more Batman movies post Dark Knight Rises

[Zur-en-ah]

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/2011/03/29/justice-league-the-movie-warner-chief-sets-sights-on-team-up-film-and-reinventing-batman/?dlvrit=63378

not too happy about this... seems like all Hollywood can do these days is "hit the re-set button" when it comes to ideas (and especially franchises)

moreover, this is pretty insulting to Nolan and Batman in general ... and just because Marvel have done well linking their movies (re The Avengers)

if they're gonna rush a Justice League movie then I fear that their portrayal of Batman is gonna come off pretty badly

what does everyone else think?

[JackWinz]

At first I liked the idea.. then I remembered Thor.. Unless Chris Stays involved as a producer, and maybe a writer, it could really suck.

Now, if it's a reboot, I just hope Snyder or someone will get the part of director.
Oh, and let Kevin Smith write it.. :P

Or better yet, just let JJ. Abrams do his Batman Beyond.

[Old_BenKenobi]

I don't know if it means they're gonna go with a Batman completely different than Nolan's or if they're gonna redo his origin again. If they're doing the origin again they're fools. If they're changing Batman up then I'm all for it.

[Scarecrow007]

I am starting to think that this film is a bad idea since I saw the reviews on Sucker Punch.

[Drazar]

not too happy about this... seems like all Hollywood can do these days is "hit the re-set button" when it comes to ideas (and especially franchises)

Yeah the constant reboots can be annoyning, but they can make money so yeah go figure.

moreover, this is pretty insulting to Nolan and Batman in general

I don't know really, they're letting Nolan do his movie and even the ending is such a secret it's not in the script or anything. Now Aint it Cool News is claiming that Nolan will be part of the post-Nolan movie franchise with his wife in the backseat while letting someone new take over, but i hardly see this as a necessary thing. I mean yeah Michael Uslan is gonna stick around for sure, he's always been there and isn't slowing down as a Batman movie producer.

and just because Marvel have done well linking their movies (re The Avengers)

if they're gonna rush a Justice League movie then I fear that their portrayal of Batman is gonna come off pretty badly


See i don't know should they follow this line when we can't even be sure this is a profitable business model to follow, not to mention how is the story going to play out and how much of it will be cut or changed to make it work for the general audience and/or rush it. JLA's iconic status comes from the big 7 which includes Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter and Aquaman. Avengers works on a totally different beast since the Avengers line started with B-C-D Lister characters forming up and with only becoming a major succesful franchise with Mark Millar's Ultimates and then when Brian Michael Bendis took over the mainstream Avengers franchise alongside Mark Millar's top selling Civil War event.

Avengers is also much easier to write considering they're goverment hirelings more or less via SHIELD. You got Nick Fury assembling this team that seems to compose of Captain America, Iron Man, Thor, Hulk, Black Widow and the Wasp. Wasp is receiving her introduction in the film with her own husband nowhere to be seen, Nick Fury playing in the backseat alongside his "sidekick" Maria Hill. Is DC Planning to have Batman, Superman and Green Lantern as some new trinity with introducing characters like Wonder Woman and the Flash? So thats just 5 people, wheres the love for Martian Manhunter or the character sooner or later James Cameron will/should/could do: Aquaman.

Really this JLA movie in 2013 is just a big questionmark right now to me, why not just make World's Finest instead that does the same job introducing a new hero or two?I don't know if it means they're gonna go with a Batman completely different than Nolan's or if they're gonna redo his origin again. If they're doing the origin again they're fools. If they're changing Batman up then I'm all for it.

Yeah Batman Begins is still very relevant and influencal movie to this date when it comes to rebooting characters to the current generation with everyone digging the whole "believable" or "realistic" story telling with outrageous concepts such as gods and aliens. This is just a big huge question mark for me really, what will they achieve? Two-Face and Ras' al Ghul alive? Why can't they just make a Bond direction with the character? :confused:

[thebatman226]

I just want the grey suit.
Finch's new suit would translate well into live action. Try that.

[JackWinz]

Screw it.

Hey Warner! Listen up, I have the perfect plan.

Look back on the last year, whatever director made the most successful movie, give them rights to Batman.

Draw names from a hat to decide what 'Else-worlds' Batman they'll be doing.

Rinse and repeat every two years.

Problem?

.....

Or just let Bat-In-The-Sun do the movies.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

I can see Superman and Green Lantern fitting into the same universe...but unless they have some nod to Nolan's Batman in the upcoming film then it wont work well...

[Drazar]

So JLA movie is all reall apparently, just wanted to get that out. (http://www.heyuguys.co.uk/2011/03/30/zack-snyder-justice-league-movie-has-nothing-to-do-with-his-superman-or-christopher-nolans-batman/) Not to mention Zack Snyder's Superman isn't connected to it either, so i doubt the Green Lantern is either. So they plan on doing a JLA movie withouth any previous set-up and just go flow with it? How is this gonna work out? Batman alone in the JLA movie will be a big question whenever or not you followed the Nolan films or comics. Did his parents die by Joe Chill, Joker or a murderer he never found out about? How did he train and by whom? What about Superman? How long has he been here, whats his status and so on and so on.

I guess they're aiming for the big 5 instead of 7 aswell, with Superman, Batman and the Green Lantern being "the trinity" that people know about and introducing Wonder Woman and the Flash, also what costume will Wonder Woman go with? Expensive version of the tv series? One of the many comic costumes or something new and unique? Then you got the whole Flash issue with general audience, is it going to be Wally or Barry? Will people know the difference? Will they make him Barry Allen but make an "amalgam" of taking liberties with the other Flashes like people have done with Robin. Also is Robin in this considering Batman's membership status came with Superman and others wanting someone with experience on team ups.

Good lord theres just so much to question and ask, i'll wait and see but i'm more curious why they chose this over World's Finest. I also liked this article, so thought i'd share. (http://www.themoviepool.com/movie-stuff/item/953.html)

[Old_BenKenobi]

The Justice League movie sounds like its gonna be like one of the standalone animated movies and assume everyone knows how Batman and Superman and Green Lantern and Wonder Woman are and just go with it, which isn't too much of a stretch since all four characters are or will be in recent memory and going over the specifics if their origins is unnecessary. Knowing who killed Batman's parents and where he trained is unnecessary for a Justice League movie as long as you know that Batman's parents were killed when he was a kid and that he trained all over the world. Same goes for Superman and GL and Wonder Woman. Things like the length of their careers and their status as heroes can be included easily in dialog or even in the opening credits with a Watchmen-esque montage (which would probably be a highlight of the movie TBH).

Something tells me that they're gonna try to get the big seven in there and the big wild cards are Flash. Martian Manhunter and Aquaman. Characters people are unfamiliar with and are, lets face it, a little harder to pull off. The Flash is just downright silly, with a silly looking costume and silly villains. Its the good kind of silly and to me The Flash (along with Spider-Man) is the flag carrier of the Silver Age. But its still silly and the audiences don't like silly. As for Martian Manhunter, hes pretty weird and out there and he was definitely the odd man out on the Justice League show. And Aquaman? Poor fellow has a terrible reputation. These three will definitely be the movie's biggest hurdle if they do try to include them.

On the plus side, since Batman in the movie will be firmly rooted in a superhero world rather than the "real" world, maybe we'll see Batman back in the tights (as he should be) and using some more sci-fi stuff.

[SammiiDoogles]

Screw it.

Hey Warner! Listen up, I have the perfect plan.

Look back on the last year, whatever director made the most successful movie, give them rights to Batman.

Draw names from a hat to decide what 'Else-worlds' Batman they'll be doing.

Rinse and repeat every two years.

Problem?

.....

Or just let Bat-In-The-Sun do the movies.

Good lord, Bat in the sun... that'd be horrible.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Good lord, Bat in the sun... that'd be horrible.

Yep. :thumb:

[Drazar]

The Justice League movie sounds like its gonna be like one of the standalone animated movies and assume everyone knows how Batman and Superman and Green Lantern and Wonder Woman are and just go with it, which isn't too much of a stretch since all four characters are or will be in recent memory and going over the specifics if their origins is unnecessary.

Yeah but how is this movie going to start? How they teamed up? How did they get to know each other? What caused it to happen? Now i know theres a good argument on both sides how today's generation has a walking library within them thanks to smartphones and others making internet much more accessible anywhere around, but is the general audience smart enough to bother digging up information or should the movie explain it to them?
Same goes for Superman and GL and Wonder Woman. Things like the length of their careers and their status as heroes can be included easily in dialog or even in the opening credits with a Watchmen-esque montage (which would probably be a highlight of the movie TBH).


Heh a opening credits with them beating up criminals would be fun definatly be fun, especially if it would have iconic cover shots like Batman swinging with his grappling hook holding a criminal, Superman with the car and so on so on.

The Flash is just downright silly, with a silly looking costume and silly villains
http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae216/Drazlol/Randomness/Ohgod.gif

Of all my rage....

But its still silly and the audiences don't like silly.

Kick-Ass' budget was 28 million and made 98 million. Green Hornet's budget was 120 million and has made 300 million, this isn't counting on the blu-ray/dvd sales considering Kick-Ass made 1,4 million on it's first week alone. I don't think Green Hornet has had it's blu-ray release yet, also we're getting the movie Super this year, tho it's a very low budget film and will be in selected theathers only. I don't think the audience has anything againts more colorful and brighty colored heroes, we'll see that also with NBC's Wonder Woman tv ratings.

[KnightHero]

So...is it possible for a movie franchise to keep going with the same story and NOT a reboot every few years?

[Old_BenKenobi]

So...is it possible for a movie franchise to keep going with the same story and NOT a reboot every few years?

X-Men.

[JD_Method]

A reboot doesn't bother me too much. I want to see a new take on Batman anyway. More Arkham Asylum-ish where it's not so realistic and more comic-booky. And Batman with his gray suit.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/115/1159127p1.html

Drazar might enjoy that

[JackWinz]

^ I didn't even read the article.. but I agree, the Justice League movie is a terrible idea.

Well, had Nolan been in charge, and had been built up like the new Avengers, it would have been good.
But they ruined their chances..

[Zur-en-ah]

http://comics.ign.com/articles/115/1159127p1.html

Drazar might enjoy that

Ha, was just about to post this myself :)

But in all fairness, I think IGN actually make some good points (for a change)

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Yeah i think its the writer that made the good points not IGN itself.

[DarkKnightDanny]

I think some of you guys are missing the point a little here, Nolans already said he doesnt want to do anymore, so its not Warners or anyone else's fault that theres going to be a reboot/No more Nolan.

He's staying on as an Exec Producer but that means he'il turn up every month and say "change that do that yes no" sort of role.

I dont think Warner are cashing in with a new reboot. Nolans trilogy is done? New Director, new fresh start.
I think this is a good thing in a way. Maybe we could get a more comic themed Batfilm with the likes of Croc and MR Freeze included without dumbing down their abilities to make way for realism.
I'm not trying to take a dump on anyone or Nolans Film making here, however after a maybe great three Batfilms i think its time to say thanks to Nolan and look forward to a new set of different views and styles of our fave superhero.

[batfan08]

I wouldn't mind a Beowulf-esque Batman film in the style of the Arkham City CG Teaser.

[Old_BenKenobi]

I think some of you guys are missing the point a little here, Nolans already said he doesnt want to do anymore, so its not Warners or anyone else's fault that theres going to be a reboot/No more Nolan.

He's staying on as an Exec Producer but that means he'il turn up every month and say "change that do that yes no" sort of role.

I dont think Warner are cashing in with a new reboot. Nolans trilogy is done? New Director, new fresh start.
I think this is a good thing in a way. Maybe we could get a more comic themed Batfilm with the likes of Croc and MR Freeze included without dumbing down their abilities to make way for realism.
I'm not trying to take a dump on anyone or Nolans Film making here, however after a maybe great three Batfilms i think its time to say thanks to Nolan and look forward to a new set of different views and styles of our fave superhero.

Just because Nolan is leaving doesn't mean it has to be rebooted. A reboot is starting from scratch with a new continuity and that is very unnecessary.

[A Dark Knight]

Just because Nolan is leaving doesn't mean it has to be rebooted. A reboot is starting from scratch with a new continuity and that is very unnecessary.
Nolan has emphasized that he is "finishing the story." He doesn't want his universe to expand like it would in the comics. He said it himself. Obviously, he won't let anyone touch his continuity, so they'll have to start with a brand new storyline. Anyways, isn't a reboot exactly what you wanted?

[Old_BenKenobi]

Its not his continuity and if Warner Bros wanted to continue off it theres nothing he could do to stop them. They own the character and they own the story hes writing and its only because hes the goose who craps golden eggs that they've given him the freedom that he has. Doesn't mean they can't take that freedom away from him.

And its not necessarily a reboot I want, I want Nolan off the series and more importantly movies to take place after Years 1/2/3. If the next movie is set a few more years into Batman's career I'm fine, whether its a reboot or not, I'll be happy. Bottom line is if the next movie sets up Batman's origins again I'll be pissed and thats usually what a reboot does.

[A Dark Knight]

Its not his continuity and if Warner Bros wanted to continue off it theres nothing he could do to stop them. They own the character and they own the story hes writing and its only because hes the goose who craps golden eggs that they've given him the freedom that he has. Doesn't mean they can't take that freedom away from him.

And its not necessarily a reboot I want, I want Nolan off the series and more importantly movies to take place after Years 1/2/3. If the next movie is set a few more years into Batman's career I'm fine, whether its a reboot or not, I'll be happy. Bottom line is if the next movie sets up Batman's origins again I'll be pissed and thats usually what a reboot does.
I do have to agree that redoing the origin would be tedious and annoying, much like what the Spiderman film is doing. I kind of just want a Dark Knight Returns film.

[JackWinz]

I do have to agree that redoing the origin would be tedious and annoying, much like what the Spiderman film is doing. I kind of just want a Dark Knight Returns film.

I'd like to see 'The Killing Joke' with a new fresh cast.. a cast that's loyal to the look and manner of the book... or maybe a really trippy 'Serious House' movie.

[A Dark Knight]

I'd like to see 'The Killing Joke' with a new fresh cast.. a cast that's loyal to the look and manner of the book... or maybe a really trippy 'Serious House' movie.
I didn't particularly like Serious House despite it being written by Grant Morrison and it'll likely never get made since it would need a hard R rating for the, if I remember correctly, immensely disturbing material, i.e. Batman driving glass through his hand. The Killing Joke, though equally disturbing, could probably be adapted well but that also runs the risk of an R rating.

[batfan08]

Michael Bay for the Batman reboot!!!!:rasp:

[JackWinz]

I didn't particularly like Serious House despite it being written by Grant Morrison and it'll likely never get made since it would need a hard R rating for the, if I remember correctly, immensely disturbing material, i.e. Batman driving glass through his hand. The Killing Joke, though equally disturbing, could probably be adapted well but that also runs the risk of an R rating.

I know! O: It would be SOOO cool.

Michael Bay for the Batman reboot!!!!:rasp:

Oh.. God, no..

[batfan08]

I agree, just had to say it. I wouldn't mind a director like David Fincher or Darren Arnofosky.

[Drazar]

Its not his continuity and if Warner Bros wanted to continue off it theres nothing he could do to stop them. They own the character and they own the story hes writing and its only because hes the goose who craps golden eggs that they've given him the freedom that he has. Doesn't mean they can't take that freedom away from him.

And its not necessarily a reboot I want, I want Nolan off the series and more importantly movies to take place after Years 1/2/3. If the next movie is set a few more years into Batman's career I'm fine, whether its a reboot or not, I'll be happy. Bottom line is if the next movie sets up Batman's origins again I'll be pissed and thats usually what a reboot does.

Yeah i wouldn't want another origin or a reboot especially since Nolan's Batman reboot was the definite superhero origin model made, so why not just follow post-3rd movie with a new cast if noone of the old ones wanna come back? You can easily turn Batman into a James Bond franchise and making each movie it's own storyline.

I didn't particularly like Serious House despite it being written by Grant Morrison and it'll likely never get made since it would need a hard R rating for the, if I remember correctly, immensely disturbing material, i.e. Batman driving glass through his hand. The Killing Joke, though equally disturbing, could probably be adapted well but that also runs the risk of an R rating.

Both Arkham Asylum and the Killing Joke are way too short to make their own big production movies, even as an animated film they would need to be increased in lenght to make the 75 minute cut. Arkham Asylum was like an European horror film, but Killing Joke on the big screen would just ruin the audience's thoughts on Batman and generally give a bad taste in the mouth with Batman laughing with the Joker after all the nasty stuff he did, thats not gonna give a good look on Bats. :p As motion picture movies or animated short movies? Bring it on!

[DarkKnightDanny]

I'l agree with redoing the origin would be a tad annoying, It does seem that the Nolan trilogy is one whole origin. I have a massive hunch that the new films will start Batman 89 style and just blast straight on into it though.

[JackWinz]

I'l agree with redoing the origin would be a tad annoying, It does seem that the Nolan trilogy is one whole origin. I have a massive hunch that the new films will start Batman 89 style and just blast straight on into it though.

I want them to go James Bond style with the movies from now on.
They'd be rolling in cash if they play their cards right..

[DarkKnightDanny]

I want them to go James Bond style with the movies from now on.
They'd be rolling in cash if they play their cards right..

I think that would work well. Would you prefer different takes on the Bat universe every film ala comic style?

[JackWinz]

I think that would work well. Would you prefer different takes on the Bat universe every film ala comic style?

I'm not sure what that means.

I want a general continuity they follow.
But more importantly, unique continuities with unique styles within for every actor who plays Batman.. but still loosely following the general story shared by every actor.
Again, kinda like James Bond.

[The Hylden]

Or, kind of like Arkham Asylum and now Arkham City. Just jump in with Batman as Batman and follow through in sequels.

I think I'd be up for big screen interpretations also of stand-alone stories, like The Killing Joker, Year One, etc. I know were' getting animated versions of some, too.

[JackWinz]

Or, kind of like Arkham Asylum and now Arkham City. Just jump in with Batman as Batman and follow through in sequels.


That's pretty much what I mean.
But you can only hang onto one actor for so long..

[batfan08]

I think that Nolan could do more than TDKR if he comes up with a storyline to follow, but if not, I want his continuity sealed. That way if Joel Schumacher jr. or someone steps in, his movies won't be tarnished.

[JackWinz]

I think that Nolan could do more than TDKR if he comes up with a storyline to follow, but if not, I want his continuity sealed. That way if Joel Schumacher jr. or someone steps in, his movies won't be tarnished.

But that's just it.. they can't make a point to pick up after Nolan's story..
Just casually step into a similar setting (with a little different pace, depending on the director) and just run with it. Batman 89' style..

[Rareless09]

I wouldn't mind a Beowulf-esque Batman film in the style of the Arkham City CG Teaser.

I like this idea :thumb: We have yet to have a full CG Batman film. I'm sure Warner can pull it off with their DC Animated series.

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By the way, Nolan is listed on IMBD.com as the producer for a Batman Reboot in 2015! Look him up and search for his production titles. I know IMBD isn't 100% accurate but there's a good chance this could happen with the release date about two years after Man of Steel comes out.

[batfan08]

I still want Jon Hamm for Batman. I know that he's 40 this year, but I wouldn't mind seeing an older, more experienced Batman. A man who's not quite as old as his TDKR or Batman Beyond counterpart, but a man struggling with the realization that he isn't the man he once was, and the effect that time is having on his mission.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

I want someone like Aronofsky to make this a reality

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