Sr2 & Bo2

[DMraider]

I played Sr2 again and the graphics are soooooooooo gooood!!!!

What game has better graphics??

[Omega One]

I voted SR2 has better graphics than BO2.

No offence of GlyphX/CD who have obviously done such a great job - I have seen better....

[FireSnake]

I think that SR2 has magnificent graphics.
Sure, there are ones much more fancier, but SR2 has both smooth and hi-res graphics. Besides - graphics don't count as much as smooth gameplay.
I don't want to buy each time a new monster computer in order to play a game.

*COUGHDOOMIII-THELEGACYCOUGH*

SR3 should stick with an improved (referring to that some of the bugs should be fixed - blue lines between the area were two levels meet; some textures) SR2's graphics engine.

- Matthew

[Lady Kreliana]

Originally posted by Omega One
I voted SR2 has better graphics than BO2.

No offence of GlyphX/CD who have obviously done such a great job - I have seen better....

Agreed.

[Hash'ak'gik]

How many topics do we need on this subject.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :o

[Lady Kreliana]

Too many! ;D

[Omega One]

Actually, after watching the BO2 movies on my PC... I have to change my vote slightly.

The actual FMV's (the intro, and ending) of BO2 are extremely great... but saying that, so is the intro FMV to SR2.

Can CD make the FMV's as FMV's and not predefined paths? I hate not being able to get everything from my PSx SR1 and PS2 SR2 disks ;)

[DMraider]

Was looking at some old posts. Well SR2 intro looks alot better than BO2 I think.

For example when u see Umah standing in the beginning, look at the background. What is that? :p

[Zulgbrtzchllha]

I don't really get why people make such a big deal about graphics. I still love to play old NES games because the gameplay's what matters to me. I have more fun with Blood Omen 2, so I like it more. Soul Reaver 2 was fun, but Blood Omen 2 was more fun for me.

[DMraider]

It`s about the whole package. Story, graphics, music, gameplay in 1. Those are the games where u think back of and play even when it`s very old.

Metal Gear Solid? Command & Conquer? Secret of Mana? Legacy of Kain?

What do these games have in common? They have the whole package.

But what was so fun about BO2 for you? I mean the story, music, graphically and arguable also combat was worse than SR2, agree? On top of that, you don`t go anywhere known and you walk around in the "meridian" (I never liked that name) full of semi modern stuff which doesn`t belong in nosgoth. But yea the game has something, sneaking around with Kain in the cities is fun but if it wasn`t Kain you`d played with, you would have thrown the game out of the window the 2nd day LOL. nah j/k.

[WraithStar]

I think that BO2 has better graphics, music, and combat without question. I don't really care for the SR2 music, BO2 just looks better to me, and the SR2 combat was so incredibly frustrating for me that I ran past most of the battles if I could. I hate respawning enemies. As far as story goes, the SR2 story is more moving, but the BO2 story actually has a sense of closure, so I like BO2 more in that area as well. I really enjoyed the reaver forges in SR2, though, so I'll say that SR2 has better puzzles than BO2 (I still like the BO2 ones, though). On top of that, I'd rather walk around a living "unknown" city than a deserted swamp. Even if Meridian hasn't appeared in any of the other games, it actually gives the feeling that Nosgoth is alive and has more people in it than the main characters and the generic carbon-copy vampire hunters. I really like how you can listen in on townspeople's conversations. BO2 is much more immersive and has a much better atmosphere. On a side note, I like the sci-fi stuff. I don't think that Nosgoth should remain stagnant. It should grow and evolve. It's only natural that the technology should become more sophisticated as the world develops.

[DMraider]

I think that BO2 has better graphics

The graphics are pretty horrible. How can u find it better than SR2 is complete bs, no matter how you look at it. First off the framerate is pretty bad at times. At the end when u see the industrial quarter exploding...horrible, have u ever seen a normal citizen from closeby when u just "charmed" it? It`s horrible. It looks like a puppet! I`m currently playing chapter 8 and when u look down on the water u can see that #1. The water is very unrealistic, #2 The rocks are placed independently in the water and the water reacts as if it isn`t even there LOOOOOOOOOL, plz take a look at that. Also... well I could go on for half an hour. Of course u have your own opinion and u can say u like the envoriment of BO2, but graphically clearly alot worse.


music

Eh the music doesn`t annoy you, but it doesn`t add anything either, bit boring perhaps. The boss theme sucks and I almost want to put the PS2 off out of boredom. Look at the boss theme of Raziel in Defiance. WAY better. Overland in SR2 is also very good! (play credits in SR2) And the music in the reaver forges and janos audrons retreat are really nice and keeps u going. (especially on a sunday)

and combat without question.

What was the problem with combat in SR2? It was cool to finish them off. Something BO2 doesn`t has. The blocking and dodging is improved and raziel is able to do a swift strike from a distance. Combat in SR2 is much more manouvrable than in BO2... U can win BO2 by just blocking and dodging all attacks and then use berserk when the rage bar is full. Sometimes I really need blood yes, but that`s because Kain dies very fast. I only get it when the enemies are "preparing for a red attack" and they`re invincible when they do that and I get hit - LAME. :mad: The dark gifts add some fun but overall the combat is average and we both know it.


I don't really care for the SR2 music, BO2 just looks better to me, and the SR2 combat was so incredibly frustrating for me that I ran past most of the battles if I could. I hate respawning enemies.

The enemies didn`t respawn. Yes only because most places u visit a couple of times. Then of course there are new enemies. The demons added a nice variation to it, so it was fine. And I still remember the first time I encountered the real sarafan. That was so cool! "And here at last.."
Or the talking demons u meet near the ending. Very, very cool.


As far as story goes, the SR2 story is more moving, but the BO2 story actually has a sense of closure, so I like BO2 more in that area as well. I really enjoyed the reaver forges in SR2, though, so I'll say that SR2 has better puzzles than BO2 (I still like the BO2 ones, though).

Why do we like LOK? We like it because of it`s amazing story that just keeps going. I also like open endings like SR1 and also SR2. You never want something good to be over...right? BO2 is more of a stand alone story and the story is small with rather weak characters.


On top of that, I'd rather walk around a living "unknown" city than a deserted swamp. Even if Meridian hasn't appeared in any of the other games, it actually gives the feeling that Nosgoth is alive and has more people in it than the main characters and the generic carbon-copy vampire hunters. I really like how you can listen in on townspeople's conversations.

PFFFFFFFF. "The taxes are high, Blabla" Yea it`s not too bad but it`s bs. Your right that it`s shows are more realistic world. But that`s what we don`t want to see. I don`t even want a realistic world. If I wanted that I just go outside :P. The world in BO1 less realistic but it had something. The "X factor" We`ve never seen such a world like it was in BO1. It was original, creative...BO2 adds nothing that we already know. Basically just another boring world. (I`m exxagarating a bit here)

In BO1 it was way more fun how everything was so evil. How do I put it...Everything was business. Instead of "Hi Moebius, how are you? Where can I find Malek?" It was: "Where can I find Malek and how I defeat him!?"
The whole atmosphere was so evil. Normal people walking around in Avernus, a city full of demons and almost everything on fire, yet they just kept walking there. Even housewifes would attack Kain! Remember how many people, even in townes are just chained to the wall screaming: "Please, help me kind sir" Then add the great, evil music to it. Whoa, perfect! Kain or anyone in BO1 would never talk about feelings or stuff like "Are you hurt", "I need help". Now THAT, was that what made Nosgoth different.

Kain in BO2 saying:"Where can I find the Sarafan Lord, I have him burried within the hour" That...That was so wrong. The real Kain we know never would say something like this... He was arrogant, but not so incredibly foolish like that. Also the choice of words doesn`t fit in at all...


BO2 is much more immersive and has a much better atmosphere. On a side note, I like the sci-fi stuff. I don't think that Nosgoth should remain stagnant. It should grow and evolve. It's only natural that the technology should become more sophisticated as the world develops.

Walking around in Nosgoth is way more fun when it`s the same as around year 1000 or something. Lol do you want to see cars in BO3? Not that I hated the elevators that much, I think we both agree we like it more without the modern stuff (It`s not "sci fi". Star Trek = sci fi)

[WraithStar]

I played BO2 on PC. The graphics were spectacular and I didn't experience any lagging or locking. I have the PC version of SR2 as well, and the graphics just didn't look as good. I like the BO2 music a lot. It's my favorite, along with the combat music from SR1. I don't like Janos' Retreat music, but the Overland Combat music is good:) You pretty much made my point with your description of how BO1 was the best because it had so many people in it and there was such attention to detail. BO2 follows suit a lot better than SR2. I want to see Nosgoth advance according to its own rules instead of stagnating. The technology in Nosgoth should build upon itself and progress into something we'd never see in the real world. And I know that LoK is fantasy, not science fiction. I use the term "sci fi" to apply to things that try to look like science fiction but aren't. Maybe it was a poor choice of words on my part, but believe me, I know LoK is fantasy :p (there was another thread where I was arguing that LoK is not science fiction awhile ago)

[DMraider]

It should improve a little but in BO2 some things have improved and other didn`t.

I also like to have some sort of world (like BO1) but BO2 just is alot different than the Nosgoth we know.

[WraithStar]

I thought BO2 was a fair extrapolation of how far the world could develop in 600 years. (I think the number is 600, in any case I mean from the time of BO1). I agree that some areas of development were neglected. Maybe in a future game, we'll see a much more advanced Nosgoth which will look nothing like our world (so I'm not saying that Nosgothians should invent space ships :p). It's true that BO2 has different locations than the other games. Keep in mind, though, that BO1, SR2, and Defiance take place in roughly the same time period, while the Pillars are still standing and the humans are occupied by fighting vampires, so the locations and technology are the same. BO2 and SR1 take place hundreds of years after the Pillars have been destroyed, so I would expect for things to change. By the time of BO2, Nosgoth has developed industrial cities. By the time of SR1, Nosgoth will have decayed into a wasteland. Perhaps in the next game, we will see Nosgoth after it has been rebuilt.

[DMraider]

SR1 also had some technology but I guess they didn`t had the chance to improve alot hehe :)

I also think BO2 is too small. It feels like Kain beats the Sarafan Lord within a week. It should have taken 2 games imo, or 1 very big one.

[fneh]

SR2 has some pretty impressive areas. BO2 was pretty average really. SR2 impresses me because of the little things like vermin running about. Not many games pay that much attention to detail and it really brings the game to life.

Defiance is without a doubt the most impressive graphically. Defiance can hold its own against most games. The graphics were superb (shame the camera wasn't eh?)

[WraithStar]

I think SR2 and BO2 were both too short. I would have loved it if they had both been much longer :D BO2 has little critters running around, too. There are rats and cats in the cities. I also seem to remember swarms of bugs in the canyons. Defiance does have the best graphics:) I just wish it didn't give me the feeling that Nosgoth is a tiny, empty little world. Anyhow, the new Tomb Raider game is using the Defiance engine and it sounds like they've completely fixed the camera issues, so I figure that maybe the production of the next LoK game will be much quicker once they actually start since they'll have the engine all ready to go from making Legend:)

[DMraider]

Hm so the team which made Defiance, worked on Tomb raider afterwards?

If so then maybe they start on LOK after.

SR2 and BO2 had 2 different teams right? But did they work together on Defiance or was it the SR2 team which made Defiance too?

You know I think the Defiance Camera is great, can`t see how they wanted to improve it. But still I like the SR2 camera.

SR2 camera and a free world gives u a sense of freedom.

But Wraitstar do u still think BO2 looks better? The explosions, cutscenes where bosses die (clumsy), the rocks and water in chapter 8, "the puppet people". framerate etc.

Also how long has it been since u played SR2?

The world in Defiance and SR2 were empty yea. Not even people walking around in the village in SR2. And Voradors Mansion and the vampire Citadel with Kain dissapointed me a little how deserted and linear amounts of enemies it had.

[WraithStar]

I played SR2 a few months ago. Like I said, I have the PC versions of both games and BO2 did not give me *any* problems with low frame rate, clumsy animations, or anything else you had the misfortune to experience. So I still think that BO2 looks better than SR2 since I didn't have the same problems with it that you did. In fact, SR2 looked like complete garbage until I played in the registry to disable that v-shader (or whatever it was called). So...much...blue...:p

[DMraider]

Don`t u feel a slight framerate decrease sometimes?

The other things I pointed out are facts. I just want to know what do u have to say about that. I try to look for some reviews ;)

IGN about graphics: "Meridian, complete with a tightly packed labyrinth of buildings will be appreciated, but everything else lacks the definition and brilliance of today's other superior games, Soul Reaver 2 included."


Another review perfectly puts into words how I feel about the Bo2 sound. I agree completely.

"I don't seem to remember any kind of sound effect or music part whatsoever, neither good nor bad. This is due mostly to the terribly average audio present in this game; which is lifeless and empty, yet in a manner, not bad. The music barely cuts the limit between being dull and being interesting, ending on a plainly mediocre scale. "

[WraithStar]

I have heard that the PS2 version of BO2 is very buggy, but like I've been saying, I have the PC version and it works fine on my computer. I don't care what reviewers say. It's a matter of personal opinion and just because someone "official" says something subjective, that doesn't make it true. I enjoyed all of the BO2 levels, not just Meridian. In SR2, however, I found the levels to be extremely boring and tedious, except for the forges and Janos' Retreat. Unfortunately, those good bits don't quite make up for running around Nosgoth wondering where the hell I'm supposed to go next and having the vampire hunters I killed a few minutes ago crop up again to annoy me. I don't remember sound effects or music from *any* game I've played. I have all of the music from the www.lokmusic.com site, and I like the BO2 music much better than the SR2 music.

[DMraider]

I never really encountered bugs in any LOK game. I just found the graphics just average and my PS2 is working at a 100% (makes a sound), sometimes framerate drops a little (Not enough that it bothers you)

I find the SR2 music very cool.

- Combat Overland (play SR2 credits!)
- Ariel`s Lament (It`s good.)
- Sarafans stronghold. Sometimes a bit boring but @ the end the bit dramatic sound really adds something.

- The elder god. This one I found a bit less. Not that cool.

All the other forges, janos audrons retreat music I found really good. It really added something that kept u going. It felt "interesting" and made it feel as if the forges and castles were endlessly big :)

BO2 music is fine, but doesn`t add anything really. Not any music that was like "wow Cool". The music was unfamiliar.

[WraithStar]

I have to say, the Wharves music in BO2 is very good. I actually noticed it when I played BO2 the second time (after I had already heard all of the music separately from lokmusic). Also, something about knives scraping against each other in the Device music just sends shivers down my spine :D. Anyhow, I did like SR2 over all, I'm just saying that my frustrations with certain parts of it soured the experience enough that I like BO2 more (I enjoyed parts of BO2 as much as the best parts of SR2, but BO2 gave me a lot less problems). I was thinking back, and I remembered that BO2 crashed to the desktop 3 or 4 times in about 30-40 hours of playing (counting both times I played it). The only bad one was when it crashed near the end of fighting Sebastian, so I had to fight that bugger again. SR2 gave me problems with the v shader. Once I fixed that, the game crashed once and actually locked a few times within the course of the 12 or so hours it took to win the game, and those locks occurred in places where I was pretty far from the last damned "save shrine" so I had to repeat a lot of the "exploration" which consisted of running around yelling "where am I?" (I have a tendency to do things unexpected by the game programmers, and I actually got trapped near EG because I managed to get into a place that you needed the air reaver to get out of, but I didn't have the air reaver yet). Anyhow, both games were good. I just found BO2 to be much less frustrating over all, and to be marginally better in the areas that are important to me.

[DMraider]

I am now in the wharves, the music is fine, I agree.