Question for PS2 Gamers.

[jso2897]

I am a PC gamer. Always have been. I have been briefly tempted to buy a PS2 from time to time - the idea of bugfree play and the great games exclusive to it have tempted me, But the same thing always stops me. The gawdawful, wretched, miserable, pathetic GRAPHICS. I honestly don't know how you stand it. But it seems to me that the real problem is more the TV set it ports thru than the hardware itself. So, my question is - surely there must be somebody out there who owns both a PS2 and a high def television. Does the HDTV do anything to resolve the horrible graphics? It seems logical to me that it might, but I would like to talk to someone with firsthand knowledge.

[Zoolander]

If your so worried about those "gawdawful, wretched, miserable, pathetic GRAPHICS" then you have a lot to learn about gaming. Graphics don't make the game and PS2 happens to have exceptionaly great graphics, if you have as you asked an HDTV. But again graphics only take you so far, XBox being a prime example.

[Rusty_DK]

I for one would like to see the "gawdawful, wretched, miserable, pathetic GRAPHICS" bit of an exageration I think. If you're talking about the jagged edges, then yes that maybe a problem, however i don't play a game and look at the jagged edges and comment on how 'crappy' the graphics are.

Other than the jagged edges I can't see anything wrong with the graphics on PS2, look at MGS2 and Silent Hill 3 those games look simply amazing. If those graphics don't do something for you then I don't know what will.

[Zoolander]

The edges in those games are so miniscual they aren't even worth mentioning. If you have HD or even a decent flat screen with your PS2 on s-video then well what can I say but simply amazing.

[midroth]

Hello, the "gawdawful, wretched, miserable, pathetic GRAPHICS" I've never seen. This could be more valid for PS1, not the PS2! Also the graphic of the old PS1 was proper. If you try Myth3/PS2 (for example) you'll notice that the graphic will remind you to a DVD! My PS2 is connected via SCART-cable (21 poles) to my 16:9 TV. A SCART (also called EURO-AV) cable is RGB able. And I'm happy!
How ever, like others mentioned a game is not depended just by the graphics, the concept has a lot do with it, too. And from my side I have to say: yes, a computer can make basicly "more" graphics with/for a game, just... if the g-card is able to do so, if the processor is fast enough, if the configuration of him ist correct, if you have all drivers, if no other apllication/game is replacing an importand driver, if you update from while to while, if the system don't crash...

A PS2 is plug'n'play and always ready for a travel ;) ! Without if.

[Mgardiner]

Ive seen more "gawdawful, wretched, miserable, pathetic GRAPHICS" on PC than I have on PS2...mind you I am a PC gamer. Bought my PS2 for TR alone..I hate playing on keyboard so much! lol

[jso2897]

So in other words, nobody has an answer to my question, but just want to argue with the premise of the question.
Let me rephrase the question.
As fantastic as the PS2 console is, and as cool and wise in the lore of gaming as those who play it are, I in my humble worthlessness, find the graphics not up to a set of expectations formed by playing on PC with accelerated graphics. Again:
Has any body played a PS2 (or any console, for that matter) on HDTV?
Did it make the graphics better?
If you have done this, or know about it, I'd be curious to know.
If you have not done this, or don't know about it, there's no real reason for you to respond to this thread.
No offense intended to anyone, and I meant no disrespect in asking the question.

[coyotekid]

Yes
It depends, set the picture to SOFT those edges will disappear, or just make it more dark, lower the contrast PS1 games look just right for me. PS2 games are just incredibly beautiful themselves EXCEPT for some FMVs.... just adjust your TV, doesn't matter what
Perhaps it looks best in a balck and white TV ;)

[Zoolander]

Originally posted by jso2897
So in other words, nobody has an answer to my question, but just want to argue with the premise of the question.
Let me rephrase the question.
As fantastic as the PS2 console is, and as cool and wise in the lore of gaming as those who play it are, I in my humble worthlessness, find the graphics not up to a set of expectations formed by playing on PC with accelerated graphics. Again:
Has any body played a PS2 (or any console, for that matter) on HDTV?
Did it make the graphics better?
If you have done this, or know about it, I'd be curious to know.
If you have not done this, or don't know about it, there's no real reason for you to respond to this thread.
No offense intended to anyone, and I meant no disrespect in asking the question.

Did you not read my posts? I already answered your question.

[jso2897]

I really hate to seem argumentative, Zoo, but that really doesn't answer my question - your rig may be really nice, but it's not a High Definition TV - and that is specifically what I'm asking about. Anyway, I should probablty take the question to a PS2 forum that deals with tech stuff. There's got to be some well-healed gamer who's had the opportunity to try it. I have seen a PS1 played thru a gadget that ran it to a 17" monitor instead of a TV, and it looked better than on a TV. I don't really need to know - it's just one of those dumb little curiosities - the more I can't find out, the more curious I get.

[jso2897]

Well, I went to a PS2 tech site, and got replys from several gamers who use HDTVs - and the answer was interesting. Apparently, newer games on PS2 do indeed look a great deal better - but games on PS1 (or PS1 games played on PS2) can actually look worse. One gamer theorized that this is because most of the old games are intended to generate only 340 lines of visual data on the screen, and the HDTV will attempt to multiply and then blend these lines to fill its larger(in terms of data) and denser screen, resulting in blurring and color diffusion. But one guy who has a really good, large, and undoubtably pricey HDTV said it looks as good as a PC display, but that he was only able to acheive this by using really high quality, top o' the line cables and hookups. Weird.

[Lucky]

I have played games on a real good Sony and thought that it looked great. You will more than likely be happy or at least satisfied with ps2.

[Zoolander]

Originally posted by jso2897
I really hate to seem argumentative, Zoo, but that really doesn't answer my question - your rig may be really nice, but it's not a High Definition TV - and that is specifically what I'm asking about. Anyway, I should probablty take the question to a PS2 forum that deals with tech stuff. There's got to be some well-healed gamer who's had the opportunity to try it. I have seen a PS1 played thru a gadget that ran it to a 17" monitor instead of a TV, and it looked better than on a TV. I don't really need to know - it's just one of those dumb little curiosities - the more I can't find out, the more curious I get.

I do have an HDTV, why do you say I don't? I said it looks great when connected. I didn't say it would look great when and if connected.

[jso2897]

Sorry Zoo - I didn't gather that from your post, but I ain't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer, if you know what I mean.
At any rate, this was all just idle curiosity on my part. I have no interest in actually getting a console of any kind. I don't game for the same reasons that a lot of people do - I'm not at all competitive, and mainly like it as an immersive fantasy experience. I don't care for really hard or challenging games, but rather those that create beautiful fantasy worlds. I care much more about graphics than speed or smooth gameplay. As for the compatibility issues that make PC gaming heck for those who just want to game, I positively enjoy tweedling around with my PCs and making things work against their will. It's my hobby.
And I have one other problem with the consoles I've tried ( all majors exept Xbox). I am a large man, with very big hands - and all the controllers Ive ever tried are impossibly cramped for me. I even use an oversized keyboard - it's much more comfortable for me. So all things considered, a console is just not in my immediate future.

[Lucky]

It sounded to me like you were considering getting one but oh well. :p

[Rengar]

Due to the resolution that you get on a PC, I doubt a console will ever match the clarity of a computer monitor. That's why I'm waiting for PC releases of Metal Gear Solid, and Blood Rayne.

...as for fantasy not being on a console....ever heard of Final Fantasy X or IX (even though IX can be emulated on the PC). Kindom Hearts? .hack? Xenogears? Breath of Fire. Suikoden series, Star Ocean series....

the list goes on and on. Not everything on a console is football or Mario, type of play.

[jso2897]

Quite right - there are plenty of great fantasy games for consoles, including the TR series - but that wasn't my point. What I meant was that superior graphics makes the fantasy more believable and real for me.

[Rusty_DK]

Originally posted by jso2897
superior graphics makes the fantasy more believable and real for me.
remind me what the point of this thread is again?

[jso2897]

Point? I have no point.:D

[Younglara_babe]

When you play a game with jagged edges like the origianal Tomb Raider don't role around alot. It will make you VERY dizzy. Trust me it happens all the time to me.:D