Next Batman Movie Coming July 20, 2012!

[Matches Malone]

Article
http://www.superherohype.com/news/batmannews.php?id=9349

[Prince Daka]

I just heard. Such a long wait though. It seems like WB carefully planned this. They know next year Arkham Asylum 2 will come out & that'll keep us all busy until the TDK sequel, & for now I'm sure they are counting on us getting the GOTY 3D edition... & by the time the movie comes out we will be so Bat crazy we will not even remember to check out the Spiderman reboot hehehe

[angleslam99]

Yeah I just read about this, if things go smoothly we could get a double treat that year. Summer = Batman, Winter = Superman.

[Matches Malone]

Yeah I just read about this, if things go smoothly we could get a double treat that year. Summer = Batman, Winter = Superman.

I wish they would switch this, I always thought Batman was more of a winter release. Superman being more of a Summer release.

[The Hylden]

I think that changed with The Dark Knight raking in the billions :p They will maximize the revenue intake by going for the Summer, when more people go to movies.

[Matches Malone]

Yeah BB was a summer release as well, winter is a big release as well though. I just thought TDK felt more like a winter movie.

[GOGO]

Can't wait.

[Old_BenKenobi]

Eh, I think there are more interesting things going on in 2012 to be honest. Marvel's Avengers project will finally come to a head and Superman gets a reboot.

[The Hylden]

You may think that, but I guarantee you that the film will make about as much, or possibly more, on reputation, alone.

[freeze131]

Eh, I think there are more interesting things going on in 2012 to be honest. Marvel's Avengers project will finally come to a head and Superman gets a reboot.

2012 is going to be epic.

It's the first year out of school
Marvel's Avenger's project is coming
TDK sequel is coming
Spidey reboot is coming
Star Trek 2 is coming
Halo movie is coming (I'm skeptical about this one)

[Old_BenKenobi]

I'm not saying Batman 3 won't be profitable or anything like that. I'm just saying theres much more interesting stuff going on (IMO). Forgot about the Spidey reboot. Chalk that up too.

Next year is gonna be great too. Thor, Cap and Green Lantern.

[freeze131]

I'm not saying Batman 3 won't be profitable or anything like that. I'm just saying theres much more interesting stuff going on (IMO). Forgot about the Spidey reboot. Chalk that up too.

Next year is gonna be great too. Thor, Cap and Green Lantern.
Hopefully their all in the Iron man/Nolan's Batman caliber. Because then it'll be a great year.

None of us want another Daredevil.

[xScarecrowX]

Oh my God I had a heart attack! I loved BB and TDK was great!

[The_Mad_Batter]

hope hatter is there

i am a contortionist anyone wanna see me put my head thru my legs?

[SammiiDoogles]

Let's just hope those Mayan's were wrong then, eh? :p

Seems like the next two years is gonna have a lot of comic book movies...

Batman 3
Superman reboot
Spiderman reboot
Captain America
Green Lantern
Thor
Avengers
Jonah Hex (Not looking good so far though)
Iron Man 2 (May 7th)
Deadpool

[freeze131]

Let's just hope those Mayan's were wrong then, eh? :p

Seems like the next two years is gonna have a lot of comic book movies...

Batman 3
Superman reboot
Spiderman reboot
Captain America
Green Lantern
Thor
Avengers
Jonah Hex (Not looking good so far though)
Iron Man 2 (May 7th)
Deadpool

There's also Flash? Wonder Woman?
I've already seen Iron Man 2. Make sure you stay after the credits for that one.

For Deadpool, my hopes aren't too high.

And not to offend you, but the Mayan's predicted the end of 2012, so we'll all be okay ;)

[SammiiDoogles]

There's also Flash? Wonder Woman?
I've already seen Iron Man 2. Make sure you stay after the credits for that one.

For Deadpool, my hopes aren't too high.

And not to offend you, but the Mayan's predicted the end of 2012, so we'll all be okay ;)

Lol, The Mayan's thing was a joke :p It's ridiculous so I haven't bothered reading too much about it lol.

My bad, forgot those - so thats;

Batman 3
Superman reboot
Spiderman reboot
Captain America
Green Lantern
Thor
Flash
Wonder Woman
Avengers
Jonah Hex (Not looking good so far though)
Iron Man 2 (May 7th)
Deadpool

[freeze131]

Lol, The Mayan's thing was a joke :p It's ridiculous so I haven't bothered reading too much about it lol.

My bad, forgot those - so thats;

Batman 3
Superman reboot
Spiderman reboot
Captain America
Green Lantern
Thor
Flash
Wonder Woman
Avengers
Jonah Hex (Not looking good so far though)
Iron Man 2 (May 7th)
Deadpool

It's serious to me. The world's really going to end at the end of 2012 :mad2:
But all the comic based movies are out before that. So we'll be okay :thumb:

[angleslam99]

Are they really doing Wonder Woman? I heard Geoff Johns confirm they're starting on the Flash, but never got any feeling or word from anyone that WW is coming besides speculation.

[Prince Daka]

a Deadpool movie would be lame. i hope that doesn't happen. Jonah Hex seems unlikely too, but i'd watch it over a dumb Marvel hype movie.

[batman18]

You may think that, but I guarantee you that the film will make about as much, or possibly more, on reputation, alone.

I am sorry but this has to stop. The Dark Knight was a good movie don't get me wrong, but it wouldn't had made near the money it did if it wasn't for Heath Ledger's death(r.i.p.). The publicity alone surrounding his death is the reason it did so well. You had people going to see the movie not because its Batman but because it was Heath Ledgers last real movie. Batman is a popular character and the joker is his greatest foe but that does not warrant over a 1billion dollars in the box office.It is just not possible for a comic book superhero, plus I believe the Avengers movie will do way better than the Dark Knight sequel because the hype is growing and the movie will bring together some of the greatest heroes in all of marvel.

[Old_BenKenobi]

I think a lot of Batman 3's success will be determined by its quality, which is unusual for a big summer movie. People were seeing The Dark Knight 3, 4, 5 times. And not just Batman geeks. People who never gave a **** about Batman were seeing it twice or more. I think the movie got huge revenue from repeat viewings. If Batman 3 doesn't deliver on the quality front then it won't have those repeat viewings and will have less revenue over all.

[The Hylden]

Exactly. It wasn't just Ledger's death, either. Hype for the movie was strong before that happened. And comic book movies never would do that well otherwise? Really?? Spiderman III, which was a lackluster sequel, grossed 885 million. Did anyone die who was in that movie?? And, given it wasn't a movie that warranted many repeat viewings, if it were, it probably would have gone over a billion. The Dark Knight WAS a movie where people saw it 3, or 4 times. And you don't do that simply to see a dead actor's performance... In the first weekend opening records, the Dark Knight, Iron Man, Spiderman III, Spiderman II, and Spiderman held the top title, respectively, until each surpassed the other. Now, Avatar holds it. Hm, looks like comic book films do better than you think and you need to give more credit to The Dark Knight than you are, batman18...

[St. Genesius]

I hope Batman 3 doesn't involve Hush. Hi, I'm Tommy Elliot, Bruce's bestest childhood friend. I hate Bruce because his Dad saved my mom's life when I could be rich! Although I'm a genius brain surgeon, my sole reason for existence is that Bruce must die!" Worstest character ever. Worse than the Tweedle-dees and dumbs.

[Drazar]

I hope Batman 3 doesn't involve Hush. Hi, I'm Tommy Elliot, Bruce's bestest childhood friend. I hate Bruce because his Dad saved my mom's life when I could be rich! Although I'm a genius brain surgeon, my sole reason for existence is that Bruce must die!" Worstest character ever. Worse than the Tweedle-dees and dumbs.

This man right here, has some great taste in comics. :thumb:

[kalle90]

Does something hint Hush will be in it?

Originally many thought it will have the most popular but realistically possible villains: Riddler, Penguin, Catwoman. Nolan saying 3rd will be his last just strengthens that IMO. Then his series would have pretty much all the biggest villains from Joker to Scarecrow.

Also. If a known comic book hero isn't supposed to be a cash magnet, what is? WW2? Zombies?

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

I'd like to see someone like riddler because he can test bruce's detective skills which havnt been really touched much

[freeze131]

I'd like to see someone like riddler because he can test bruce's detective skills which havnt been really touched much
Did you watch the dark knight? He portrayed a wide asset of detective skills (all of which was part of Joker's plan)

I don't have anything against The Riddler, but personally I think he would only fit in as a side villian.

This batman put on a much darker approach, working out riddles would just piss him off.

[Old_BenKenobi]

I'd like to see Killer Croc. A villain who both continues the theme of the freaks overtaking the traditional crime in the city and also offers Batman a physical opponent.

[freeze131]

I'd like to see Killer Croc. A villain who both continues the theme of the freaks overtaking the traditional crime in the city and also offers Batman a physical opponent.

For Nolan's batman, that trend hasn't begun. If we was continuing the franchise, maybe the 4th or 5th film. but sadly, he has confirmed this movie will conclude the story he wanted to tell.

[Drazar]

I'd like to see Killer Croc. A villain who both continues the theme of the freaks overtaking the traditional crime in the city and also offers Batman a physical opponent.

I've said it once, and i'll say it again: Michael Clarke Duncan for Killer Croc.

[Old_BenKenobi]

For Nolan's batman, that trend hasn't begun. If we was continuing the franchise, maybe the 4th or 5th film. but sadly, he has confirmed this movie will conclude the story he wanted to tell.

I wrote up a big ass post responding to this and unfortunately the board system ****ed up like it tends to do with me lately and I lost everything. So I'll give the abbreviated version:

It has started. Its been going from the very beginning of the series and was a prominent theme in The Dark Knight. Escalation, thats what Gordon talked about at the end of Begins, thats what was shown throughout The Dark Knight and thats where Batman 3 will continue.

If you look at each villain in succession you'll notice that they become less and less normal and more and more freakish. Joe Chill is an ordinary mugger. Carmine Falcone is an ordinary mobster, Ra's al Ghul was a normal man built up by supernatural legends, Scarecrow was a psychotic who wore a mask, Joker was a psychotic who was slightly deformed and used makeup to highlight and distort the deformations into something terrifying and Two-Face was a genuine freak. They get progressively uglier, which is symbolic of Gotham's criminal underworld becoming progressively warped by these freaks.

And Michael Clarke Duncan should definitely be Croc if there ever was one. A huge black dude with a horribly mutilating skin condition and a totally destroyed mind. Draz is on the money with that one, though I think Black Skull has a higher chance of being B3's baddie than Croc (and he fits the disfigurement theme).

[Drazar]

And we all know Leonardo Dicaprio will be Black Mask. :whistle: :thumb:

[Matches Malone]

And we all know Leonardo Dicaprio will be Black Mask. :whistle: :thumb:

That could be good, and I agree with your casting choice for Croc as well.

[Abeja]

Yeah Id definitely like to see Croc. He could easily fit in Nolans movies. And I agree with whoever said that the Riddler should be a side villain. Maybe Killer Croc could be working for Black Mask the whole time and the Riddler teases Batman through it all.

Also, Killer Croc and Great White Shark team up? That would be awesome.

[Matches Malone]

Black Mask in my opinion would make the best lead villain for the next "Nolan-verse" Batman flic. Plus Black Mask is flat out awesome.

Doing a story similar to "War Games" would be perfect. Batman is still being hated & pursued by the law. The city breaks into a major turf war between Black Mask, Two Face, and a few other parties, and the police have to divert their attention from Batman to try and control the gang war. Gotham soon realizes that the situation is too much for Gotham's finest and places their trust in the Batman to resolve the situation.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Did you watch the dark knight? He portrayed a wide asset of detective skills (all of which was part of Joker's plan)

I don't have anything against The Riddler, but personally I think he would only fit in as a side villian.

This batman put on a much darker approach, working out riddles would just piss him off.

I've see it more times than i have beat arkham asylum, im talking about riddles that would make him not just a super slouth, but somthing that makes him greater than sherlock holmes like the worlds greatest detective, like the original comics

[Matches Malone]

Bruce's intelligence has yet to be portrayed on screen as vast as it is in the comics.

[batfan08]

If they did do Croc,I think it should be this:

http://oph.ucsd.edu/residents/learning/duanes/graphics/figures/v5/0270/022f.jpg

and this:

http://s3.amazonaws.com/readers/2009/03/25/snake_1.jpg

meet this:

http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/1999/images/thegreenmile5.jpg

[freeze131]

I've see it more times than i have beat arkham asylum, im talking about riddles that would make him not just a super slouth, but somthing that makes him greater than sherlock holmes like the worlds greatest detective, like the original comics
Well, moving aside from my original argument. This is a film that portrays a younger Bruce Wayne. Still coming to terms with his caped crusader alter ego.
Perhaps in a several years, he'll understand the way Joker's mind works (which is how he guessed every one of Joker's moves in AA)

[Drazar]

Yeah way too many people ignore the simple fact that this is Batman's early years. He didn't instantly start with all wacky Batmobiles and gadgets. It was a natural development as it was with Joker and his laughter gas. People need to realize this.

[Old_BenKenobi]

I'm hoping that Batman's experience with the Bat-Pod and his use of the sports car are both indicators that he'll ditch the Tankmobile and go for a nice stealthy and agile proper Batmobile.

Though I doubt I'll ever get my dream of having the black and grey tights unless they plop me in the director's chair.

[freeze131]

I'm hoping that Batman's experience with the Bat-Pod and his use of the sports car are both indicators that he'll ditch the Tankmobile and go for a nice stealthy and agile proper Batmobile.

Though I doubt I'll ever get my dream of having the black and grey tights unless they plop me in the director's chair.
I think that would make it seem too unrealistic. Seriously, if you go out fighting multiple thugs at once, chances are at least one of them will have an armed sub machine gun.

If I hear right, batman's Armour was bullet proof. Which provided some protection against the many weapons the thugs would most likely use.

The Batmobile may come, who knows. the Tankmobile was destroyed and he's in need of a new one. Don't get your hopes up though.

[Nemesis296]

Batman is a popular character and the joker is his greatest foe but that does not warrant over a 1billion dollars in the box office.It is just not possible for a comic book superhero

Well, a billion dollars is a lot of money that has only been made by 5 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films) movies in the history of filmmaking; Titanic, Avatar LOTR: Return of the King, POTC: Dead Man's Chest, and the Dark Knight.

If a movie makes more than $300 million in my opinion, that's a hell of a good movie.

Iron Man made $585 million worldwide, and Iron Man 2 has already made over $100 million in it's first weekend internationally and it hasn't even hit the states yet. I'd be amazed if Iron Man 2 doesn't beat out the first movie at the box office.

There are even some who believe that Iron Man 2 will dethrone the Dark Knight's first weekend sales of $158.4 million (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/movies/2010/04/iron-man-2-downey-dark-knight-box-office.html)

For me, the Dark Knight was just a good movie. I personally didn't really feel the impact of Heath's death, but it still doesn't change the fact that it was a really good Batman movie.

[Old_BenKenobi]

I think that would make it seem too unrealistic. Seriously, if you go out fighting multiple thugs at once, chances are at least one of them will have an armed sub machine gun.

If I hear right, batman's Armour was bullet proof. Which provided some protection against the many weapons the thugs would most likely use.

The Batmobile may come, who knows. the Tankmobile was destroyed and he's in need of a new one. Don't get your hopes up though.

Batman's costume in the comics is bulletproof too and its still tights. ;)

[freeze131]

Batman's costume in the comics is bulletproof too and its still tights. ;)

Really, it certainly doesn't look it...

[Matches Malone]

On the costume it depends on the book, sometimes its just tights & every now & again he will reinforce them with armor if he expecting to get hit.

Some times the tights are actually reinforced Kevlar though.

On the subject of the "Batmobile" I certainly hope they don't get rid of the tumbler or the bat-pod they are my most favorite bat vehicles from any medium, and they certainly make more sense than driving a shiny black car with bat wings. Tumbler is BA, don't change it!!!!

[Old_BenKenobi]

Really, it certainly doesn't look it...

Doesn't look like tights or doesn't look like its bulletproof?

Generally its either explained with him wearing armour under the suit or the suit itself being made of a super strong material. In No Man's Land he took a direct hit to the head from a sniper and was barely fazed. Occasionally artists will draw the suit looking more like a mish-mash of materials and stuff that make it look more bulky. Lee Bermejo does that and it looks awesome. Same with the costume used in the game! But I prefer the fabric look by far.

And I think the Tumbler is an ugly piece of crap. Theres being realistic for the sake of not being retarded and then theres being so realistic it is retarded.

I really hate the whole "it has to be as realistic as possible" bent anyway. I think its pretentious and boring. I think its much more interesting and creative to try your best to make it look like the comic book as much as possible without violating the audience's suspension of disbelief. Iron Man does that and it kicks ass. Going back to the Tumbler, I think that its lazy. Yeah, I said it. Lazy. As if the people designing it thought "Hm, we want this to be realistic so we'll completely throw out all the style that made the Batmobile cool and just make a tank. Thats more realistic right? Righ. There, done." Why not try and figure out how to make the Batmobile as it exists in the comics exist on the big screen and be practical and awesome rather than just take the easy way out and give him something generic and boring?

I really really really hope that the sports car was a foreshadowing to a sleeker and cooler Batmobile. I remember in an early issue of Batman: Confidential he reflected on ditching a massive tank-like vehicle in favour of a sleeker armoured car because being able to stealthily weave around obstacles was more efficient than bashing throuh them. Or something.

I just hope they don't bring back that god-awful Tumbler. **** that ugly turd.

/rant.

[Matches Malone]

No one could ever concince me this looks retarded
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Batmobile.jpg
this looks retarded
http://www.namebrand300.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/2009111220594498477801.jpg
This is my favorite comic "Batmobile" and I love how Bruce makes fun of the name Batmobile.
http://www.mocpages.com/user_images/5162/12474374672_SPLASH.jpg

The Tumbler would destroy the 89 Batmobile and then laugh at it for being silly and impractical.
The tumbler has speed, durability & all the functioning gadgetry Batman could ask for, save fly.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Remember in the cartoon THE BATMAN where his "tumbler" batmobile got trashed, how he can back with the traditional batmobile, i can see that happening... (Ironic how that episode is almost like what happens in ironman 2...at least the racing part)

[Old_BenKenobi]

And yet it looks like ass. Its boring. It has no style. Its a misshapen hunk of metal with wheels. The Batmobile in the game looks just as functional and unstoppable as the Tumbler but it also looks good doing it (which is something that could be said about basically everything in the game lol).

I'm not saying the Forever Batmobile was great looking (it sucked), and I'm not saying the 89 Batmobile looks practical (though its still miles beyond the Tumbler IMO). I'm just saying that completely abandoning visual flair for the sake of realism is retarded, and the Tumbler is the epitome of that. Just like how the Forever Batmobile is the epitome of abandoning practicallity and believability for sex appeal. Sticking so close to either end of the spectrum is just so bad it makes my head hurt.

[Drazar]

Modified Lamborghini could do the trick. Something like this, for example. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yWjfmSMdvSo/SCe5WIH1l9I/AAAAAAAAANA/eZUkyqkKTpk/s1600-h/BM_676.08_09.jpg)

[Old_BenKenobi]

Modified Lamborghini could do the trick. Something like this, for example. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yWjfmSMdvSo/SCe5WIH1l9I/AAAAAAAAANA/eZUkyqkKTpk/s1600-h/BM_676.08_09.jpg)

Now we're cookin. Thats exactly what the Nolanverse needs. A big injection of style.

[Matches Malone]

And yet it looks like ass. Its boring. It has no style. Its a misshapen hunk of metal with wheels. The Batmobile in the game looks just as functional and unstoppable as the Tumbler but it also looks good doing it (which is something that could be said about basically everything in the game lol).


Your opinion is noted, the Batmobile in the game couldn't plow through a wall or drive over a police vehicle, couldn't drive over much of anything really as low as it is to the ground. Couldn't drive on top of buildings that's for sure. Couldn't beat the tumbler in a tug of war match. The one in the game doesn't look as bad as some, the wings are fairly minimal.

I have different tastes in vehicles though.Never wanted a sports car, Lamborghini, or anything like that, just gimme a Jeep with 4 wheel drive.

And I prefer Batman's main source of transportation to be his grapple hook anyway.

Modified Lamborghini could do the trick. Something like this, for example. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yWjfmSMdvSo/SCe5WIH1l9I/AAAAAAAAANA/eZUkyqkKTpk/s1600-h/BM_676.08_09.jpg)

That thing would "high center" and get stuck on any speed bump over 2 inches tall.

Remember in the cartoon THE BATMAN where his "tumbler" batmobile got trashed, how he can back with the traditional batmobile, i can see that happening... (Ironic how that episode is almost like what happens in ironman 2...at least the racing part)
There was absolutely nothing tumbler esq about the first Batmobile. This is the best picture of it I could find.
http://www.actionfigureinsider.com/images/DCDirect/Sol05/Nov05/BatmanBatmobileMaquette.jpg

[Old_BenKenobi]

First of all the Batmobile in the game definitely could plow through a wall. Whats makes you say it can't? What makes you say it can't drive on rooftops? The thing kicks the Tumbler's ass on the basis of video game Batman having better tech than Nolanverse Batman because Nolanverse Batman is stuck with lame realism.

And if plowing through a wall and over a police car is considered criteria for a badass Batmobile, why can't a Batmobile that can do those things just plow through a speed bump as well? I mean, if it can crash through a wall surely a speed bump is no problem. Or hell, give it an adjustable suspension that Bats can raise or lower with the push of a button. Its the goddamn Batmobile!

[Dark Knight Detective]

For me I'd like to see the following happen in the next Batman

Visting the grave site of Thomas and Martha Wayne (either in or out of costume)

Hunting down the remnants of the mob (could be a decent openning scene)

And then as a lead off from breaking up or scattering the reminants the police could appear and it start and they give chase to The Batman as after all he will still be hated and ultimately feared by Gotham and whats left of the mob gets nicked by the police or hired by the newest "freak(s)" in town.

[Matches Malone]

First of all the Batmobile in the game definitely could plow through a wall. Whats makes you say it can't? What makes you say it can't drive on rooftops? The thing kicks the Tumbler's ass on the basis of video game Batman having better tech than Nolanverse Batman because Nolanverse Batman is stuck with lame realism.


A. BCit would damages its pretty paint job.
B. BC its literally an inch and a half off the ground. And doesn't have the traction that the Tumbler does.

I like the Nolan films, but they aren't as good as they should be (as good as the comics) not by a longs shot, bc they are stuck in realism. But most of the Batmobiles in the comics are realistic, save the flying ones. Most of them just look absurd to me. If you asked a 5 year old to draw a car that Batman would drive he would draw something similar to what you see in Arkham Asylum or what you see in most of the comics.

I used to go for the perfectly shiny car with the batwings as well and was put off by the first pictures of the Tubler & the Batpod when BB and TDK were coming out, but once I saw them in action I just thought they were perfect. Now I long to see them in every medium of Batman bc the others just look silly to me now. I believe its just a more mature design.

I respect your, and the others, opinions I felt the same way at one time. I just can't sit here while others rip on it bc I love it.


Visting the grave site of Thomas and Martha Wayne (either in or out of costume)


Completly agree with this I didn't like how the just made it seem like Bruce had other things to worry about now, they didn't even mention them once in TDK.

[kalle90]

I don't think realism is lame. I hope Nolan won't change his "beliefs" for the last movie. If Tumbler doesn't cut it anymore, Batman should find a better yet as realistic vehicle.

/IMO

Plus I'd still like the bank manager (William Fichtner) from TDK return as some villain. The first scene with "if it doesn't kill you it makes you stranger" is such a clear starting point.

[Old_BenKenobi]

How do you know it doesn't have the traction the Tumbler does?

And look at the thing. Its built to bash down anything and everything in it's path:

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs51/i/2009/284/9/2/Batmobile_by_Chuckdee.jpg

Its got a massive jet engine on the back. Its unstoppable. Its badass.

But the thing is, even if you think the shiny car with the batwings is immature and silly (which it is to a degree, I think), its being driven by a guy dressed up like a bat. No matter what you do to try and draw attention away from that fact, he's still a guy dressed up as a bat. The whole premise of Batman is silly and if it weren't for the great writing he's been blessed to have over the years he'd be a joke. To me the Tumbler is trying too hard to get rid of that aspect of Batman's character. Almost like the filmmakers are embarassed of the fact that at his core Batman is ridiculous. They did this with the damn costume too, making it ugly as sin to make Batman more serious, realistic and to try and hide the ridiculousness rather than accept the fact and work with it.

I mean, would it be a crime if the Tumbler was sleeked up a bit and made to not look so.... crumpled beercan-ish? Really, if they put a sexy body on top of the Tumbler's chassis and kept all the mechanics of it it'd be great. I just hate that they eliminated the visual appeal of the thing when both comic books and film are mediums focused around the visuals. I also think the Batmobile has been doing just fine for 70 years and if it aint broke don't fix it.

[Matches Malone]

That was all well said. The Batmobile obviously changed a bit between concept and in game model. The concept is built with heavier looking metal with rivets and has the reinforced front guard, its a happier medium.

The inspiration for the Tumbler came from the comics, probably just not the ones you wanted.
http://www.mocpages.com/user_images/5162/12474374672_SPLASH.jpg

I agree with you on all your points on realism, but the movies were great and Nolan had to make them his way to make them great. I hope one day we can have a film that is more accurate to the novels but I am glad we didn't get another Batman & Robin.

I have been and always will be holding out for Zac Snyder to direct TDKR.

[Drazar]

Just for argument's sake Matches. Let's remember Batman only wanted to use the Tank-mobile on desperate needs. It wasn't his usual car to use whatsoever.

Now i happen to like the Tumbler, but yeah it was destroyed so i wouldn't mind if Batman 3 had a modified lamborghini or something along those lines. :) Another Tumbler wouldn't ruin anything tho.

[Matches Malone]

Just for argument's sake Matches. Let's remember Batman only wanted to use the Tank-mobile on desperate needs. It wasn't his usual car to use whatsoever.

What makes you say that? He mentions how Dick called it "The Batmobile" there was never a reference to there being another vehicle. I think this was his primary vehicle in the TDKR since he rarely used one, he had his bike for speed and his copter for flying.

[Old_BenKenobi]

That was all well said. The Batmobile obviously changed a bit between concept and in game model. The concept is built with heavier looking metal with rivets and has the reinforced front guard, its a happier medium.

The inspiration for the Tumbler came from the comics, probably just not the ones you wanted.
http://www.mocpages.com/user_images/5162/12474374672_SPLASH.jpg

I agree with you on all your points on realism, but the movies were great and Nolan had to make them his way to make them great. I hope one day we can have a film that is more accurate to the novels but I am glad we didn't get another Batman & Robin.

I have been and always will be holding out for Zac Snyder to direct TDKR.

The Dark Knight Returns is my favourite Batman comic and I'd love to see Snyder take a crack at it. :p

But I think the big bad mofo of a Batmobile fit the big bad mofo of a Batman that book had. Batamn was an old guy, he was past the days of rippin around in little sports things.

And for all my slagging on Nolan, I am grateful that we got the movies we got rather than more Schumacher movies.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

What if he doesnt have a or...like he didnt have a house...or a real batcave in TDK

[Drazar]

What makes you say that? He mentions how Dick called it "The Batmobile" there was never a reference to there being another vehicle. I think this was his primary vehicle in the TDKR since he rarely used one, he had his bike for speed and his copter for flying.

Hmm the "usual car" was a bad word from my part. :( Since as you point out he uses the Motorbike for speed, wheres the Batmobile had been modified to endure riots and whatnot. I mean i could now argue how he actually had a flying batmobile in TDKSA and whatnot, but yeah i shouldn't had said "usual car" but "usual transport".

Still he only uses the Batmobile because he needed the endurence, we saw how slow it was. :p Ye tthe Begins tumbler is much less enduring but like triple the speed.

@Sequel Hunter: Well Bronze Age Batman (Denis O'Neill + Neal Adams Batman) lived in a penthouse and whatnot. Again this is the whole progression on Batman. He started out the "cave" using the bigger rooms of Wayne manor, but then when he realized he practically had no space, he figured on using the caves. :)

[Dark Knight Detective]

But yea Matches I was meaning to say about the reasoning behind revisiting the grave site as a reminder to himself and the audience as to why he goes out every night and does what he does.

But again it doesn't have to be the graves, Crime Alley would work just as well I guess.

http://i618.photobucket.com/albums/tt261/Wi11666/LongHalloween-Chap09-000.jpg

Just a extra wee picture to back up my claim of needing a revisting the grave.

[ThePhantomStranger]

You know in all honesty I feel Batman is one of the few comic book characters that can take the strain of being realistic with barely any suspension of disbleif and it would be a shame not to take advantage of that. Now I agree that a batman based in the same realism as ironman would be nice I for one can wait till Nolan finishes his take on Batman.

Also on the subject of the bat-tank it was what was on hand at the time and judging from Fox and Wayne building in the Bat-pod I have no doubt that a sleeker and realistic batmobile can be done...yet could he not simply use the bat-pod? what would be the reason for him to change his mode of transport?

[Matches Malone]

I love Nolan's movies, but I too am excited for him to wrap it up and let someone else take the reigns with a more comic accurate tone.

On the Batpod, I certainly wouldn't mind if thats all he used in the 3rd movie. I freakin' love that thing. I'll never forget the first time it exploded from the Tumbler. Up until that point I thought it was silly looking and didn't understand their design choice. But when it popped out I screamed in my mind "WHY DIDN'T I THINK OF THAT!!" for some reason it never occurred to me that it would pop out of the Tumbler, even though the name makes it painfully obvious.

Then I listened to Kevin Smith's interview and he said almost exactly the same thing.

[EliteF50]

Honestly, I just can't wait until a new director takes over. One that isn't so worried about realism.

[batfan08]

Honestly,DC should take notes from Marvel,I want a proper,comic accurate Justice League movie.

[Dark Knight Detective]

Just keep Batman out of it. Batman in space fighting, bug eyed monsters doesn't really make much sense I find. Leave him flying solo.

[Old_BenKenobi]

I like to think that there are three kinds of Batman:

1) Dark Detective Batman, who relys more on his mind and body than on technology and is much more down to earth. TAS series Batman, basically.

2) Superhero Batman, who fights all these monsters in space and all that stuff.

3) Brave and the Bold Batman.... Because hes awesome.

[DropkickDisco]

Honestly, I just can't wait until a new director takes over. One that isn't so worried about realism.

This.

I respect fans of Nolan's work, but I only felt that Batman Begins was decent and, to me, The Dark Knight was just OK. I dislike everything from his style of directing to how he handles the flow of a story, but other fans love it and I'm perfectly fine with that. :)

[angleslam99]

Just keep Batman out of it. Batman in space fighting, bug eyed monsters doesn't really make much sense I find. Leave him flying solo.

I can somewhat agree. But you have to realize that he is a superhero that is apart of a bigger organization of superheroes. Now that doesn't mean we have to see him in space fighting aliens, leave that to those who can handle space terrain like Superman and the Green Lantern. But on Earth there are situations that do call upon the likes of the Justice League.

[Matches Malone]

I believe many Batman stories are written independent of the Justice League and other heroes, as the movies are. Acknowledging the JL and other heroes is not necessary at all and it makes for better/grittier Batman stories when you don't IMO, unless you're Frank Miller he always works in other heroes and the JL in interesting ways, especially in All Star B&R.

[EliteF50]

This.

I respect fans of Nolan's work, but I only felt that Batman Begins was decent and, to me, The Dark Knight was just OK. I dislike everything from his style of directing to how he handles the flow of a story, but other fans love it and I'm perfectly fine with that. :)

I agree completely.

[mwkcope]

Modified Lamborghini could do the trick. Something like this, for example. (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yWjfmSMdvSo/SCe5WIH1l9I/AAAAAAAAANA/eZUkyqkKTpk/s1600-h/BM_676.08_09.jpg)

Oookaay,that is the WORST drawing of a batmobile I've ever seen.

[EliteF50]

Oookaay,that is the WORST drawing of a batmobile I've ever seen.

Really? I love that Batmobile.

[mwkcope]

Idk,maybe I just prefer Batmobiles like the game.:rolleyes:

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

Idk,maybe I just prefer Batmobiles like the game.:rolleyes:

Same here, tho i love the tumblar equally

[Matches Malone]

Oookaay,that is the WORST drawing of a batmobile I've ever seen.

Not anymore!
http://www.comicbookbrain.com/_imagery/_2009_01_24/Bat-Mobile.jpg

[freeze131]

Just keep Batman out of it. Batman in space fighting, bug eyed monsters doesn't really make much sense I find. Leave him flying solo.
It depends how they portray Batman. I agree if he enters Justice League's frontline fighting those monsters, he would seem pretty out of place.
I reckon the Justice League animated series did a brilliant job of staying true to the character and making him a significant member of the justice league.

Perhaps the Movie could take some notes from that.

[mwkcope]

Not anymore!
http://www.comicbookbrain.com/_imagery/_2009_01_24/Bat-Mobile.jpg

:scratch: How could there be such a terrible design for a vehicle?

[Drazar]

It depends how they portray Batman. I agree if he enters Justice League's frontline fighting those monsters, he would seem pretty out of place.
I reckon the Justice League animated series did a brilliant job of staying true to the character and making him a significant member of the justice league.

Perhaps the Movie could take some notes from that.

No. They need to stay away from Bruce Timm's fan wankery on JL/JLU when it came to Batman. Batman was fightning front lines, and the creative team made Superman, John Stewart and others look easily very inferiour to Green Arrow, Batman and other non-powered characters.

Theres a very good reason why Bruce Timm even apologized and made Superman beat Captain Marvel and Darkseid. He was trying to please the fans for the mistakes he did earlier seasons.

[freeze131]

No. They need to stay away from Bruce Timm's fan wankery on JL/JLU when it came to Batman. Batman was fightning front lines, and the creative team made Superman, John Stewart and others look easily very inferiour to Green Arrow, Batman and other non-powered characters.

Theres a very good reason why Bruce Timm even apologized and made Superman beat Captain Marvel and Darkseid. He was trying to please the fans for the mistakes he did earlier seasons.

Well I haven't watched JLU, JL wasn't bad though

[ICK14]

Okay, I'm going to reply to this forum as a whole. You can agree or disagree with me on anything, but this is how I feel about everybody's conversations.

1) I love what Nolan is doing with his Batman series. I agree that its WAY too realistic which doesn't fit the comic books at all. But the whole psychology of the characters are 100% perfect which is why I love what he's doing with the series.

2) I do like the classic Burton's Batmobile and all the comics renditions, but..... The Tumbler is freaking AWESOME! I use to think the same things that some people are saying. Like, "The tumbler is too bulky and ugly" etc. But I realized that its perfect when I saw Batman Begins, and it was even better in The Dark Knight. Especially when the Bat Pod blew out of Tumbler. That BLEW MY MIND!

3) I love everything about the Justice League and Justice League Unlimited, especially the Cadmus saga. Thats probably my favorite super hero story that I've ever seen/read before. It was just very well put together and epic. The fact that Bruce Timm apologized for anything about that series makes me sad.

Eh, I think there are more interesting things going on in 2012 to be honest. Marvel's Avengers project will finally come to a head and Superman gets a reboot.

4) The day you convince me that something of the likes of the Avengers, of all things, is more INTERESTING than Batman is the day when George W. Bush becomes president again. Hell, maybe that will happen which will be the reason why the world is ending.

Those are just my thoughts. I'm very excited for 2012 now after I saw all the movies that are coming out!

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

4) The day you convince me that something of the likes of the Avengers, of all things, is more INTERESTING than Batman is the day when George W. Bush becomes president again. Hell, maybe that will happen which will be the reason why the world is ending.

Those are just my thoughts. I'm very excited for 2012 now after I saw all the movies that are coming out!

Um George W Bush coming back would be somthing to look foward too!



I havnt read too many comics since there arnt many around where i lives, but i think TDK is wonderful, yea a little realistic but hey its a movie! And i think it would be great not to do tie ins for now and ditch the alians, we have too many aliens movies

[Drazar]

If i'm going to see a single Avengers or Political comment below my post, it's an infraction for thread derailment. Do not bring political arguments here whatsoever, and keep Marvel movies where they belong: The Community Chat.

Well I haven't watched JLU, JL wasn't bad though

The shows aren't bad, but using them as a premise for the movies is a poor choice compared to the best source material: Comics. :)

@Sequel Hunter: Nolan is using The Long Halloween as a premise for his movies. I do believe you have read that one. :)

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

@Sequel Hunter: Nolan is using The Long Halloween as a premise for his movies. I do believe you have read that one. :)

i figured that out as i was reading it. With the mob bosses and two face killing them off. The part where all the of them were on the building top by the signal was like a direct copy.


I believe that Batman 3 if its remotely better than TDK will be the best movie in 2012 (can i say that without getting an infraction??? :confused:)

[freeze131]

i figured that out as i was reading it. With the mob bosses and two face killing them off. The part where all the of them were on the building top by the signal was like a direct copy.


I believe that Batman 3 if its remotely better than TDK will be the best movie in 2012 (can i say that without getting an infraction??? :confused:)

Batman 3's revenue will very likely be the best movie.

[ICK14]

If i'm going to see a single Avengers or Political comment below my post, it's an infraction for thread derailment. Do not bring political arguments here whatsoever, and keep Marvel movies where they belong: The Community Chat.


I apologize. I wasn't meaning to start a political argument, I was just giving an analogy of how nobody will ever convince me that anything Marvel related would be better than Batman. LOL!

Again, sorry.

[Nemesis296]

Apparently, the Joker will not be returning for Batman 3:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/109/1094767p1.html

[freeze131]

Apparently, the Joker will not be returning for Batman 3:

http://movies.ign.com/articles/109/1094767p1.html

Well, I thought it was kinda obvious he won't be returning.

[Nemesis296]

Well, I thought it was kinda obvious he won't be returning.

Why's that? They didn't kill him like in the 1989 Batman...

[freeze131]

Why's that? They didn't kill him like in the 1989 Batman...
They weren't ever going to replace Heath.

[Nemesis296]

They weren't ever going to replace Heath.

See, I don't necessarily agree with that. While I think the Dark Knight was a terrific movie, Heath Ledger's role as the Joker is *not* irreplaceable. Just because Heath died after making the movie does not lock down this role in history. Granted it's my opinion, but a movie role can be played by anyone if the right choice came along. While I do think it's a smart move to not have the Joker in Batman 3, I don't believe it was implied or obvious as you stated.

...just look at Iron Man 2. Don Cheadle replaced Terrence Howard as Col. Rhodes. Just saying it happens sometimes. The fact that Ledger died should not make him an exception to this.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

I would think Depp could replace ledger since they look the same and johnny is a great actor for weird roles. I would hope he has a cameo, somone that big and such a media icon shouldnt just be locked away!

[Drazar]

You people are forgetting the idea that Nolan feels uncomfortable about this, infact thats exactly what it is in the Empire interview. He just said "No" and talked how he isn't fond of discussing this. Nolans and Goyer already have their villains chosen and they're finishing the screen play.

[Riddling Artist]

You people are forgetting the idea that Nolan feels uncomfortable about this, infact thats exactly what it is in the Empire interview. He just said "No" and talked how he isn't fond of discussing this. Nolans and Goyer already have their villains chosen and they're finishing the screen play.

Yeah. i sure wouldn't feel right just replacing this guy i got to know really well. Don't they also know how theyre going to finish the series?

[Zur-en-ah]

the villains in the next movie are gonna be Riddler and Catwoman ... betcha

(and no way should someone else come in and try to copy Ledger's Joker ... that would be pretty disrespectful and I don't think there's a decent actor or director that would be happy doin it ... if anything, they could use or edit unused footage of Ledger's Joker from TDK - like they did with Olly Reed in Gladiator)

[Nemesis296]

(and no way should someone else come in and try to copy Ledger's Joker ... that would be pretty disrespectful and I don't think there's a decent actor or director that would be happy doin it ... if anything, they could use or edit unused footage of Ledger's Joker from TDK - like they did with Olly Reed in Gladiator)

So you're saying that no one can replace Christopher Reeve either? I'm sorry but an actor cannot *own* a role. There can be people who can play the role, but in some cases those actors just don't make the cut. That doesn't mean however that if one was found that it would be "disrespectful" for that actor to portray the same character.

[thebatman226]

I think he's saying that it'd be disrespectful for someone to imitate ledger in Nolan's 3rd movie, not ever again in other movies. And I believe he's right.

[angleslam99]

Once Batman 3 ends, I can't wait to see how they reboot it again

[freeze131]

I think he's saying that it'd be disrespectful for someone to imitate ledger in Nolan's 3rd movie, not ever again in other movies. And I believe he's right.
This.

Nolan just doesn't want to replace Heath in HIS franchise. Christopher Reeve I believe was irreplaceable in HIS franchise. Jack Nicholson was irreplaceable in HIS franchise.
But a new franchise spawns a new set of themes, setting and plot - which allows room for multiple takes on one character.

[Drazar]

Yeah Freeze just hit the nail. I don't see why it's such a big deal that Joker won't be in the 3rd movie. Once Nolan is done, the new director is all free to give his take on the Joker or any other character. Nolan doesn't wanna re-cast the Joker in his 3rd movie, but that doesn't mean noone else won't post-Nolan.

[JawsFanJesse]

Whats Funny is that my friend says that nolan's batman movies should die along with "one of the greatest actor who ever lived" I said are you serious ? Why do people say that ? BUT thank goodness there is a 3rd Batman movie with or without Joker!

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

I hope he gets some mention at least.

[Prince Daka]

People need to stop praising Heath Ledger as the best actor ever. People saying that obviously don't know much about film history. He was in a couple of good movies, & he was a capable actor. Playing "The Joker" isn't rocket science though, & Cesar Romero (who played Joker in '66) even said that playing the Joker was easy (& yes I know Ledger put a lot of his own ideas into TDK Joker - but who wouldn't do the same in his shoes?). The point is Nolan just doesn't want to recast yet another important character in his series. He already did that with Rachel, & to do it again would cheapen the series. As far as a character reference, that may or may not happen, but if it doesn't please don't use it as an excuse to bash the film. Nobody bashed TDK for not once mentioning Ra's al Ghul.

[Matches Malone]

Ra's isn't as essential to the Batman universe as Joker is though. It's a common theme in the novels, Joker is almost always there in some shape or form.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

People need to stop praising Heath Ledger as the best actor ever. People saying that obviously don't know much about film history. He was in a couple of good movies, & he was a capable actor. Playing "The Joker" isn't rocket science though, & Cesar Romero (who played Joker in '66) even said that playing the Joker was easy (& yes I know Ledger put a lot of his own ideas into TDK Joker - but who wouldn't do the same in his shoes?). The point is Nolan just doesn't want to recast yet another important character in his series. He already did that with Rachel, & to do it again would cheapen the series. As far as a character reference, that may or may not happen, but if it doesn't please don't use it as an excuse to bash the film. Nobody bashed TDK for not once mentioning Ra's al Ghul.

Few here have said he is the best actor ever. But you must give him credit he put pretty much everything into that role, and he made a character that will be remember for many years to come, untill some one else does better. There is no way to determine the best actor, its based off opinions. And not many could play the role of the joker, and even fewer could do as well as he did. And yet only a handful could probably do it better. the Heath Ledger Joker has become somewhat of an icon not just to Batman fans but to movie go-ers in general.

[Prince Daka]

Ra's isn't as essential to the Batman universe as Joker is though. It's a common theme in the novels, Joker is almost always there in some shape or form.

Joker only became essential when he became a popular fan favorite. He isn't actually essential to make a Batman story. Batman has swore to war on crime, so really any criminal archetype can fit the bill as his enemy. Batman's rogue gallery has been run too much like a popularity contest for awhile now though.

[Prince Daka]

Few here have said he is the best actor ever. But you must give him credit he put pretty much everything into that role, and he made a character that will be remember for many years to come, untill some one else does better. There is no way to determine the best actor, its based off opinions. And not many could play the role of the joker, and even fewer could do as well as he did. And yet only a handful could probably do it better. the Heath Ledger Joker has become somewhat of an icon not just to Batman fans but to movie go-ers in general.

1) Few here have said he is one of the best actors ever, & few is enough considering how many people post here nowadays. The fact is he had too much of a short-lived career to have him evaluated so highly.

2) Joker was already a popular character & has been for decades. Had anyone else played the role Joker would have gotten a spike in popularity anyway. Fact is, as I recall, when the actor who was going to play Joker was announced most people didn't know who Heath Ledger was & were disappointed the studio didn't get a bigger name actor. Then when he tragically died people were suddenly really interested in checking out Heath's Joker.

3) Many people have played the role of the Joker & there are plenty of male actors today who could have done just as good a job maybe even better. Heath's filmography wasn't all that extensive & I'm sure someone with more experience could've topped him... but this is very hypothetical anyway.

4) Sure, people like you make Heath Ledger's Joker to be an icon, but there will be people like me who don't see things the same way.

[EliteF50]

See, I don't necessarily agree with that. While I think the Dark Knight was a terrific movie, Heath Ledger's role as the Joker is *not* irreplaceable. Just because Heath died after making the movie does not lock down this role in history. Granted it's my opinion, but a movie role can be played by anyone if the right choice came along. While I do think it's a smart move to not have the Joker in Batman 3, I don't believe it was implied or obvious as you stated.

...just look at Iron Man 2. Don Cheadle replaced Cuba Gooding Jr as Col. Rhodes. Just saying it happens sometimes. The fact that Ledger died should not make him an exception to this.

Lol, Cuba didn't play Rhodes in the first Iron Man, Terrance Howard did.

[Matches Malone]

Joker only became essential when he became a popular fan favorite. He isn't actually essential to make a Batman story. Batman has swore to war on crime, so really any criminal archetype can fit the bill as his enemy. Batman's rogue gallery has been run too much like a popularity contest for awhile now though.

I simply said Joker was more essential than Ra's. Nobody is essential to a Batman story besides Batman. Though every time I read a novel, even if Joker isn't the main/side villain, I expect/hope to hear mention of him, see him in his cell, or have some brief nod to the character. He is the tumor in Bruce's head, one that is fatal to remove, the physical embodiment of Gotham's evil. I don't really see him as part of the "rogue's gallery" to me he is as essential as Alfred and Gordon. Not saying I won't enjoy a story that doesn't have him it, but I will enjoy it that much more if he is.

[puppet627]

I don't know if this is old but I found this..

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a224592/joseph-gordon-levitt-to-join-batman-3.html

I hope not.
I would like Johnny Depp as the Riddler, he and Christian Bale have worked together and I don't care what people sale, he's a great actor (:
IMO they should use Black Mask, Deadshot and/or the Riddler.

*edits*
By the way, with all due respect to Heath Ledger, he wasn't the best Joker, Mark Hamill is/was.
(:

[ICK14]

I don't know if this is old but I found this..

IMO they should use Black Mask, Deadshot and/or the Riddler.

*edits*
By the way, with all due respect to Heath Ledger, he wasn't the best Joker, Mark Hamill is/was.
(:

I keep forgetting about Deadshot. He would be really kool to have in a movie. But I'm really pulling for Bane being the villain. I think if Nolan did a take on Knightfall, that'd be sweet.

And I agree 100% that Mark Hamill is the best Joker. I think that pretty much everyone in the cast of the animated series can't be beat.

[freeze131]

I don't know if this is old but I found this..

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/movies/news/a224592/joseph-gordon-levitt-to-join-batman-3.html

I hope not.
I would like Johnny Depp as the Riddler, he and Christian Bale have worked together and I don't care what people sale, he's a great actor (:
IMO they should use Black Mask, Deadshot and/or the Riddler.

*edits*
By the way, with all due respect to Heath Ledger, he wasn't the best Joker, Mark Hamill is/was.
(:

Isn't that the guy of 500 days of summer? He doesn't look suited for the role of the Riddler at all...

[Zur-en-ah]

I think he's saying that it'd be disrespectful for someone to imitate ledger in Nolan's 3rd movie, not ever again in other movies. And I believe he's right.

thank you!

and for the record, I'm not saying that no actor should ever play the role of the Joker again ... but for the 3rd of Nolan's films, it would be wrong in so many ways

and also, I don't think ANYONE said that Ledger was the best actor ever ... but he was a damn good one and his last major role was in DKR ... and he OWNED that part, was arguably the best thing in that film, pleased fanyboys and non-fanboys alike and got an Oscar for it too

pretty much says it all I reckon ... case closed!

[Nemesis296]

Lol, Cuba didn't play Rhodes in the first Iron Man, Terrance Howard did.

Oh oops, whatever :lol:

Few here have said he is the best actor ever. But you must give him credit he put pretty much everything into that role, and he made a character that will be remember for many years to come, untill some one else does better. There is no way to determine the best actor, its based off opinions. And not many could play the role of the joker, and even fewer could do as well as he did. And yet only a handful could probably do it better. the Heath Ledger Joker has become somewhat of an icon not just to Batman fans but to movie go-ers in general.

Regardless of whether or not people have said *ever* that he is the best actor ever, you have to admit that there is a little too much "fondness" of Ledger's performance in the Dark Knight. They act like he is one of those icons that no one should ever forget. The *only* reason why there is so much hype surrounding him was because of his death. I'm not saying that he didn't do a good job, it was a great performance, but I don't think it was on caliber where people are saying "The Joker should be retired in Ledger's honor." (Don't believe (http://www.theultimatejoker.com/) me?) As terrible as it sounds, making the Joker disappear from Batman movies in the future (for any director) because of Ledger's performance is one of the most ridiculous ideas in the movie industry.

Heath Ledger was a decent actor. But by no means is he worthy of owning a role he played in a movie, even if it was a Batman movie.

[Zur-en-ah]

careful with that link, folks ... it totally scuppered my browser when I tried to click it!

[Nemesis296]

careful with that link, folks ... it totally scuppered my browser when I tried to click it!

I hope that's a joke...:lol:

[Zur-en-ah]

I hope that's a joke...:lol:

not at all mate, I'm being genuine ... the link sent my browser crazy

[Nemesis296]

not at all mate, I'm being genuine ... the link sent my browser crazy

Weird, maybe it's your computer, mine worked just fine :)

EDIT: Just so everyone knows, I would never post a link that I didn't goto myself. It's just a fan-site where people signed a petition (over 50,000 people) stating they want the Joker's character retired from any future Batman movies made by any director.

[Drazar]

Well Nemesis people pretty much agree with you that the Joker shouldn't be removed from the film series. It's just better for Nolan's own fondness of the Batman serie to have another villain, then recasting a character *his* friend played and *died*.

I mean he's excited to conclude the story, he has the villains and he has the ending. Once he's done a new director can bring forth a new vision of the Joker that will enchance the audiance and drive them bats!

[door noob]

No offence to aanyone, but that's really ignorant. I get the whole preserving Heath's performance and everything, but there will come a day were we will just have to move on, seriously.

[Nemesis296]

Well Nemesis people pretty much agree with you that the Joker shouldn't be removed from the film series. It's just better for Nolan's own fondness of the Batman serie to have another villain, then recasting a character *his* friend played and *died*.

I mean he's excited to conclude the story, he has the villains and he has the ending. Once he's done a new director can bring forth a new vision of the Joker that will enchance the audiance and drive them bats!

Yep, agreed Drazar. Like I was saying, my quip was mainly about the fact that people feel that Ledger now owns the Joker's role (not saying that ALL people do). I'm fine with the decision to leave him out of Batman 3 as it doesn't seem right. What I just don't want to see happen is another director 5 years from now comes up with a Joker story for a Batman movie, and people will put it to shame because it's missing Ledger. I personally do not believe that he was that good of an actor. (I know I've stated this many times as well :rolleyes:)

[TheBrandon]

Interesting article about the Riddler role in the next movie:

http://geeksofdoom.com/2010/06/10/rumor-for-your-thoughts-batman-3-to-grab-joseph-gordon-levitt-for-the-riddler/

[Matches Malone]

He is too young IMO, and it may be bc of his past roles but he just always has this look of vulnerability & insecurity, which doesn't bode well for playing the Riddler.

[SammiiDoogles]

Interesting article about the Riddler role in the next movie:

http://geeksofdoom.com/2010/06/10/rumor-for-your-thoughts-batman-3-to-grab-joseph-gordon-levitt-for-the-riddler/

I always thought he looked a lot like Heath, I know this is a pretty far fetched idea but maybe if he is in the movie at all I think it would be good for him to appear as the Joker, even if it's just a cameo or something to show what happens to him.

I don't think I could see him as the Riddler though.
http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/128874806770315975.jpg

[JawsFanJesse]

^ Thats What I said when I saw his pic! He looks like his brother!

[freeze131]

I always thought he looked a lot like Heath, I know this is a pretty far fetched idea but maybe if he is in the movie at all I think it would be good for him to appear as the Joker, even if it's just a cameo or something to show what happens to him.

I don't think I could see him as the Riddler though.
http://totallylookslike.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/128874806770315975.jpg
Wow, that's freaky. They really do look alike.

Sadly, Nolan has confirmed the Joker will not return. :(

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

What if Heath ledger never really died and all this is a scam???

[door noob]

Wow, that's freaky. They really do look alike.

Sadly, Nolan has confirmed the Joker will not return. :(

I hope they will at leaast mention him or provide reference about him.

[mwkcope]

What if Heath ledger never really died and all this is a scam???

:eek:

[freeze131]

I hope they will at leaast mention him or provide reference about him.
I think they will, for the story's sake.

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

I think they will, for the story's sake.

At least a news reel of him getting caught

[mwkcope]

Will that be possible?

[JackWinz]

They say that there is archived footage of Joker in arkham, they shot it for TDK and did not use it... I wonder if it it's true... Maybe they could make use of that.

[mwkcope]

Where did you hear about that?

[JackWinz]

Don't remember, it seems to me I remember reading it in more than one place though..

[Batman The Trailer Hunter]

I read somewhere that 2 face was supposed to put Joker on trial in the 3rd movie but i guess that changed since they both are dead

[JackWinz]

i guess that changed since they both are dead

OH SNAP!!


(But seriously, that'd be epic)