SR3 wishlist

[fneh]

I'm bored of speculating the story so lets leave that to the rest of the forum for now ok?

What features do you want in SR3?
Typically, I'll set the ball rolling.........

- SHIFT AT WILL ability!
- no missing material; even if it means stupid delays like the first game suffered from.
- no stupid sci-fi hylden stuff like BO2 had
- BOSSES (like SR1 and BO2)
- heaps of side quests and what not to keep us playing after we finish it.
- TUREL!!!!!!!
- the combat camera (as mentioned in blincoln's thread)

[blincoln]

The only suggestions I have are in the areas of play/camera control and bonuses.
Specifically, the aforementioned combat cam (it would be neat if it zooms out when you're fighting larger opponents) would be really cool.
In terms of bonuses, I know it's almost certainly not going to happen, but I'd love to see whatever was completed but cut for technical/time reasons from SR1 in a kind of museum of what might have been.
In terms of plot, etc., I just want to be surprised again =).

[CyberFish]

Special abilities, like Kain's Dark Gifts, but accessed via the various elemental powers of the Reaver.

Secrets. Lots of secret areas.

Nice variation in weapons. The weapons were all too samey in SR2.

Turel.

Proper bosses.

Little hints as to how the plot will develop throughout the game. For example, a mural early in the game might be a forerunner of something that happens later in the game, if you're clever enough to spot it.

More use of the Spectral Realm.

[Anubis_Orr]

No spectral glyph marks on walls, let people figure out when they have to go to spectral instead of walking them through it :D

[warpsavant]

Originally posted by CyberFish

Little hints as to how the plot will develop throughout the game. For example, a mural early in the game might be a forerunner of something that happens later in the game, if you're clever enough to spot it.


They did that in SR2 with the purple demon.


I also want a Reaver so powerful that it supercedes all other elemental Soul Reaver types -- it encompasses all of their abilities.

[fneh]

I also want a Reaver so powerful that it supercedes all other elemental Soul Reaver types -- it encompasses all of their abilities.

I agree. The spirit reaver should be like this. To keep down the MAYHEM(!!!!!) they should make this reaver really easy to arrose and suck your life (I'd hate it if you only got it at the very end of the game for the last boss like SR2 did)

[blincoln]

The Spunk Reaver shall make itself known, and all shall quake in its path!

[fneh]

Originally posted by blincoln
The Spunk Reaver shall make itself known, and all shall quake in its path!


I'm sure everyone in the UK s******ed for completely different reasons when they read that!:) :D


If Chris was an english gamefaqs moderator you'd be BANNED baby!!!

[Umah Bloodomen]

I'm sure Blinc would be scared. :rolleyes: :p

[fneh]

Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen
I'm sure Blinc would be scared. :rolleyes: :p


You're so CUTE when you keep running on every topic to defend blinc:p :p

*ducks and covers*........this is gonna hurt :D

[warpsavant]

If you look up Spirit in the dictionary it says Spunk.

RIP mr Socko :F

[blincoln]

Umah can defend me anytime =).

As for the Spunk Reaver, just about anything can be misconstrued as being something offensive. Have you ever seen the SNL skit from the early 90s with the couple trying to name their baby? They settle on "Bjaardker," because it's not remotely related to any nasty slang.

[Raz]

The thing with the word "spunk" is this... It's one of those things where, in the UK, chips are known as fries in the US etc. :)

Now, if you look up "spunk" in an English dictionary (as opposed to a dictionary printed for the American market), you'd discover "spunk" is something totally the opposite to being "spirited"... :p

I shall say no more... :o

[fneh]

Originally posted by warpsavant
If you look up Spirit in the dictionary it says Spunk.

RIP mr Socko :F

I'm pretty damn sure it won't in my ENGLISH dictionary.

well, as Raz said. I shall say no more.........;)

[warpsavant]

May I ask what people in England call it when someone shows "informal courage and determination" ?


And french fries are fries, they look nothing like a chip, if you ask me.

[Omega One]

Originally posted by Anubis_Orr
No spectral glyph marks on walls, let people figure out when they have to go to spectral instead of walking them through it :D

I have to agree. As much as it would do my head in to stay in an area for hours and whatnot only to shift... one must remember the Golden Soul Reaver rule....

"When in doubt... shift!

I love the idea of more secret passages to get lost in... ya'know, something to make you want to play the game after you've completed it (but I'd do that anyway).

I want the Glyphs back too! I miss them and even though they wern't essencial to complete the game - they do make an exciting and cool addition.

Different locations too! Whilst SR2 was good in the way that we see the same areas in different time periods, this got annoying in just that... seeing the same areas over and over.

Bosses would be cool. I also miss the fact that we don't get new abilities because of the lack of bosses. SR1 was good in the way that we had to kill a vampire to recieve its 'gift' whereas SR2 just had a complete lack of that.

Of course theres going to be missing material! Sites like Blinc's would be out of business! Seriously, all games have deleted bits - a shame, but if the bits in SR1 wouldn't have been deleted, I believe that it would have been the last in the SR series, or at least, the second to last.

Finally, one very important thing:

No matter how much we beg, no matter how much we plead with CD... do not, and I repeat do not draw the SR games to an end with SR3... I want to see SR100 by the time I'm 50! :D

By the by... Spunk in the UK means (please don't ban me, people who want to know shall highlight, those who don't, won't):

In the UK, Spunk means semen. The liquid that ejaculates from a man.

I believe in Austrailia it means 'handsome' :confused:

[Raz]

Originally posted by warpsavant
May I ask what people in England call it when someone shows "informal courage and determination" ?


And french fries are fries, they look nothing like a chip, if you ask me.

You wanna know what us Brits call "informal courage and determination"? We call it being British! Lol

As for chips... are you trying to be difficult?! ;)

We have chips (french fries in the US) and crisps (chips in the US). :)

[Omega One]

Ok people! Lets not get drawn into a 'potato' 'potarto' debate here!

Seen many of those in my time (gosh, I sound old) and they always end up ugly!

[Raz]

No fear Omega One! I, for one, have no intention of getting drawn into such a debate... ;)

[Plink]

I was born in the UK, but raised in Australia (where I am now, the lovely surroundings of the Australian bush, complete with horrible insects and ticks. Yeeeccchhh...)

Yea, spunk is an australian word for handsome, cute, etc. I am not fluent in Oz-speak by any terms, even if I have lived here for around 11 years or so, maybe even 12. I still have my accent too. Odd but true. Some of the words people use here...strange.

Funny how we go off topic.

I'd like to see a lot of stuff. I really want some answers, a slightly more sympathetic Kain, and possibly the chance to for Raziel to really embarass him in a cut scene. Anything to see him taken down a notch or two. Poor guy really needs a hug and a quick laugh.

As for something else, I wouldn't mind seeing some different idle animations if you leave the character alone for a little while. Maybe interacting with their enviroment, like if you leave 'em in a swamp, they turn around and give you dirty looks or raise a foot and shake it to get the gunk off. These are just random thoughts, mind you. Hehe.

[Rook]

Originally posted by Anubis_Orr
No spectral glyph marks on walls, let people figure out when they have to go to spectral instead of walking them through it :D

I agree. Or to take it just a bit further, how about no big obvious directions at the top of the screen all the way through the game every time you need to shift or use the Reaver for something. I would hope having such directions appear once or twice at the start of the game would be enough to familiarize new players with the controls, tactics, whatever. Anything more than that kills that extra special "figure it out your own **** self" feel.

:D

[TempySmurf]

I'd like to see...

an advanced combat system..

.. more strategic use of NPCs and a slightly more evolved AI..

.. secrets secrets secrets..

.. side quests... if it can work with the plot..

.. I don't want to see bosses if there's no call for it plot wise.. Having bosses in SR2 would have been silly..

.. nonlinear..

.. replay value ..besides plot..

.. Turel.. ancients.. members of Circle 500 years before Kain..

.. and the Turel cart game at the end of the credits after you enter the secret code :p

[fneh]

Originally posted by warpsavant
May I ask what people in England call it when someone shows "informal courage and determination" ?


And french fries are fries, they look nothing like a chip, if you ask me.


I'm going to ask you ONE question. What language do you speak?

ENGLISH you SAY? so then the english are the ones who made the language am I right? So you are being an idiot insulting the language which you speak because you americans have to make up words to make it your own

and your so called 'chips' are called crisps unless you're meaning a casino:p

[Raz]

Oh my... :eek:

[Raz leaves by the back door...] :p

[Jidai Geki]

Spunk Reaver... that's a visual I did not need... heh heh. :p Mind you... the Americans have bands with names like "Wank" and not an eyebrow gets raised... and isn't "wanker" an American surn

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by warpsavant
If you look up Spirit in the dictionary it says Spunk.

RIP mr Socko :F

How dare you speak this name in my presence. And I thought we were friends? :p

Note to forum: Socko decided to get on bad terms with a lot of forum members back in May.

And fneh, it is never a question of "defending" Blinc, it's more about pointing out how much I care about the gamefaqs board, and how asinine this one is becoming lately. :rolleyes:

Then why do I still post here? **shrugs** I have done very little posting compared to what I normally do, over the last week. I've gone back to focusing more on other endeavors. If it weren't for the fan fiction contest, I'd probably wouldn't be around much at all.

Blinc ~ Score another one for the Umah. :p ;)

[Vampmaster]

In SR3 I want:

Constrict
A new gift from consuming Turel's soul (He has to be in it for that)
The other three Reavers. (Maybe one that looks like the Kain Reaver as well)
Spells (Only one available at a time depending on the Reaver)
Elementally immune/vunerable enemies
More uses for Reavers eg. Dark Reaver blinds enemies not just those eye things. (Reaver pools?)
New combat camera
Alternate endings depending on how many side quests have been completed.

[Azrael]

Hmm besides some stuff i saw here that i like, i only want to add, change the enimies AI, because its kinda dumb demons and demon hunters cooperate to kill you ;) :p (ex: try entering on a place where are demon hunters and demons fighting, run towards them and they stop fighting just to attack you at the same time :rolleyes: )

[Rook]

Perhaps the demons and demon hunters both know exactly what Raz is, and both consider him much more of a threat, in spite of his wimpy appearance. ;) :D

[warpsavant]

I'm going to ask you ONE question. What language do you speak?

ENGLISH you SAY? so then the english are the ones who made the language am I right? So you are being an idiot insulting the language which you speak because you americans have to make up words to make it your own

and your so called 'chips' are called crisps unless you're meaning a casino


So I'm an idiot and insulting the language because I think french fries look nothing like a potatoe chip?

Wow, I wish my Grandfather knew that before he risked his life helping defend your nation.

[fneh]

Originally posted by warpsavant
So I'm an idiot and insulting the language because I think french fries look nothing like a potatoe chip?

Wow, I wish my Grandfather knew that before he risked his life helping defend your nation.


Dude. Is that the best you can come up with? The only reason the USA even helped england the WW2 is because of pearl harbour and you all know it.

second question: what year did WW2 start?

Please just end this. It's nothing to do with the topic and it'll just get nasty......................



oh, and UMAH? was that an insult to me? or perhaps someone else?:confused: maybe everyone here?


you do KNOw I was joking in my last post right?............right?

[fneh]

Note to forum: Socko decided to get on bad terms with a lot of forum members back in May.


Thank you for letting me know. I thought it was come kinda insult or Tv reference or something!!!!!!!:rolleyes: :o

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by fneh
oh, and UMAH? was that an insult to me? or perhaps someone else?:confused: maybe everyone here?

you do KNOw I was joking in my last post right?............right?

Sarcasm dear...it's alright, calm down. No need to get your knickers in a bunch. ;) :p

Remember who you're talking to, Umah, the sarcastic one. :D

No, that wasn't an insult. I am feeling pretty good after being more encultured about the Brittish and their "Police Boxes".

As for Pearl Harbor, the US was considering joining the cause before this tragedy so don't even throw that in our faces. It was a matter of what it would do for both of our countries had we gotten involved. For some reason the US needs to justify it to the American people. (who sometimes don't get the concept of war to defend freedoms). You need to remember, we weren't really that high on the popularity list of the Axis powers either now were we? :p

Yes, fneh - Socko is a touchy subject...moreso with me, but a touchy subject nonetheless.

EDIT: I am not getting in on the obscenity debate, because it is clear that this is a subject of American slang vs. other meanings.

I don't think fries look like potato chips either, where do you guys get the chip from? I've personally always wondered that since I was little.

Fish -n- Chips (they call it that here when they serve fries with cod).

I'm now on a quest to be fully tuned into Brittish culture before I die. :p

[fneh]

I'm guessing they're called chips because you cut them off the potato like you'd do to wood? y'know. wood chippings?

That was a total guess but it does kinda make sense (at least to me)


an dumah? sarcasm doesn't really come accross very well in written form so forgive me if I miss it. It usually comes out in the tone of voice.


And my knickers? How did you know I was wearing womens underwear!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

You're starting to sound like a friend o mine. Next you'll be calling me a tart!

[Umah Bloodomen]

How about I call you a knicker-wearing tart? Instead? :p ;)

I hope tart isn't obscene. :p

[fneh]

I REALLY need to sort out my typing skills!!! LOL

can't stop spacing words a letter too soon!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

[Azrael]

Posted by Rook
Perhaps the demons and demon hunters both know exactly what Raz is, and both consider him much more of a threat, in spite of his wimpy appearance. ;) :D

Ahaha, maybe. Hmm that would be like this:

...
*Raz enters the room, and sees a demon-hunter fighting a demon*
Demon-Hunter: AH! Take that you foul beast.
Demon: Urgh...Hey STOP!! Look at that guy over there.
DH: Hmm, he is strange alright, but he has a nice sword, and i want a new one!!
Demon: *slaps his forehead* ...i do i always get stuck with morons *kicks the DH butt* ok let's get him
DH: Ouch...ok but i bet i can take him down faster than you..
*Raz sees them coming in his way*
Raz: Uh oh *wents spectral*
DH: Hey where did he go?
Demon: Bye bye
DH: ??? What the... *demon fades to spectral* .. hey where did we go? *silence* Great, now what i do?
Continues after the nexxt beer :p ;)

[Umah Bloodomen]

Dumah, Umah. Close enough. Consider it my way of giving you a freebee. :p ;)

The chip thing kind of makes sense btw.

[Raz]

Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen
I am feeling pretty good after being more encultured about the Brittish and their "Police Boxes".

"Police Boxes" Umah? :)

Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen
I don't think fries look like potato chips either, where do you guys get the chip from? I've personally always wondered that since I was little.

Fish -n- Chips (they call it that here when they serve fries with cod).

I'm now on a quest to be fully tuned into Brittish culture before I die. :p




Where do we get "chip" from? That's one of our most heavily guarded secrets... Lol

I guess it's 'cause chips/fries are strips from a potato, sorta like a chip off a block... I dunno. :p

Anyway Umah, if you ever come over to the UK, I'll buy ya some good ol' fish and chips with loads of salt, vinegar and ketchup! It's best to eat 'em straight from the newspaper... :D

[fneh]

Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen
How about I call you a knicker-wearing tart? Instead? :p ;)

I hope tart isn't obscene. :p


sla............erm.......maybe not


HOW DARE YOU!!!!!!!!! You hurt my feelings again!!!!! why can't we just get along?!?!?!? why!!!????
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY????????


Wow, I'm really too excited tonight:)

[fneh]

Originally posted by Raz
"Police Boxes" Umah? :)




Where do we get "chip" from? That's one of our most heavily guarded secrets... Lol

I guess it's 'cause chips/fries are strips from a potato, sorta like a chip off a block... I dunno. :p

Anyway Umah, if you ever come over to the UK, I'll buy ya some good ol' fish and chips with loads of salt, vinegar and ketchup! It's best to eat 'em straight from the newspaper... :D


Newspaper? not seen fish n chips in newpaper since I was a wee lad! (can you hear the warbotons music from the old ads in the background?)

[Umah Bloodomen]

I referred to the Tardis (from Dr. Who) as a phone booth, and vampmaster told me I was wrong, it was a police box. I was like "what the hell is a police box?"
Sorry, but booth-type structures with phones in it, to me, is a phone booth. :p

Raz, if I manage to hit the UK, you're on. ;)

(although fneh is going to be jealous). :p

I love vinegar on real french fries (non-McDonalds type, the real thick potato wedge-type). And I'm a sucker for fish & chips. :)

[Rook]

Originally posted by Azrael
Ahaha, maybe. Hmm that would be like this:

...
*Raz enters the room, and sees a demon-hunter fighting a demon*
Demon-Hunter: AH! Take that you foul beast.
Demon: Urgh...Hey STOP!! Look at that guy over there.
DH: Hmm, he is strange alright, but he has a nice sword, and i want a new one!!
Demon: *slaps his forehead* ...i do i always get stuck with morons *kicks the DH butt* ok let's get him
DH: Ouch...ok but i bet i can take him down faster than you..
*Raz sees them coming in his way*
Raz: Uh oh *wents spectral*
DH: Hey where did he go?
Demon: Bye bye
DH: ??? What the... *demon fades to spectral* .. hey where did we go? *silence* Great, now what i do?
Continues after the nexxt beer :p ;)

Nothing would surprise me, as far as the LoK series goes. That's as believable a scenario you've got there as any I can come up with, Azrael. http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/grinser/grinser003.gif

:D

[fneh]

we usually only call chips chips if we make them from the potato ourselves or get htem from a chippy.

In places like McDonalds etc and when you buy them frozen they're usually french fries (because they're skinny things, where as chips are usually chunkier)

[Raz]

Ahhh, the Tardis! :D

I saw the a Police Box just like the Tardis. It was at a museum. It a huge outdoor museum centre with a "Ye Olde" Main Street. It had all o' the old ads for things like Guiness and stuff. You could either walk through the place (which would've taken ages!) or travel by tram. I liked it there... :D

Oh, and another thing you have to do is have a proper knees-up in a pub! :D

Anyway... So, have you actually tried "Brit-style" fish and chips Umah? Or did you have some in the US? :)

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by Raz
Oh, and another thing you have to do is have a proper knees-up in a pub! :D

Anyway... So, have you actually tried "Brit-style" fish and chips Umah? Or did you have some in the US? :)

I warn you, I have Irish in me, although I don't drink often, I can hold my liqour. :p

As for the fish & chips, I've only indulged in the American version.
:( But I hear that your version is great. :)

[fneh]

Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen
I warn you, I have Irish in me, although I don't drink often, I can hold my liqour. :p

As for the fish & chips, I've only indulged in the American version.
:( But I hear that your version is great. :)


depends where you go really. I know about 2/3 chippies that do AMAZING fish. AMAZINg.

I know MANY that do horrible things in masses of rock hard batter

shame too. I LOVE fish...........hmm., I'm hungry again now

[Raz]

Irish, eh? ;)

I went through a "chips and beans" stage once... Pretty self-explanatory but I loved chips, with loads of salt and vinegar of course, and baked beans. I dunno why I started going through that phase, but I've not had that combo for a long time...

[Raz makes note to himself... "Must try chips and beans again!"] :D

I dunno if anyone outside of the UK heard about it, but there was a craze where people ate battered Mars Bars... :p

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by Raz
Irish, eh? ;)
I dunno if anyone outside of the UK heard about it, but there was a craze where people ate battered Mars Bars... :p

And Italian ;)

I am afraid I did not hear about battered-dipped Mars Bars. Somehow, that doesn't sound to appealing. :p

[Raz]

Italian too?! Flamin' 'eck! :D

I never tried a battered Mars Bar myself... strangely enough, like you, I didn't find it too appealing... :p

[fneh]

They are AMAZING!!!!!! They are really nice. I had to try one and loved it!!!

not had one in years now but I'd do it again! (if my girlfriend didn't stop me every time I went to ask in a chippy that is!!!)

oh, and a mars bar in the USA is called a milky way isn't it?

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by fneh
oh, and a mars bar in the USA is called a milky way isn't it?

Acutally a Mars Bar is called a Mars Bar and a Milky Way is called a Milky Way :p

I can't believe you ate a batter-dipped Mars Bar.

[Rook]

I don't believe the British version of the Mars Bar has almonds in it (at least the ones I've had didn't:)), thus it's pretty much a Milky Way.

[fneh]

Originally posted by Rook
I don't believe the British version of the Mars Bar has almonds in it (at least the ones I've had didn't:)), thus it's pretty much a Milky Way.

OK!

a mars bar is the same as a snickers but no peanuts in it.

a milky way is just a MINI mars bar with no caramel and a white filling instead of a brown filling (that is fluffier and white)

I'm SURE a UK mars bar is a USA milky way as a friend that went to the states told me and I saw a pic of one on the back of a comic (usa one)

[fneh]

Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen
Acutally a Mars Bar is called a Mars Bar and a Milky Way is called a Milky Way :p

I can't believe you ate a batter-dipped Mars Bar.


neither could I!!!!
I did it with a mate on my a levels for a dare and ended up really liking it! the caramel and chocolate on the outside melt into the inside coat of batter to make a kind of chocolate sauce.

I'm so gonna get another one now you got me thinking about them!!!!!:D

[Raz]

Nah, the Brit version of a Mars Bar doesn't have nuts in it. :)

[Umah Bloodomen]

We have Mars' with or without almonds if you want them. I prefer the ones with almonds, but they both aren't bad.

[Rook]

LOL I thought I was off my rocker for a minute there.

Pass the Smarties, please. ;) :D

[Omega One]

Originally posted by Umah Bloodomen
As for the fish & chips, I've only indulged in the American version.
:( But I hear that your version is great. :)

Too right! Lovely chippy chips... if your ever over here, you must try them, although French Fries are exactly the same as chips, but french fries are fried for longer hence there crispy.

*points to other posts mostly on page 2*

See how nasty this can get? Hate to say I told you so ;P :p

Raz, fneh... Mars Bars and Milky Ways are the same in both countries. The company that makes them won't use different names worldwide. To mis-use the Kain quote "We are the same, Sarafan and Vampire":

"They are the same, Mars Bars and Milky Ways" :D

Now, I suggest we leave this 'UK Vs. US' debate to the Community Forums, strange how we all can get so off-topic...

btw - who was the idoit that said all that crap about WW2? How on earth does a period of time that saw millions dead justify this little debate? Please, no more idiotic comparisons... Umah is right, the US was planning to join the war before Perl Harbour... people like that shouldn't be allowed to talk IMO, its how prejudice is spread.

Meaning, UK people say what that person said, that the US wasn't planning to join the war 'cept for Perl Harbour... and visa versa in that the US saved the war (as we see in so many films).

I'll start a proper 'slang' debate thread in the Community Chat..

Anyway, I too would love to see the constrict ability back, shame he didn't have it in SR2 :(

[chuffy]

one thing that i think LOK geniuses must put in the new game is... a jump attack for Raziel. how this was left out? i have no idea

oh and a little bit more mundane stuff. like opening a door and ending up in a... bedroom or kitchen. so many rooms in the sarafan stronghold and they were all just bare. couple of nice windows, few weapons on the walls, yadda yadda yadda


chuffy

[Duckman Drake]

Originally posted by fneh
- no stupid sci-fi hylden stuff like BO2 had
That "stupid sci-fi Hylden stuff" is what endeared me to BO2 - that and the moment Janos said, "They are called the Hylden. You will encounter them below" the goosebumps going up and down my back, "drunk with revelations" realizing that THAT was what Kain was talking about at the end of SR2. In SR3 I would like to see the demon dimension where the Hylden were banished: possibly a good location for a climactic battle. Side quests, but I don't mind the linear play at all (a lot of people seem to nit pick about it).

I don't care if SR3 comes out five years from now, I can wait for quality gaming. :)

(humming mantra) quality over quantity, quality over quantity...

[Raz]

Originally posted by Omega One


Raz, fneh... Mars Bars and Milky Ways are the same in both countries. The company that makes them won't use different names worldwide. To mis-use the Kain quote "We are the same, Sarafan and Vampire":

"They are the same, Mars Bars and Milky Ways" :D

I didn't say any different Omega One... Some products are slightly different from country to country, hence the reason we were trying to figure out if Mars had a nutty version in the US. :)

Originally posted by Omega One


Now, I suggest we leave this 'UK Vs. US' debate to the Community Forums, strange how we all can get so off-topic...

btw - who was the idoit that said all that crap about WW2? How on earth does a period of time that saw millions dead justify this little debate? Please, no more idiotic comparisons... Umah is right, the US was planning to join the war before Perl Harbour... people like that shouldn't be allowed to talk IMO, its how prejudice is spread.

Meaning, UK people say what that person said, that the US wasn't planning to join the war 'cept for Perl Harbour... and visa versa in that the US saved the war (as we see in so many films).

I'll start a proper 'slang' debate thread in the Community Chat..

Anyway, I too would love to see the constrict ability back, shame he didn't have it in SR2 :(

Don't look at me! I never mentioned Pearl Harbour! :confused:

Anyway... I'd like to see us power-up the Pillars in SR3. Sorta like "charging up the battery" to unleash their power... ;)

[Jidai Geki]

How in God's name did you start arguing about chips and fries? Is it true that you Americans don't have irony, either? You're all so damn sincere all the time! :D

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by Jidai Geki
You're all so damn sincere all the time! :D

I beg to differ with that... http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/teufel/teufel054.gif

[Jidai Geki]

Ok, maybe not all of you, but certainly the majority seem to be devoid of sarcasm or irony. In fact our tabloids were recently ripping the piss out of said fact. And the batter mars-bar thing was limited to a very small minority of chippies, mostly scottish ones. But they eat haggis, anyway. :)

[Duckman Drake]

(Off topic, but I don't care) :)
When he's not preening his feathers, Duckman Drake stocks groceries at a 24/7 shopping center in Pennsylvania. Today I was talking to my friend who works in the candy section and happened to glance at a five pack of Mars bars. On the package it says "Chocolate Almond Bar". Hope this clears things up (but is guessing it probably won't, tee hee). I prefer Hershey's Special Dark anyway...

[fneh]

Originally posted by Jidai Geki
Ok, maybe not all of you, but certainly the majority seem to be devoid of sarcasm or irony. In fact our tabloids were recently ripping the piss out of said fact. And the batter mars-bar thing was limited to a very small minority of chippies, mostly scottish ones. But they eat haggis, anyway. :)

I know what you mean! I remember when I saw scrub for the first time and Dr cocks used sarcasm (A LOT) and I was like...........
this is AMERICAN?!?!?! the guy just used sarcasm!!!!

(scrubs has to be my fav thing on TV at the moment. love it to bits)

[fneh]

That "stupid sci-fi Hylden stuff" is what endeared me to BO2 - that and the moment Janos said, "They are called the Hylden. You will encounter them below" the goosebumps going up and down my back blah blah blah


I REALLY agree about when janos first said about the hylden. I must have watched that scene SO MANY times diffing for clues!

AS for the stupid sci fi stuff. I still think it's stupid. LOK games are not sci fi yet introtucing stuff like that is not right. I mean look at soul reaver 1. Do you see any junk like that? NO. There are machines but NOTHING like the resident evil style efforts we see in BO2. It's like going into the umbrella hq!!!! (still enjoyed BO2 tho. don't get me wrong. I don't like it was part of the LOK series much though)

[Duckman Drake]

Ok, ok, some people like the inclusion of sci-fi elements in LoK, some don't (gets down on knees and thanks CD for making BO2 and including the Hylden, causing this kind of agitation WEG).

[Rook]

I'm a huge sci-fi fan, and even I didn't think the whole sci-fi aspect of BO2 fit well. I was much more comfortable thinking of the LoK series in medieval terms.

Oddly enough, the sci-fi appearance of all the Hylden stuff bugged me to no end, but something as completely bizarre as the Eternal Prison seemed to fit perfectly in the game. (In fact, that was my favorite level.)

That's just me, though...:D

[fneh]

Originally posted by Rook
I'm a huge sci-fi fan, and even I didn't think the whole sci-fi aspect of BO2 fit well. I was much more comfortable thinking of the LoK series in medieval terms.

Oddly enough, the sci-fi appearance of all the Hylden stuff bugged me to no end, but something as completely bizarre as the Eternal Prison seemed to fit perfectly in the game. (In fact, that was my favorite level.)

That's just me, though...:D

Couldn't agree more.

...........apart from the fact I'm not a huge sci fi fan to begin with

LOK games are fantasy games. I was annoyed enough at the guys with those primative GUNS in sr2 when there is nothing like that in SR1!!!!

[the abyss]

the sci-fi thing didn't really bug me at first...but now it makes perfect sense...the sarafan lord did say that his race was immortal, and, from my perspective, that should give the hylden alot of spare time, other than dealing with the demons. Actually the demons are probably what motivated them to get all "sci-fi". they decided, as humans did many ages ago, that instead of using brute force, which was no match to the strength of the "wild-life", that they should make something to keep the demons at bay. After they succeeded at that, they decided to use the technology they developed for other uses, namely for the invasion and protection of their rule in nosgoth, such as the booby-trap claws that were on the walls in the hylden level.

Or maybe I'm just making stuff up...I'm not sure i'll talk it over with my leprechaun later

[Jidai Geki]

I have to agree with fneh and rook. The sci-fi take just kinda throws the whole thing up in the air. Look at the difference between BO1 and SR1- a millenium apart (I think-or am I wrong?), but there wasn't any laser guns or daft stuff like that in there. LOK belongs firmly in a medieval-style setting, and IMHO, the story could have survived without the Hylden, or vampires being good guys. I would have preferred Janos to be exactly what the legends depicted- a vicious, evil murdering sonuva*****. Saying that, I'm the kind of person who always roots for the bad guys in the movies. >)

[Raz]

***Blood Omen 2 Spoilers***

Well, at first the sci-fi elements of BO2 really bothered me too. In fact, it bothered me so much I really couldn't stand playing through The Device and the Hylden City. :p

However, after thinking about the Hylden and their advanced technologies, it doesn't seem so ridiculous. I mean, in only two thousand years (since 0 BC, obviously!) humans have learnt how to make wiring, glass, rubber, transport such as cars, planes and trains. We have learnt how to use electricity, gas and natural energy as efficient sources of energy. We have not only managed to access the skies of our world, but we have also managed to step beyond them into space. We have walked on the Moon. We have designed laser beams, weapons of mass destruction, powerful telescopes, submarines...

Need I go on? ;)

Now, if you think about it, technology has advanced greatly in a few hundred years. Comparing our progress with the progress of the Hylden helps to understand how it may be possible for them to make such strides against their opposition. Their opposition are the Vampires, of course. Now, consider this... What if it were possible that Nosgoth, in it's current state, simply did not have the resources to make such technological advancements? It may be that, in order for such technology to exist in Nosgoth, the materials, and knowledge, must be obtained from somewhere else. Not only that, but the Hylden may simply be much more technologically minded than the Vampires and Humans. The Vampires may be more magically minded than the Hylden and Humans. The Humans may be more able in combat than the Vampires and Hylden, using brute force instead of magic or technology.

Basically, when you take all elements into consideration it doesn't seem so far-fetched. :)

However, despite saying this, I'd hate for LoK to become heavily influenced by sci-fi such as Star Trek etc. I think it could work perfectly in the right doses, but, as such, I think whoever is in charge of BO3 (if there is one in development!) should be very careful... :)

One thing's still certain though... I'm still not too sure about the Mass. :p

[Rook]

Originally posted by fneh

LOK games are fantasy games. I was annoyed enough at the guys with those primative GUNS in sr2 when there is nothing like that in SR1!!!!

Well, the first SR did have guys with flamethrowers. And the Human Citadel looked to have something akin to electric lighting, if I remember correctly. It still managed (thankfully) to stay in a largely medieval-style setting, though.

I think another of the things that bugged me about BO2 were terms like "the Mass" and "the Device". They just ended up sounding overly simplistic (and a bit corny, to me).:o

[Vampmaster]

The one thing I did like aout the Hylden city was all the murals. Story-wise I think it would have sense for the Hylden to be pawns of the Elder or Hash or someone else. The idea of the humans not exactly being the good guys and vampires not exactly being bad guys would go with the idea that the Hylden aren't exactly good or evil either. It would be more interesting and more realistic that way.

Can't beleive I forgot this:

SR3 should have vampires. There wern't any live ones in SR2 apart from the main characters. I liked how Raz used to use the environment to kill his enemies in SR1. Maybe he would have to do it automatically now that the combat system has changed, or perhaps he would have to do that with enemies that he doesn't have the right Reaver to kill yet. It should have hylden too, but not all sci-fi (the TSDs are a sci-fi type thing though) and flying enemies that you have to shoot down with progectiles.

EDIT: It should have the Seer and explain what she is. (Apart from hot :D )

[eclipse_reaver]

I want Eidos to come up with something better than Capcom does :D
http://gamespot.com/gamespot/stories/news/0,10870,2907350,00.html

The small trinket they talked about is the key ring of Dante's sword. I'd love to have SR hanging on my key chain anytime :)
And posters, t-shirts, CDs....

[Omega One]

In SR3 I want more interactive scenery.

Yaknow, trees that shake when Raziel or someone bumps into them, small boulders that Raziel can pick up and throw (like in the original game), just minor things that make the game seem (even) more real than it already is :)

Another example... in SR2 in the Sarafan Stronghold we see windows all over the place. In SR1 - we shatter them with the TPF (Telekinetic Force Projectile, or those who don't know ;))...

I would love to be able to shatter windows and go outside, even if they did lead to an enclosed space (bars/walls/gates, etc blocking your path) would be very cool indeed :)

[DarkWraith]

I think you mean TFP Omega. ;) ( for those who don't know)

[Omega One]

Yeah, that too ;)

Just realised how many typos I made in that post.. god those typo demons are out in force ;)

[DarkWraith]

*slays typo demons with a big sword*

[DMraider]

I/we want

-Good story
-Spells(maybe healing ability but more attack spells like BO1)
-Each reaver has his own strenghts and weaknesses when attacking.
- at least 40 hours play time so not something like 20 hours in Sr2
-Bosses
-Want to use other weapons then the soul reaver. maybe some areas where you can only use normal weapons.
-Freedom
-see some guys from BO1
-Not the hylden
-more enemies
- harder game( puzzles are good but you cant die!??!)
-Not like BO2(first and maybe 2nd time completing the game is good but the 3th time its getting boring)
-Secrets

:D

[xarax]

I want Raziel's black heart used to resurrect Janos.

I want Janos to restore Raziel to his vampiric form (with reaver intact) with real wings.

I want Raziel to have real wings that let him fly.

I want the "hungry" reaver to go away. Way too annoying for it to eat the souls and Raziel's health.

I want Raziel to use his black heart to resurrect Umah.

I want save anytime points, reload where you saved.

I want warp gates.

I want REPLAYABILITY.

I want difficulty levels.

I want secrets and bonuses and optional side-quests.

I want NEVER EVER to see those darn demon invaders.

[Duckman Drake]

...And I want to win the lottery, move down to Key West and work on my prose like Hemmingway. Ah, to dream!

I want to see the Hylden en masse in SR3.

[Raz]

I'd like to see the Hylden come out in full force. ;)

I'd also like to see Raziel tackle Malek. I mean, Malek was a soul bound to armour, so how did Vorador kill 'im...? ;)

Oh, and perhaps a quick trip to the Demon Dimension or possibly traveling to areas featured in Blood Omen 2. Imagine walking though the ruined city of Meridian or making your way to find the Seer! :D

[DMraider]

A big fight with Malek

[Hash'ak'gik]

My wishlist is....

1. Different Reaver abities for each element and a few new ones (note; attack means both combat attack and projectal) :

(Darkness)
Attack: Enemy makes slower attacks.
Ability: Can become invisable unless in front of an enemy, an enemy magic user is nearby, or the area is very well lit.

(Light)
Attack: Enemy is blind for a few seconds.
Ability: Whole area is filled with light.

(Air)
Attack: Enemy is thrown backwards and is stunned for several seconds for every 3 hits or 2 firce hits.
Ability: Can 'fly' small distances for 10 seconds.

(Fire)
Attack: Sets enemies on fire for every 3 hit combo or 2 hit fierce combo for 5 seconds. (enemies on fire take for every second they're on fire.)
Ability: All candles and torches in the area are lit.

(Time Reaver)
Attack: Enemy is temporarily frozen in time (stunned).
Ability: Can make things in time, like doors become rusty and cracked, like in the Eternal Prison.

(Mind Reaver)
Attack: Enemies go insane and attack each other as readily as they attack you!
Ability: Can control Human minds.

(Spirit Reaver)
Attack: Like normal Reaver only kills with one hit, gets aroused very easy, and Souls are devided between you and it.
Ability: Can command creatures of the Spectral Realm.

2. Freedom!

3. Better A.I!

4. Biiig battles!:D

5. Play as Kain!

6. Tuuuurrrrrreeeeelllllll!!!:D

Whew, I think thats it...

[DarkWraith]

me likey all you suggestions hash.
big people at CD listen to hash. yes yes
DW:D

[DMraider]

What about Earth, Water and maybe Sound reaver??

Earth
Strenght: Stronger attacks
Ability: Can Summon Earthquake which is very strong but causes the reaver to drain something of your health

Water
Strenght:Normal attack but the reaver won't get so fast hungry
ability: Can fill some places with water

Sound
strenght:When striking a lot of time near of at the enemy he will get mad and misses more and loses constantly some health.
ability: Can cause glass to break of it's powerfull Sound w/projectile

:D:cool:

[DarkWraith]

But TFP's can break windows anyway. sorry
shutting up i am gonna hide in my little cave
sorry again.
DW

[DMraider]

But the sound reaver can break very big and strong glass which the other reaver can't..

[Omega One]

Any Reaver projectile can shatter windows....

People keep asking for Turel, well, I don't think we will see him (at least the Vampire Turel).

With all the changes in the time-line occuring in SR2 - I think its unlikely that the same timeline will happen again.

Meaning, that with all the changes with Raziel and the Reaver, and Raziel's refusal to kill Kain - maybe the timeline in which Raziel was made 'blue' won't happen but hes impervious to changes?

[TG_Syd]

A character named Lestat:p :p

[Vampmaster]

Originally posted by Omega One
Any Reaver projectile can shatter windows....

People keep asking for Turel, well, I don't think we will see him (at least the Vampire Turel).

With all the changes in the time-line occuring in SR2 - I think its unlikely that the same timeline will happen again.

Meaning, that with all the changes with Raziel and the Reaver, and Raziel's refusal to kill Kain - maybe the timeline in which Raziel was made 'blue' won't happen but hes impervious to changes?

But Amy said they havn't forgotten about Turel. He has to be in it. So many people want to see him so, the only reason I can think of for him being left out is that they run out of time (again). Which is why I clicked the red option in this poll.

[Omega One]

Maybe she said that to keep us quite? ;)

However, I can picture the ending of the LoK series (at least, the SR games) and all too often its way too easy to invision and ending in which history repeats itself - and Raziel doesn't save Nosgoth....

As much as I'm wanting a good ending, as I said, I can see this all failing miserablly :(

After all, who wants a good ending when you have the oppertunity to create more games later on? ;)

[Hash'ak'gik]

I think you mean quiet Omega.:p :rolleyes: :p

[Omega One]

That too :p

[DMraider]

But the Sound Reaver can Break special Windows who are magically protected v force but not v Sound!!

:p :) :p :p :) :p

[Hash'ak'gik]

Ummm, what?:confused:

[DarkWraith]

DM Raider have you not given up on the whole sound reaver thing. let it go. Its over. TFP's can do all that that particular version of the reaver you suggested.

I just had a thought. (i take this occurance quite happily as it doesn't happen very often) We all know tht the Reaver is the key to the pillars lock. what if the reaver could also be imbuned with abilities of the pillars. i know many others of you have put the idea of a time reaver and a mind reaver. i just thought because the the reavers connections with the pillars it might provide a good explanation for their existence.

i dunno what you all think
DW

[Vampmaster]

That would be cool, but it took a whole game to forge four elemental Reavers and there's still 3 more to go in SR3. IMO the game would have to be at least 3 times bigger to do that and that would mean it took 3 times as long to make.

[NightChyld]

I'd like to some how turn back time on Raziel's body to his pre-fallen state. That way he could get back his wings and we could fly around Nosgoth. Just a suggestion.

[Omega One]

I don't think that will happen NightChyld... I think Amy said something like that in an interview...

[DMraider]

Originally posted by NightChyld
I'd like to some how turn back time on Raziel's body to his pre-fallen state. That way he could get back his wings and we could fly around Nosgoth. Just a suggestion.

Maybe it is a good idea to make a game where you play as Luitenant raziel before kain threw you into the abyss.

it begins with Kain killing you and turning you in a vampire
and then you have to attack Willemdorf and kill athmar

and you have to kill sarafan leaders etc:D

[Hash'ak'gik]

Kain didn't kill Sarafan Raziel.
Raziel did.

[DMraider]

Originally posted by Hash'ak'gik
Kain didn't kill Sarafan Raziel.
Raziel did.

I thought he killed Raziel and after that he turned him into a vampire:p

[Hash'ak'gik]

Have you completed SR2?

[CyberFish]

Personally, the things I would kill* to see in SR3 are:

More puzzles!
More variety of weapons.
More variety of enemies in Spectral realm. (Not just Wraiths and Slaugh)
Revisiting locations from previous games.
Dark Eden.
Slightly less of an abrupt ending.
Boss puzzles.
Turel!(It had to be said)
An explanation of why Raziel is the only creature ever to survive the Abyss.
Moebius, dead.
The missing Elemental Reavers.
Unique powers for each of the Reavers (Darkness-stealth, air-increased jump ability, etc)
A Dark Chronicle.
Raziel to shout "Vae Victus!"


*Not anyone important, of course. Just some generic passerby.

[Edited. I was tired.]

[Omega One]

Don't you mean SR3? ;)

Actually... I'd like to see another thing in SR3.

FMV's are actual files! I hate not being to get the in-game screenshots!

Ok, I can understand why they did is as a predefined path - taking into account of one variable in the game that will always change - the Reaver and its current element... but you should do FMV's for all Reaver types then!

Yes it will take longer to complete, yes it will keep us waiting, yes it will be huge on the disk... but perhaps SR3 will be the first multi-disk PS2 game? ;)

[DMraider]

Originally posted by Hash'ak'gik
Have you completed SR2?

aH Yes, Raziel killed Raziel !:D

[Hash'ak'gik]

*exasperated*So why did you say 'it begins with Kain killing you and turning you in a vampire' :rolleyes: :o :confused:

[NightChyld]

Know what I wanna see (as if anyone cares!) I wanna see Raziel get his wings back and fly around Nosgoth like an unholy angel of death. Better yet, I don't even care if you get to operate the flight. A good scenematic (my favorite part of a game) would suite me just fine. I also want a good ending scenematic, I felt kinda gipped when they just kinda used the character engine as the "final scene" of SR2 and not a clip. *sigh* Well, maybe they'll start SR3 with a cool scenematic of the ending of SR2!

[fneh]

no doubt Sr3 will start with a cinematic showing the SR2 ending as happened with SR1/2.

Sr1 didn't have a cinematic ending either.


I'd like to see an ENDING cinematic on Sr3 where raziel gets his body restored etc etc. I'd like the last part of the game to feature raziel with his restored body or if you start a new game after completing it you get to play as restred raziel or something (to give us reason to play it through more than once)

[Hash'ak'gik]

Amy Henning said Razzi boy would never be restored to his former self.

[fneh]

maybe not but we can dream can't we?:D

[Omega One]

Actually, I prefer Vampire Raziel to human and demon Raziel anyday...

I love his hair y'see... ;)

[NightChyld]

I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a pre-fallen Raziel Prequel game. :p What blood drinking fun that would be \m/

[Omega One]

As am I... but it won't happen!

[Vampmaster]

I think Raziel should meet up with Vorador in the stronghold. Maybe Raziel interupts his battle with Malek and that's why Vorador didn't get to finish Malek off until BO1.

I think the puzzles should make use of the spells. For example if Raziel needed to light two fires at the same time but couldn't fire two projectiles at different places at once, then he'd use the fire reavers spell.

[CyberFish]

I don't particularly like the idea of Raziel being restored in the game. It defeats what seems to be the whole underlying theme of the Legacy of Kain: Corruption and decay, the lead characters fighting against the inevitable descent, but never able to withstand the irresistable flow of darkness.

That said, it would be kind of nice to have a restored Raziel skin as a little extra, like Kain's Soul Reaver and iron armour in Blood Omen 2.

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by CyberFish
I don't particularly like the idea of Raziel being restored in the game. It defeats what seems to be the whole underlying theme of the Legacy of Kain: Corruption and decay, the lead characters fighting against the inevitable descent, but never able to withstand the irresistable flow of darkness.

That said, it would be kind of nice to have a restored Raziel skin as a little extra, like Kain's Soul Reaver and iron armour in Blood Omen 2.



Restored Raziel as a major plot element I particularily am not interested in. I agree with your sentiments here, and I do like your notion of the restoration being an 'extra' CyberFish. That would indeed be fun.

[CyberFish]

An extra CyberFish? Don't you think one of me is enough?

[Umah Bloodomen]

Originally posted by CyberFish
An extra CyberFish? Don't you think one of me is enough?

Aww, but we can never have enough CyberFish. I actually asked Santa for 10 this Christmas. :D :p

[Omega One]

Originally posted by Vampmaster
I think the puzzles should make use of the spells. For example if Raziel needed to light two fires at the same time but couldn't fire two projectiles at different places at once, then he'd use the fire reavers spell.

Agreed - we need different types of puzzles... rather than 'push-this-switch-to-open-door' or 'fire-reaver-at-this'...

[SirRaziel]

Well we can give up on the hope that Raziel will be restored. But really when you look at it. The abilities unique to Raziel make him even more powerful. As for me I'd like the plot to be even more deep and making me beg for more.

[fneh]

It would be nice (for raziel) to get his body back but I actually would prefer him to be 'restored' in a different way. I'd like him to gain the ability to control how he appears in the physical plane (it makes sense he could appear however he wants on this plane as his WILL is what makes him appear how he is)

Imagine if he could make himself wings for the material plane....or even a jaw! It'd be a nice final ability.

I know this aint gonna happen though and I'm quite happy with him the way he is. I would however enjoy replaying the game with raziel as a vampire (with or without wings) as an extra once you complete the game (like Kain's iron armour and soul reaver)

[fatih]

i want to see same faces. Why they change character appearence?

[Raziel'sRevenge]

The Kain Reaver like in SR1

Many more wepons with more variety

TONS of side quests 'n such

BOSSES

Unexpected plot twists(such as the one explained in "Raziel and Kain the same person?!?)

[Raziel'sRevenge]

I'd like to see...
-The Kain Reaver
-All the rest of types of Reavers from SR1 & SR2
-Some new abilities(Maybe like Berserk from BO2)
-Raziel somehow getting his wings back so he can fly(Even if its only for short periods of time)
-Bosses
-More wepon variety
-TONS of sidequests
-what every character would look like in a bikini(Thats right, even Kain) :)

[jesta]

Ok i would like to have the ability to play as Kain or Raziel, the choice i think would add more depth to the game.

Failing that parts of the game to be played by Raziel and others by Kain.

More fantastically poetic diolog with Kain and Raziel (lets face it Kain is the King of metaphor)

A less Liner game and more secrets to discover :D

the chance to talk to people to get hints like in BO

The 3 missing reavers.

more spectral realm puzzles.

Kain to say Vai Victus at least once in the game.

for Raziel to meet an earlier version of kain and give him a slap for the pain and misery he will cause him to go through.

for us all to get the game when its fully ready with nothing cut out because off deadlines or something like that.

More full motion video.

And if there is any bonus material for it to appear on the pc version as well as the PlayStation 2 version. (i dont have a PS2 :( )

the possibility of a SR4

[fneh]

Originally posted by jesta


the possibility of a SR4


As long as the game actually has a decent ending this time!! I HATE cliffhangers that last 3 years!:mad:

[Vampmaster]

I think SR3 was going to be the last Soul Reaver game and BO2 might be the last Blood Omen game, but they won't be the last Legacy of Kain games. I'm hoping that the Reaver will get the ability to possess it's weilder at times, then Raziel could change history by showing the younger Kain (cause he weilds the physical blade) things like secrets about the ancients and the hylden and how to fix Nosgoth. Maybe the older Kain could get the wraith blade. If Raziel enters the Blood Reaver, it doesn't need wraith blade in it as well because he will have become it.

[DarkWraith]

If there was a SR4 I would want tolay as Pre fallen Vampire Raziel. You know a game whereyou play Kain's general taking over Nosgoth from the humans and other creatures that we may not have seen

[Sirocco Erasmus]

I have a simple suggestion. Instead of trying to put in gimmicks, I'd prefer the designers attempt to craft the gameplay to the context of the characters. I don't care about more reavers, I thought BO1's spells were really silly, what I really want is for them to make the game work with its own concepts, the way SR1 did. In SR1 the combat made sense, you were fighting vampires, you needed to finish them off in special ways, in SR2 it was just a dumb gimmick. I say forget gimmicks, concentrate on making a decent combat engine and putting in a lot of environmental interaction. Make the game competant and immersive, and fun to play, that's more important than ability upgrades.

[Vampmaster]

Yeah, but the Reavers are written into the story now. So they do have some significance.

[Sirocco Erasmus]

That's true, but well... I think getting the gameplay right is paramount to more reavers, variations on a couple particle effects and color swaps really aren't that complicated anyway. What I mean to say is I'd like gameplay worked on before more ability ups are considered.

[Vampmaster]

I agree that the point of the elemental reavers was supposed to improve gameplay. Have a read through this thread for some of by suggestions on them. I've suggested that: The fire demon should be immume to the Fire Reaver but defenseless against the Water Reaver and the Earth Reaver should weigh you down so you can walk of riverbeds for underwater puzzles, Fire reaver stops you freezing in certain areas where you'd shatter and then go spectral otherwise. I also suggested an attack where if you hit triangle while in the air, Raziel jumps on or stabs any enemy that's close enough.

[qratz]

i think it is stupid to have that option to play as a kain in sr3. soul reaver is raziel's game, he is soul reaver not kain, blood omen is kain's game and it should stay that way.
just one thing, i wish that raziel in sr3 could do combo moves (like in mortal kombat 3), 'cause the best way to kill the enemy is with your hands!

[someguysteve]

i want the game to be longer, much much longer.
bosses
non linear, you can use a damn time machine why should it be linear
better fighting make raziel and or kain quicker maybe some combos.
i want it to answer every question i have ever had about the enitre series
maybe different ending depending on your actions, maybe you kill the wrong person and doom Nosgoth

and so long shots could be that the soul reaver initiates an evolution thing in Raziel as hes unconcisous is the spectral plane.

maybe half way through finishing the game Raziel thinks hes fixed everything so he travels forward in time to find that he only changed things slightly, which could give you the opportunity to fight his brothers again whilw he searches for what went wrong.
you could face dumah before or during the battle mentioned in sr1. face turel, the spider (i forgot his name) guy when he was stil mobile, and maybe melciah used armor instead of skins to hold himself together so he developes scales and becomes a giant snakeish thing somewhat like his original form for sr1