Terrorist Activity

[Daedalus.]

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There needs to be much more terrorist activity in DX3. Not just blowing off the head of the statue of liberty. There needs to be obvious, noticeable ongoing terrorist activity all throughout the game, like real world.

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[Blade_hunter]

Depends, man 100% of the terrorist activity isn't noticeable most of it is noticed through the medias, rather than the reality.
The military patrolling in malls, stations, streets is a noticeable presence that can mean terrorism
Also not all countries are the victims of terrorism, so the best you can have in that cases is TV programs that talks about terrorism.

I think the medias like TV / Radio was things that lacked in the first game.
The best we can have for this is NPC's opinions to have that feeling and news papers witch was great, but i think they can make more in those areas.

But that would be great if when you turn on a TV you'll have a certain view over the world's status.

[KSingh77]

TV news would be a great addition to this game,hopefully the flat screen in Adam's apartment isn't there just for show.

[JCpie]

Another good addition would be going to a military base where you see Al-qaeda being trained by CIA agents, that would be pretty cool, no?

[Daedalus.]

Another good addition would be going to a military base where you see Al-qaeda being trained by CIA agents, that would be pretty cool, no?

Also, show how we (the US) provided Stinger Missles to CIA trained Al-Qaeda in Pakistan; so that, they (the US trained and supported Pakistanis) could defeat the Russian invasion in the late 80's / early 90's.

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[Ashpolt]

Another good addition would be going to a military base where you see Al-qaeda being trained by CIA agents, that would be pretty cool, no?

Yes, because I'm sure in 20 years (give or take) we'll still be involved in the same wars as we are now! Just like we were in the Gulf War 20 years ago! Ah wait...crap.

[KSingh77]

Another good addition would be going to a military base where you see Al-qaeda being trained by CIA agents, that would be pretty cool, no?
Gone, don't insult other members.

[Blade_hunter]

TV news would be a great addition to this game,hopefully the flat screen in Adam's apartment isn't there just for show.

What ? The TV in the Adam's apartment is really interactive ?

[Daedalus Ciarán]

I think the medias like TV / Radio was things that lacked in the first game.
The best we can have for this is NPC's opinions to have that feeling and news papers witch was great, but i think they can make more in those areas.

But that would be great if when you turn on a TV you'll have a certain view over the world's status.

That really bugged me in the first game. In UNATCO there's the TV in the kitchen/sittingroom area and all you can hear from the news report on it is "Mnahmnahmnahmnah". That seemed like a real missed opportunity.

[Blade_hunter]

Yeah, that bugged me too, and I even tried to find if there is a button at least to switch it on or off ...

[gamer0004]

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There needs to be much more terrorist activity in DX3. Not just blowing off the head of the statue of liberty. There needs to be obvious, noticeable ongoing terrorist activity all throughout the game, like real world.

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Yeah because that's what terrorists do. Obvious, noticeable ongoing activity.

The idea of terrorism is that it's not obvious, noticeable ongoing activity. That's open warfare.

[Sabretooth]

Not just blowing off the head of the statue of liberty. There needs to be obvious, noticeable ongoing terrorist activity all throughout the game, like real world.

I agree, blowing the Statue of Liberty's head off is neither obvious nor noticeable a terrorist target.

[Blade_hunter]

The liberty statue was an example of terrorism act, but the terrorism presence was made by the sole presence of the NSF in the streets.
Hell's kitchen and Castle Clinton were great examples of terrorism activity in Deus Ex.

We had hostage crisis, some fightings where we could participate or not, bases that we have to infiltrate, prisoned people.

The beginning was about a terrorism chase, and after we tried to defeat the conspirators who engendered that world wide disorder ...

[Irate Iguana]

I agree, blowing the Statue of Liberty's head off is neither obvious nor noticeable a terrorist target.

I can see it now. Bunch of tourists standing on Liberty Island watching the statue when all of a sudden

BOOOOOMMMMM!


Tourist 1: Did you hear something? I swear I heard something.
Tourist 2: Must have been the wind. Don't get so excited.
Tourist 3: Liberty looks different than on TV. Like she lost weight.
Tourist 2: They say TV adds a few pounds.
Employee: We're renovating the statue. Construction on the head was shoddy so we've blown it off. That's why she looks different.
Tourist 3: Now that you mention it, I do see a distinct lack of head.

[gamer0004]

Yeah because that's what terrorists do. Obvious, noticeable ongoing activity.

The idea of terrorism is that it's not obvious, noticeable ongoing activity. That's open warfare.

I agree, blowing the Statue of Liberty's head off is neither obvious nor noticeable a terrorist target.

Isn't it ironic that mine and Sabretooth's answers are sort mutually exclusive?

In my opinion the NSF were rebels rather than terrorists, though it depends on how you define "terrorism".

[itsalladream]

Perhaps a rebel tries to make changes from the inside, and a terrorist tries to make changes from the ouside, as well as trying to inflict terror on the populace.

[JCpie]

Hey idiot,take your political conspiracys and tin foil anti government rays of death crap somewhere else.

Telling someone to take their conspiracies somewhere else.... On a Deus Ex forum!?

[coweater]

Hey idiot,take your political conspiracys and tin foil anti government rays of death crap somewhere else.

Plot twists like that were a key ingredient of Deus Ex and the staple of Invisible War.

[minus0ne]

We could just let this pointless thread die.

[Romeo]

We could just let this pointless thread die.
I like it, let's just ignore the one fellow and let the logical people continue to discuss it. :o

[JCpie]

I like it, let's just ignore the one fellow and let the logical people continue to discuss it. :o

Romeo, Romeo! I have nothing constructive to say.

[Sncho]

Yeah because that's what terrorists do. Obvious, noticeable ongoing activity.

The idea of terrorism is that it's not obvious, noticeable ongoing activity. That's open warfare.

No, the most basic idea of terrorism, apart from fighting a much larger and better funded enemy is to *appear* as though you're bigger, deadlier, and more organized than you really are. You're trying to send a message as loudly and clearly as you possibly can.

[gamer0004]

No, the the most basic idea of terrorism, apart from fighting a much larger and better funded enemy is to *appear* as though you're bigger, deadlier, and more organized than you really are. You're trying to send a message as loudly and clearly as you possibly can.

Depends on how you define terrorism...

Wikipedia says:
"Terrorism is, in the most general sense, the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion. At present, the International community has been unable to formulate a universally agreed, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism. Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts which are intended to create fear (terror), are perpetrated for an ideological goal, and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (civilians)."

So apparently it's rather unclear what terrorism exactly is.
Basically it's about coercion by "use of terror"; and coercion "is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, intimidation, trickery, or some other form of pressure or force."
The NSF didn't just try to force the government to supply the vaccine to the whole population, they were trying to overthrow the government (because of the power abuse by people like Page and Simons, and because the government proved to be unable to solve problems like the grey death).

[Sncho]

There's nothing unclear about it, you've just defined its primary goal. It's like printing a news column. If nobody reads about it, you might as well not have written it in the first place. Just think of the name itself; TERROR-ism. The goal to create terror.

The trouble with the *legal* definition of terrorism is that it doesn't hold true for every perspective. One man's freedom fighter another man's terrorist guerilla.

[Daedalus Ciarán]

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There needs to be much more terrorist activity in DX3. Not just blowing off the head of the statue of liberty. There needs to be obvious, noticeable ongoing terrorist activity all throughout the game, like real world.

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Maybe someone could correct me on this but wasn't there an indication that the NSF hadn't done the deed and the government was the perpetrator? So if they showed terrorists blowing it up, wouldn't they be killing that conspiracy aspect in Deus Ex 1?

[JerichoMccoy]

From what I remember (Cause I'm recently re-playing Deus Ex for the umpteenth time):

The bombing of the Statue was allegedly done by the "terrorist" group, Silhouette, who believed France was wrong to give the U.S. the statue in the first place.

I think somewhere around the lines, a bum talks to J.C. telling him what he thinks happened, and that he thinks it was the Government that did it.

And in the Intro to Deus Ex, WS and BP do discuss how UNATCO was formed after the "terrorist" strike on the Statue.

Whatever the case maybe, because people were afraid of what happened, it was the catalyst for the Government to take action.

The Government probably does not even have to be involved. Heck, they can just know something like that was going to happen, but let it happen anyway. When the consequences can work toward your favor and you don't have to lift a finger, it just makes for "plausible deniability".

...ooo just typing that up gave me chills.