A moment is a planet after the moment is gone it''s not the same planet and can't be reached with the previous code form he time streaming device. As the first world dies out a new one is to be created. The time streaming device enables one to jump from one planet to another. The device marks the correect time and then you are thrown to the world of that moment. if something happens in the past then all the worlds might change.

[Anubis_Orr]

Sliders anybody?

[TempySmurf]

I'm no science major, but I believe that according to einstein space time are interrelated and moebius could do this by himself. Or Godel's theories on time travel which correspond to the moebius.

Or even stranger that you have different dimensions all with alternative universes..

Or even more fun is where the "demon dimension" is the universe of nosgoth where the hylden have "won" and the "physical dimension" is the "normal" nosgoth.

I mean how do you explain the alternate timelines.. where did they go? Did they just no longer exist?

anyhow.. I'm just saying it's an interesting idea to play with not that it has anything to do with the way things are.



Okay I'm going to go a bit too far with the idea now but.. What if..

Kain and/or Raziel figure out a way to splice the different universes or timelines.. take the old decaying Kain's nosgoth timeline and that's where the hylden end up in the end .. because that's where the ancients send them.. kind of like way into the future but seperated because it would no longer exist because Kain and/or Raziel go back in time and stop that whole timeline from occuring.. it would still be there.. yet seperated.. and somehow squidy latches onto the pillars which are the "point" in time/space that keeps them seperated.. and he is in both universes at the same time..

So the whole plot never happens in one universe.. leaving everyone happy.. while the other universe is all dying and decaying.. and the demons are actually vampires from kain but are even more deformed than before.. al la Turel's spawn..

alright.. so lets go even farther and suggest that..

The pillars are the key that stops the "hylden" .. which could possible be turel spawn who perhaps teams up with janos (who's possibly squidy).. and they open up time/space in the past before the pillars exist.. to get back to the happy nosgoth.. where they find the ancients who they battle and then the ancients create the pillars with help from kain and raziel.. you still get the loop and the multiverse mutlidimensions all in one go..

oh and another side thought.. perhaps.. if squidy was in both dimensions at the same time.. he could be gathering the souls so turel could create new vampires aka hylden in the other universe.. for his big invasion in the past.. future.. whatever


okay i'm done.

[The Moebius Strip]

The pillars are the key that stops the "hylden" .. which could possible be turel spawn who perhaps teams up with janos (who's possibly squidy).. and they open up time/space in the past before the pillars exist.. to get back to the happy nosgoth.. where they find the ancients who they battle and then the ancients create the pillars with help from kain and raziel.. you still get the loop and the multiverse mutlidimensions all in one go..

What in god's name is that?



Anyway, there are a few theories on time-travel. They mainly differ in how they deal with paradoxes.
Let us deal with the "going back in time to kill one's parents" paradox.

Theory 1: As envisioned by Einstein and Newton, time is unidirectional and cannot be traversed backwards. No time-travel, no paradox.

Theory 2: As envisioned by most quantum physicits, Sliders, and Star Trek, time is like a branching tree. Each branch a new universe where things are different. These various universes are together a collective multiuniverse. Killing your parents would create a new branch where you were never born. However, you would still "belong" to the original branch where your parents live.
*The big question is if you went forward to the present, would you follow the new branch or the original branch.*

Theory 3: As envisioned by H.G. Wells, there is a fate or god that maintains temporal consistency. You wouldn't be able to kill your parents. "Fate" would stop the bullet, kill you, break the time-machine, resurrect your parents, etc. *Main problem with this theory is it implies a willful, sentient entity.*

Theory 4: As envisioned by various writers for ease of consistency, time-travel inherently pushes the traveler outside of normal space-time. Killing your parents would not affect your existence. Rather your existence would be the only remanent of a history that will never be.


From the LoK games, I believe that LoK employs a little of theory 3 and theory 4.

--TMS

[Vampmaster]

Theory 3 doesn't nessecarily imply sentience. (Maybe it did in H.G. Wells books.) If you killed your parents so that you prevented your birth, then you wouldn't exist to kill your parants which would mean that you didn't kill your parents so you would be born after all so you could kill your parents which means...

(Read the above sentence once and then repeat everything in it after the second "you" forever or until you get bored.)

[The Moebius Strip]

Vampmaster,

What you described is the paradox that each theory acts to prevent. That is the whole point of each theory, to prevent the paradox.

But in theory 3, the force would have to be sentient. It would have to KNOW that stopping the bullet will prevent a paradox; it would have to KNOW that killing the future you will prevent a paradox. Knowing implies awareness. Awareness is the definition of sentient.


--TMS