DVD Limitations.. & Hard Drive Optimization.. [Archive]

Enkeixpress

02-19-2010, 05:29 AM

Can somebody explain to me how Avalaunche Studios have been able to fit a world of of that size into one DVD disc..? :lol:

I'm still baffled by the fact that they've already achieved it with the first Just Cause ... but to be able to add *even more* content into the mix with this one.. is just extraordinary.. :hmm:

Another matter I'd like to know about would be if the 360's "install to hard drive" will be taken into consideration this time 'round..?

Let's face it, if some consumers have a hard drive equipped on their 360s then.. the game should recognise that & adjust itself accordingly to deliver better performance & smoother gameplay, right? Right. :):thumb:

So we can only hope that Avalanche Studios have indeed recognised that some 360 owners have hard drives on their 360s & have made JC2 so that when we have the game installed.. we'll be getting a much more optimized experience. :)

Big Isy

02-19-2010, 05:33 AM

GeorgeRobo

02-19-2010, 05:35 AM

Well I'm sure they've thought of how to fit it on to a DVD. I guess the PS3 has no problem due to Blu-Ray.

And I doubt people who install it on to the HD will have better performance because that would alienate loads of people who might not have a big enough HD.

Poor Bison

02-19-2010, 05:37 AM

Most if not all games that are released nowadays tend to use HDD installations as a means to optimize their games. Avalanche Studios wouldn't be any different.That said, the lack of a HDD on some 360 consoles is the reason behind the decision to not have the replay record feature on the 360 version of the game. Arcade users would be getting screwed in a sense.

As for fitting the game onto one disc, their game engine is just bloody good.Not really. It is only on the PS3 version because that feature in particular is inbuilt into the PS3. The developer can simply chose to enable or disable the feature.

If they were to put it on Xbox, they would need to construct and test an entirely new recording engine, wherein with the PS3 they can simply use the existing one with the console.

And yeah, their engine is fantastic. Alot of the world will be procedurally generated (such as tree placement). Plus with a dual-layer DVD they have 9GB of space to compress data into, which should prove to be enough. I don't know of any games yet that have managed to totally fill up an Xbox 360 game DVD.

HHDnBKing!

02-19-2010, 05:44 AM

I don't know of any games yet that have managed to totally fill up an Xbox 360 game DVD.

Or a Multi-platform game that even scratches the surface of the all-mighty 50GB Blu-Ray Disc ;) (No Enki, this isn't to start another gay console war)

Big Isy

02-19-2010, 05:47 AM

Seriously? That's pretty incredible, I'm surprised more games on the PS3 don't use that feature. That said, I'm sure the HDD on every console helped in the decision too :)

NEREVAR117

02-19-2010, 06:07 AM

Even if it's not optimized for HDD installation, it will still pose a mild advantage when it comes to loading and less heat being produced. :D

Most if not all games that are released nowadays tend to use HDD installations as a means to optimize their games. Avalanche Studios wouldn't be any different.That said, the lack of a HDD on some 360 consoles is the reason behind the decision to not have the replay record feature on the 360 version of the game. Arcade users would be getting screwed in a sense.

As for fitting the game onto one disc, their game engine is just bloody good.

That makes no sense. Sorry.

Also, what games are optimized for HDD Installation?

Not really. It is only on the PS3 version because that feature in particular is inbuilt into the PS3. The developer can simply chose to enable or disable the feature.

If they were to put it on Xbox, they would need to construct and test an entirely new recording engine, wherein with the PS3 they can simply use the existing one with the console.

And yeah, their engine is fantastic. Alot of the world will be procedurally generated (such as tree placement). Plus with a dual-layer DVD they have 9GB of space to compress data into, which should prove to be enough. I don't know of any games yet that have managed to totally fill up an Xbox 360 game DVD.

Actually, the XBox 360's media storage is locked at a little less then 7GB.

Enkeixpress

02-19-2010, 06:19 AM

That makes no sense. Sorry.

Of course it makes sense.. Where is the recorded data going to be uploaded to? :lol:

Also gotta' remember, The PS3 version of JC2 records at all times..

NEREVAR117

02-19-2010, 06:22 AM

Of course it makes sense.. Where is the recorded data going to be uploaded to? :lol:

Also gotta' remember, The PS3 version of JC2 records at all times..

It just doesn't get recoded. Simple, right? Arcade users knew what they were getting themselves into when they bought the cheaper system, why should they hold back options of others? Completely ridiculous.

That, is why it's silly.

The 360 most likely does not have the feature because it's simply not prominent on the system. Whilst on the PS3 I know there are other games that have recording functions.

Enkeixpress

02-19-2010, 06:26 AM

Arcade users knew what they were getting themselves into when they bought the cheaper system, why should they hold back options of others? Completely ridiculous.

That, is why it's silly.

Uh-huh *nods* ... I agree. :)

I bought my Xbox 360 Elite because it comes with a 120gb hard drive.. Obviously I thought that it would come in handy for putting all my pirated .avi files on there but... :(

I don't see why they should hold my console back ... at least give it the option to show what it can do. :scratch:

It's nice that I am able to install 360 games to the hard drive in order to keep the 360's noise down & everything.. But I'd really like for devs or Avalaunche Studios to harness this feature & make it even more useful. Just installing Just Cause 2 to the hard drive isn't going to make a difference except to remove some limitations that reading from the DVD causes.. like late textures appearing or pop-in.. I know that.

Generalkillgore

02-19-2010, 06:28 AM

Also, what games are optimized for HDD Installation?

Well for example, Halo 3 is one game that is optimised for HDD installation.

See this picture (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/2/926632_70337_back.jpg) of the back of the Halo 3 box, near the bottom it says:
"optimised for hard drive"
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1259/optimised.jpg

Note: the Halo 3: ODST box also shows this on the back:
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/1/954261_125822_back.jpg

JustBecause_2010

02-19-2010, 06:29 AM

Not really. It is only on the PS3 version because that feature in particular is inbuilt into the PS3. The developer can simply chose to enable or disable the feature.

If they were to put it on Xbox, they would need to construct and test an entirely new recording engine, wherein with the PS3 they can simply use the existing one with the console.

And yeah, their engine is fantastic. Alot of the world will be procedurally generated (such as tree placement). Plus with a dual-layer DVD they have 9GB of space to compress data into, which should prove to be enough. I don't know of any games yet that have managed to totally fill up an Xbox 360 game DVD.

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/107/1070312p1.html

Enkeixpress

02-19-2010, 06:32 AM

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/107/1070312p1.html

This.

... My 360 Elite's 120gb hard drive would come in very handy for situations like this.. so why are they holding it back? :confused:

At least give the option for hard drive users if they would like the content..! :(

Generalkillgore

02-19-2010, 06:46 AM

This.

... My 360 Elite's 120gb hard drive would come in very handy for situations like this.. so why are they holding it back? :confused:

At least give the option for hard drive users if they would like the content..! :(

It would be even better for me as I have a 250GB Hard Drive for my Xbox 360 Elite.

Enkeixpress

02-19-2010, 06:47 AM

All jealousy aside.. lol, Yes indeed, It would be better on your system.. if there really was that much content ;)

But, 120gb is enough for me & JC2.. :thumb:

HHDnBKing!

02-19-2010, 06:48 AM

It would be even better for me as I have a 250GB Hard Drive for my Xbox 360 Elite.

It would have been even better for me as I have 500GB Hard Drive for my PS3! :D That is the only reason I dislike Xbox 360 modern day because look Cut 'due to Xbox 360' yeh thanks why don't M$ invest in putting a Blu-Ray drive into the ******* Xbox! :confused:

Generalkillgore

02-19-2010, 06:55 AM

It would have been even better for me as I have 500GB Hard Drive for my PS3! :D That is the only reason I dislike Xbox 360 modern day because look Cut 'due to Xbox 360' yeh thanks why don't M$ invest in putting a Blu-Ray drive into the ******* Xbox! :confused:

I thought the maximum HD space for the PS3 was 250GB?

Enkeixpress

02-19-2010, 06:59 AM

I thought the maximum HD space for the PS3 was 250GB?

Heheh.. He toke the matter into his own hands & put in a hard drive of his own.. :cool:

Click here for more information (http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6176090/index.html) :)

HHDnBKing!

02-19-2010, 07:08 AM

Heheh.. He toke the matter into his own hands & put in a hard drive of his own.. :cool:

Click here for more information (http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6176090/index.html) :)

Yeeep, only £60 so never have to worry about taking up too much space again ;)

NEREVAR117

02-19-2010, 07:12 AM

Well for example, Halo 3 is one game that is optimised for HDD installation.

See this picture (http://image.com.com/gamespot/images/bigboxshots/2/926632_70337_back.jpg) of the back of the Halo 3 box, near the bottom it says:
"optimised for hard drive"
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/1259/optimised.jpg

That's for users with HDD's, not when it's installed. The game is actually less efficient when installed. Proof (http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=news&cid=16252)

As far as I'm aware, not game currently takes direct advantage of HDD installations. Which is a shame because free-roam and open world games would be the ones to benefit from it the most.

Enkeixpress

02-19-2010, 07:16 AM

That's for users with HDD's, not when it's installed. The game is actually less efficient when installed. Proof (http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=news&cid=16252)

As far as I'm aware, not game currently takes direct advantage of HDD installations. Which is a shame because free-roam and open world games would be the ones to benefit from it the most.

I think he meant to say: Halo 3: ODST

Halo 3 is not optimized for HDD install.. Nope. Halo 3: ODST however, Is. ;)

NEREVAR117

02-19-2010, 07:20 AM

I think he meant to say: Halo 3: ODST

Halo 3 is not optimized for HDD install.. Nope. Halo 3: ODST however, Is. ;)

Mind showing em where Bungie stated this?

matonking

02-19-2010, 07:23 AM

I thought the maximum HD space for the PS3 was 250GB?

theres no limit for ps3 hard drive space, only limitation is the space inside the slot required for the 2.5" SATA hard drive

You can quite easily plug in a 2TB+ hard drive into your system, simply by connecting a cable into the hard drive and having it sitting beside the ps3 and not tucked inside!!

Enkeixpress

02-19-2010, 07:23 AM

Mind showing em where Bungie stated this?

Some article from quite a while ago stated it.. Hmmm, where is it.. *searches Google*

.. A-ha! ..Yes .. *clears throat*, Here it is: http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/halo-3-odst-hard-drive.html

:)

NEREVAR117

02-19-2010, 07:24 AM

theres no limit for ps3 hard drive space, only limitation is the space inside the slot required for the 2.5" SATA hard drive

You can quite easily plug in a 2TB+ hard drive into your system, simply by connecting a cable into the hard drive and having it sitting beside the ps3 and not tucked inside!!

I wasn't aware that you could do that. Even 3.5inch HDD's?

Some article from quite a while ago stated it.. Hmmm, where is it.. *searches Google*

.. Aha! ..Yes .. *clears throat*, Here it is: http://www.gamerzines.com/xbox-360/news/halo-3-odst-hard-drive.html

:)

It says the same thing on the back of the Halo 3 case, that sticker doesn't mean anything. I also tried searching for it on Google and found nothing from Bungie.

matonking

02-19-2010, 07:31 AM

I wasn't aware that you could do that. Even 3.5inch HDD's?

It says the same thing on the back of the Halo 3 case, that sticker doesn't mean anything. I also tried searching for it on Google and found nothing from Bungie.

any size hard drive.. any dimensions...if its bigger than 2.5" then it wont fit inside the console, but you can connect it to the ps3 via a cable and have it sitting beside the ps3.. similar to an external hard drive connected to you ps3.

isCxiJ1BTho

At 50s you can see the cables that you just plug into any other hard drive that doesnt fit into the ps3...

NEREVAR117

02-19-2010, 07:35 AM

Very nice, I have a spare 300GB 3.5inch just lying around. I may tinker around with this later. Thanks Mato.

nismo280zx

02-19-2010, 08:12 AM

Unless your xbox uses a form of windows that indexes every file for the games, I'm just not seeing a performance boost except maybe storing the layout of the map or audio libraries or texture libraries.

But due to the limitations of console memory I don't see it making a difference other than a shorter initial load time. And a hard drive is slower than a DVDrom drive, although a hard drive's multiple platters & read/write heads make it a great tool for multitasking